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August 11, 2008
Weaver trade a surprise
I didn’t anticipate the Bobcats trading second-round pick Kyle Weaver, but I’m also not surprised.
I’m on vacation right now, but I wanted to chime in on the Bobcats getting back their second-round pick for Weaver. Larry Brown didn’t use Weaver a whole lot more than a bunch of guys who were rounded up off the street to assemble a summer-league team. So I guess it’s not a revelation that, given the opportunity to replace a second-round pick, they moved him on to Oklahoma City
Weaver made sense on draft night: He potentially played three positions and was a defender first on a team lacking for defenders. On some unmolded-clay level, he was what coach Larry Brown made of George Lynch.
However, he looked lost in summer-league games (although no more lost than first-round pick Alexis Ajinca).
There isn’t a whole lot that Weaver can do that Jared Dudley doesn’t already do. And finding playing time for a wing player is the last of many problems the Bobcats have.
Still, I’m mildly surprised the Bobcats would not bring Weaver to training camp to see more of what he might do. They obviously decided to cut their losses and get back a second-round pick.
And it will be a long time before we truly know whether this was a good or bad call.
Posted by Observer Sports on August 11, 2008 at 09:17 PM | Permalink
Comments
Brown must be getting ready to sign an impact player.
Posted by: Getting Ready | Aug 11, 2008 10:00:11 PM
What wonderful talent evaluators we have working for our Bobcats. Who in the world do they think they're going to find that's any better next year in a weaker draft in the second round than Weaver? Weaver seemed like a great team guy and was always flashing a smile, and seemed full of potential. What are we left with? Um...Shannon Brown. Oh, boy. I'm {yawn} excited about this turn of events.
Posted by: Michael | Aug 12, 2008 12:36:14 AM
It is clear that Larry Brown is the new GM.
Posted by: afan | Aug 12, 2008 1:02:25 AM
I expect crash to be traded by the end of the summer. He is not larry bown's kind of player.
Posted by: afan | Aug 12, 2008 1:07:14 AM
Not browns kind of player? He defends, passes, and plays the right way? I'm pretty sure no rookie is Browns kind of player. While Brown had a nice run, he peaked with the Pistons. Brown is washed up and will not be able to cut it with the Cats. Weaver however will go on to prove Brown and the Bobcats wrong. OKC is a joke, but at least they know a quality guy when they see him.
Posted by: Carlton | Aug 12, 2008 1:15:38 AM
Look at the past few days transactions. Signing Shannon Brown, a player who essentially is just like Weaver, and now trading Weaver for a 2nd round pick.
Potentially acquiring a pick to use as part of a trade package to acquire the power forward the team so desperately needs?
Posted by: George | Aug 12, 2008 1:34:38 AM
No, George. 2nd round picks don't make any discernible difference in packages for impact players. 2nd round picks get you players like Kareem Rush, Jumaine Jones, and...Kyle Weaver.
I'm glad we got something for the kid (who isn't going to turn out to be anything in the Association) instead of waiting until camp and cutting him for nothing. Shannon Brown will be the same player without the rookie growing pains (and more scoring upside.) And no knee-jerk reactions if he puts up 7-3-2 this year. Seattle is terrible and Durant is the only other 2-guard they've got, so he'll get way more PT than he ever should.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 8:15:39 AM
Crap...this isn't the Sonics' own pick, either. Came over from the Nets, who, if not great, stand to be better than OKC.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 8:26:30 AM
Glad Rick gave us a nugget on his thoughts even while on vacation (how long a siesta do you get Bonnell...been gone a while)!
Shannon Brown has some experience and perhaps LB thinks he can mold him into the type of swing guard he needs. Weaver was history as soon as they signed SB.
This means nothing relative to the glaring need for a starting PF. I doubt Wallace is traded for a 4, cause we need every quality player available on this team. Ajinca is horrible, a very bad gamble, and will need a year in the NBDL to build a foundation for how to play the NBA game. May is unlikely to play much of the season, and to expect his skill and ability level to be close to the same before his surgery is folly. He was not an adequate starting 4 anyway.
Posted by: Makeadeal | Aug 12, 2008 8:42:00 AM
Sorry, but was it a surprise or not? This piece seems to be a bit of everything. I'd like a better understanding on what's going on that they draft a guy and then give up on him 6 weeks or so later. Thanks.
Posted by: rogelio | Aug 12, 2008 10:23:46 AM
It's a suprise that they would so quickly admit they do such a shitty job of drafting. Think Chris Douglas-Roberts could have been a good player? 15 PPG on 49% shooting, including games with 8, 9, and 11 FTAs, along with almost 4 RPG and over 2 APG. Almost 2 SPG to boot. Nathan Jawai's 11-6 in only 20 MPG? Richard Hendrix's 8 and 10 with 2 blocks and steals in 15 MPG? Maarty Leunen's 16-5? Nah, we didn't need any of those guys. We got Kyle Weaver! Which now might just turn into Jeff Adrian! Or Jeremy Pargo!
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 10:50:26 AM
Passing on CDR was absolutely a terrible mistake in my opinion, even if we are loaded w/ 6'6 wing players. The kid just knows how to play and knows how to score. I think he will be a valuable 6th or 7th man off the bench, which is more than most second rounders will ever amount to.
Procton, what stats are you throwing up there in your post, summer league games or NCAA stats?
Posted by: Mason | Aug 12, 2008 11:18:03 AM
I watch the NBA every season. I have lived in Charlotte my whole life. So I would love to be able to root for a competent team, committed to winning. That being said, we make the most ill advised moves of any organization in the damn league. Besides Augustin, who I am cinfident will be a sold contributor, the other two picks flat out didn't make any sense. I do not understand the obsession with potential over proven players and proven winners. NBA second rounders are not even guaranteed a contract, so why not take a flyer on C.D.R. who is a stud, or even someone like Billy Walker who has health issues but sure as hell can play at a high level, more-so than we've ever seen from Weaver or Ajinca.
Posted by: Hass | Aug 12, 2008 11:22:25 AM
All of those are summer league stats from this past summer league. And all of those were players drafted in the next 12 picks after Weaver, so it wouldn't have been much more unreasonable to get any of them than Weaver (who carried an undrafted grade in plenty of places.)
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 11:24:34 AM
Procton, I don't think that receiving the Nets pick is all that bad. Remember, they are in rebuilding mode after their trades of Kidd/Jefferson. Also, rumors are that Carter is likewise out the door (assuming another team will take on his outrageous contract). The pick should be in the late 30's.
Agreed that this was simply based on the assessment that Shannon Brown was a better prospect/fit for the team than Weaver. It doesn't mean Larry Brown is running the show, it just means that the front office is actively seeking to improve the team (which is a good thing, considering where we are right now).
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Aug 12, 2008 12:17:01 PM
I thought Weaver was a questionable pick when they drafted him. I am glad the Cats realized their mistake and got something in return. I question CDR's heart, but he is way better than Weaver. This trade is relatively inconsequential.
Posted by: Token | Aug 12, 2008 12:17:35 PM
The only good news about this trade is that it opens a spot. I do agree that Weaver was a BAD pick at 38, but the Bobcats should've try to do more. Maybe adding May, Morrison, Hollins or Davidson in exchange for Collison or Wilcox.
Posted by: RobC | Aug 12, 2008 1:02:53 PM
It's not "that bad," no, but even if the Sonics rise and the Nets fall to the point that they're even, the Sonics will still have a worse record (and thus, a better pick), because they get killed every night in the West. Either way, I'm glad we got SOMETHING out of a wasted pick that was high enough that it should have carried some present-tense value to us. Oh well. Hard to find a spot in the Bobcats blunder leaderboard for this one.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 1:36:38 PM
My biggest problem is the whole "weaver could have been LB's next George Lynch"
What?!?!?
Lynch was the leader, heart and soul, and a stat staffing player for a nat'l championship team in 93. (just look at the team the year after that failed to get out of the second round without him)
How do you compare the two players? Plus Lynch could fit in at PF as needed. Weaver was a 1-3, of which we had plenty. Was Hendrix really available and we still picked Weaver? Seriously?!?!?
They must know something about the PF position we don't...
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Aug 12, 2008 2:56:36 PM
Yes...Hendrix didn't go until #49.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 3:20:43 PM
Procton, not trying to nit-pick b/c I agree that Weaver was a bad pick and someone like CDR would have been a much better pick, however, you discredit the summer league stats and all-summer league performance for someone like Randolph and then use summer league stats to support your argument against Weaver. It political terms I would have to say you are flip-flopping.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 12, 2008 3:26:37 PM
from foxsports.com
please let the bobcats make an offer. this guy would be killer as a PF in the east.
Jazz dealing Kirilenko?
"With the Jazz still leery about exceeding the luxury tax threshold, it seems logical that either Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur or Andrei Kirilenko must go. And Andrei is probably the Jazz's preferred choice, although nobody within the organization will admit it. I thought coach Jerry Sloan and Kirilenko did a good job of putting aside their differences last season (although you have to wonder what would have happened if Utah hadn't been winning so many games). Still, as many of you pointed out, Kirilenko no longer looks like the happy-to-be-here player of the past. It's obvious he doesn't like his role in the offense. He clearly prefers the unstructured style he has been allowed to play the last two summers as the star of the Russian national team." - Salt Lake Tribune
Posted by: brendan | Aug 12, 2008 3:36:59 PM
No...you're totally allowed to use Randolph's Summer League stats to say he's going to be a better player than Kyle Weaver. Just not to say that he's going to be a successful NBA PF as you've argued.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 4:07:40 PM
No...you're totally allowed to use Randolph's Summer League stats to say he's going to be a better player than Kyle Weaver. Just not to say that he's going to be a successful NBA PF as you've argued.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 4:10:29 PM
You forgot, Mason...only Procton knows how to use stats and is the final decision maker as to what stats matter and when and for which player. Only he knows anything, so why even bring it up?
So what do the board experts, and a civil procton, think about AK-47? Can't imagine LB would like him, or the bcats to spend the money, but he would seem to add a lot to the team if he wants to play here.
Felton
Jrich
GWall
AK47
Okafor
that's a pretty good team with some solid backups.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Aug 12, 2008 5:07:47 PM
Why wouldn't Brown like him? He's incredibly versatile and plays great D. Also, I think it'd be hard to assume we could get him without giving up one of our decent starters.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 12, 2008 6:02:47 PM
If available, Okur would be a better complement to Okafor, especially on offense. He would also better address our lack of size down low. Didn't he play under Brown in Detroit?
Despite his height, Kirelinko is a tweener, something we don't need on this team with our current lineup. He has trouble keeping up with the quicker 3's (his current position) and gets muscled in the post (despite his ability to block shots).
Unfortunately, I doubt we have the pieces to get either of them from Utah.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Aug 12, 2008 6:36:36 PM
It is going to be tough for the Jazz to keep all of their talent. They have to be nervous with half of their starters on Olympic teams!
No to Kirilenko. I remember Gerald owning him here at home last season. A healthy Adam Morrison should be better than Kirilenko and for less cash. He makes more than any of our players. Really would we want that? I would hope not. On top of all that hes a known distraction.
Id be interested in pursuing Boozer...but it seems unlikely given Deron Williams seems to be lobbying for him to stay.
Okur would be the most likely. But what would we give up to equal 8.5mill.
This scenario might be worth eyeballing in a couple of weeks. I bet they do shake it up though...even if we arent involved.
Posted by: eleaf14 | Aug 12, 2008 10:16:10 PM
Hey, guys. Saw a couple of things that I thought were worth addressing:
1. If Kyle Weaver is an NBA player (and that's no given), it would have to be in the mold of George Lynch. As in versatile, tough and defensively-oriented. If you know anything about Larry Brown, you understand he loves those guys. Apparently, the Bobcats thought he was that guy when they drafted him, then questioned him, based on summer league.
2. Kirilenko is not a power forward. He's a small forward with some defensive abilities, such as shot-blocking, that are power forward-like. For all the reasons Gerald Wallace should not play power forward on a regular basis, you're crazy taking on Kirilenko's contract if you intend to play him at power forward. And speaking of that contract...
Kirilenko makes $15.1M, 16.4M and $17.8M the next three seasons. WHY DO YOU THINK UTAH IS SO RECEPTIVE TO TRADE HIM!!!
He's a very good player, paid like a great player. Why would you pay him more than Richardson or Okafor the next three years, when he wouldn't have as big an impact in Charlotte as either one?
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Aug 12, 2008 10:47:00 PM
I saw a lot of PAC-10 ball last season and Kyle Weaver is a very athletic, versitle player. I think his summer league performance was adequate. Do you think this decision is because they couldn't come to reasonable terms on a contract?
Posted by: brophy | Aug 12, 2008 11:17:08 PM
The problem and the sad thing about Okur is that he'd give up post defense and rebounding compared to Wallace.
el: Morrison better than Kirilenko? Really? I'm not even going to respond to that absurd statement.
Assuming he was matched up with the primary scoring guard on the other team most of the time, Weaver hardly made the case as a "defensively-oriented player." In that role, allowing 18.4 PPG ain't anywhere near "adequate", nor is his own line of 6-2-1. We got similar production from Guillermo Diaz in less time.
Also, bp, 2nd-round contracts are basically copy and paste 2 year-deals at the minimum with the second year as a team option, so that wasn't the issue.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 8:29:50 AM
Procton: My only point is that why would we want Kirilenko's absurd contract...when we may have a healthy Morrison who would fill the same roll at one 1/3 of the cost. In all honesty do you think he'd start over Gerald? Thats where my Morrison comment came from...I realize that Kirilenko is a better player than AMo, but hes not better than Wallace. My main point is: its about the money...and looking at Utah's current situation, you might say that Kirilenko's contract is their main problem in keeping those guys together.
Posted by: eleaf14 | Aug 13, 2008 9:26:04 AM
Well since I can't agrue successful PF, even though he played 3-5 in summer league, how about best player out of that draft??? Not saying that he will be in my opinion, but several scouts were more impressed w/ him and his upside than either Bease or Rose.
And I am just messing with you and pointing out that you constantly flip stats around, discredit them, and then come back to use the same stats in one of your arguments.
And eleaf, I am not sure where you are drawing the comparison from between Morrison and Ak except that both players are white and roughly 6'8. Morrison was the worst rebounding player in the league, above 6'2, his rookie season and plays no D. AK has lost his jump shot to the point to where he is almost scared to shoot at times, but plays great D. In my opinion, the two couldn't be further apart in their respective games. I do agree that at this point, Wallace would start over AK.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 13, 2008 10:00:02 AM
"A healthy Adam Morrison should be better than Kirilenko and for less cash."
Gee, sorry if that didn't seem clear. When one states that a player "should be better" than another, I assume that to mean that they feel that player is, well better than the other. And no, you didn't make it obvious that the difference was simply money; that was the function of the conjunction 'AND' you used in that sentence. That meant that you both thought Morrison to be more affordable AND more talented and/or effective. And no, AK wouldn't start over Wallace; he'd start over May or Davidson or whatever other scrub we currently plan to let go alongside EO, JR, GW, and RF.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 10:01:14 AM
Every bit as much as you could talk about JJ Hickson or Donte Greene being the best players in the draft because they were similarly productive. Generally, you can say that players who performed particularly well there (Randolph included) are probably better players than those who performed poorly there (Weaver.) Beyond that, it's relatively irrelevant.
And as for those scouts, it's worth noting that they didn't see either Rose or Beasley in the same context. They were down in Orlando, not in Las Vegas.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 10:10:47 AM
Hey, let's give Mohamed and some CA$H, for Okur. After all Mohamed is cheaper than Okur and I think his contract expires after this season (Not sure). We have nothing to loose. There has been some cray trades this season just to free up some salary cap (i.e. Camby and NJ's Jefferson). The worst we can get is a "NO".
Posted by: RobC | Aug 13, 2008 10:12:39 AM
Mohammed has 2 years left on his contract after this year though the last year is a player option.
And the contracts don't equal out enough for that trade to work. We'd have to throw in about another million in salary.
Posted by: Will | Aug 13, 2008 10:24:01 AM
Haha...might as well say that third year's guaranteed. You think he's gonna outplay or find anybody stupid enough to do better than $6.9 mil? And actually, it's not a player option...it's an ETO, which will make trading him (if we were able to find a taker for his expiring contract) harder because his last year won't become official until July 1 of that year.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 10:52:51 AM
Will, how about Shannon Brown and the newly acquired 2nd rounder to even out the deal? It just seems that those 2 moves were made with something larger in mind.
Posted by: Brian | Aug 13, 2008 10:56:42 AM
Will, how about Shannon Brown and the newly acquired 2nd rounder to even out the deal? It just seems that those 2 moves were made with something larger in mind.
Posted by: Brian | Aug 13, 2008 10:57:28 AM
Shannon Brown can't be traded until after Dec. 15th.
Posted by: Will | Aug 13, 2008 11:36:01 AM
And no, I don't think it's anything larger, Brian. Brown was signed to be the player Weaver sucked as. Weaver was traded because he sucked and we got Brown to replace him and we didn't want to lose him for nothing. 2nd-round picks aren't ever picked up with "something larger in mind." Unless, again, you consider players like Kareem Rush, Jumaine Jones--and, yes, Kyle Weaver--big.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 11:52:06 AM
Hey Bonnell....Do you know something about May and Morrison???? Anything??? Please!!!
Posted by: RobC | Aug 13, 2008 11:52:39 AM
I agree with Procton. I don't think this is a sign of anything bigger. I think the timing of the two moves (signing Brown & trading Weaver) are related, but not because it's any grand scheme to acquire a 2nd round pick to use for a trade.
First of all, like Procton said, 2nd round picks don't amount to much when putting together a trade. Especially 2nd rounders that could very well be in the late 40's.
Second, the reason I think the two moves are connected is that the players are similar except Brown has a more developed offensive game at this point. The staff apparently liked Brown more than they liked what they saw from Weaver in the Summer League.
Posted by: Will | Aug 13, 2008 3:10:09 PM
Weaver is a better playmaker, which says something about how they feel about Felton and Augustin manning the point.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 3:28:40 PM
Nice to have you back Bonnell...but when are you going to address the PF issue.
There is an obvious hole that has to be filled.
Do they:
A. Think May will be able to handle starter's minutes?
B. Expect to trade for one?
C. going to suck it up with Nazr and Okafor?
D. use a poo-poo plater of hollins/davidson?
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Aug 13, 2008 4:43:56 PM
News flash! I'm about to admit something I DON'T know: does anybody know how much cap space we have? I just realized that Delonte West is an RFA, and he'd be a good fit as a backup PG/SG with some upside. He's always played well when given the minutes, and I wouldn't imagine he'd be prohibitively expensive,
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 5:04:25 PM
We have no cap space. We're over the cap.
Posted by: Will | Aug 13, 2008 5:32:53 PM
Damn...Nazr Mohammed...what an effin' disaster. Any MLE space or anything like that?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 13, 2008 5:50:19 PM
We still have our full MLE of 5.585 million and our full biannual exception of 1.91 million.
Posted by: Will | Aug 13, 2008 6:09:33 PM
Michael, son please get a life you are embarrassing the family
Posted by: dad | Aug 13, 2008 8:53:00 PM
The Mohammed deal is hurting us. It's not that he's terrible, it's just the $$$ he's receiving. I think Jordan did this as insurance in case Okafor was offered a huge deal by another team this summer (slight miscalculation). So, the end result is that we have $17M+ tied up between Mohammed and Okafor and we still have a huge hole at either the 4 or 5 position.
I would love to get Okur for Mohammed plus cash (or another player if that's what it would take to make the numbers work). But, Okur's contract only runs through next year so Utah would probably only trade him for expiring contracts. I truly think he would fit in perfect alongside Okafor and his experience would help get the Cats into the playoffs.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Aug 13, 2008 9:28:37 PM
That's why the Mohammed deal has ALWAYS been terrible. He might not be terrible, but he's barely average, and barely average doesn't merit $7 mil a year.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 8:22:03 AM
Nobody was complaining about the Nazr deal when they shipped Brezec's lazy azz off to Detroit. I think Mohammed is a good player. He does many things you don't see on the floor, and in the locker room. A team needs his kind of mature presence and leadership for chemistry. He doesn't have to be a 20-10 guy to earn his keep.
Posted by: FuriousStyles | Aug 14, 2008 10:04:09 AM
Actually, yes, I was complaining from the instant they made the trade. No, you don't need to hit 20-10 to earn $7 mil, but you sure as hell better average 10-8 or at least play 30 MPG. Nazr Mohammed's, well, never done either.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 11:32:07 AM
still think there would be some value in making an offer to OKC for PF chris wilcox. they seem open to moves (see the clev/okc/mil trade) and we have just made a minor move with them. call them back and offer parts for them guy and see if they bite. say may, carrol and ajinca. may and carrol should equal wilcox's contract. if not ajinca's rookie contract would take it there. what do we have to lose?
Posted by: brendan | Aug 14, 2008 11:50:57 AM
Not sure I'd take that deal, Brendan. May, carroll and the frenchmen aren't spectacular but they will add a heck of a lot more than Wilcox will.
I wouldn't mind trading for Wilcox, b/c i think he'd start at pf for us, but I don't want to sell the farm (no matter how terrible is looks now).
So, BONNELL, what do you think they are going to do with the PF spot?????
Posted by: Bonnell=Procton | Aug 14, 2008 11:57:30 AM
We could get Johan Petro's salary to fit in with Wilcox for Carroll and May. Not that that'd be a good trade, either, necessarily, but both would have expiring contracts.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 12:14:24 PM
Ok City traded Ridnour because they wanted to get rid of his contract (as well as clearing playing time for Westbrook) which had this year and next left on it and in return took on 2 players whose contracts expire after this year.
The trade you're suggesting would give them a long term contract (Carroll's). Even if they were willing to take on his contract, Carroll has no value to them. Where's he get minutes? They have 5 wing players (Marshall, Mason, Durant, Green, & Wilkins)that would all be ahead of him on the depth chart. And that's if they only use Westbrook at point and never have he and Watson on the floor at the same time.
Posted by: Will | Aug 14, 2008 3:35:50 PM
I know why you're not an NBA coach. You think Donyell Marshall and Damien Wilkins are better than Matt Carroll? Please. Carroll would be the best pure SG on the roster if you don't count Durant as one.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 4:32:21 PM
Mention in Marty burns SI.com article:
10. Bobcats: On paper, they didn't do anything significant to warrant much optimism. But the Bobcats have talent in the likes of Emeka Okafor (whom they re-signed this summer), Jason Richardson, Gerald Wallace and Raymond Felton, as well as decent role players in Nazr Mohammed and Matt Carroll. The difference this year will be coach Larry Brown, who despite his debacle in New York has a proven track record of turning things around in a hurry. If Adam Morrison and Sean May can come back from their injuries as well, Charlotte could be much improved.
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Aug 14, 2008 5:10:48 PM
Yea, it's not like Wilkins & Marshall are better defenders and rebounders than Carroll is. Or that Wilkins isn't better at getting his teammates involved in the game offensively.
Better pure shooter I'll give you. But better all around player, hardly.
Posted by: Will | Aug 14, 2008 5:28:27 PM
Carroll's a better overall scorer (shooting, slashing, drawing contact and getting to the line) than either of them. Carroll is just as good a rebounder as Wilkins. And yes, I'd say he's every bit the on-the-ball perimeter defender they are.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 6:49:27 PM
We're talking about in real life, not on your NBA Live.
Posted by: Will | Aug 14, 2008 7:23:54 PM
If Procton knew HALF what he thinks he does about the NBA, he would be the most knowledgeable fan in the history of the league.
But in reality he really should just STFU so he doesn't give more proof of just what a complete tool he is.
Posted by: Procton...buy a clue! | Aug 14, 2008 7:29:04 PM
NBA Live? Hardly...I haven't played basketball video games since NBA Jam (Carroll's outside shooting and Okafor's rebounding would be a deadly duo on that one.) And which part of that do you dispute?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 14, 2008 11:52:09 PM
If Larry Brown can mess up Team USA he can sure as heck mess up the Bobcats. This team needs a shakeup roster-wise, not just on the sideline.
Posted by: LeeL | Aug 15, 2008 9:09:55 AM
LeeL..thanks for you nondescript, pessimistic and unhelpful comments. Glad your contributing. The 04 team was flawed with its star player being Starbury of all people. Terrible team top to bottom.
Shake up the roster? Really? Who would your replace in the staring lineup, outside of that vacuum at PF?
(realistic options here, so no, "well, we'd really be better with kobe at SG and Lebron at SF")
Posted by: bonnell=procton | Aug 15, 2008 11:54:49 AM
No, the star player wasn't Marbury. Duncan or Iverson, maybe. Brown just did a terrible coaching job.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 15, 2008 1:42:38 PM
Carroll to OKC wouldn't work because of the recent trade with Mil/Cle. As a result, Desmond Mason will get playing time at 3 along with Green, and Durant will become exclusively a 2. Also figure on Westbrook, a combo guard, getting time at the 2.
Also, anyone related to Dominique Wilkins cannot be considered an inferior slasher to Matt Carroll. Never.
Picking up Petro would be nice...it could help us obtain a monopoly on the French fanbase. Parlez vous Francais?
Regarding the Olympics, anyone that watched knows that Iverson was the star. And, at times, he seemed to be the only person trying. There was an air of invincibility that the '04 team had that Larry Brown did not create but failed to control. This one was the players fault, without a doubt.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Aug 16, 2008 12:52:35 AM
Carroll to OKC wouldn't work because of the recent trade with Mil/Cle. As a result, Desmond Mason will get playing time at 3 along with Green, and Durant will become exclusively a 2. Also figure on Westbrook, a combo guard, getting time at the 2.
Also, anyone related to Dominique Wilkins cannot be considered an inferior slasher to Matt Carroll. Never.
Picking up Petro would be nice...it could help us obtain a monopoly on the French fanbase. Parlez vous Francais?
Regarding the Olympics, anyone that watched knows that Iverson was the star. And, at times, he seemed to be the only person trying. There was an air of invincibility that the '04 team had that Larry Brown did not create but failed to control. This one was the players fault, without a doubt.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Aug 16, 2008 12:52:51 AM
Brown got his panties in a wad with Anthony and sat the young stars on the bench in favor of these older stars that have been mentioned. His ego kept the best team from being on the court in the 04 Olympics.
In regard to the Bobcats starting roster, the only one I would want to hold onto is Richardson. Some players just don't work well together. With Okafor and Wallace's inability to spread the floor, I don't feel that a team with those individuals as starters work well together. Thus, the team is left with an expiring shot clock, a crowded lane, and a Felton jump shot.
Obviously, bonnell=procton you are correct in that the roster does not need a shake-up. That's why they were oh so successful last year.
Posted by: LeeL | Aug 18, 2008 4:56:49 PM
Hmm...OKC sure seems to think Donyell Marshall is a better player than Matt Carroll. That's why they waived him, I guess, despite that they're going to blow almost $6 mil in cash and cap space just to not have him on the roster.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 20, 2008 9:33:31 PM
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