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October 03, 2007

Vincent to team: Quit your whining

Bravo to new coach Sam Vincent for attacking the Charlotte Bobcats’ whiner problem.

Vincent ripped into his players Wednesday night for constantly second-guessing the referees during an intra-squad scrimmage. Vincent told them this complaining will stop, then backed up his point by making them do suicide drills.

I don’t know if Vincent knows this team’s history with officials, but correction was in order.

Last season the Bobcats (particularly Brevin Knight and Gerald Wallace) complained as much as any team in the NBA.

It wasn’t just tiresome, it was counter-productive. More than once I saw players berating referees when they should have been guarding. Worse yet, they destroyed their own credibility. One referee indicated the Bobcats complain so much, the officials simply tune them out.

Vincent’s predecessor, Bernie Bickerstaff, often encouraged this behavior with his own complaining. Bickerstaff was well-intended. He was sticking up for players he thought were being disrespected – but that just reinforced the paranoia.

Vincent sent a simple, emphatic message: You play, they’ll officiate, and everything will work out for the better.

Posted by rbonnell on October 3, 2007 at 10:32 PM | Permalink

Comments

More insight into the departure of Brevin Knight. Bravo indeed Sam Vincent. It's time to bring back a more positive, GAME/TEAM focused approach to basketball. I'm all for cleaning up the whining!!

Posted by: jperry | Oct 3, 2007 11:47:20 PM

More insight into the departure of Brevin Knight. Bravo indeed Sam Vincent. It's time to bring back a more positive, approach to basketball. There was a long needed changing of the guard that could not take place without a departure from Knight/Bernie model of whining/inferiority complex. I honestly think Gerald took his lead from them. Sam was smart to clean the residue from the previous house and create a fresh start, fresh leadership, and a new approach from this standpoint.

Posted by: jperry | Oct 4, 2007 12:05:58 AM

More insight into the departure of Brevin Knight. Bravo indeed Sam Vincent. It's time to bring back a more positive, approach to basketball. There was a long needed changing of the guard that could not take place without a departure from Knight/Bernie model of whining/inferiority complex. I honestly think Gerald took his lead from them. Sam was smart to clean the residue from the previous house and create a fresh start, fresh leadership, and a new approach from this standpoint.

Posted by: jperry | Oct 4, 2007 12:07:03 AM

Sorry for all of the repeat posts. I'm not sure what happened with the computer malfunction.

Posted by: jperry | Oct 4, 2007 12:09:40 AM

Hey... does Sam Vincent know anything about NFL defenses? I know a team that could use a new coordinator.

Posted by: atstinger | Oct 4, 2007 12:17:38 AM

I don't like the tone of this article. We've been getting "expansion calls" for the better part of three years, and the players had a right to complain. Yes, it was perhaps counterproductive, but you should know more than anyone, Rick, how often games have been turned on a non-call on a G-Force drive or a ridiculous foul when somebody like Arenas or Wade went to the hole. The players should indeed make sure they don't lose their focus on the game, but I'd rather they stand up in the face of the refs than just stand idly by while they get screwed by the black and whites.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Oct 4, 2007 12:44:22 AM

And to back my claims, feel free to note the fact that:
a. the only kind of turnover the Bobcats had more of than their opponents in was offensive fouls; b. the Bobcats were charged with 81 more shooting fouls than their opponents (963:882); c. The Bobcats were charged with a STAGGERING 132 more personal fouls than their opponents (727:535); d. in the least subjective foul category (loose ball fouls), the Bobcats were actually whistled 12 LESS times than their opponents.
Perhaps all these things came as a result of proper calls, but even so, those are the kinds of numbers that can wear on players after three years of the same (the numbers are consistent, though you can check for yourself at both: http://www.82games.com/0506/0506CHA3.HTM and http://www.82games.com/0405CHA3.HTM .

Posted by: Michael Procton | Oct 4, 2007 1:14:58 AM

Sam Vincent needs to fight for his team on the sideline WHEN THEY ARE LEGITIMATELY WRONGED. There is a difference between that and the constant back and forth that BB and BK (and later GW) had with refs that was characterized as "whining." It's because that is what it looked like. No one is saying don't advocate for yourself, but there were some tired tantrums and whining spells that only further underminded our credibility.

The Bobcats no doubt have gotten "expansion called" games from the referees. The problem is the approach that certain players/leaders took that FURTHER adversely affected the team. There was a tone set at the top that trickled down and I am glad that Sam is cleaning it up. That does not mean that players with credibility should not ever talk with the refs, however, the approach needs to deviate from the unsuccessful one that we have had the last few years that has at times had a distractful and cancerous effect on the team.

Posted by: jperry | Oct 4, 2007 1:39:29 AM

Hi Rick,

I'm really keen on looking at the Bobcats for the new season. My personal attention goes to Walter HERRMANN.

He was probably the Bobcats best player over the last few months. I believe if he was used more during the starting of the season, the Bobcats would have probably made it to the play offs.

Posted by: John | Oct 4, 2007 6:05:04 AM

Not much of a surprise that the Bobs were whistled more often than their opponents; they were a losing team! 132 more PFs is not that shocking when you spread it across 80 games and consider how bad this team was the past few years. It's one thing to be screwed by the refs on a call here and there, but when you are consistently committing more fouls it's going to show up in the stats. That goes back to playing smart, fundamentally sound defense; the refs can't control how good the players are.

Posted by: T. | Oct 4, 2007 11:13:56 AM

Emeka Okafor and Gerald Wallace are two of the best defensive players in the league, and neither gets respect from the refs.

It's particularly bad with Okafor, seeing as how he's one of the best low post defensive presences in the league. Everytime someone drives on him, he shouldn't be called for a defensive foul, which was exactly what happened a few games last year, which caused him to pick up two quick fouls and sit out most of the 1st and 2nd quarters.

Posted by: Will | Oct 4, 2007 11:34:16 AM

Centers and forwards usually draw fouls on drives, which occur when a guard gets beaten off the dribble. Take a look at the guards on the roster and it's not that hard to figure out why Wallace and Okafor pick up fouls early and often.

It's one thing to say a certain ref is bad. But you are suggesting that EVERY ref has it out for the Bobcats specifically, which is pretty hard to believe. It's much more likely that they just don't play good defense.

Posted by: T. | Oct 4, 2007 4:14:46 PM

I wasn't suggesting that the refs have a specific agenda against the Bobcats, just that stats show that the subjective foul calls have specifically gone against them over the course of the team's history. It's not even that the refs have to decide before the game starts that they're going to call it one way, but when it's a new team with a relatively low level of star power (regardless of the talent level), calls haven't gone our way. Hopefully, Jason Richardson will garner the kind of calls an All-Star (which the Bobcats have never had before) deserves, and we'll finally know what it's like to get the benefit of the doubt when OUR guy gets bumped off his route on the path to the rim.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Oct 4, 2007 4:26:16 PM

First, Oliver Miller.
Then, Stanley Roberts.
Now, Sean May....Please Exit the NBA Back Door to you right. Watch your step and SEE YA!

Posted by: Isreal Copperheimer | Oct 5, 2007 8:25:00 PM

Slowly, the world is knowing the great player Herrmann is. I know, because I saw him playing for Atenas de Córdoba in Argentina some years ago. Damn, he is good! Wait and see...

Posted by: Federico | Oct 6, 2007 12:12:19 PM

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