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July 23, 2008
Rule will complicate any Okafor trade
As if this Emeka Okafor situation won’t get complicated enough already, I’m told by front-office folk from two other NBA franchises that an NBA salary-cap rule – base-year compensation – makes it challenging to trade a restricted free agent for fair value.
Base-year compensation hasn’t been much of an issue here because both of Charlotte’s NBA franchises – the Hornets, then the Bobcats – tend to be frugal, which means they’re often under the salary cap. That typically reduces the impact of base-year comp.
Here’s the deal, in as simple a way as I can explain this: When a player signs a contract that dramatically raises his salary (as Okafor seemingly would in any sign-and-trade), he can’t be traded for at least the next six months for a player of comparable salary.
Essentially a team acquiring Okafor would need the cap room to absorb his entire new salary, while sending back roughly half that to the Bobcats.
Of course, there are ways around this: Teams can add other players into a trade to balance the salaries. Or Okafor could sign that one-year qualifying offer to facilitate a trade (although that creates other issues).
Bottom line: Both these front-office guys say base-year comp can only add to the complications of getting fair value, should the Okafor-Bobcats relationship end in a trade.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 23, 2008 at 09:41 AM | Permalink
Comments
This is true. More info availible at realgm.com. For an example, all the Sonics were able to get for Rashard Lewis was a conditional second-round pick. The bottom line is that the Bobbies need to sign Okafor, pretty much regardless of cost (and yes, I know he's got something to do with that.) The alternate options are very ugly.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 23, 2008 10:19:12 AM
So, assuming Okafor is only demanding $12 million a year, we would need to find a team that:
1) is interested in the trade
2) has player(s) that we're interested in receiving whose salaries amount to roughly $6 million
3) has roughly an additional $6 million in salary cap space available
Right?
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 10:24:53 AM
The Doctor, that sounds about right except that Mek would probably want 13+ mil from the team he's traded to.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 10:48:13 AM
Rumor has it that Josh Childress might play in Greece next year. I wonder if that would free up enough cap room to do a sign and trade Mek for Jsmoove.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 11:08:17 AM
That would be AWESOME! What could be better than adding ANOTHER wing and watching Atlanta rise to be a division power with Horford and Okafor going for 40-20 every time we played them?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 23, 2008 11:17:34 AM
Better than nothing. It's becoming obvious that Mek just wants out.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 11:33:06 AM
It's amazing that in one short summer MJ has managed to dis Mek, Crash and Felton. Who knows what he'll accomplish if he puts his mind to it.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 11:35:44 AM
mj must be taking notes from isaiah thomas.
Posted by: confused | Jul 23, 2008 11:45:47 AM
Don't forget using the 20th pick on a player that couldn't play more than 10 mins in a french league last year...
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 23, 2008 11:49:49 AM
Well it's official, J chill to Greece. Maybe Mek could join Primoz Brezec with Virtus Roma.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 12:01:10 PM
The Bobcats should not trade Okafor to a team in their division. I seriously doubt the Hawks would sign and trade Smith to a division foe. I really hope some of the Bobcats underachieving big men will step up this season. It looks like Okafor's days in Charlotte are numbered.
Posted by: Token | Jul 23, 2008 12:01:23 PM
2009/2010 starting lineup:
Augustin
Jrich
Dudley
Alexis
and........Tyler Hansbrough
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 12:04:29 PM
Hilarious apauldds!
I actually have it from a good source that we're going to trade J Rich, Wallace, and Okafor to get back into the 1st round of next year's NBA draft with our best scenario yet - 3 picks!
2009/2010 Starting Lineup:
Lawson
Felton
Ellington
May
Hansbrough
(Augustin comes in off the bench if Lawson gets tired, which he won't!)
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 12:31:50 PM
I have this rule figured out and know how to deal with it. Trust me. I said, if you are hard of hearing, trust me.
Posted by: Michael J | Jul 23, 2008 12:42:40 PM
How about Okafor to OKC for Collison and DJ White. They'd make a splash in their new home and we'd get one quality big and one guy with potential (real potential, not Hollins potential)
Posted by: BustaCat | Jul 23, 2008 1:07:04 PM
Why does everyone take yesterday's article as fact? There are no quotes, no real sources and no facts. It is speculation created because we haven't heard anything else. Maybe he is looking to leave, who knows. But this article does nothing to change my opinion on the situation.
Posted by: C | Jul 23, 2008 2:05:06 PM
Of course it's all speculation C. That's all anyone can do when you have an owner in D.C. who's more concerned about horse jumping and a president of basketball operations who can't be bothered because he has a tee time.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 2:16:19 PM
I can see a trade where we get back into the lottery, and since Okafor will be gone by the end of the season this will be the year the Bobcats get the #1 pick in the draft. And they will select Hansbrough, especially if UNC wins the National Championship and he wins MOP of the tourny. Then by mid season of the 09/10 season you will be able to hear a pin drop at TWC Arena. I am going to love every minute of it. It is what this town deserves for voting down an arena that would have kept the Hornets. Now watch Okafor go to another team and become an All-Star or a major factor in a team becoming a playoff power.
Posted by: knewt | Jul 23, 2008 2:47:04 PM
No one has any idea how the organization is handling this situation and they don't owe us any sort of explanation. Do you know how damaging it could be to both sides of the negotiations if information about the process was public knowledge? Until we hear something from either side, we shouldn't just assume the worst.
Posted by: C | Jul 23, 2008 2:48:31 PM
I'm not sure we've given Tom Suckenson enough. He is a terrible, terrible writer who thinks far more of himself than anyone else in the world.
I'd much rather have Bonnell than Tom. Hey, MIKE PERSINGERRRRRR, please stop Tom from writing those self congradulatory pieces of poo. He's terrible.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 23, 2008 2:55:34 PM
I agree. I also think that it is hilarious that people post as if they know what they are talking about when it comes to the Bobacts and constantly criticize them.
Let me ask you all something. Do you work 24/7? Does your job completely define you? The owner and MJ and everyone else have lives outside of work.
And fyi, MJ is in Charlotte more often than people realize.
Posted by: Yeah? | Jul 23, 2008 3:02:42 PM
C,
I'm glad that you're resolute and steadfast in your commitment to the truth, but loosen up a little would you? This is a fan forum, not a legal brief.
If we had to wait for credible insider information on Bonnell's blog before we could comment, this page would be perpetually empty.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 3:11:04 PM
On another blog I read we usually tend to believe the exact opposite of what Bonnell gets from his sources. Works most of the time.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 3:16:49 PM
knewt: we get it, you love okafor and hate the tarheels. you aren't happy the hornets left. the arena should have been built while shinn was in town. you think wallace and nazr are overpaid. felton can't run the offense. charlotte is not a sports city. you hate the observer.
write something new. your material is getting old.
Posted by: emeka who? | Jul 23, 2008 3:17:05 PM
Hey everybody:
Our best scenario right now is trying to re-sign Okafor to the best possible deal. And make a run at a FA (Restricted or Not) just like the Warriors did with Turiaf.
It would be nice to trade Okafor and somebody else for:
A. Harrington & A. Biendrins
or
C. Billups & R. Wallace
or
L. Deng & J. Noah
But that's not gonna happened given this rule that Rick just mentioned. so stop dreaming with impossible scenarios and lets stick with what we have.
PS: Please don't even think about drafting Hansbrough, unless he is the only guy left in the 2nd round. And just in case, I AM A TAR HEELS FAN, but this guy is no NBA Star.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 23, 2008 3:17:57 PM
So, Yeah?, we offered to start paying those appearance fees for MJ then?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 23, 2008 3:26:24 PM
Yeah? from what I've heard, most people in MJ's position do work practically 24/7. It's that demanding of a job, if you want it done right.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 3:31:32 PM
Yeah? makes a valid point about Jordan's presence in Charlotte. He may not do any press or public appearances, but he is here quite a bit. I have a good friend that works at the Westin, and by their account Jordan stays there about four times a month.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 3:31:38 PM
Mek becomes BYC when his new salary is 20% or more over his previous salary and we have to use Bird Rights to do it. Unless we drop under the cap during the season (we won't) then Mek will still be BYC even after he takes the QO and we work a S&T. After the season when he becomes a FA and before we take on more salary, we could S&T him using our capspace (we should be about 15 under) and he wouldn't be BYC.
The trick to get around this is fairly simple so far as trades because teams are allowed to get salaries within 125% of each other...just add another player.
BTW, it's a year, not six months. The rules state "A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later." The catch is teams can't even talk to FAs until July 1st, so it's almost always a year.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 23, 2008 3:38:25 PM
four times a month? are you kidding me?
That's what 1 day a week. I hope MJ can handle that rugged schedule at his age.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 3:43:38 PM
he has to stay somewhere when he's in town for golf.
Posted by: emeka who? | Jul 23, 2008 3:49:42 PM
I think "four times a month" was meant to imply four trips a month, some of which are more than a day, but I'll have to clarify with my source.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 4:00:10 PM
he really likes his golf
Posted by: emeka who? | Jul 23, 2008 4:02:14 PM
This blog is always empty. Most of the posters here are basically airheads and have nothing to offer. Except of course, smarta$$ or dumba$$ comments. Thank goodness
none of them go to games.
Posted by: bigDOG? | Jul 23, 2008 4:12:08 PM
Went to every game except 2 last season. But thanks for your thoughtful input bigDOG.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 23, 2008 4:18:13 PM
I'm a season ticket owner bigDOG? Do you have anything to offer bigDOG?
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 23, 2008 4:23:38 PM
This is bullcrap. Too much red tape and what ifs in professional sports these days. Greedy agents and greedy organizations ruin professional sports these days which has caused rules and regulations that make no sense except in those situations for when they were 1st introduced. College sports is still simple and fun for the most part which sports should only be that: simple and fun.
Posted by: tarpanthercats | Jul 23, 2008 4:47:14 PM
The main problem is that most of the people on the blog have already invested money in season tickets and are frustrated that the Bobcats can't get their act together. They have never listened to anybody about anything...just operated in a vacuum. Picked players against conventional wisdom and based on what they thought would woo the fans. They first sold the arena as the attraction and then sold the connection to the mysterious ghost MJ....never the team. Bottom line: no one wants to paid outrageous prices to see overpaid millionaires one half-step out of the concrete hood courts lose. And, if they are losers, we'd like to have hope. If you honestly think the Bobcats will come out on top of this Okafor deal, I have a few mountain lots I would like to sell you.
Posted by: Randy Alford | Jul 23, 2008 5:04:45 PM
how about we try to do a wallace and oak package for jeff green, wilcox, riduonour, and whoever else to match the salaries. Both teams would be in the good. Wilcox is highly underrated. Jeff green is very versatile and can score, rid can service as a 2nd or 3rd pg.
Posted by: cfaulk | Jul 23, 2008 5:18:50 PM
Randy, get educated and learn how to talk too.
Posted by: Grammar | Jul 23, 2008 7:15:58 PM
I think I may be of the opinion that we have to resign Okafor. Less than Dwight howard money, but how terrible will we be without any reliable post presence?
With Ok, we have everything but the athletic offensive PF. W/O him, we have no PF and no C.
Dam, what else will happen to this franchise? There was hope with LB, then with two first round picks. Then, they ignore immediate needs, piss off three starters with trade rumors, and might lose OK for 3 cents on the dollar
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 23, 2008 8:17:49 PM
I agree with you bonnell=procton in that w/o Okafor next season we will be truly awful, as in Miami last season w/o D Wade. I think Okafor is slightly over-rated by some on this blog, mainly Procton, but he is a good player and you have to look at the context of the rest of the team. Losing someone like J Rich would be a tough blow, but we have plenty of wing players to fill in. We have nothing inside in terms of post scoring, rebounding or defense. At least Okafor provides two out of the three, and not too many guys in the league provide all three.
Big question is, and this is contingent on Okafor resigning if we offer a very big deal, would we be better off overpaying and hurting our salary cap position in the future to keep Okafor (13-15 million per year) or would we be better off having a terrible season, getting a top 2-3 pick and having cap room next offseason to go after a big? (wow that was a really long sentence). We could get Griffin from Oklahoma who looks to be a stud PF and go after the best FA center. Of course, if we are terrible next season the Bobcats would probably have like 25 people attend the games, but just thought I would throw that out and see what you guys think.
Posted by: Mason | Jul 23, 2008 9:45:02 PM
WHY DO YOU EXPECT MJ TO WORK AS IF HE IS YOUR GM? He is Bob Johnson's partner not his employee who gets paid. He is part owner with veto rights like every other team owner.
Posted by: afan | Jul 24, 2008 1:20:07 AM
The problem with Okafor's wanting the same kind of deal as Howard is he is not as good as Howard, either offensively or defensively so he should expect to be paid less or in other words commensurate with his basketball ability. One would think someone who majored in finance at UCONN and claims to be good at math would understand that and take the completely fair deal offered to him.
Posted by: fromanothersite | Jul 24, 2008 7:10:26 AM
That's hilarious. Sorry Okafor, you are never going to get me. Nor do you deserve to.
Posted by: DwightHoward money | Jul 24, 2008 7:27:23 AM
afan, MJ is the president of basketball operations. That makes him an employee regardless of whether he gets paid. If he just wants to be a part owner, he should hire someone else to do that job.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2008 8:01:00 AM
Mason,
I understand this point, but I'm not sure we're in a position to wait. It's def. win now scenario with the Bcats. If we had picked up lopez or love or randolph, then picking up the kid for OK might round out our team nicely.
As is, we picked up another PG (though a 2nd pg was needed, but not as much) and a project PF that we may not see anything from for 3 years. Bcats don't have 3 yrs.
I really just don't know how they are going to make good on this situation.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 24, 2008 10:00:23 AM
Mason, here's the problem with that strategy: in the NBA, tanking is no guarantee. We could be the worst team in the league by ten games and miss Blake Griffin by three picks. We could have $50 million worth of cap space, and nobody could want to sign with a terrible ownership and a nonexistent fanbase in a town like Charlotte, which is hardly a hotspot for the NBA lifestyle.
afan, he's not just a partner. He's the manager of basketball operations. Danny Ainge, the MBO for the Celtics, is in Boston and working more than four times a month. Jim Paxson, the MBO for the Cavs, is in Cleveland and working more than four times a month. Oh, and neither of them have ever demanded appearance fees to show up to their team's functions.
fas, neither you nor anyone else has ever shown where Okafor said "I want Dwight Howard money (a max deal)" or anything like it. Okafor is now being offered less than $12 mil a year. Andrew Bogut, an inferior player, just got a deal worth $12.5. So what exactly is "completely fair" about the deal offered to him?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2008 10:00:51 AM
Procton,
Bogut does have a C game and a C body. I agree that Okafor is probably a better player for the rest of their careers, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a C in a PF's body which will always limit him.
But, unless they have something up their sleeve, I'd want them to do 12.5 a year for Okafor. The lottery has never been good to the Bcats (both in not getting high picks and in picks getting injuried) so I don't want to rely on it.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 24, 2008 10:07:45 AM
So what does everyone think is gonna happen? Right now I'm not sure if Mek is the one saying he wants out or if we are only hearing his agent speaking through Bonnell. Scenarios:
1. Long term contract
2. Mek signs QO and is UFA next summer.
3. Sign and Trade
4. Mek signs offer sheet from another team and the cats match.
5. Mek pulls a Silent Show Bob and holds out.
To me, I hope #1 happens, but who knows given LB's inclination to shake things up.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2008 10:45:51 AM
Agreed, hoping for #1, but not at 15 mill/yr.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 24, 2008 10:53:49 AM
Nobody's asking for $15 million. Not Okafor. Not even his greedy agent. I bet you Okafor and his agent just want Bogut money, not Dwight Howard money. Give him Bogut money and let's move on.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 11:16:46 AM
Yeah, I agree bonnel=procton and MP, tanking a season doesn't guarantee a top 3 pick and Blake Griffin and we are in a win now situation, as I conceded in my post. I was just throwing it out there as a viable option to think about in a worst case scenario.
I know Okafor passed on the $12MM a season offer last year, is there any indication that he would accept $13MM or is he hellbent on becoming UFA next season? When you discount his future earnings back to present value and add the fact that he would be playing for only $7MM this year doesn't make sense for him to wait to hit UFA unless he thinks he can earn 14-15. Getting an extra million or two a year on his 5 year contract plus the 7MM for this season discounted back to present value is actually less money than signing a $12MM contract now w/ the Bobcats. If anyone majored in finance or is in banking they understand the concept I am talking about. It just seems to me that Okafor thinks he is worth a max deal, or wants to leave the Bobcats.
Posted by: Mason | Jul 24, 2008 12:06:44 PM
The Portland Tribune (and ESPN NBA Rumors) reports:
The Blazers still must decide what to do with five players on their roster for the upcoming season – Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake, who both have team options for the ‘09-10 season, and potential free agents Martell Webster, Channing Frye and Ike Diogu.
“No matter what, we can call our own shot,” Pritchard says. “At the end of the year, we’ll have the choice to do what we want. If there’s a free agent we want to go after, we may have to pass on some of our own guys, but we’ll have the (salary-cap) room to get a more significant player. It gives us the flexibility to make our own decision.”
If Okafor doesn't take our offer, which should be the $12 millon/year offer we offered him a year ago, why don't we sign and trade Okafor to the Portland Trailblazers for Travis Outlaw and Ike Diogu.
I checked the salary implications and it works under NBA guidelines. Travis Outlaw is a young star in the making that gives us offense at the SF/PF spot and makes a mid-season trade of Gerald Wallace a possibility to free up some cap space or get a better PF. Ike Diogu is a rough and tumble PF that averaged 6 points a game in only 10 minutes of playing time. Okafor could be the defensive piece that Portland is missing to make a run at the playoffs, all the while mentoring Greg Oden.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 12:27:41 PM
That would make one scarry Portland team.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2008 12:39:03 PM
Outlaw may be a STATISTICAL star in the making, but he's NOT a PF, and he can't defend any position. Gerald Wallace all over again (minus the rebounding), and doesn't that get whined and complained about all the time?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2008 12:40:08 PM
When did you become a Travis Outlaw expert Procton?
My strategy with the Outlaw pickup would be that he would eventually (as soon as mid-season) replace Wallace, allowing us to trade Wallace to a team for a PF with upside or for an expiring contract. Like Wallace, he could sub in from time to time at PF, if the match ups are favorable. Outlaw is a similar player to Crash, except that he is younger, he doesn't require his offense to run out of isolation sets, and he doesn't crash to the floor at the end of every play. So, he'll probably be more effective and stay healthier over the long haul.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 12:57:05 PM
My strategy with the Outlaw pickup would be that he would eventually (as soon as mid-season) replace Wallace, allowing us to trade Wallace to a team for a PF with upside or for an expiring contract. Like Wallace, he could sub in from time to time at PF, if the match ups are favorable.
Outlaw is a similar player to Crash, except that he is younger, he doesn't require his offense to run out of isolation sets, and he doesn't crash to the floor at the end of every play. So, he'll probably be more effective and stay healthier over the long haul.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 12:58:42 PM
Sorry for the double post. The website is acting up, and editing my entries apparently. Persinger!!!
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 1:00:20 PM
"The problem with Okafor's wanting the same kind of deal as Howard is he is not as good as Howard, either offensively or defensively so he should expect to be paid less or in other words commensurate with his basketball ability. One would think someone who majored in finance at UCONN and claims to be good at math would understand that and take the completely fair deal offered to him."
fromanothersite,
Howard really isn't that good offensively. He has no post moves, he just is strong & powerful enough to dunk on everyone - many off of alley-oops. He is very turnover prone too!
Howard also isn't the defender that Okafor is. Sure Howard gets weak side help blocks, but that doesn't mean he is a good defender. He's actually more prone to get into foul trouble.
I don't know if Okafor is asking for too much money or not, but he isn't stupid. He knows that the Bobcats need him and that tht team has no interior D or low-post offense without him. My guess is that the team is waiting him out because they know he won't be getting any big offers from other teams.
Posted by: Yeah? | Jul 24, 2008 1:43:16 PM
I actually had Travis Outlaw on my championship fantasy team this year, and I watched quite a few of his games--certainly enough to become familiar with his game. Thanks for asking, though. He has a better jumpshot than Wallace (though not by THAT much), but he gets as much of his offense out of iso sets and one-on-one as Gerald, except he doesn't do it as well and he isn't as dynamic a finisher. Further, one of the main reasons Wallace can succeed as a PF (his REBOUNDING) is totally absent from Outlaw's game. Despite playing the vast majority of his minutes at PF, he only got 4 RPG. That's not gonna cut it.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2008 1:53:42 PM
Procton, Wallace can't succeed at PF b/c he refuses to play the position.
Yeah? I am not sure what you are talking about in terms of Howard. He has been working on his post moves and even without them is considered the top young C in the game. Last season, at age what 21 he had the third best PER of any C in the league, led the league in rebounding and averaged 21 ppg. With or without great post moves the guy is a beast an unstoppable at times.
And if he was so bad defensively, you would think that he would not be starting on the US olmpyic team. Instead he is the anchor and only solid post defender on that team.
Posted by: Mason | Jul 24, 2008 2:20:13 PM
Mason, I'm confused about your Olympics point. He's starting because he's the only legit American center who was willing to go to the Games. I'd say that LeBron, Kobe, and Carmelo are viewed much more as the "anchors" of that team than Howard. And Y? never said he was "bad defensively." He said that Okafor is a better fundamental post defender, which is true.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2008 2:26:56 PM
And no, at no point did Wallace "refuse" to play PF. He ASKED the staff not to use him primarily at PF, which seems reasonable to me.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2008 2:34:09 PM
Actually, I think the teams best current lineup has Wallace at the 4
Felton
Carrol
Jrich
Gwall
Okafor
G wall is not a very good offensive o but a good offensive pf. He can guard the athletic pf's everyone else has as well. The only downside is G wall gets pouty when it's not his way.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 24, 2008 2:48:31 PM
Ok so how are the bobcats going to screw this up? What's everyone's worst case scenario?
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2008 3:02:22 PM
They sign Okafor to a qualifying offer, freak out at the All-Star break because they're only 5 games out of the eight spot, and sure they won't be able to resign Okafor, trade him straight up to Chicago for Ben Wallace and his $30+ million/2 year contract, sacrificing even more offensive output down low.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 24, 2008 3:22:34 PM
Mine: We sign him to 5yrs, 13mil/yr, season/career ending injury during preseason, joins May and Morrison on the bench to watch us win 19 games and LB retire in shame.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2008 3:37:27 PM
Gentleman,
I told you I have it under conrol. As soon as I get back from South Beach, The Caymans, Tribeca and Tahoe, I will be reporting my ingenious strategy concerning Oak. Like Bob said, what better person than me to direct basketball operations? As soon as I get back to town, we'll deal with it. Trust me.
Posted by: Michael J | Jul 24, 2008 4:28:51 PM
The sad fact is that teams like jersey are moving and shaking all over the place, shipping players and picks with ease and even if they dont go out and get a star, there is some movement, some change for the better, and charlotte remains quiet. golden state has been going at it strong, and they had a good team to begin with. point being that the staff has worked only on the okafor issue, nothing else. where are the moves to make this team better?
Posted by: brendan | Jul 24, 2008 4:57:13 PM
G wall, seriously who calls him that? Horrible nickname that will not catch on.
Posted by: Yeah? | Jul 24, 2008 6:23:06 PM
Procton, maybe I did not spell it our clearly enough for you and thought you could deduct what I was implying. I apolgize for giving you that much credit. I never said he was the anchor of the team only the anchor inside. He is on the team with 4 wing players and is thus anchoring the defense and interior. He is playing w/ Kobe, Lebron, Melo and Kidd as the starting five. I would say that Coach K and the rest of the staff believe he can anchor the defense, otherwise they would have started a legit PF. This is the best olympic team in years, by the way, so don't start trying to dish on them.
Posted by: Mason | Jul 24, 2008 11:26:10 PM
Hey Bobcat fans,
Us Warrior fans will love to take Okefor. I've been blogging about him for a while now on our local site. You can have Harrington and someone else. Biedrins is rumored to go back to Europe. Trade with us! Please. Check out our blogs.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/24/andris-to-europe/
Posted by: Warrior Fan | Jul 24, 2008 11:26:16 PM
Hey Warrior Fan, thanks for Jrich.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 25, 2008 10:04:10 AM
My sources tell me the reason Bonnell hasn't written a word about the Bobcats since Wednesday morning is because he's gone off the grid -- undercover as a janitor at Time Warner Cable Road Runner Internet BeepBeep.com Arena to get the latest scoop on the Okafor negotiations. Genius.
Let's all hope his cover isn't blown and his mission compromised.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 25, 2008 10:21:37 AM
to the idiots with portland outlaw trade. portland has a certain number 1 pick coming back this year and a certain number 2 pick at PF. don't think they need a 13 mil a yr backup tweener that has no offense.
Okafor needs to go...if we can get a pf for wallace, i'm all for okafor for biedrins and something...
Posted by: Dougie | Jul 25, 2008 11:32:02 AM
Dougie,
Do you mean an unproven #1 pick that hasn't played one minute in the NBA and has already had knee surgery or a young offensive-minded PF #2 pick that has no defensive skills to speak of? You'd be surprised what teams might do to improve small aspects of their game, like defense around the basket. The suggestion of a possible trade may be a little bit of a stretch, but it certainly isn't idiotic.
On the other hand, your concrete suggestion of "if we can get a pf for wallace, i'm all for okafor for biedrins and something..." is a tactical stroke of genius. I'd love to witness your process -- the relentless research, the tireless weighing of all options that may be on the table, the salary cap math -- it must be like watching art being created. I'm surprised you're not a NBA GM.
Posted by: The Doctor | Jul 25, 2008 12:16:47 PM
If Okafor can net Biedrins and say, B Wright, I say do it.
Posted by: Kevin | Jul 25, 2008 12:20:56 PM
And if we could maybe make it a four-team trade and get Rashad McCants and Shammond Williams over here, too, that'd be great. We'd sell lots of tickets, and our team would be AWESOME!
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 25, 2008 12:43:07 PM
I don't think Procton has ever added anything of value to this blog. Case in point, another sarcastic post which adds nothing to the blog. Thanks for all of your contributions MP, keep up the good work!
Posted by: Mason | Jul 25, 2008 12:55:07 PM
Hey,
We have to sign Okafor to a 5/6 years deal woth between 12.5/13.5 year an some incentives.
After that, I read in ESPN that Al Harrington is demanding a trade and Biedrins is inclined to play in Europe. If that's the case, the Warrior have just Turiaf as PF-C and Kofas.
We can trade Mohamed for Al Harrington, this will give the Warriors an average veteran Center and $3+ millions in cap. And we will get a pretty good athletic starting PF. And who knows maybe he explodes here like J-Rich did. He might give us 14+ppg and 9+rpg. That combined with J-Rich (22-5), Wallace (18-6) and Okafor (16-11) will be a great athletic and defensive team with a very good offense. Bobcats will look like:
PG - Felton/Augustin/Sign FA-PG (Arroyo?)
SG - Richardson/Carroll/Weaver
SF - Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
PF - Harrington/May/Davidson
C - Okafor/Hollins/Ajinca
Posted by: RobC | Jul 25, 2008 2:37:50 PM
I think any Bobcats fan would take that deal in a heartbeat, Rob, but there's no way in hell the Warriors would ever take it. Mohammed is mediocre, overpaid, and certainly wouldn't fit in their offense with his plodding style. If we're gonna get Harrington, we'll need to give up a lot more than Nazr "25 MPG" Mohammed.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 25, 2008 3:11:29 PM
YES! Nice reporting, Rick! A player no other team would have wanted is back!
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 25, 2008 4:41:45 PM
It might be true, but who knows...remember the Camby trade. The Warriors have some big contracts coming up next season.
I wouldn't mind adding Morrison, May or Weaver in the deal.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 25, 2008 4:59:08 PM
Again, Procton doesn't add anything contructive just tears others down. Thanks for the contribution! (Though I do agree with the reporting of hollins - thank god we got him back!)
I can't imagine they'd give up harrington for nazr but that would fill a need for the bcats and make that a pretty competitive team as long as okafor is retained.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Jul 25, 2008 5:24:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3505264
Here are some news about Okafor's negotiations I found in ESPN, amazing how Bonnell have nothing to write about.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 25, 2008 5:31:42 PM
not true. I also talked to Higgins today, and waiting for the Observer to web-publish my story. I don't control that process, but I assure you you'll see things in my story that weren't in the AP story. Also that AP story was mostly catching up to what I wrote way back on Tuesday.
Posted by: rick bonnell | Jul 25, 2008 5:56:26 PM
Thanks, but no thanks. Warriors have absolutely no need for Mohammed, Morrison, May or Weaver. Why would we want your bench?
Mullin Loves Harrington's game, although some kind of a sign and trade with Okafor could make sense, but he's too expensive.
Posted by: Warrior Fan | Jul 27, 2008 12:50:17 AM
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