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February 11, 2008

Bobcats not giving Vincent effort

I wonder if management understands how dysfunctional the Bobcats are right now. I asked some friends – an advance scout from an opposing team and a veteran beat-writer – for impressions after Charlotte’s 26-point loss to Detroit, and their words were virtually identical:

This team is going through the motions, and likely will the rest of the season.

It’s one thing when you’re overmatched, it’s quite another when you appear not to be trying. Many of you used to rip Bernie Bickerstaff for his rotation or some subtle technical flaw. But Bickerstaff succeeded where I suspect Sam Vincent never will:

He persuaded a team with a severe talent deficit to play remarkably hard.

They never under-achieved with Bernie in charge. They seldom acted like losing by 26 was OK. Now that’s become the norm. And curiously, they admit how dysfunctional they are. Raymond Felton apologized, in a sincere, repenting manner, after they went through the motions Friday against the Nets. He was as guilty as anyone, but that didn’t make him feel any better.

So how do you follow up such a lifeless performance with the sleepwalking that transpired Sunday against the Pistons?

This team isn’t responding to Vincent. It’s getting worse, not better, and I wonder how long Michael Jordan will let this simmer before doing something.

Posted by Observer Sports on February 11, 2008 at 01:02 AM | Permalink

Comments

Bonnell,

Your "observations" continue to be off. How can you say that the effort wasn't there. They cut the lead down to 12 with about 7 minutes left. The team is down 3 key players and are playing against one of the top 2 teams in the east. The team is playing hard, but they are not that talented. Besides Richardson who on the floor last night would be in the Pistons rotation?

Posted by: chris | Feb 11, 2008 7:47:46 AM

This entire organization is dysfunctional. From the failed tv network to the equally horrible time warner deal, failed draft picks, instability in the front office, to no connection with fans whatsoever. Yes Vincent should be fired, he is awful and the players know it, but what is the point now? The Bobcats are completely insignificant not only in the NBA, but in their own city. Pay Larry Brown big bucks to come back for a year or two and get this sorry franchise headed in the right direction. Then he can pass the reins off to a well groomed assistant who has worked with this team under Brown's tutelage. Not somebody coaching girls AAU in Nigeria or a D-league team in Natchez, Mississippi.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 11, 2008 8:03:02 AM

The 'cats have been going thru the motions a long time, they are pampered, and spoiled and could care less about wins and losses. Talent is not lacking, that burning desire in the pit of your stomach, the love of winning, the willingness to place team above self, they don't beleive in the underdog. It requires them to care!!! They enjoy being the 'clipper's of the east!

Posted by: fred_flinstone | Feb 11, 2008 9:58:27 AM

That's just what this organization needs, another UNC guy.

That will solve ALL of our problems!

Oh, wait.

Most of our problems stem from UNC guys.

Awful Raymond Felton, even worse Jeff McInnis, that fat lazy slob Sean May, and quite a few of Jordan's decisions (drafting Morrison, bringing in his buddy Sam Vincent, etc).

In fact, just about all of our problems can be traced back to someone from UNC.

Please no more people from UNC. This organization can't take anymore.

Posted by: Will | Feb 11, 2008 10:22:53 AM

This goes back to what I have been saying. This team is missing talent! I believed, based on the past 3 years, that this team was poised to compete for a playoff spot. They overacheived in many regards. At least we could see consistent effort, under Bernie!

I realize that now and historically, every contending team has had a mix of a) True lottery caliber talent b)draft talent c)the right role players and d)coaching, in that order.

Now ask yourselves, do the Bobcats truely have that mix? I vote for b) with Richardson being the only true lotter caliber player on this team. That aint gonna cut it!

What do you think?

Posted by: northcliq | Feb 11, 2008 10:43:38 AM

Okafor/Wallace/Richardson are fine.

They are plenty good enough to be starters on a legitimate playoff team.

Carroll is probably good enough for his role, even though he's sucked this year. Same goes for Mohammed.

So, we have a legit center, backup center, SF, SG, and backup SG.

We need some players at PF and at PG, along with a better coach. Get us a real coach and a real PG, and someone that can be passable as a PF, and this team will go back to being the overachieving team that many thought had a chance to make the playoffs this year.

Posted by: Will | Feb 11, 2008 10:53:36 AM

Who are the Bobcats?

Posted by: Bryan | Feb 11, 2008 11:07:50 AM

You aren't supposed to have to convince someone who you're paying millions of dollars a year to to give effort.

Posted by: Dilla | Feb 11, 2008 11:26:51 AM

What a terrible season after such a promising start.

Dilla, you have to look for players with desire and will to win. Just b/c they get paid millions does not mean they have to give effort. If they want another contract they have to work, but there is no incentive otherwise. It's all about heart, and the Bobs have none.

Posted by: LeeL | Feb 11, 2008 11:47:36 AM

Will...how dare you call Sean "the Love Machine" May a fat slob. He's definately no slob! He wears well tailord balloon pants from VERY Big and Tall, sports coat from the Mc'D Collection and his custom shirts from KFC International. So lighten up. Ole Sean just needs a little lovin' to shake those horrificly oversize thighs and waste down to a trim fighting weight of 300 or so...so leave him alone. He's so disraught he isnt even taken calls from his idol..Snoopy from the Metlife blimp. So lets all show the ole Love Machine a little respect and pick up a half dozen Ultimate Cheesburgers from Jack in the Box and leave them oputside the back door of Bobcats Arena tonight before the Lakers game so he knows he's loved!

Posted by: Mike | Feb 11, 2008 12:41:18 PM

The Bobcat's problems began in preseason with bad luck (whatever you think of Morrison and May, their injuries cost the 'Cats 20-30 points and 10 rebounds a game) and bad decisions like acquiring a very good player who plays the same position as their best player and acquiring a coach with zero NBA head coaching experience. It is clear that he is overmatched and has lost this team. Felton may not be the protypical PG, but he must be wondering what this coach wants from him. The poor guy has lost all the enthusiasm that is so important to his game (and the team's early success). This team is going backwards without a new coach and a new GM.

Posted by: wg | Feb 11, 2008 12:48:25 PM

Im so burnt out on using excuses as a reason we suck. We suck because the coach sucks. Any team can only be as good as the coach coaching the team.....Believe it....

Posted by: Burnt Out | Feb 11, 2008 12:55:38 PM

This isn't college basketball Burnt Out. The NBA is about the players. They aren't a bunch of 18 year olds who need a mentor to explain to them how to roll off a screen or call out defensive help. They're professional basketball players. And they need to play like they're professionals. The Pistons have been to the Eastern Conference finals with 3-4 coaches over the last few years. They have good players so any coach can do it. The Bobcats on the other hand have no depth and a bunch of injuries.

Coaching can be blamed when we played Jeff McInnis for 30 minutes a game. But you can't just blame coaching for everything. Sam Vincent didn't throw away the inbounds pass versus Boston so Ray Allen could hit the game winner, he called an inbounds play that our players didn't execute.

Basketball is a team sport. You're quick to blame Vincent for all our troubles but I'm sure you'll never give him credit for a win.

Posted by: Ronnie | Feb 11, 2008 1:21:31 PM

It is clear this team hates Vincent. They will not put out the required effort for him. Make a move now and cut your losses. I doubt Jordan has the balls to fire his buddy.

Posted by: James Reed | Feb 11, 2008 1:25:08 PM

When Bernie stepped down last season, this is what I feared would happen. Vincent, for whatever potential MJ saw in him as an NBA coach, can NOT relate to his players, nor even respect them at times. The plug must be pulled on him, and soon, if this franchise wants to become relevant. I've no doubt the Arena will be filled to near capacity if a winning team can be fielded, but in the direction this team is headed, that kind of team is a long, long, LONG way off. I think this team can be a playoff contender in two years, and remain one for a number of years, but smart decision need to be made, and that includes dumping Vincent. MJ, just be a man and do the right thing!

Posted by: TheBeagle | Feb 11, 2008 1:28:27 PM

Fire Vincent, ok...and then hire who?

Who do we get to come and coach us halfway through the season? Saying Vincent needs to be fired is easy to do. Coming up with a new coaching candidate in mid-February is not easy to do. And who would even want to coach for a team when the previous coach didn't even get 1 season to prove himself?

Its like Panthers fans who want Fox or Delhomme gone. Ok, but who do you bring in? People are really good at pointing fingers and saying what they think is wrong. Then what? You've identified the problem, whats the solution?

Posted by: Ronnie | Feb 11, 2008 1:33:00 PM

When you got McInnis atarting at the point that says it all about your team-another lost season.I don't think all the blame should be on Vincent but on the team and organization as a whole.Okafor is having an average season,Felton's numbers have dropped his 3fg% is so ugly i care not to look at it till it gets over 38% at least,May and Morrison are out.So this team needs to show heart,passion to be competitive in the East and be respected by their opponents.Okafor and Felton have been the bigger dissapointments for me this season,Vincent is in his first year as coach and his first as an NBA coach at that.If the Bobcats still suck this time next year ok Sam should be shown the door and find another replacement.

Posted by: Tama | Feb 11, 2008 2:19:50 PM

I try to maintain a positive outlook about this team, but these last couple of games have crippled most of my faith. The Bobcats do have some glaring weaknesses, but so do most of the bottom tier teams in the East. Amazingly, two or three of those bottom tier teams will make the playoffs. The talent level on this team needs to be improved, but talent alone is not the problem. I watch games sometimes and I feel like the Bobcats are in the Twilight Zone. I find myself constantly saying, "What is going on fellas!?!"

Vincent has made some mistakes, but he definitely should not be fired before the end of the season. He should not be fired unless the Bobcats have a well qualified replacement already lined up. The last thing this team needs is a Washington Redskins type coaching search.

Posted by: Token | Feb 11, 2008 2:24:32 PM

Hey, the Bobcats aren't a very good team plain and simple, they have players who are solid athletes and solid shooters, but they can't find a way to play together and play defense, the thing you notice with all the other bad teams this season is that they at least give it their all on defense, this team makes me laugh when they try and guard actual proffesional teams, The really good teams in the NBA have a good mix and good chemistry mixed with talent, this team has none of that and doesn't look like they are going to pull it together this season, All anyone is willing to do is point fingers at each other, that is a sign that things aren't going to get better for a long time!

Posted by: Nick George | Feb 11, 2008 3:11:32 PM

I think vincent needs to be fired by all-star break. We have the talent, and the players needed to be recogned with in the east. we've shown in vs the good teams but then again we just cant seem to get it. Vincent doesnt know how to work Nazi and Okafor at the same time, he feels that he NEEDS to play bench warming senior citizens such as othella and anderson. emeka's average season is all in part of vincent. When he plays only 23 mintues for a span of 15 games what is gonna happen???? bad numbers. its sad, when mek plays 30+ minutes he is putting up all-star numbers. and he obviously isnt coaching the team just telling felton, j-rich, and wallace to shoot ont their own while losing the point of getting Mek the ball in the 2nd half. Then he questions heart of the team?? Wallace and J-Rich put it all out there everyday and when he challenged their heart he truely conceded as a coachand LOST the entire team. I will never ever lose faith in the cats, cuz they are my team for life. but if something changes soon we are not gonna be able to get ppl to come even if we do get good at one point.

Posted by: adam luhrs | Feb 11, 2008 4:22:18 PM

I felt that after Bernie was kicked upstairs that the Bobcats should've hired Paul Silas. He was definitely well respected and did get the most of his teams. I felt that the Vincent hire was cheap and also MJ looking out for one of his friends. I say pull the plug on Vincent and bring Paul Silas and have him play an exciting brand of basketball and I do think he could command the respect of his players in this town as well as some of the fans. We all remember how much class he showed in having those Hornet teams compete during the Shinn-Ridge years. Just a thought.

Posted by: Keith | Feb 11, 2008 4:27:15 PM

Heading into this season, I would have expected to witness the biggest improvement thus far in the franchise's history, but it appears they are behind the progressions they made last year.

Remarkably, they have fared well against the Lakers in the past, but I expect they will not fare so well this evening.

Posted by: JW Stringer | Feb 11, 2008 4:45:18 PM

The players' fault pales in comparison to fault of the management & coaches. I have been very impressed this year with the maturity of these young players. I believe that long after any normal group of individuals would have lashed out or given up or both they continued to work hard for this incompetent coaching staff. Now I see in their play that they believe it is all over for this season and, possibly for a few, all over for their careers as Bobcat players. Regardless of how much they get paid they are still human.

Now, let's put yourself in the shoes of the key players most of whom are under the age of 26. First, you go to camp and learn a new system from a new coach. You are told the role or roles that you are expected to fill.

Ten games go by and the coach changes the offensive system and the roles. Another ten games go by and the coach changes the defensive system and the roles. First, you are the PG then you are the SG then you are the PG again then you start then you come off the bench then you are expected to score more points then you are told to stop shooting so much then you end up dazed & confused then Rich Bonnell starts writing about you.

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Posted by: SpaceJam | Feb 11, 2008 7:43:57 PM

For those of you who say it isn't Vincent's fault for the Bobcats doing so poorly this season, you are halfway right-- it's Vincent AND Jordan that makes a bad combo for the organization. The Bobcats had the highest record in history for the first 3 yrs of a new NBA team and it was because everyone worked together. Jordan steps in and brings in his buddies and bringing down the attitude of the team. Why would the team play hard for a coach who bashes them after every loss? Other than bringing in a new head coach, why did the Bobcats need to change EVERYTHING (asst. coaches, media, etc) when they already had a good thing going for them? BRING BACK THE OLD COACHING STAFF... we know the players worked hard for them! Bye bye Vincent... don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

Posted by: FireVincent | Feb 11, 2008 8:04:57 PM

PS. Why weren't any of the asst. coaches asked/interviewed to take over for Bickerstaff? They all had just as much experience as Vincent. What's up with that move? Oh wait, no UNC connection... i see. I have always loved Jordan and now I'm very very dissappointed in him!

Posted by: FireVincent | Feb 11, 2008 8:10:34 PM

I know a lot of people that would know if MJ has balls. Those people are all of the women he has produced children with who weren't his wife.

Posted by: jason | Feb 11, 2008 8:23:45 PM

Could we trade BJ, MJ and this group of losers to New Orleans for our Hornets?

Posted by: kv | Feb 11, 2008 8:26:17 PM

hey, nazr mohammad and jason richardson are the base of this team.... we need two more shooting forwards and one good player(to play point guard) .... i think jordan trying to build up emka and wallace so he could trade them for good forwards with shooting capabilites.

Posted by: jason | Feb 11, 2008 9:06:07 PM

Jason you are a idiot. Wallace is the bobcats. Please fire Vincent he sucks, I knew we were doomed when I saw he prior exp. coaching Nigeria's womens team he is a joke.

Posted by: noah | Feb 11, 2008 10:08:27 PM

re: lakers game loss tonite. did anyone see matt carroll throw up his hands in disgust after vincent replaced him with mcginnis with about a minute to go? not like we needed points or anything.

Posted by: jiff65 | Feb 11, 2008 10:21:53 PM

I agree that Vincent is the problem. But i think MJ is going to give his buddy more time to grow. At least til the end of the season. Remember Leonard Hamilton?

Posted by: joe Hill | Feb 11, 2008 10:48:28 PM

jiff65, I was at the game tonight and you missed what lead up to Carroll's disgust with Vincent stupid move. On the previous sequence, poor little Jeff fell down (got beat again) and the Lakers got an uncontested dunk when the game is on the line. The Bobcats then had to go down the court with poor little Jeffy holding his shoulder until the next deadball. This really wasn't a problem as the Bobcats are very familar with playing 4 on 5 as no opponent has to guard McInnis (he's shooting 17% from 3pt range). Back to the action, a deadball creates opportunity for Sam I am to get McInnis out of the game and McInnis is complaining says he's ok. All of this happens because of Vincent's inability to properly use his timeouts, he used them early in the 3rd quarter to apparently 'rest' Felton. Carroll stays in the game for less than a minute and Sam I am puts Jeffy back in the game. Whatever defensive liability the coaches think Carroll presents, it puts more pressure on the other 4 players to try to score against 5. When Carroll was in the game, his defender couldn't cheat off of him as much which creates opportunity for everyone. This is pitiful, as the Bobcats roll-out their season ticket renewal plans, they need to roll Sam out the door to show the fans they are serious about being competitive in games (that is done by quality players and coaching).

Posted by: StartOnePGperGame | Feb 11, 2008 11:28:57 PM

20 games into the season this team was looking bad. Does anyone think MJ was testing the water when he stepped into the practice session earlier this year?

Sam Vincent Must Go.

The simple reason being that there isn't a worse coach in the league. Really. It's hard to even think of one that's close to as bad as Vincent.

Paul Silas was a solid coach that could sell his team on the concept of defense. He let them play their game on offense and they respected him and enjoyed playing with him because his formula resulted in wins.

Simply put, if this team were over .500 no one would have problems believing in the coach (the guys on the roster or us). Here's an easy rule : If you don't win, you get fired.


Posted by: CAN SAM | Feb 12, 2008 1:16:09 AM

Obviously, as everyone has hit on, Vincent was a poor choice from the start, and I really don't buy the "He's new at this; he has to feel his way through it." If that's true, why bring in two of the highest paid players in the league (compared to production) and proclaim that this is the year we're going to the playoffs? Maybe Vincent should have been given a chance to feel his way through being an NBA coach, but I sure wish he hadn't gotten a chance to do it as the Bobcats head coach. Only Jordan can be blamed for that.

(On another note: For all my fans (*enemies?), I got invited to make a guest appearance on the CarolinaSportsNet talk show tonight (Tuesday.) The show will air from 9:00 PM to 10-ish, and I'll be on around 9:10 or so. The website is http://www.blogtalkradio.com/carolinasportsnetradio and the phone-in number if you want to talk about any local sports (or just rip me) is: 646-915-9669. Invite your friends, neighbors, relatives, etc. Here's the blurb for this week's planned show:

Interview with Michael Procton, local area well known poster. We continue with the post NFL season hangover. More coverage of acc basketball, north carolina duke wrap up, bobcats coverage plus more hilarity from the cast of characters.)

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 12, 2008 2:15:26 AM

Procton...sorry I missed your debut...was in pain at the Bobcats game...any chance you weighed in (no pun intended) on Sean "OHHHH BABY...lemme have another box of them jelly donuts" May?....and I agree with everyone above...like an company, hierarchy defines accountability...in this case, Probs with the players are Vincents headache...problems with Vincent are Jordans headache and so forth...MJ has made a bad call here...not sure midseason ousting chnages the outcome...I'm a lower bowl seat holder and will drive my renewal based on how and how quickly Jordan addresses these and other problems...feel bad to the team...they all appear to be really good guys with talent who are now under motivated and floundering

Posted by: Mike | Feb 12, 2008 9:01:26 AM

went to the game last night up at the bob cat bowl.. from the look of things we got along way to get before we are even in playoff form much less make the play offs. FIRE VINCENT. cut everyone other then RICHARDSON, CARROLL and WALLACE

Posted by: rvickory | Feb 12, 2008 9:45:30 AM

Fire Sam. He doesn't know what he's doing. You have coaches from opposing teams (Pistons) saying that he thought that the Bobcats were just going through the motions. I think that all of Sam's blaming the losses on the tiredness of his team has made them not want to play for him. Raymond showed up last night for the first time in a month after some comments that he wasn't trying from the media, not his coach. Nazr showed up, and that was about all. Matt Carroll's confidence is shot based upon, I believe, by Sam Vincent's substitution patterns, and favoring Jeffy over him. I bet Carroll is upset that he signed that contract extension. I bet that if he knew that his play would be this limited, he would have went and played elsewhere.
The team is a shambles. Vincent is to blame. Not injuries to May or Morrison. Not the tiredness of the players. I think that it comes down to Sam Vincent not knowing how to motivate his players, and not knowing how to be a gametime coach. Plain and simple.
Another poster asked who the Bobcats would replace Sam with if they fired him in the middle of the season.
The answer is: does it matter?
Any coach with at least a little bit of experience could do at least as well as Sam. Heck, bring back J.B. Bickerstaff. I know that he's an alki, but the players seemed to like him. Or, for that matter, why not let Derek Anderson step off the court and run the team for the rest of the season? He knows the Bobcats players better than Vincent does.
I have woken up every morning for the past week hoping to see the headline that the Bobcats have fired Sam.
Please MJ and Bernie, make my dreams come true.

Posted by: Caleb | Feb 12, 2008 11:17:44 AM

Was at last nights game and didnt see Sean "Krispy Kreme" May laying around...saw Morrison behind the bench, Wallace and Harrington....did anybody who went to the game see that "choclat covered creme filled donut" of ours at the game?

Posted by: Mike | Feb 12, 2008 12:07:10 PM

If Vincent did what he did last night with any other team, he wouldve been fired on the spot. How do cut the lead all the way down to 4 and put Jeff and Dudley in and keep Okafor on the bench for the remainder of the game. You need more defensive stops and you pull your stopper in the middle. He wants his new contract, let him earn it in crunch time. Don't keep a washed up point guard and a rookie in when you're trying to win a game. This was some of the worst coaching decisions I have ever seen. You sign Boykins and only play him for a few min? Someone needs to get Vincent out of here. He reminds me of a certain bad wrestler also named Vincent. He is doing a bad job of nWoing this league. Get someone who get the job done, big man!

Posted by: Jericho | Feb 12, 2008 1:58:53 PM

It is obvious we need players, I believe @ least one more lottery caliber player preferably a 4/5. (This team is headed for the lottery, in case you didn't know!) What you have to do is look at what you have and go from there. Okafor, not a max player, is fine as well as Felton and Richardson.

I am not so sure about May and Morrison being the difference, but they couldn't do any worse. Neither one would be considered defensive stoppers.

Posted by: northcliq | Feb 12, 2008 2:30:21 PM

First, let me say that if Bernie was still coaching this team they would be hovering around .500 (and I don't even think Bernie is a good coach).

With that said, this organization is completely in shambles. You eat Nazr's inflated contract and then Vincent doesn't even start the guy. And it's not like he's playing bad; Nazr has done very well since joining the team.

Instead of starting Nazr or Carroll (who we also just got paid big bucks and who was coming off a great season), we start Jeff McInnis. Jeff McInnis??!!?

"Oh, but we don't have a true point guard." Well maybe if Vincent would quit changing his mind about Felton every other day, we'd have a solid point guard. And McInnis could be the sub-standard backup he truly is.

Vincent is an abomination. And anyone who says it's because we're missing May and Morrison hasn't followed this team at all. We were an injury depleted team last year too, yet Bernie had everyone playing 10 times better than this team is...without JRich too.

Bernie was brought in to bring along a young team and hand it off to someone who could take us to the next level. We're obviously taking steps back and the bulk of the blame falls on a coach who is inexperienced and hasn't shown the slightest sign on improvement.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if he would step up to the plate and take the blame. Instead, he'll blame anyone or anything. Bernie would take the blame and look out for the good of his team.

So, what I'm trying to say...FIRE VINCENT! Bring back Bernie or bring in someone else...anyone else!

Posted by: Virgil | Feb 12, 2008 2:30:56 PM

If MJ doesn't sort out this mess soon, he's going to lose the most important people in the franchise - the fans. And once you lose the fans, you really are fighting a losing battle.

MJ, you should cut your losses with Vincent and bring in an interim coach until the end of this miserable season. At least then the fans can see that you mean business, and this isn't just your little toy-thing, where you invite your old pals over for some work experience.

I see most of the players on the roster as playoff-worthy, perhaps with the exception of McInnis, Harrington and Morrison (and May if he doesn't get healthy soon!). Wallace and Richardson are great wingmen, even if very similar. Okafor is a beast in the middle (most of the time) and Nazr is a very good PF or back-up for Okafor. Carroll is the steretypical 6th man if given the minutes, but I think Felton needs tutorlage from a solid, veteran PG before he can be handed the reigns full-time.

However, this group of players, or ANY group of players for that matter, can only click as a REAL team, when they have 100% respect for their coach, and their coach has 100% respect for the players. And this is so clearly not the case with the Bobcats right now that I can't really see how things can change under Vincent. He is quite clearly out of his depth, and should probably do the right thing and just resign from his post since MJ's balls have gone walkabout.


Posted by: Shish | Feb 12, 2008 4:24:33 PM

What kind of radio station invites a blogger to come for a guest spot? What kind of jerk promos himself? I'll be on the toilet all night after digesting that trash.

Posted by: LeeL | Feb 12, 2008 4:43:41 PM

When your coach's only head coaching experience was with a women's team, this is what you get. Maybe MJ will hire another buddy next. I wonder what Bill Cartwright or Sam Perkins are doing now. Heck, maybe he can bring in Jimmy Black as his special advisor and secret weapon.

What a joke.

Posted by: Tommy Patterson | Feb 12, 2008 6:56:09 PM

Simple solution then.....Fire Vincent and get a headcoach that has experience and knows how to build a winning team.

Posted by: Mark | Feb 12, 2008 7:52:30 PM

You can say all you want about the coach, but if you look at the way the players are playing the fault is in their hands. Omeka is one of the biggest players on the team, but does he ever rush in and slam the ball, no, he protects his body, and scores 10 points a game, he is a sissy, just like alot of the others, they need to get off the perimeter and take the ball inside, draw some fouls, and heres the big thing, make free throws, for a team that makes what they do, and its there job, shouldnt they be able to make a free throw every time they go to the line, give me the money, I can.

Posted by: davester | Feb 12, 2008 9:03:18 PM

I dreamed a happy dream last night that Bernie was back coaching this team but then I woke up and realized that Vincent is still the coach. My season tickets are starting to get blurry, fading in and out of view. If the future remains unchanged they could disappear altogether just before it is time to renew for 2009.

Posted by: RoyFan | Feb 13, 2008 7:52:32 AM

Johnson and Jordan need to pay very close attention to the ground swell of displeasure by the fans. Vincent promised a playoff spot this year. If this team ends up with LESS wins than last year (and it is a very real possibility) and dont make the playoffs, renewing season tickets will be a night mare. Without the gaurenteed cash flow of advance payments, the Bobcats go into the red before the season ever starts. That kind of economics will kill the teams management to invest dollars they dont have in securing top talent from which to grow the team.
That said, J&J need to get off their millionare-butts and start thinking like business men and start making changes at mid season. Forget ego. Dont worry anout the "I told you so's". They will forget quickly when the team starts winning. The stands will fill.
As someone who pays nearly $10k/year for 2 lower bowl tickets, I am becoming increasingly concerned about the attitudes of our 2 most dominant owners. Playing McGuiness is stupid even for an NBA neophyte. Dismissing Carrol and not giving him 28-32 EVERY night to get his rythm back makes zero sense. And the obvious goes on and on.
Have never EVER been one to believe "bias" drives good business thinking, but as I watch how Vincent put players on the court; how Bob Johnson staffs the arena with whoefully underqualified employees; how MJ has chosen "cronies" to fill key positions (ostensibly to avoid shots to his own ego by downsizing descension over decisions he might other wise like to make), I am growing concerned that the cost of my seats doesnt secure the appreication of the management group to necessarily justify renewal. Will let this play out but be assured, renewals next year will not be as seemingly gaurenteed as they may have been to this point.

Posted by: mike | Feb 13, 2008 8:53:24 AM

To Mike who keeps smashing my baby Sean...you need to lighten up! Until you know what its like to be wrapped up in a Choclate Big Foot you never gunna know how sweet it is. And if you dont like the way he eats, blame me. I can cook dead things that will make yo eyes pop out. So leave my baby alone or I may have to find you and slap you sideways with this 16 lb batter dipped cat fish I be makin' fo' his lunch.

Posted by: michelle | Feb 13, 2008 9:31:00 AM

See you ladies at the game tonight

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 13, 2008 10:32:32 AM

Procton, To continue our discussion on the blog "Struggling Carroll sits one out" since you disappeared from that blog without answering which seems to be abnormal for you:


Ok so all of those guys declined as a result of injury, but I guess I should have been more specific when I posed the question. Who has turned down an invite when healthy?

Also, I know that we have not improved much in the standings since getting Nazr, but he sure as hell is more productive than Primoz & has more to offer. And if Herrmann wasn't going to get on the floor then having Nazr is better than having Herrmann on the roster too. When we first got Nazr, he was a starter for 5 games and very productive. He averaged 14.4 points on 58.1% fg shooting, 11.8 rebounds in 31.8 minutes a game. We won 2 of those games and lost 2 by 4pts and lost to NO by 14, then Vincent benched him. We had a .400 winning percentage in those games - better than the current .367. As Bonnell's blog says, Vincent is committed to starting Nazr for the rest of the season. Assuming he sticks to that statement, I think you will see Nazr contribute like he did before and help us get more wins. However, the unfavorable schedule works against my belief because Nazr could play great along with the other starting 4 and we could still lose due to playing on the road so often.

As for the $, we were under the cap. People complained about the Bobcats not spending money and then when the Bobcats are willing to spend to make a move that they believe will benefit the team, people complain. I don't know if Nazr will get better or worse at 30 and beyond, but plenty of players have produced at that age and older. And so what if you don't think Nazr will get better at 30? You've been wrong before - didn't you adamantly say Primoz was better? Yeah you did.

You didn't answer my other questions either. Have you ever even played basketball? Or done so at competitve level? And I don't mean YMCA.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 13, 2008 10:54:43 AM

Evaluating the Mohammed trade:
If we're not going to improve in the standings, what was the point? We gave up two valuable commodities (expiring contracts), regardless of how good they are. I contend that Herrmann could certainly be a double-digit scorer in the league, and Brezec (if used properly) is as good a starting CENTER as we've got. After the trade, we're on the hook for his huge salary despite the fact that he doesn't have the stamina to play a starter's minutes (30 MPG.) Further, if you're going to laud the performance of the team when he's in the starting lineup, do it for EVERY game he's been in the starting lineup. In his 10 starts, we've gone 2-8 (.200.) Yes, the team DID need to spend more money, but there's no sense in it if you're not spending it WISELY. If you don't think we could put the same $6+ million to better annual use during the offseason, you're crazy. We could have gotten a player with similar capabilities now who is younger and still has UPSIDE, of which Mohammed has none. Please find me another 30 year-old center who has averaged 7 and 6 over his career and suddenly blossomed to become the 15-10 post presence the Bobcats need on a NIGHTLY basis (not when the matchups are right or when he's not tired from the previous game.)

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 11:56:19 AM

"Brezec (if used properly) is as good a starting CENTER as we've got"

There goes any of your remaining credibility.

Posted by: Johnny | Feb 13, 2008 12:22:04 PM

His play has certainly improved since going to Detroit. He's got the same numbers in about a third of the time.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 2:20:59 PM

Whats he averaging, 2 points 2 rebounds? He's a terrible player.

Posted by: Johnny | Feb 13, 2008 2:59:50 PM

If we're not going anywhere this year, I'd rather take a terrible player who will be gone after this year than a mediocre one who we're stuck with at a huge salary for another 4 years. And you know the Bobcats are too cheap to cut bait when he's even more broken down and old come 2010.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 4:54:12 PM

For an example, see Harrington, Othella.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 4:54:44 PM

Brezec is complete garbage. The Pistons won't keep him.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 13, 2008 5:11:33 PM

The Bobcats might be 2-8 with Nazr in the lineup, but that includes games where other starters did not play. For example, we lost to LA & Nazr started, but Gerald didn't play. That makes a HUGE difference. Also if you read my other post, you would have been able to infer that I was saying that we only slightly moved up in the standings because Nazr hasn't been used correctly. He needs to start! When he did start right after we got him, the team was playing a lot better.

Procton: "His play has certainly improved since going to Detroit. He's got the same numbers in about a third of the time."

Primoz is averaging 1.6pts, 1.2rebs in 16 games with the Pistons in 5.8 minutes a game. That is awful!!!! The numbers that he does get come against the reserves and scrubs of the other team because the Pistons get such a big lead, and those numbers still are not impressive. Nazr on the other hand is putting up 10.5pts, 7.6rebs in 25.1min a game with the Bobcats and his numbers would be better if he had started more games. That small-ball stuff with a back court of Felton and McInnis and forcing Nazr to come off of the bench is awful. There is a reason the Bobcats signed Boykins and he is now the #2 pg on the depth chart.

Primoz blows. Nazr is better, you're just flat out wrong to believe otherwise.


I ask again, ok so all of those guys you said declined as a result of injury, but I guess I should have been more specific when I posed the question. Who has turned down an invite when healthy?

You still didn't answer my other questions either. Have you ever even played basketball? Or done so at competitve level? And I don't mean YMCA.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 13, 2008 5:32:12 PM

Maybe MJ will come out of retirement for the 10th time and be the GM, Coach, Small Forward, Shooting Guard, Point Guard, Trainer, Practice leader.

I think the BlackCats are done in this town. Good Bye and Don't Let The Door hit you in your black ass when you leave Bobcat Johnson.

Posted by: abc | Feb 13, 2008 8:17:48 PM

If you can play two days later, you certainly could have played in the all-star game. It's not exactly the most physically taxing event in the world.

I don't know why you continue to ask about my basketball experience. I don't exactly see how it's relevant to the continual poor performance of the Bobcats. Furthermore, it seems YOU'RE the one ducking my questions. Of our steady starting lineups, the most successful one (win%-wise) has been the one with Jeff McInnis in the lineup so Felton didn't have to run the offense. What has Mohammed done to help the team? We weren't winning at a higher clip, and he got tired when he played even MPG, so what did it accomplish?

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 9:15:13 PM

If you can play two days later, you certainly could have played in the all-star game. It's not exactly the most physically taxing event in the world.

I don't know why you continue to ask about my basketball experience. I don't exactly see how it's relevant to the continual poor performance of the Bobcats. Furthermore, it seems YOU'RE the one ducking my questions. Of our steady starting lineups, the most successful one (win%-wise) has been the one with Jeff McInnis in the lineup so Felton didn't have to run the offense. What has Mohammed done to help the team? We weren't winning at a higher clip, and he got tired when he played even 30 MPG, so what did it accomplish?

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 13, 2008 9:15:46 PM

The last few games have just been awful. No effort. Fans are flat-lined. No enthusiasm. So, are we officially playing for the lottery pick? If we drafted a lottery pick, are we willing to pay him? BJ has screwed this franchise up beyond belief. The most ironic thing about BJ is that he has literally given public statements that Charlotte businessmen should take the opportunity to hire and give blacks a chance. But, he owned BET which celebrated the gansta lifestyle, which many would argue promotes the wrong aspirations for urban blacks. Then, when a well-spoken, educated black who preaches unity ala ML King runs for President, he falls all over himself running the black guy (Obama) down in favor of his white cronies (Clintons). The second irony is that at a time when the NBA is just now starting to recover from a referee betting scandal, NBA Owner BJ is trying to develop casinos all over the world. Finally, there is a major dysfunction - in a close knit, family oriented, church-going city - with an owner that eliminated prayer at Bobcats games and spends most of his time in the District of Columbia. Just what I would call a cluster f***. Thanks for the "diversity" David Stern.

Posted by: Randy Spector | Feb 13, 2008 9:47:34 PM

Who are the haters going to blame the win on?

Great game by the Bobcats. We suck record-wise, but at least we have some momentum going into the All-Star break.

Posted by: JamesQC | Feb 13, 2008 10:37:16 PM

It seems that every time Rick writes one of these stupid articles the Bobcats win. So keep it up Rick. By the way, it would help if you put a little effort into not being such a pessimist all the time.

Posted by: Dayne | Feb 13, 2008 10:48:35 PM

JamesQC...it was a great effort (by the players) tonight, but far from a great game. The Bobcats won inspite of their coach's efforts. In the second quarter we actually had McInnis, Boykins, Carrol, Davidson and Harrington on the court as we watched a 4 point deficit double. The strangest thing about this is Jared Dudley hadn't even seen the court at this point in the game and later came in to give the Bobcats a great boost. Vincent might argue his juggling with the line-up was to motivate the team, but the surge by the Bobcats never came until McInnis spent extended time on the bench in the 4th quarter.

Someone needs to send Vincent a Bobcat-O-Gram and tell him during timeouts he's actually suppose to talk to his players instead of yelling at his assistant coaches.

They announced the attendance at 11,218 which would only be correct if it was the number of shoes in the building. The longer they keep Sam I am around, the harder they make the salepeople calling up for season ticket renewals.

Posted by: StartOnePGperGame | Feb 13, 2008 11:31:36 PM

Uhh...we ARE starting "OnePGperGame." His name is Jeff McInnis. That guy in the #20 jersey can't run an offense to save his life. Think of him as Ben Gordon, but shorter and with no outside shot.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 14, 2008 2:38:54 AM

Once again with the Felton bashing when he has had two huge games for the Cats. Honestly, did anyone expect great things from the West Coast trip? Did anyone expect to beat the Pistons without Wallace? The only disappointing game effort-wise was against the Nets (who, by the way, are on a tear). The other losses came against great teams on their court without our best player. We don't have a bench deep enough to survive against these teams, or a coach that knows how to use it.

Last night's win was exciting. Despite the small crowd, they were enthusiastic and made noise throughout the OT period. You can say we won despite ourselves, but a division win is a division win.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 14, 2008 9:08:24 AM

Two "huge" games don't impress me much when he's scoring 20+ for the first time in two months. Good news that somebody in the organization has actually decided that having a corporate naming rights sponsor might just be a good idea to bring in some revenue. And as for the game last night, we don't win it without plays from Emeka's 20-20 night (more impressive than Felton's) and the much-maligned McInnis' game-winning shot.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 14, 2008 12:34:44 PM

Well your basketball experience would relate to how you see and analyze the game. Personally, I disagree with a lot of what you say, which is fine because people don't have to agree. However, some of the points you make are just flat out wrong and frankly come off as being ignorant of the game. It seems to me that you would see more of the little things on the floor & not think crazy things like Primoz being better than Nazr if you had played basketball yourself. Based on your posts, I am guessing you don't play basketball and if you have, you haven't played higher than a YMCA pick-up game level. Instead of proclaiming this to be the case though, I decided to ask you myself and you have repeatedly ignored the question.

As for ducking your questions, I didn't see you post too many. You disappeared for a while. When McInnis has been in the lineup it has not always been Felton, McInnis, Richardson, Wallace, and Okafor so you can't say McInnis is THE factor in why the Bobcats have the best winning % with him in there. You could argue though that because McInnis has been in the lineup a lot (especially earlier on when we didn't have Nazr and your boy Primoz wasn't getting it done) that it only makes sense that the most wins will come with him being a starter based on the fact that he played in a large number of games so he has a better opportunity to win more games as a starter over someone who only has started 10.

Trading for Nazr said to fans that the Bobcats want to win now and will spend money to do so. More importantly; it upgraded us in the post so Emeka isn't the only post option; Emeka won't have to play 40min a game and increase the risk of injury; it upgraded our defense so when Emeka goes out we don't have an open lane or a guy that players know they can drive on and easily get fouled (ie Primoz); and gives us a better chance to make the playoffs. The season isn't over. If Nazr continues to start and McInnis goes back to the bench once Wallace is healthy, then this team will be a lot better off.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 14, 2008 5:30:44 PM

How many more seasons do we have to have this team in town? No one really cares if they leave. Who would want Bob Johnson in their town? He is a sham artist.

Bob, Mike, All Friends of Mike you are not needed any longer.

Posted by: hornetseasonticketholder | Feb 14, 2008 8:09:17 PM

I'm not talking about the MOST wins...I'm talking about winning PERCENTAGE. I'm all for optimism, but if you really think this team has a chance of even making the playoffs, much less even winning a game (maybe in front of a packed house of 13,000 at ____________ Arena?) , you're crazy. We've got 19 of our 29 games left on the road, where we've got a .181 winning %. Because we "want to win" (and shouldn't they ALWAYS have wanted to win?), does that mean we should have signed Scot Pollard to a $40 million dollar deal just because he'd be a better option than Othella Harrington? No. In professional sports, it's all about performance versus pay, and Nazr Mohammed's ratio just ain't cuttin' it. Perhaps the same could be said for Brezec, or even Herrmann, but here's the thing...we were going to be rid of them after this year! We're stuck with Mohammed for ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, and unlike Herrmann...he's not getting better. Still waiting to hear about that 7 and 6 guy who suddenly blossomed to become the 15-10 post presence the Bobcats need on a NIGHTLY basis (not when the matchups are right or when he's not tired from the previous game) at THIRTY YEARS OLD.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 14, 2008 11:34:59 PM

Look Nazr is a hell of a lot better than you are giving him credit for. Vincent just needs to stick with playing him to show it. Nazr isn't a Scott Pollard talent though, Pollard hasn't been able to play for a few years now and what is up with that guy's hair styles?

As for this team, call me crazy if you want, but yes I still believe that this team can make the playoffs. And management believed that too back in Dec which is why the trade was made. We would probably have an even worse record had the deal not been made because Emeka as the only viable low-post option was definitely not working and left us susceptible to being attacked by other teams. The East is weak (the Bobcats are just 4 games out of 8th), and I know the schedule is not in the Bobcats favor, but they played better on the road more recently. I also like how Felton & Okafor have been playing and I think sticking with a starting 5 of Felton, Richardson, Wallace, Okafor, and Mohammad will do the team good: 1) because I think it is the best starting lineup 2) I think some continuity with the same starting 5 every night will help the team to improve; Vincent simply changes his rotation & minutes around too often, which effects the players especially Carroll

Call me crazy to still believe in a playoff appearance, but I honestly think it is still possible. At least I don't believe Primoz is better than Nazr though.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 15, 2008 1:22:07 AM

PS Nazr is under contract for 3 years after this season, not "another 4." Once again you are wrong and thus your credibility when it comes to Bobcats analysis goes down.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 15, 2008 1:25:56 AM

Nazr Mohammed will play for us in: 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011. I'm not a doctor, but that seems like four to me.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 2:30:24 AM

vincent has to go. michael jordan needs to make better decisions. they only need okafor, wallace and richardson in the team. felton is a good guard but they need a real pointguard, someone who can lead the young team (and follow the coach's play at that). also, they can try playing mohammed alongside okafor in the starting lineup. id like to see what happens...

Posted by: louie | Feb 15, 2008 5:07:13 AM

If you've been watching the Bobcats, Louie, you'd KNOW what happens with Okafor and Mohammed in the lineup together. They're 3-10 with them starting together.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 10:15:59 AM

I wonder if a trade is in the works with some of our other expiring contracts? I guess we'll find out by Thurs.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 15, 2008 11:12:59 AM

On the Nazr trade, some stats:

Primoz/fabio before trade:
PPG-5.8
RPG-4.3
APG-0.5
MPG-23.6

Nazr after the trade:
PPG-10.3
RPG-7.6
APG-1.3
MPG-24.9

With Nazr we get almost double the production in the same amount of minutes.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 15, 2008 11:55:50 AM

Uhh...we're paying him twice as much...we should be. It's not like it's helped the team get any better.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 12:59:11 PM

Enough of the insightless (since none of you are"insiders" to the Bobcats) debate...lets get a new blog going on our boy Sean "Shamu" May...with all this intellectual firepower on this blog...do you think we can trade this whale? Is he going to go back in the water only to end up on the beach for 40-50 games next year? Come on...lets give some fair air time to the Big Fish...whats ya think?

Posted by: mike | Feb 15, 2008 1:11:14 PM

You knew when the bobcats took on all those big player contracts,they where going to get cheap on the new coach and now we see the results the team is worse then last year. He makes Bernie look like a genius.

Posted by: noah | Feb 15, 2008 1:51:55 PM

Procton you said "ANOTHER 4." Those words would imply that that he is on the team for this season, which has already began, and an additional 4 seasons beyond that. So yeah you're no doctor (shouldn't you have said mathematician?), but you are a dumb ass!

Posted by: Q? | Feb 15, 2008 3:04:06 PM

Atlanta apparently has interest in Carroll. I hope that we don't trade him, but who on the Hawks do you think we would move him for? I look at their roster and either don't want a guy or know that the Hawks wouldn't give up a guy.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 15, 2008 3:15:15 PM

Q: you wouldn't want Zaza Pachulia??? He'd be a fantastic complement to Okafor in the post, and he only gets paid $4,000,000 the next two years. As long as we get an upgrade over Othella Harrington, I don't see how that wouldn't be an AWESOME trade. Maybe we could throw in Harrington, too, since they'd probably want to take our roster flexibility to balance things out.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 6:07:20 PM

Procton, please learn to read. I said "I look at their roster and either don't want a guy or know that the Hawks wouldn't give up a guy."

Zaza falls into the second category because I don't think they would give him up for Carroll, especially when they lack depth inside.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 16, 2008 12:18:52 AM

It was a stupid move to remove Bickerstaff as head coach. At least the team improved each year under his direction. Now we've taken two steps backwards.

Posted by: Aggiedecks | Feb 16, 2008 10:46:29 AM

Hope we dont trade with the Hawks . Hope we talk to the Sonics , Raptors , Denver .

Posted by: SpaceJam | Feb 16, 2008 4:31:22 PM

You must be joking. Pachulia is garbage. I'm glad you're not our GM. You'd have a terrible team with 8 old players, just as long as they have height and experience at center.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 16, 2008 4:31:49 PM

I know Zaza isn't great, but I still don't think the Hawks would give him up for Carroll because they lack inside presence. Zaza averaged 11.7pts and 7.9rebs in 05-06 and 12.2 and 6.9 in 06-07 so he has shown that he can be effective. This year he hasn't played well, but Pachulia still would be an upgrade over Othella.

If it were up to me to make a trade with the Hawks, I would try to get Pachulia for Harrington, but not for Carroll. That would just be dumb. I love Carroll. Also, if I were GM Paul Silas would most likely be the coach.

FYI: The Hawks just traded for Mike Bibby and gave up center Lorenzen Wright and forward/center Shelden Williams, which makes them smaller inside. Zaza is more important to the team now too, so I definitely don't think they would move him for Carroll now.

This trade definitely doesn't help the Bobcats since the Hawks now have a legit pg.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 16, 2008 5:53:33 PM

How did we let that happen.....we could have sent Felton and Carroll and Hollins to the Kings for Bibby....we just miss a great opportunity...The Hawks played us....They didnt want no Carroll....and they got Bibby instead...uh uh....OMG Bibby was it since I sure thought LeBron would get since Kidd looks to be headed for the Mavs... So LeBron has to be hurting more....but man Bibby would have been nice...

Posted by: Bobcat Fan D | Feb 16, 2008 8:54:31 PM

BFD, it seems like all the Kings were really looking for was expiring contracts (Wright, Lue, and Johnson with Williams to balance out the salary gap.) I remember we used to have a couple of those. Whoops. Oh well. Nazr Mohammed fits on this team much better than Mike Bibby would have. Just ask Q.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 16, 2008 11:27:36 PM

No way would the Kings have taken Primoz and Herrmann for Bibby if you are suggesting that. Not only does the talent not add up, the salaries wouldn't match either. Also, Felton is only in his 3rd year with plenty of the season left and the team isn't ready to give up on him yet, which is the right move.

If we could have somehow gotten Bibby, which I doubt, I assume Felton would have to go and it would have been dumb. Bibby, 29 (turns 30 in May), is owed 13.5 million this year and 14.5 million next year. Assuming he can't opt out of his contract after the 1st year, you have Bibby for two year and then what? Most likely, he leaves Charlotte for a contender (if we aren't one) or a bigger market. So we end up renting Bibby for 2 seasons and get older faster and lose cap space to make other moves like re-signing Emeka. And if Felton stays in Charlotte and we still get Bibby, then Felton is relegated to back-up and doesn't get the playing time to develop and really figure out if he can lead this team or not.

Now Procton, I know what you will say. You think Felton is a joke and has already proven he can't lead this team, but I say that he has shown potential to be a very good point guard and he still needs more time to be adequately judged. Since the team's inception & Felton's arrival this roster hasn't had a lot of continuity and has had a lot injuries and a new coach/system so give Felton time.

Bibby is a heck of a player though. I remember him hitting like 10 3's in Sac against us last year. He definitely makes Atl a lot better especially in the offense they run.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 17, 2008 12:25:47 AM

Hey Procton, why would we have gone for Bibby when we have the great Jeff McInnis?

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 18, 2008 9:35:01 AM

I think there have been unrealistic expectations for this team. The best they could have done this year is sneak in the playoffs this year with a sub-500 record because we are in the East. I don't think that is best for the team long term. The Bobcats need another lottery pick, preferably a PG or PF, to correct past lottery misses. Nonetheless, the team is only one game off of last year's pace. The difference is expectations.

One major difference in the team this year is the constant settling for outside jumpers. Richardson makes us a better jump shooting team and Wallace has improved in that area. However, this is part of the problem. The Bobcats have forgotten about Okafor and any other part of an inside game. A major part of Bernie's offense was to post up Wallace. Where has that gone? Instead the Bobcats have turned into a drive and kick team looking for 3's. This problem and the Jeff McInnis at PG issue are coaching issues that must be addressed. If they can't be corrected under Sam Vincent, we will have no choice but to find a coach who can.

Posted by: Adcoop | Feb 18, 2008 11:07:36 AM

You know what, give up on Carroll in this system, it just wont work. The bobcats tune their style in the way phoenixe runs. And as you can see there is no Carroll's on that team. ++++What I mean by that for the idiots who will argue, carroll is one demensional, all you are getting from him is shooting. But everything else hurts your team. (Now I love Carroll personally we spoke during my documentary filming.) but when he is on the floor you get great shooting percentage. but you lose perimeter defense, one on one defense, guard rebounding, toughness, taking it to the basket. All those you need in the last 4 min of the game. NOW ARGUE THAT.

And those holding his coat tail saying if only giving the minute, if only he was starting. When Dudley is givin the same or less minutes his production is 2x as good. Now holla.

I think that is why Sam Vincent wont play him, every coach love a multi-faceted player and matt is not that. Sorry fellows.

On the bobcats, player personel is not the issue, its team chemistry. They dont know what they are playing for they just go and the court and play. And they have to be playing for the same thing. +LIKE+ When felton made that prediction the last 2 years of going to the playoffs. It was all about improving then. Now that they improved there is no goal. They should let felton be who he is a combo guard. Dont tell him "okay, today you will be the pg" no tell him to get the ball and go create. And everyone will follow. If you pg is confused where are you going. The pg is the head of VOLTRON period. You have to trust him, he did help his college team to a championship.

Posted by: T-Dub | Feb 18, 2008 12:03:24 PM

Jeff McInnis is probably the worst player in the NBA. Yet he starts for our team. I wonder why we can't win...

Posted by: Jeff McInnis | Feb 18, 2008 12:12:51 PM

Because he has a better understanding of running an NBA offense than Raymond Felton EVER will.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 18, 2008 5:23:33 PM

Procton, your bad analysis of Felton and saying that McInnis is so much better, amuses me.

Posted by: Q? | Feb 18, 2008 7:00:05 PM

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