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June 04, 2008
Could Moe join Brown with Bobcats?
As previously reported in the Observer, the Bobcats made it official that long-time Brown associate Dave Hanners has joined Phil Ford and Jeff Capel on the coaching staff. Brown indicated he has also talked to Cleveland Cavaliers point guard Eric Snow, former South Carolina coach Dave Odom and former NBA coach Brian Winters.
Posted by Observer Sports on June 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM | Permalink
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Is Dean Smith available?
Posted by: apauldds | Jun 4, 2008 12:16:07 PM
Bonnell, Any word on the rumor about Rasheed Wallace coming to Charlotte? ESPN's FirstTake mentioned the rumor was out there. Personally, I don't see what we could give up to make the deal work, but are we exploring the possibility?
Posted by: Trade? | Jun 4, 2008 12:36:57 PM
Mahktar Ndiaye can be head of community relations.
Just change the color of the uniforms to baby blue and stop the charade.
Posted by: TP | Jun 4, 2008 12:48:03 PM
And we could give Ed Cota and Joe Forte the chances they were denied to succeed.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jun 4, 2008 1:21:01 PM
I think we should get Dante Calabria to coach Morrison and Carroll, and maybe Donald "Nice Grill" Phelps to coach the point.
Posted by: Jimmy V | Jun 4, 2008 1:30:10 PM
my idea about the sheed trade was so bad bonnell wrote an article on it
Posted by: brendan | Jun 4, 2008 2:09:34 PM
Brendan, I do think it might be a possibility, although I'm not sure what you had going would ultimately get that deal done. I see a first rounder having to be given up. I could see a group of younger guys and our first in return for 'Sheed and a second rounder or future second. The only thing that gives it life is the expiring contract. We could take it on, get that push to the playoffs, and be done him, or somehow get him to re-sign for a slightly reduced rate. I would hate to part with Carroll though, if it comes to that. The one thing that is clear is that Dumars is hell-bent on reinvigorating that lineup and getting over the hump, and as you said they have some young talent that is ready to step into starting roles in Maxiell and Stuckey. It will be interesting to see how that Pistons team shakes out.
Posted by: go'cats | Jun 4, 2008 2:40:21 PM
Hey guys, I've got some free time on my hands. I could coach or sell hot dogs or something.
Posted by: Serge Zwikker | Jun 4, 2008 4:55:10 PM
I think Detroit would be foolish to trade Rasheed. He might not have his head on right but his is a load on both ends that a team has to plan for. Name one player on our team that someone has to plan for.
He got a lot of praise from everyone in the league this year and was the sole reason why detroit one a championship that year.
I personally think coaching was their problem, most exemplified by the lack of proper use of Richard Hamilton. If you watched that championship year, they ran him on curl after curl.
Posted by: Bonnell = Procton | Jun 4, 2008 5:02:52 PM
I mean, why don't we give Ed Cota and Joe Forte a chance too. Geez.
Posted by: Harold Gogonards | Jun 4, 2008 8:57:13 PM
brendan, your post didn't lead to the article. ESPN mentioning the idea did.
Posted by: Trade? | Jun 4, 2008 9:01:03 PM
Wow, I don't even know where to begin B=P. 'Sheed was the sole reason they won the championship that year? Not playing great team defense, or out hustling the Lakers, or Tayshaun Prince, or Chauncey Billups, or Rip Hamilton? All Rasheed Wallace? Hmm...my lasting memory of those NBA Finals were not of a man putting a team on his back, rather a revitalization of great team basketball and selflessness. Joe Dumars even said: "everybody's in play. There are no sacred cows here." So, I'm pretty sure 'Sheed is gone, especially with his age and cap figure. And why on earth was lack of coaching an issue? Flip Saunders has the highest winning percentage of any Pistons coach with 2+ years of service. Did he squander a 10 point lead in game 6? Did he come out flat in the first round against an under-matched Sixers team? Coaching only goes so far if the players aren't receptive and don't play with a sense of urgency. And you're borderline crazy if you think they lost because they weren't running Rip on a curl endlessly. I agree with Dumars' thinking. Eventually, when you come close year after year but continue to fall short, you have to let players know nothing is guaranteed and create some hunger again.
Posted by: go'cats | Jun 4, 2008 9:02:41 PM
hmmm... what sense does rasheed coming to charlotte have? rasheed, though i love my heels, is a head case and was that even in his days at UNC. rasheed on a young team in portland was out of control and caused the team to go under and rework the entire roster because of his virus. sheed goes to detroit with established vets and is under control.
sheed + young players in charlotte = a destructive senario that brown would never be able to control.
that being said Bob Johnson has the nerve to raise ticket prices by 30% after a loosing season, but may be willing to flush 20+ million down the drain on sheed and all of the other young players he takes down with him! you have to be kidding. someone here please explain what is sheeds value on the court to our team?
Posted by: JeffUNC | Jun 4, 2008 9:36:24 PM
It is being reported that the name of the team will become The TarCats next season.
Did anyone hear the quote for our owner Robert Johnson today. He said that he has spoken with Barak Obama and told him that he should pick Hillary to be his VP. This is not a joke it was on sirius radio today.
It is good to know Bob has time for everything except our poor team that he owns. I guess we are dependent on Mike and All Mike's Friends.
Woody Durham will be the new radio man next year. Do we even have a radio team?
I sure am glad it is almost time for football.
Posted by: ben | Jun 4, 2008 10:02:57 PM
Dough Moe , On the coaching staff . Would be great . Hope Larry Brown could talk to Dough Moe and bring him on board on the Bobcats Coaching Express . This is really exciting . To have Dough Moe on the Bobcats coaching staff. Dough Moe wants to win and do it the right way . Larry Brown & Dough Moe . Are the 2 mosting exciting one on the coaching staff.
Posted by: Bobcats3 | Jun 5, 2008 8:20:18 AM
JeffUNC: Rasheed only brings value if he plays along with Okafor. That tandem could be scarry. Add in the fact that he's an expiring and things get interesting. The big problem would be what we would have to give up. If we end up trading Mek or Crash, then the deal stinks.
Posted by: apauldds | Jun 5, 2008 8:30:01 AM
are you saying that:
felton
carroll
jrich
rasheed
okafor
is not better than:
Felton
jrich
wallace
(unknown)
okafor
I'd take the first team in a heartbeat. we'd have atleast 3 outside threats and now a pick n pop pf that can defend the rashad lewis's and chris bosh's of the world.
Who wouldn't make that trade instantly? (not to say that g wall would really fit in detroit as he is pretty much a poor man's prince)
Posted by: Bonnell = Procton | Jun 5, 2008 3:05:30 PM
Wallace is a "poor man's" Tayshaun Prince? Sure, aside from the fact that he's a better scorer, defender, rebounder, and playmaker. Other than that, Prince is a MUCH better player.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jun 5, 2008 3:44:49 PM
You'll have to prove Wallace is much better than prince in any of those categories.
But if true, then heck, give me prince too, they can have G wallace. Prince will stick to what he's good at and Detroit can have the "amazing playmaker" G wallace.
You didn't answer the question, you don't think the first lineup is lightyears better than the second?
Posted by: Bonnell = Procton | Jun 5, 2008 4:56:39 PM
OK...before we get started, it should be noted that Prince and Wallace have both averaged an identical 35.0 MPG since becoming starters.
OK...in five seasons as a starter, Prince has scored 13.3 PPG, including a career high of 14.7 in 04-05. In four seasons as a starter, Wallace has scored 15.9 PPG, including a career high of 19.4 in 07-08, but he also scored more than 14.7 points in both 05-06 and 06-07.
As a starter, Prince has averaged .67 SPG and .65 BPG (1.32 combined), with career highs of .77 SPG (03-04) and .87 BPG (04-05) and a career high combined average of 1.61 (03-04.) Wallace has averaged 2.05 SPG and 1.29 BPG, with career highs of 2.51 SPG and 2.09 BPG (both 05-06, so combined average of 4.60.)
As a starter, Prince has averaged 4.9 RPG, with a career high of 5.3 in 04-05. In four seasons as a starter, Wallace has scored 6.5 RPG, including a career high of 7.5 in 05-06.
As a starter, Prince has averaged 2.7 APG, with a career high of 3.3 in 07-08. In four seasons as a starter, Wallace has scored 2.4 APG, but recorded a career high of 3.5 in 07-08 while also recording a career high in PPG.
And no, the first lineup is not better. You may believe they can score better, but that lineup will also get scored on at will. That lineup includes two well-below average defensive players in Felton and Carroll, one below-average defender in Richardson when guarding SFs, one average defender in 'Sheed, and one elite defender in Okafor. The second includes one well-below average defender in Felton, two average defenders in Richardson vs. SGs and my choice for PF, Darrell Arthur, one above-average defender in Wallace vs. SFs, and one elite defender in Okafor.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jun 5, 2008 6:40:52 PM
You undersell felton again. I know he can be an above average defender. Brevin, who I'm sure you think was an amazing defender was terrible. You'll point to steals, but steals aren't everything. Like a cornerback gambling for an interception, he gambled and spent time pickpocket C's and PF's in the post, leaving his man wide open.
Okafor also benefits from being oversold in his defensive ability because of his block record. But who does he really match up well with on the defensive end? he's too small to bang with your traditional power centers and way too slow for your chris boshs of the world. Also, even if you were to believe his block numbers make up for everything, that is equalled out by the fact that he has more of his own shots blocked than any other person in the league. And if i'm not mistaken, I think it is at the exact same pace (ie-he has 2 blocks a game and gets two shots blocked a game). Now that's one embarrassing stat.
This isn't to say that I think felton is a better defender, obvious he isnt'. Just that your catorgization was, in my opinion, incorrect that that Felton is at least an average defender and okafur is at best an above average defender.
So, I don't think my lineup would be nearly as bad on D as you think, and would be considerably better than the wizards or knicks at D.
The O, though, would be a well oiled machine with shooters clearing the lane and a pick and pop pf. That's a good enough equation to make some noise in the playoffs.
Posted by: Bonnell = Procton | Jun 6, 2008 10:54:59 AM
They'd be better on defense than two of the worst teams in the league? Awesome. Now there's a selling point.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jun 6, 2008 11:54:04 AM
For what its worth I did add the word "considerable". I don't know how good they'd be defensively and so don't want to put top 5 D out there. However, I think the d would be more than adequate considering the O they'd have.
Posted by: Bonnell = Procton | Jun 6, 2008 3:03:40 PM
I'm not going to engage in the majority of the argument, but Wallace is NOT a better defender than Tayshaun Prince.
Posted by: jperry | Jun 6, 2008 4:30:41 PM
Procton, why don't you refer to your other ratings to assess Felton as a defender? b/c they would all call you wrong. The same way they would call out Wallace's high risk defense as great for fantasy numbers but not as good as Prince's.
Posted by: jperry | Jun 6, 2008 4:35:04 PM
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