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December 27, 2007
Vincent's comment can be taken differently
When Bobcats coach Sam Vincent said Wednesday that his players can’t "out-talent" any team in the NBA, I thought his point was perfectly valid.
That doesn’t mean it would be well received by all of his players.
I took Vincent’s statement as this: These guys aren’t superstars, none has been an All-Star. If they expect to contend for a playoff spot this season, they must be more meticulous in their preparation and more focused in their execution than the typical NBA team.
Or as Derek Anderson put it after the loss to the Washington Wizards, this team should aspire to basketball plays, not athlete plays.
All that sounds right, but I suspect some players see it differently. To them, being told they can’t "out-talent" any other team sounds like a crack, not constructive criticism.
I don’t think Vincent was implying that they lack enough talent to win, I think he was holding his players accountable for their performance. That’s not necessarily how his remarks were perceived.
Posted by rbonnell on December 27, 2007 at 12:59 AM | Permalink
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he really is talking about matt carroll.have you seen this guys overall stats other then three point percentage. bad signing, this guy alone cant out-talent anybody.
Posted by: b murphy | Dec 27, 2007 8:20:19 AM
I want to know how much better this team is with Jason Richardson and why is Mcinnis logging so many minutes? Please show Jordan the door.
Posted by: fan | Dec 27, 2007 8:48:41 AM
I have watched our team lose a couple of close ones at home this year. While the players should be considered part of the problem, the truth is we have a first year coach. A close loss = coaching error nine out of ten times. Sam brings some passion to the team that Bernie never did, but he also brings rookie coaching mistakes. I would like to see Sam accept his FAIR share of the blame. So far I see him pointing fingers at everyone else. He is the guy that decides who plays and when. He is the guy that tells which players to shoot the ball and from where. Jeff M logs a lot of minutes - I like Jeff, but I don't like the way he plays. I like Matt C, but he needs to take less 3 pt shots and drive more. I like Gerald W, but he is lazy in back-2-back games. I like Emeka O, but he has not improved his game since he was a rookie. Jason R I think is doing great, but he takes too many jump shots. Raymond F has worked hard on his game - more then any other Bobcat...but he should pass more shoot less. Nazr M is working hard here - I wish he were 3 years younger then the trade would make sense. As far as Sean May goes I am tired of seeing him get bigger on the side lines at each home game. He eats too many whoppers, big macs, fries, and donuts with the salary Bob and Michael are giving this guy to sit on the bench - this is a no brainer trade or cut.
Posted by: NC_Bobcats_Fan | Dec 27, 2007 9:29:03 AM
I agree with NC_Bobcats_Fan for the most part. Vincent has brought all the "tricks of the trade" he learned from the South African women's team he coached to the NBA. I just don't understand how Bob Johnson could come into town and insist on doing things "his" BET way and then hire Jordan to run basketball operations and basically hire his friends. It's obvious that Jordan's true value to the Bobcats is public relations, which he shuns. Richardson, Felton and Carroll will always go for the easy jump shot. When they're hot, we win; when they are cold, we lose. Why drive the lane? You get fouled, but you also get beat up and there are 82 games to get beat up in. So, we shoot first, pass later. But, May and Morrison are also both jump shooters, so when they come back, we will have more fights over shots. I just don't see it long term.
Posted by: Matt Rowland | Dec 27, 2007 10:31:48 AM
trade for Gasol. May will never be good and Morrison just can't play D, give up both of them....
Posted by: Local | Dec 27, 2007 9:21:34 PM
Matt Carroll's signing was *bad*.
6 years at $27 million for so-so three-point shooting? If we hadn't given him that fat contract, we would've been better off letting Detroit have him with Primo instead of Walter Hermann, whose outside shooting and height would've been a bigger help in the long-term.
Or: Couldn't we have used that money to make an offer for Antawn Jamison next season? I mean, the Bobs are so fond of UNC guys and all.....
Posted by: TJ Royal | Dec 27, 2007 10:28:14 PM
Matt Carroll's signing was *bad*.
6 years at $27 million for so-so three-point shooting? If we hadn't given him that fat contract, we would've been better off letting Detroit have him with Primo instead of Walter Hermann, whose outside shooting and height would've been a bigger help in the long-term.
Or: Couldn't we have used that money to make an offer for Antawn Jamison next season? I mean, the Bobs are so fond of UNC guys and all.....
Posted by: TJ Royal | Dec 27, 2007 10:30:12 PM
$4.5/year is really not a bad contract at all for a 6th man these days, particularly given that Carroll could step into the starting lineup without problem. He's a far better player than Nazr Mohammed, who's being paid like an All-NBAer. Furthermore, 40%+ from 3 ain't bad, and it ranks 28th in the NBA. One of the problems with Carroll right now is that our Nigerian woman coach is trying to use him like a Ben Gordon when his well-rounded slashing game is more suited to play in starting packages, rather than "Ey, whitey, jack one up every time you get the ball from McInnis."
Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 27, 2007 11:00:15 PM
Nice Procton, you've added racism to your idiotic comments on here. You should be ashamed of yourself, I would like to kick you in the junk right now.
Posted by: Ted | Dec 28, 2007 9:33:49 AM
Why don't we discuss the real issues surrounding the Bobcats? They are a mediocre team in a small market. Do the math. There is no way that this franchise is viable long term. Bob is going to get tired of losing money soon and then they are out of here, just like the Hornets. For that matter, the NBA as a league is probably going to contract to about 8-10 big market teams, which would suit me fine. I would rather watch college hoops any day.
Posted by: Richard Poe | Dec 28, 2007 9:37:10 AM
Richard Poe does make a point. Charlotte is a small market. However, Charlotte is probably the fastest-growing and most financially stable and prosperous city in South right now. Charlotte could support an NBA team if the team were in sync with the community. But, the team has done almost everything it can to alienate the city. That's the first problem...dumb-ass management. The second problem is the ego of the young players making millions. When you see somebody like Felton shooting 2 for 12 in the Washington loss, you don't need to look at any more statistics. If the team parties too much the night before, they drag the next night. They get paid whether the team wins or not. Who cares? And, if the players don't care, why should the fans? The turning point this season was the Boston game this year. The team fought and clawed and the atmosphere was incredible. The team was ahead with four seconds left but then Jason Richardson's inbounds pass was deflected and Ray allen hit the winning three. A timeout would have moved the ball to mid-court and the team could have chosen a better inbounds person. Great effort, great play, but lousy coaching.
Posted by: Randy Longfellow | Dec 28, 2007 10:50:06 AM
Why dont all you negative so called "fans" do us real fans a favor & either die or dissappear.... Who with good sense thought this team was championship caliber?! As a season ticket holder this team is just wear I thought they would be & that is at the bottom half of the Eastern Conf. with still a legitimate chance to sneak in the playoffs. How can you judge May based on the oh 30 something games he's played so far, how do you know he eats whopper & big macs unless he was in Burger King while you were there working?! Good job Bob & MJ in 4 years you have built a decent team now those players have to show that they are capable of being a team. The only thing said on this board of any legitimate truth is the fact we shoot waaaaay too many jump shots.
Posted by: Toriano | Dec 28, 2007 11:07:55 AM
You can judge May based on the fact that he's ONLY PLAYED IN 30 GAMES! His body is just too damned fat for his knees and back to support it. As for "Bob & MJ" having built the team, the credit for that goes to Bickerstaff. Johnson is an idiot, and MJ jumped on so he could have somebody else to run around on since his wife left.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 28, 2007 11:36:22 AM
Disgusting, do you all know anything about basketball or do you just post things in order to occupy your boring lives. The Bobcats are a young but talented team. Mohammad was the best play made by the front staff all season. In his first 5 games he has posted two double doubles with a avg of 12.g ppg and 9.2 rpg, I doubt Carroll will ever post these kind of numbers he will be shipped out in the off season like a lot of the dead wieght on the roster. Now the Bobcats problem is coaching he has the tools now put the to use. And by the way MAY is bulking up b/c he has beeninstructed to do so, they feel he needs to put on more muscle mass to compensate his soft style of play. Our bench is deplited due to Morrison and May being hurt. We can still make the playoffs if we come out more prepared and stop digging ourselves in the hole in the 1st quarter. Its time to re-evalute the game plan, Sam.
Posted by: N.Carolina252 | Dec 28, 2007 8:42:57 PM
HA HA HA, I have informed Rick Bonnel so many times of the bad that would happen to this team if ALAN ANDERSON was not on this team this year. Yes I said ALAN ANDERSON. And the reason being is one very important and simple basketball phrase: TEAM CHEMISTRY.
Right now everyone is doing what they feel is the right thing to do instead of understanding what the team needs. Matt Carroll is a bore and simply is a one dimensional player, spot open and shoot and if he is not on, thats just it for him that night. But not ALAN, you can give him the ball and let him go iso on whoever in the nba that is guarding him. Plus he shoots 80% from the freethrow line.
Back to team chemistry, the only reason this team took a step back from last year is that the team is missing a big piece from those last two years helping them grow. For #1 ALAN is a facilitator and can pass the ball in the post or to the hott hand on the court instead of thinking about his own scoring. #2 He does what ever the coach asks and then adds his own to that. #3 Great practice player and if with the second team can give the first team a real look at the kind of defense in-game they will deal with. And #4 he is a great locker room guy, graduated from Mich. St. in 4 years and has no legal baggage and just plain simple is a good all around kid.
So if you believe what I am saying and believe in ALAN ANDERSON help me help him get another shot on this team before some one else pulls him back from europe. Oh yeah he just dropped 24p 8r 2a (7-9fg) (15-17ft) in italy league game. So help me in my campaign to get him.
Holla!!!
Posted by: T-Dub | Dec 29, 2007 10:14:06 AM
Hah...maybe you should have been in charge of May's training regimen. I feel like if the Bobbies wanted him to bulk up, they would have preferred eight from muscle, rather than fat.
Matt Carroll is 20 times the player Alan Anderson ever was. If Anderson can only put up 24-8 against 6-8 centers and 6-3 forwards in Italy, he sure ain't much special for the Association.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 29, 2007 12:03:52 PM
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Posted by: George Shinn | Dec 29, 2007 1:02:25 PM
When is it appropriate to start to seriously consider cutting coach Sam Vincent? For the first time, the Bobcats have a legitimate starting line up and the coach has no idea how to utilize the talent.
There are plenty of coaches that would love the have the opportunity to run a team with Wallace and Richardson at the wing positions, and Raymond at the point. Some of these guys like Okafor are still in prime "developmental" years and this stretch of their careers could be wasted by an under-skilled head coach and strategy.
Some of coach Vincent's moves and game plans were suspicious early in the season, but the opening quarter of Friday's game against the Hornets showed that he simply didn't have the proper the approach to the match up. While some coaches could have made adjustments to stop the bleeding and maintain a manageable point margin in the game (with home court advantage), Vincent showed no control or slight influence over what happened on the court for the entirety of the contest.
Posted by: Big Q | Dec 29, 2007 3:29:49 PM
Hey now, Big Q...why would you get rid of a guy who did such a great job with those African women players?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 30, 2007 8:04:44 PM
I have been following Charlotte since the big trade. You guys probably got the best of it. Looks like Nazr was doing great before he was benched. Primoz and Walter are only averaging six minutes a game and really don't seem to fit well with the team. I gotta admit that I have never seen quite as many racist remarks on a sports board before. Sure, the bobcats will fail as will the panthers. No support. Face it, Charlotte is a southern hick town where only NASCAR racing can survive. But we MAKE the cars. HAHAHA!
Go Pistons! Go Lions! Go Tigers!
Posted by: dave | Jan 4, 2008 6:18:49 PM
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