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June 27, 2008
Few exempt from trade discussions
It might be too strong to say the Bobcats' Gerald Wallace is being shopped. It sure wouldn't be too strong to say his name is in play. The Bobcats were in serious discussions with the Toronto Raptors about a deal that could have swapped Wallace for T.J. Ford. It didn't happen, but that's the clearest indication yet how active the Bobcats are in seeing what their players might bring in trade. I assure you Wallace isn't alone. Raymond Felton could be moved, and so could just about anyone else with perhaps the exception of Jason Richardson. That's what happens sometimes when you make over the coaching staff. New management wants to start over, and the Bobcats ate up a lot of salary-cap room the past year to re-sign Wallace and Matt Carroll and add Richardson and Nazr Mohammed. Stay tuned.
Posted by rbonnell on June 27, 2008 at 09:46 AM | Permalink
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Why the hell would you do a trade of Wallace for TJ Ford????
That is absolutely absurd!!!!!! That would have been a awful deal for us and I don't even understand why we would consider it.
Second, I understand that guys could be traded, but don't you think you could be blowing this out of proportion Bonnell?
Lots of team assess the trade value of their players leading up to the draft.... I feel like the Bobcats are a playoff team if they are healthy so why completely re-do the roster?
Give them one more year with these guys and if it doesn't work out then you can lets guys go. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Yeah? | Jun 27, 2008 10:02:40 AM
Why the hell would you do a trade of Wallace for TJ Ford????
That is absolutely absurd!!!!!! That would have been a awful deal for us and I don't even understand why we would consider it.
Second, I understand that guys could be traded, but don't you think you could be blowing this out of proportion Bonnell?
Lots of team assess the trade value of their players leading up to the draft.... I feel like the Bobcats are a playoff team if they are healthy so why completely re-do the roster?
Give them one more year with these guys and if it doesn't work out then you can let guys go. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Yeah? | Jun 27, 2008 10:04:09 AM
The Bobcats FINALLY listened to what I said last night and made the right moves, so here's hoping they listen again:
DON'T TRADE ANYONE.
YOU HAVE NOW FIXED THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE HAD LAST SEASON.
We have a competent coach that can teach and lead, and we now have a pass-first PG that is a born-leader that makes his team mates better.
THOSE WERE OUR TWO BIGGEST PROBLEMS.
THEY ARE NOW FIXED.
GO INTO THE SEASON WITH THIS TEAM. Hopefully puruse some PF options through FA, with our MLE.
IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT, THEN LOOK TO TRADE PEOPLE DURING THE SEASON. DON'T TRADE THEM NOW. YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR ONCE, DON'T SCREW IT UP BY DISMANTLING THE TEAM.
DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TRADING WALLACE. RE-SIGN OKAFOR. KEEP THIS TEAM AS IT IS, UNTIL YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE IT PERFORM. DON'T BE STUPID.
Posted by: Will | Jun 27, 2008 10:07:08 AM
Should've gotten CDR...
Posted by: Grant | Jun 27, 2008 10:13:47 AM
I can certainly understand them wanting to move Felton, which makes sense, and Gerald could be traded if it were for someone a little better than T.J. Ford
Posted by: matt | Jun 27, 2008 10:15:40 AM
Will, as you can probably tell from my post, I agree with you.
TRADE NO ONE!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Yeah? | Jun 27, 2008 10:31:22 AM
Will, why do you consider Augustine a pass first PG? Is it because he took more shots than anyone else on his team last season? Is it because he led them in scoring? I think DJ is a fine offensive player and a good floor leader, although he is absolutely terrible on the defensive end. I just think people need to quit calling him a pass first PG. Also, look at his matchups against other top PGs, he usually doesn't fare too well. In the NCAA elite 8 game against Memphis, Rose scored a smooth 21 on 7-10 shooting and racked up 9 assists. Augustine shot 4-18 and had only 3 assists and 4 turnovers. Not very good numbers in the biggest game of the season for a pass-first PG.
Posted by: Mason | Jun 27, 2008 10:43:21 AM
It's easier to start with a clean slate guys. Players get stuck in their ways, and if somehow we go even younger, that might even work better for this team as some of Brown's best work was done with a young Clipper's team back in the day, not to mention a NCAA championship. I get the feeling, like it or not, that Brown has big plans to mold Augustin into a star guard in this league, and he also has other plans to make this roster look like what he wants and get guys that are going to play his way. I have been a strong proponent of giving Felton one last chance, but I must admit, this isn't a bad idea. Brown has his image on the line, as does MJ, and Brown getting another job depends on winning here. They aren't going to have a fire sale, I simply see Brown taking what works and dealing away what doesn't, which might be alot or nothing at all.
Posted by: mountaineerdynAsty | Jun 27, 2008 10:48:12 AM
I agree that Wallace is expendable if we get the right player back, but we are so lucky that Toronto wanted and extra pick to make the deal happen. What would the Bobs have looked like w/ Ford? Would he have ever gotten along w/ LB?
Will, we didn't fix all our problems. The coach and the PG situation does look better now but we really rolled the dice on our front court problems. Best guess is that will be a disaster.
Posted by: Jared | Jun 27, 2008 10:50:26 AM
BOBCATS once again are stupid! look at who had the best draft NJ NETS we gave them Brook LOPEZ and CDR, weaver couldnt even play good against unc in the tourney, once again MJ needs to go
Posted by: bobby | Jun 27, 2008 10:50:43 AM
check out any of his stats against good pg's that year. He was toasted vs. Mich St and their freshman pg.
Say what you want about felton, he never had a pg get the better of him.
And they keep talking about a pass first pg...they are the ones who made him an sg! tell him to pass and give him someone to pass to and you'll get your pass first pg!
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jun 27, 2008 10:54:45 AM
Mason,
Augustine lead his conference in assists and played on a team that needed him to shoot. I think you need to look at the whole picture.
Posted by: Jared | Jun 27, 2008 10:57:59 AM
Bobby must be the only person on the planet not happy about Brook Lopez coming to Charlotte. Portland ends up w/ Arthur at 27 and Bayless. I think they had the better draft.
Posted by: Jared | Jun 27, 2008 11:01:36 AM
I'm not the only one thinking the augustin pick was stupid (Sport's Guy Draft diary):
5:24: Our first stunner of the night: Charlotte reaching for D.J. Augustin at No. 9, followed by a shot of a devastated Brook Lopez in the stands. Hey, any time you have a chance to grab a career backup with the ninth pick, you gotta do it.
(Do you think Charlotte's war room is located on the ninth hole at MJ's golf course? Like, it's basically him on his cell phone and two other guys on Treos trying to rush the pick in before they sneak in nine more holes? The Bobcats might be the worst-run franchise in the league. And that's saying something. If MJ's Bulls career was like Ted Danson's run on "Cheers," then his Wizards comeback was "Becker," and this current Bobcats debacle is definitely "Help Me Help You.")
5:26: Stu explains Augustin is only 5-foot-11, but he has the wingspan of someone who's 6-3½. Well, that changes everything! At the very least, he's wearing the most interesting outfit tonight: a gray suit with a purple shirt and a pink tie. That will be a good look for him when he's Charlotte's 13th man next season.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jun 27, 2008 11:10:22 AM
Bonnell, thanks for the info. I can see why they wanted a point guard, but I can't understand giving up a future 1st round for a guy that's not even going to come here for a few years with the 20th pick. If the Cats are trying to make moves to win now, why get a guy in the French league who only averages 5 points and 5 boards?
Posted by: Irony | Jun 27, 2008 11:11:28 AM
nba rules state 12 men are allowed on the active roster during games. which leads me to questions about the roster as it stands the day after the draft.
PG felton, augustine
SG richardson, morrison, weaver
SF wallace, carrol, dudley
PF okafor, may, davidson
C mohammad
(harrington, anderson, hollins, boykins are not back from last year, and ajinca will not play for next years team, instead growing overseas)
players can be stashed on the injured list(2 or 3 i think) but who are we planning on being the back up center? is brown expecting players to play two positions? maybe so, but this is a risk if left as is. i expect a free agent to come in but the list above is 12, were does that player fit? i expect changes to be made.......
Posted by: brendan | Jun 27, 2008 11:17:09 AM
HAHAHA
Felton never got owned?...Does anyone remember his Freshmen season against Jason Williams or his Junior season against Christopher Paul...Felton is a joke...
Ask Kevin Durant or Lamarcus Aldridge what they think of Augustin. They'll back him up. As far as Ajinca, watch the workout he had with Hibbert and he owned him. He can shoot, dribble and that's a lot more than slow me down hibbert can do. And he's coming this year, mark my words. He wouldn't have been at the draft if he wasn't going to play here next year.
Weaver was one of Bilas's sleepers and he is very much compared to Rajon Rondo. Rondo never had a shot until he got coaching and now look, he's a starter for the World Champions.
For the Bill Simmons comment, I love Bill Simmons but he also said Josh Smith would be terrible and said Emeka Okafor would be better than Dwight Howard (HA), hated the Ray Allen trade for his own celtics and questioned Kevin Garnett all year until he won the championship for the Celtics. He's the same guy that said DeLonte West was the biggest sleeper of his draft (partly because he went to the Celtics).
If y'all knew anything about basketball, you would see a turnover prone PG (Felton)is not what Larry Brown needs. Augustin (yes took the most shots on his team because he was the best player) is a pass first pg. He was coveted by Sacramento and Portland. This was a great draft in my opinion and if we can get rid of Felton would make it that much better.
Everyone questioning this draft are the same people that get mad when we draft local guys so we go outside the box and now you're mad too.
MJ, send Wallace for a 4 or a non-injury prone 3 and we might be a top team next year.
Posted by: Dougie | Jun 27, 2008 11:25:27 AM
brendan,
Carrol plays SG not SF, you could have J-Rich at Sg/SF though.
Posted by: Oh...We suck again! | Jun 27, 2008 11:44:46 AM
Wow Dougie, he was coveted by two teams drafting in the 12-14 range, not drafting in the 8-10 range. I'm glad that two teams drafting a few picks behind us wanted our guy. Yay for us!
I'm sorry, look at Felton in college and that is a pass first PG. Augustine has never been a pass first PG, even when he had Durant. We all know Augustine was absolutely owned by Rose (4-18 shooting as he could not shake free of Rose and at 5-11 could not shoot over anyone) but look at the rest of the NCAA tourney, Augustine didn't have a single good game. His team needed him to shoot, so he shot I guess. Still don't know how you would call him a pass first PG but I guess that is what you do when you have a 5-11 PG who plays terrible defense.
And Felton was forced to shoot b/c our offensive execution was terrible, Wallace can't shoot and likes to dribble the ball for 15 seconds before passing it out, and our post players have zero post moves. Until we solve those problems, whoever our PG is will be forced to shoot. Lets just hope his performance against Rose isn't an indication of how he will perform against most NBA PGs.
We should have drafted Bayless who was the top talent on the board. Bayless could have played both the Point and SG positions and in the least we could have traded him for more assets.
Posted by: Mason | Jun 27, 2008 11:45:54 AM
Oh and one more thing Dougie boy, Augustine had less than a 2-1 assist to turnover ratio, wow he is not turnover prone at all. Meanwhile, someone like Ty Lawson, who runs a fast break offense, so he should have more turnovers, actually had a 2.35 assist to turnover ratio.
Hopefully we trade Felton and get someone decent in the post. However, Augustine is going to need a lot around him in order to be an effective player due to him being a complete liability on the defensive end.
Posted by: Mason | Jun 27, 2008 11:56:13 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/player/Matt-Carroll?statsId=3785
he can be both, so can richardson, but i guess this goes back to the topic i was getting at in my earlier post. larry brown has his fingers all over the upcoming roster, with players sacrificing themselves and playing 2 positions a lot. i theroy this is not a bad idea, getting the we not me vibe going, but it can creat unwanted injuries from out of positino play, thus crippling the roster because if one guy is to play 2 spot and that guy is hurt, then what.
example: wallace or okafor blow out a knee, both these guys will be expected to play two spots(a lot). then you have no (good) starting PF or SF, and no (effective) back up C or SG/SF/PF. playing more then one spot works in the NFL, not the NBA because the size of the roster is large. the NBA requires team to make sure the ducks are in a row before the season starts, for if injuries occur, then most seasons go south. see last year for the bobcats. team expect may to be spot starter at pf and primary back up PF and he goes down and this bring in (in part) a mohammad kinda player thats helpful but not necessary. same with morrison, expected to fight for a starting spot or score alot from the bench at SG and SF, goes down and team has to play oldy goldy derek anderson a lot.
Posted by: brendan | Jun 27, 2008 12:08:45 PM
Geesh! And NO WONDER people dont want to play here...my goodness! You are bashing our first round draft pick BEFORE HE EVEN PUTS ON A JERSEY!! He won the award for the nations TOP PG..not D.Rose! and D.Rose is a great player but not even he shined in EVERY game..damn even Kobe got shut down before..
The guy is what we needed, a true PG that can create his own shot, which is pretty reliable btw..I have been to plenty of Cats games and seen Ray either turn down the open 3 or have me clinging to my seat praying it goes in somehow..plus a lil competition may actually INCREASE Ray's play and be the motivator he needs...
Who the hell is Brook Lopez?? Why would anyone be upset over not choosing him?? Is he going to be Amare, Dwight, Bosh? Doubt it..last thing we need is a 7-foot slug people..the league is not predicated on 7 footers anymore..the Celts just won a title with Kendrick Perkins for goodness sakes!!
I did want to snatch Arthur or a big man that I actually HEARD ABOUT at 20 but hey...lets see how this works out though b4 we officially declare him Frederick "Vince jumped over me" Weis or any other foreign bum....
Not bad this year..I would say B-
Posted by: Bobcat Terry | Jun 27, 2008 12:25:03 PM
Hey Bonnell,
Any truth to the rumor that the Bobcats and Knicks are talking about a Raymond Felton for David Lee trade? What do your sources (other than ESPN Insider or Google) say?
Posted by: The Doctor | Jun 27, 2008 12:49:06 PM
Thank you Bobcat Terry, for the first sane comment on these boards. How can some of you call yourselves fans? You all simply bash every move our organization makes. Some of these NBA organizations have been through many and much more years of disaster than we have had to deal with. Yet their fans still stick by them, consistently.
For once, think realistically. Are we going to win the NBA championship next season? No. Are we going to be an elite team in the league next season? No. But Larry Brown is the perfect coach to come into this organization to set a standard that our teams can continue in the future to get to that level. We have youth who can develop and are getting better and better each year. Don't be so quick to dismiss players. Its a new coach, new staff, and new ideas. Let them work and then you can judge again, rather than complain about a kid that you don't even know. Hell, Utah wasn't exactly thrilled when Deron Williams was selected a couple of years ago and he blossemed into a star.
Be a real fan and stick by your team no matter what move we make. Until then, go complain somewhere else.
Posted by: True Fan | Jun 27, 2008 12:56:06 PM
yall think yall got it bad? I'm a lifelong Redskins fan and a newcomer Bobcats fan.
Redskins troubles far outweight what the Cats have had to deal with in their short history.
Posted by: Grant | Jun 27, 2008 1:14:30 PM
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