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December 10, 2008

Trade makes Bobcats more of a Larry Brown team

An executive from another NBA team called my cell phone around nine tonight, to make this quite unsolicited comment on the Bobcats trade:
          Huh?!?!

          The guy couldn’t imagine how, empirically, the Bobcats have more talent now than they did before dealing Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley to the Phoenix Suns for Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Sean Singletary.

More to the point, the executive explained, he can’t understand why the Bobcats traded away Richardson – the player Michael Jordan touted as the much-needed go-to guy 17 months ago – without getting another go-to guy in return.

Understand, this executive is not convinced Richardson is the centerpiece of a great team. But Richardson was closer than any other Bobcat to filling that role, and now, more than ever, they’re a team full of helper bees with no star to orbit.

I told this executive that I don’t know whether this deal works, but I know why it was made. Stylistically, Diaw and Bell represent change in the direction Larry Brown wants: They add defense, passing, versatility and athleticism.

Then I mentioned what Brown said pre-game: That the Bobcats aren’t done searching for ways to change the roster before the trade deadline.

Good, the exec replied, because no matter how well Brown coaches them, this team is still not a playoff roster.

Posted by Observer Sports on December 10, 2008 at 11:32 PM | Permalink

Comments

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=sunscatstradehollinger-081210

Great article. It brings up that the deal worked w/o Dudley. So why did the Bobcats decide to include him?


Also what is the word on signing Howard now?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 10, 2008 11:47:18 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=sunscatstradehollinger-081210

Great article. It brings up that the deal worked w/o Dudley. So why did the Bobcats decide to include him?


Also what is the word on signing Howard now?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 10, 2008 11:50:14 PM

Q&A with J-Rich on the deal:

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/12/10/qandarichardson/index.html

Posted by: QA | Dec 10, 2008 11:50:53 PM

The trade will definatley make the team better... even if just a little bit. It gives Gerald more time at his natural position, and the only one he should be playing, gives DJ a few more MPG, while giving Okafor his direct complement.

And if they make another trade, it better not be Wallace. They should get rid of Felton before he demands a big deal in the off-season and ends up walking anyway.

And anybody who says the trade makes them worse, the Bobcats were on pace for 28 wins with JRich playing 2/3 games at home, so the end of the season will tell whether they got any worse.

Posted by: Nick | Dec 10, 2008 11:52:17 PM

david aldridge just said in an nbatv interview that gerald wallace will be gone within a week, maybe sooner...

Rick, Where is he going? Kaman, Camby, Eddy Curry...?

Posted by: dougie | Dec 10, 2008 11:54:48 PM

Yeah!:
Maybe the Suns demanded Dudley before they would make it. And, yes, Howard is coming. Looks like Dwayne Jones might not be here for long.

Posted by: Rick bonnell | Dec 11, 2008 12:03:14 AM

Aldridge also said that Boris Diaw "has kind of been out of shape for the first part of the season and has been working his way back"..... that sounds great!

PS Bonnell, we lost Dudley in this deal... that seems to make us slightly less of a Brown team who wants the little things to be done.

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 12:06:50 AM

Mr. Bonnell, Thanks for answering that!

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 12:07:33 AM

Is it just me or does this seem like a big "F You" to the fans? I know that the team wasn't very good before, but this sure seems to have made us worse...

Patiently awaiting more moves to be made. Being a realist, I'm guessing this is just another move to further run us into the ground, but hey... ugh this leaves a sour taste in my mouth, I can't find a single positive. If they win 30 games I'd say Larry Brown deserves coach of the year consideration.

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2008 12:16:17 AM

If Sean Singletary is kept on the roster, will Raymond Felton be hitting the road?

It would really hurt to see Gerald Wallace traded. . .

Rick, any rumblings from the Higgins or the office about Felton or Wallace?

Chris Kaman really can't be considered equal compensation for the talent that Wallace brings. Yet, these rumors persist. Any validity?

Posted by: baseline | Dec 11, 2008 12:18:17 AM

David Aldridge in an NBA.com video on the trade: "You know Larry, I mean five minutes in he wants to trade everybody on his team and this is no different. You know he wants to bring in a defensive guy. I can tell you Gerald Wallace is probably going to be dealt within the next week if not sooner."

"So thy're going to shake it up and try to get some more defensive-minded guys on that team."

Mr. Bonnell, what is the word on this?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 12:19:52 AM

David Aldridge in an NBA.com video on the trade: "You know Larry, I mean five minutes in he wants to trade everybody on his team and this is no different. You know he wants to bring in a defensive guy. I can tell you Gerald Wallace is probably going to be dealt within the next week if not sooner."

"So thy're going to shake it up and try to get some more defensive-minded guys on that team."

Mr. Bonnell, what is the word on this?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 12:21:02 AM

I am still puzzled by this trade and all the comments I have read so far has even left me more perplexed tonite. Why gave up your best player for non starters of Diaw, Bell and Singletary. This make no sense, and if anyone the Bobcats could trade, it should have been G. Wallace. I mean Richardson was the perfect STAR for this team, and acquiring defenders without any shooter make no sense at all. Let's see how this team progress from this trade. This team needed to be built around Richardson, and you imagine when Richardson was out the other time how much the team struggles. Jordan, Jordan! Front Office! Front Office!!

Posted by: aaron.siafa | Dec 11, 2008 12:22:43 AM

If Sean Singletary is kept on the roster, will Raymond Felton be hitting the road?

It would really hurt to see Gerald Wallace traded. . .

Rick, any rumblings from the Higgins or the office about Felton or Wallace?

Chris Kaman really can't be considered equal compensation for the talent that Wallace brings. Yet, these rumors persist. Any validity?

Posted by: baseline | Dec 11, 2008 12:23:22 AM

I am still puzzled by this trade and all the comments I have read so far has even left me more perplexed tonite. Why gave up your best player for non starters of Diaw, Bell and Singletary. This make no sense, and if anyone the Bobcats could traded, it should have been G. Wallace. I mean Richardson was the perfect STAR for this team, and acquiring defenders without any shooter make no sense at all. Let's see how this team progress from this trade. This team needed to be built around Richardson, and you imagine when Richardson was out the other time how much the team struggles. Jordan, Jordan! Front Office! Front Office!!

Posted by: aaron.siafa | Dec 11, 2008 12:25:45 AM

Watch this video with Larry. His comments really make me wonder why we did this deal. It is almost as if he thinks the Suns got the better players:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/2008/12/10/nba_20081210_brown_trade.nba/index.html

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 12:29:42 AM

I've been keeping up with baseball offseason blogging instead of the 'Cats blog, and this is what brings me back...great (sigh). Wallace is next, huh? So are we relying on the creativity and scoring of Felton and Augustine now? It doesn't even help out that much with the salary cap (Diaw gets $9 million per for like 20 more years). Phoenix looks pretty good. Oh, I get it, Raja Bell will continue his rise from D-League obscurity, learning how to do something other than stand at the 3point line on offense. We'll win championship after championship. I can see it now, Disney will make a movie about his life and call it "Rise of the Phoenix" (was that comedic irony?) I don't have anything constructive to say about this trade, just needed to type something so I didn't put my hand through the monitor...

Posted by: BustaCat | Dec 11, 2008 12:42:23 AM

Guys:
Read my trade story (or ANYTHING I've written the past month) and ask yourself, "Is this over?''
Of course not. They were going to trade a starter (Wallace-Richardson-or-Felton in that order) and it happened tonight. Larry offered -- quite unsolicited -- that they're looking to change more. And there's no doubt they would have dealt Wallace's contract before Richardson's.
They're overpaying Gerald -- good, because he's a great guy -- but they're looking to change the team's look and to unload questionable long-term obligations.
It's very hard to move Mohammed's or Carroll's contract right now. But Gerald could be dealt.
Still a caution: David Aldridge (a friend and a good reporter) makes it sound like Gerald will be traded just because he's available. Doesn't work that way. You must have a trade partner who both wants the guy enough to give you something of value and WANTS HIS CONTRACT. If that were available, J-Rich would still be a Bobcat.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Dec 11, 2008 12:47:31 AM

NBA.com: "The Bobcats are playing much better this season under Brown, in his first year with his latest team. But Brown, as ever, has been unhappy with his team's defense and is looking to add a true center up front so current center Emeka Okafor can move to power forward.

Charlotte, a source said, will be addressing that in the next few days, using forward Gerald Wallace as bait in order to secure a starting center.

Richardson, who will turn 28 next month, had started 14 games for the Bobcats this season, averaging 18.7 points on 44 percent shooting -- including 45.8 percent from three-point range, 14th-best in the league.

Richardson said last month that while Brown was demanding, he enjoyed playing for him."

Posted by: NBA.com | Dec 11, 2008 12:48:10 AM

Bonnell: "Still a caution: David Aldridge (a friend and a good reporter) makes it sound like Gerald will be traded just because he's available. Doesn't work that way. You must have a trade partner who both wants the guy enough to give you something of value and WANTS HIS CONTRACT. If that were available, J-Rich would still be a Bobcat."


Mr. Bonnell, your words make it sound like we traded J-Rich because we couldn't trade Gerald & his contract. Basically, making a trade for the sake of change, but I say that was dumb in this particular case.

Second, I didn't know if DA maybe knew something???? I don't think he would report that GW would be gone just because he is available... that would be irresponsible & false reporting on his part.

Any word on who might be a target outside of Kaman or Camby?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 1:02:17 AM

With Diaw and Bell we get something that has been lacking in this franchise and thats experience in winning ballgames. Asides from major improvements we will see on D, I think having more bigs will give Larry the start up kit he originally wanted upon taking the job. I personally think the best thing about all of this is we have more options with this new roster. With the current landscape of the NBA...and the big 4 holding everyone hostage for 2010...I like that we suddenly have more options for movement. I liked J. Rich and what he brought this franchise in his brief stay, but that contract was obviously a big one looking ahead 2 years. Really looking forward to the new look Cats!

Posted by: eleaf14 | Dec 11, 2008 1:06:21 AM

It will also be interesting to see Diaw mentor Ajinca. It could be an important part in the Rookie's development. Looks like he had decent numbers tonight.

Posted by: eleaf14 | Dec 11, 2008 1:18:57 AM

Yeah?:

You should realize by now that Bonnell thinks he's the greatest reporter ever, and that in his mind David Aldridge can't even carry his pocket protector. If you don't believe that just ask him.

Come on Bonnell tell us about how great you are and how many cool awards you've won. Regardless you missed this story because you're too busy chasing around washed up Juwan Howard stories. Silly.

Posted by: rbiscocky | Dec 11, 2008 1:25:11 AM

Great, now we have not one but two gay Frenchies on this team. I can't wait to see them hooking up with each other on the bench all game, that will be just great. Bobcats games weren't very kid friendly before but they really aren't now.

Posted by: oohnasty | Dec 11, 2008 1:28:00 AM

This blog is a big joke right? Why would any "nba executive" waste their time calling a small town reporter to say "huh?"

bonnell your need to feel accepted and important is terrible. to the point that you make up obviously fake stories to fill space to make up for the fact that you are out of the loop on this trade. the national media knows more about our team than you do. keep up the good work!

Posted by: ridonk | Dec 11, 2008 1:38:35 AM

How the hell are they "overpaying Gerald?"

He normally can get you around 20ppg, and even this year with all the crap going on with this team, he's averaging 15/8/2/2, and now he's the closest thing we have to a go-to guy.

I figured one of the few bonuses to this deal is that people would stop griping about Wallace's contract now that we have Diaw, who is an inferior player getting paid just as much...but I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 5:45:51 AM

Come talk to me when "Gerald" makes an all-star team. I don't think you will ever be coming to talk to me.

Until he does he's overpaid as hell. He's a glorified Kenny Walker. Why do you think he has no trade value? Overpaid. Bonnell made it very clear that if he had any trade value he would have been gone and not the better, more reliable player- Richardson.

Posted by: dumbcomment | Dec 11, 2008 7:09:08 AM

You losers do realize the team in this town that actually cares about winning and that is run by competent management is making a playoff run right? Not trading off its best players like the Florida Marlins to save money and avoid going bankrupt.

Bob Cat Johnson sucks. GOOOOOOOO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chemekas Okafors | Dec 11, 2008 7:11:11 AM

"This blog is a big joke right? Why would any "nba executive" waste their time calling a small town reporter to say "huh?"

bonnell your need to feel accepted and important is terrible. to the point that you make up obviously fake stories to fill space to make up for the fact that you are out of the loop on this trade. the national media knows more about our team than you do. keep up the good work!"

LOL. I laughed so hard after reading that. But anyways, if they deal Wallace for Kaman, this team all of a sudden is looking like a very good playoff contender. With great defense, your offense doesnt need to be stellar, Im glad Brown is shaking up this roster, it cant be any worse than what its been. Id hate to see Wallace go, but if we get a quality big for him, then its worth it. I want Felton to stay, hes versatile enough to backup the point & hes big enough to guard most 2s. Augustin can make up for the scoring, not to mention Bell, Morrison, & Carroll, plus we have a 4 in Diaw capable of guarding the Terkolus & Boshs.

Posted by: marvel | Dec 11, 2008 7:16:58 AM

Will,
Wallace is way overpaid for what he does. Watch him play his "stellar defense". He way overplays and gets burned a lot. He normally averages 20 points when Sam Vincent was the coach and he did whatever he wanted. He's not going to be as good in LB's system and thats what we don't need to pay for. DIaw is going to play ball no matter what. he's not going to complain about having to play 4 against bigger 4s and he potentially could score the same amount of points with the same minutes Gerald's getting. Geralds are big trade chip now so if we can get a true center, why would we not do that.

This trade helps us. Augustine obviously needs to be in the starting lineup and he has showed that with Richardson out (injury/last night in the trade). If that makes us have both him and Ray in the lineup together, so be it. I like Wallace but this team's culture is losing. That needs to change now. Wallace is not going to be the player that saves our season and we might not have that this year but trading him for a Brad Miller type player could only help. We still have so many wing players.

Diaw and Bell know what it takes to win games when they count. We were on pace to win 28 games. I say 35 with the trade/trades.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 11, 2008 7:46:45 AM

The team was losing with J-Rich plain and simple. He was the best offensive player on the team, but he wasn't a superstar. He didn't take over the game during crunch time, he didn't demand the ball at the end of games, and he's not that great one on one.

We get a defensive player in Bell and a decent PF in Diaw. The deal was made b/c we lack defense and rebounding. This still falls on Sean May inability to produce for our team. Hopefully Diaw coming to the team can accelerate Ajinca development, since he will now have another french player on the team. I still hope we trade felton! The deal also allows the team to have cap space during the biggest free agent summer in the history of the NBA.

Phoenix got a nice addition b/c he fits into their style IMO. He can feed off Steve and Amare. That's perfect for him b/c he doesn't have to shoulder the load at the end of games. J-Rich is not a go to guy, so Phoenix will be great.

Posted by: Bobcatsfan | Dec 11, 2008 7:47:00 AM

Raja Bell's contract is up at the end of the season, the bobcats liked singletary a lot in predraft workouts but he was just added to the deal to make it work. Diaw has another 2 years on his deal (although $9 mil/year is a little much). I think we cleared up a lot of cap space for the deep free agent market in 2010 and will be better defensively til then. You can't expect them to turn the team they just had into a playoff team in one season with one trade... be realistic

Posted by: tim sanchez | Dec 11, 2008 7:52:07 AM

Are you people retarded? Wallace is not overpaid. He puts up 15-20ppg and contributes in a number of other ways. 9m/year is nothing for what he provides to the team. If you want to bitch about him being injury prone, take that route. But don't show your stupidity by saying he is overpaid for what he produces on the court, because he damn sure doesn't. We are paying Carroll almost 5m/year to sit on the bench. We are paying Mohammed around 6m/year to do the same thing. We will be paying Diaw almost as much as Wallace, and Diaw is an inferior player.

As for not being able to find a suitor for him because of his "contract," well, the Suns just fleeced us out of a borderline All-Star for a guy that makes the same amount, who is a worse player (Diaw).

As for Wallace making the All-Star team, he would have already if we were a better team. Same goes for Okafor. Losing teams get very little consideration.

People around here are such idiots. We weren't winning with Richardson, but we were winning a helluva lot more with him than without him. And he can be the starting SG on a championship caliber team, so you have that piece already. Neither Bell nor Diaw will be anything more than niche bench players on a real championship team. In a game that is decided by a few players, you don't trade quality for quantity. And it's debateable we even traded for quantity, since I would gladly take Richardson/Dudley over Diaw/Bell to begin with.

Diaw had become a fat malcontent in Phoenix; we probably could have gotten him for Dudley + filler anyway, and we give up arguably our best player for him and a 32-year-old guy that is on the downside of his career.

It's just poor planning. We may be slightly better with those two, but we aren't going to be any bigger threat with them as opposed to Richardson and Dudley, and no one is going to pay to watch Diaw and Bell. Just a poor move all around.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 8:22:52 AM

Rick, I am one of a number of Bobcats employees who read your blog and post. It seems like no matter how many posts we make to try to be positive and generate excitement for the team, you are always writing negative things about our team. Don't you know that we need our job? Don't you know we are in a bag economy? Why don't you write just good things...especially at Christmas. All of us are really worried about the future of this franchise and I would hope you would consider this. In the meantime, all of us at the Arena will still post as much as possible to get some positive vibe going.

Posted by: Rodney Pilgrim | Dec 11, 2008 8:26:05 AM

Just shows how much the Bobcats respect ol' Rick - sending him off on wild goose chases about Juwan Howard and Chris Kaman while they're dumping their go-to scorer and best recent draft pick for a 32-year-old thug, an overpaid Frenchman and more rookie deadweight at PG.

My guess that the "NBA executive" was Shinn or Wooldridge - who else in the league would call ol' Rick anyway?

Posted by: Musicmax | Dec 11, 2008 8:29:44 AM

make up your mind will. are we better with or without j rich.

"It's just poor planning. We may be slightly better with those two, but we aren't going to be any bigger threat with them as opposed to Richardson and Dudley, and no one is going to pay to watch Diaw and Bell. Just a poor move all around."


Richardson was our number 1 option. now he goes to being the number 3 or 4 option on a good team. That says a lot. We traded 1 real contributor for 2 real contributors and starters. We got out from under his contract and we got better. Face it. Look at Augustine's numbers when he starts (richardson out) compared to when he comes off the bench.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 11, 2008 8:57:52 AM

So the lowest scoring team in the NBA trades away their leading scorer. Makes sense to me.

What a joke of a franchise. I guess Jordan lost a bet to Kerr.

Posted by: TP | Dec 11, 2008 9:17:17 AM

I hate to see richardson go, and without him it will be boring watching the bobcats; but they were not winning with him. I think they had to take a chance. At least with Diaw and Bell, they become much better on the defense end. Perhaps with the development of Augustine, he will helps make up for the scoring lost. Also, this may be an opportunity for Morrison.

Posted by: Jim | Dec 11, 2008 9:22:32 AM

I've already said what I think. We may be slightly better with Diaw and Bell, but that is because they fill needs (Diaw in particular), not because they are better players. If we had literally any option at PF, we would be a better team with Richardson and that PF than we would be with Diaw and Bell.

As for Richardson, he will be #2, possibly a #3 option at worst. Stoudemire is the only player that will get consistently more shots than him.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 9:40:48 AM

I agree with Jim above, the Bobcats needed to take a chance. They are instantly better on defense. However, there is one question I have. If they are planning to trade Wallace for a center, then why did they trade for Diaw? If they trade for a center, then they would have traded Richardson for two backups.

Posted by: Nextboat | Dec 11, 2008 9:41:40 AM

That's such a stupid argument. "We weren't winning with him." So? That wasn't his fault. He was one of our best players. It's the fault of idiotic management and poor coaching. It's been a merry-go-round at PF, and Brown has been breaking this team down and "teaching them to play the right way," which means they play in ways they aren't used to, which causes us to suck and be one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

Bosh's Raptors aren't winning, so does he suck? Should they get rid of him? Is it all his fault?

Granger's Pacers aren't winning, so does he suck? Should they get rid of him? Is it all his fault?

You can go on and on. There's only so far a good player can take a team by himself. It's not their fault their teams aren't better. Without them, they would be even worse.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 9:46:16 AM

The team was playing decent defense before the trade. I think the D will be even better with the newest additions. I like Richardson as a player and I am happy he is able to play for a playoff team. I am not worried about the scoring that needs to be made up. The Bobcats weren't scoring a lot with Richardson and I cannot imagine them scoring a lot less without him. If Wallace or Felton are traded, I want them to go to good teams too. They deserve that much.

Posted by: Token | Dec 11, 2008 9:59:41 AM

Will,

The Bobcats were not winning with Richardson; that is the truth, that does not mean he sucks as you point out; it means the Bobcats were not winning with him. Learn to read. What is the worst that can happen with this trade? The Bobcats will lose; what a shocker! At least with this trade the team gets better on defense.

Posted by: Jim | Dec 11, 2008 10:00:28 AM

I am not resting all my faith in the Bobcats on the development of Sean May! He will bring home a championship; just like he did at UNC

Posted by: Nextboat | Dec 11, 2008 10:04:36 AM

I meant to say, "I am NOW resting all my faith in the Bobcats on the development of Sean May! He will bring home a championship; just like he did at UNC"

Posted by: Nextboat | Dec 11, 2008 10:06:00 AM

Just think, going into the 2004 draft there were much speculation as to whether the Magics were going to draft Okafor or Howard. Imagine if they had selected Okafor, and the Bobcats had selected Howard. Then imagine the lottery balls falling into the proper place allowing the Bobcats to get Paul in the 2005 draft. Would it not be awesome to have Howard and Paul on the same team! Certainly, Charlotte would support that team. Only in a dream world.

Posted by: Nextboat | Dec 11, 2008 10:11:36 AM

Need proof Michael Jordan is an idiot; consider this. Recall he traded Brandon Wright for Jason Richardson. Richardson becomes the teams leading scorer, while Brandon Wright, a 6”10 power forward, averages 8 points and 4 rebounds for Golden State. Now Jordon trades Richardson for Boris Diaw, a 6”8 power forward who averages, umm, let’s see, 8 points and 4 rebounds. Couple that with the fact that Wright would have been paid under the rookie scale and well, you get the point.

Posted by: CJ | Dec 11, 2008 10:18:43 AM

And it's unlikely we will be winning with Diaw or Bell, either. And unless we are able to overcome our offensive deficiencies, it's quite possible we could be even worse, regardless of whether or not our defense improves.

We're EASILY the lowest scoring team in the NBA, averaging 89.8ppg.

The best defensive team in the NBA allows 90.5ppg.

Do the math. We could improve to the best defensive team in the league (highly unlikely), but unless we score more, which is gonna be pretty damn hard to do seeing as how we traded away our best scorer -- we're going to suck. Period.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 10:26:26 AM

I read these post and it's so damn laughable at the thing you guys write. I guess being in charlotte you are so use to losing you cant accept change. J-Rich gave plenty of great highlights and thats good for sportscenter but in this case it didn't equal wins the Bobcats were running out the same starting five from years past and look where that got us. Keep the damn Richardson highlights and give me some solid defense and some guys that play team ball anyday. Larry Brown knows what he is doing and while you guys sit and bash management give them credit for getting Larry brown it was an admission of past screw ups and a cry for help from two guys that have a hell of a lot of pirde. D.J. Augustine is going to be a great ball player and as of late you can see Anjinca has some better than raw skills even a 18ft jumper would would have thunk it...If you check the forums on this site I broke the trade story hours before anywhere there are other trades to come and im happy to see it... Go Bobcats!

Posted by: FREAK21 | Dec 11, 2008 10:27:15 AM

Will,
We weren't winning with him and we haven't been winning with him. The difference between him and Bosh is that Bosh is an MVP candidate on slow starting team that has made the playoffs time and time again. Richardson is a at best a number 3 option behind stoudemire, shaq (who went for 35 on monday), and him and nash will split the 3rd option. This offeense that Terry Porter runs isn't built for a 2 guard. it's built from the outside in. J Rich will average maximum 14 ppg for the Suns.

Whereas if you check Diaw's stats starting for the suns a couple years ago, he was going for 16, 7, and 4. Raja Bell could give you 10 ppg and great defense compared to Richardson 20ppg and giving up 15-20 a game.

We filled needs. That's what crazy about Charlotte fans. The Panthers give up two low round picks to fill a need and everyone thinks it's great. The Bobcats give up an overrated, injury prone guard to fill needs and people start losing it. It's all part of the process of a building a team and Richardson wasn't part of it. Wallace maybe, Okafor (after that new contract) is, Augustine is. Get used to, you don't build a new team with a new coach in two months. Especially with Jason Richardson as your top guy. Has he ever been a top guy, NO. Here he was and we lost, a lot.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 11, 2008 10:39:46 AM

Anyone that thinks Richardson is just a highlight guy doesn't know jack about the NBA. As for breaking the story, maybe your sources can hook you up with NBA League Pass so you know something about the players you are getting "inside info" about. You're no better than Steven A. Smith, a name-dropping jock sniffer that knows nothing about the NBA other than how to ask its players to be in his Fave 5.

Richardson was far from the biggest problem we had on this team. We traded away one of our best players for a positional need, and that guy turns out to be BORIS DIAW. How atrocious.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 10:40:11 AM

Richardson isn't injury prone. These recent few games have been the only games he's ever missed with us.

Another jackass that thinks he knows-it-all.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 10:41:59 AM

Bottomline is, Larry Brown believe in defense and this current team can't defend. YEs, we loss one of our few scoring options for more defense, but I think Larry wants to start with rebounding and defending in the paint more -- and thne worry about scoring.

This team sucks.. haha We arne't on pace to do much, so I really don't care if we mix it up and go with a more defensive minded team. It can't hurt one bit.

As far as upsetting the fans... have you seent he stands lately? Nobody is going? They didn't go after our owner forked over big bucks to pay Richardson and resign Wallace, so obviously nobody carries how much money we spent on our team and Richardson never became the face of our franchise.

So --- let's mix it up. I believe in Larry Brown. He knows what he's doing and all of his teams have relied on a point guard, great rebounders, tough defenders.

Posted by: Mike | Dec 11, 2008 11:05:03 AM

It's funny - my season ticket guy's line all off season when he was trying to get me to renew was "in Larry we trust." Well, as rick said, this trade is all Larry Brown. I think this team will be interesting to watch...very defensive minded, which can and does win. I dont mind it and am looking forward to seeing the results. I think one more trade - felton - is going to go down.

Posted by: HJ | Dec 11, 2008 11:16:15 AM

It's funny - my season ticket guy's line all off season when he was trying to get me to renew was "in Larry we trust." Well, as rick said, this trade is all Larry Brown. I think this team will be interesting to watch...very defensive minded, which can and does win. I dont mind it and am looking forward to seeing the results. I think one more trade - felton - is going to go down.

Posted by: HJ | Dec 11, 2008 11:16:31 AM

I am a Phoenix Suns season ticket holder and have been for about 10 years. While we will miss Raja Bell, he is definitely declining to the point where he was lit up by D. Wade for 40, Harris for 47, two nights later, and has been very inconsistent with the three point shot. Diaw has been a joke since his contract year. He refused to go to the hole hard and often passes up a sure 4 footer to pass out to the three point line. When you get 25 minutes and score a couple of points, grab a rebound or two and have 4 turnovers, you officially suck! You guys should want Jordan's head on a platter for making this trade. You will see.

BTW- J-Rich has one year less on his contract then Doris Meow has, so it doesn't even make sense from that standpoint.

I don't know anything about Dudley, so I guess I will wait and see with him.

Posted by: Phoenix Rick | Dec 11, 2008 11:38:54 AM

Just have faith in Larry Brown.

Posted by: Bobcats | Dec 11, 2008 11:49:00 AM

I think Morrison is going to get more minutes and I hope he keeps his production up.

DJ is definitely going to get more minutes and I hope he can repeat the game he had in N.O. last night.

Felton should get traded next. I'm a tarheel fan and I'm disgusted with his play. He has improved this year, but he's still shooting less than 40% from the field and less than 30% from 3pt territory. Plus he takes the most shots on the team as of now. Is Felton our go to guy?

Posted by: Bobcatsfan | Dec 11, 2008 11:58:10 AM

dougie I have to agree with u sir..at first I was like WTF?? when I heard the trade went down but then I thought about it..

Remember when Amare was hurt and Boris Diaw was the man in PHX? Well now we can let him start the 4 and let GW play his natural position until he gets moved. I do think that with Singletary (who looked good in his early season action) being included Felton's days are numbered also..Diaw also lets May come off the bench against other bench players where he may be more effective.

Bell is the big body guard we need who can play defense and knock down the 3 with regularity. As much as I dig J-Rich he has always been very limited in his game. Good for dunks and 3s but not much else. Cant defend any of us on this post and cant get his own shot, he should work well in PHX.

I also have to agree that GW is overpaid. As much as I dig his effort, his is extrememly limited in what he brings to the game. If he were on a good team he would be the 6th man at best! Only reason he gets 20ppg is be he has no choice. Im not knocking GW bc he plays like a man on fire but lets be real guys!

Lets see what other deals are in the pipelines b4 we all jump off the top of TWC arena..LOL..We were probably only going to win 35-39 games anyway so what was there to lose?

Posted by: Bobcat Terry | Dec 11, 2008 12:33:03 PM

Please check on Bobcats record since acquiring Richrdson. I believe they have a better record when either wallace or Richardson did not play as opposed when the 2 played "together". Larry knows there is only one ball. Raja bell is a great player.

Posted by: Philly Joe | Dec 11, 2008 12:36:51 PM

I didn't get to read everyone's comments because there are so many, so I don't know if these things have been touched on.

First of all, Diaw is under contract until 2011 for $9M a season. Talk about overpaid.

Second, we don't need to add defense. Larry is unhappy with the D? Does he know that we have the 6th best defense in the league and are dead last in offense? I think we know what areas have to be improved on, and it's offense and rebounding. We just traded our best trade piece and most consistent scorer for some role players. If we were going to trade him, we needed to at least get comparable offense or expiring contracts in return. We got neither.

Trading for a center is only good if that center can score and shoot. Otherwise, having two Okafors in the post isn't going to help all that much. Okafor's game is pure center, even though he has the body of a PF, he needs someone who will have complimentary skills beside him, and 9 times out of 10 that guy will be a PF, so that's where we should really be looking.

If we're going to trade Felton and Wallace they better package them to get a real quality big in return, or at least be able to move Carroll or Nazr's contract with them for a shorter, more reasonable contract. Though I honestly think its unlikely that they pull off a decent trade. Maybe they get Brad Miller, which would be fine. They get what they need for now and his contract is almost up.

Realistically, until we get a number 1 pick we're probably going to be garbage. It's just too difficult to acquire a star big man.

On the other end, the Suns should be pretty dangerous now. Nash, J-Rich, Barbosa, Shaq and Stoudamire is a scary lineup, possibly the best starting lineup in the league if they decide to start Barbosa. Even if Barnes is starting, its still scary.

Posted by: Eddie | Dec 11, 2008 12:58:01 PM

I can't believe some of the comments on this page.

Were we winning with Richardson? No. Were we a better team with Richardson? You'd be CRAZY if you said no. We're LAST in the league in ppg, and it's going to be much, MUCH worse now without a 20 ppg scorer. In terms of entertainment value, how do you guys feel about the Bobcats consistently putting up 70-80 ppg? Have fun with that.

And would you all care to tell me how this makes us a better defensive team? Please, do tell. Bell is on the wrong side of 30, and pretty much every hoops expert has pointed out how his play has slipped dramatically the last few years. If you don't believe me scroll up and read the comments from Phoenix Rick. Diaw is no better. He's got a SF body, plays like a PG, and gets matched against PFs... and he has NEVER EVER been a good defensive player. NEVER EVER EVER. I won't even comment on Singletary because he'll be lucky to be in the NBA in 2 years.

This trade makes the bobcats uncommonly bad. We must officially be setting up for a "tank every game and pray the lottery balls reward us" kind of season. I hope Blake Griffin is worth 3/4 of a season of unwatchable basketball.

Ugh.

Posted by: David | Dec 11, 2008 1:19:27 PM

Here in Arizona we saw Diaw win the NBA's most improved player, starting as the Suns won ~60 games (the year Stoudamire was out with knee surgery). He needs to start or else an attitude problem; doesn't like to train in the off-season, likes his French wine with dinner... Basically, Boris is a head case; but if MJ can inspire, he can bloom again.
Bell older, has lost a quarter-step, but a true locker-room motivator.
Between them, call it 60 minutes per game on teams that won at least 54 games each of the last 4 seasons.
In the East those 6-7-8 playoff spots are up for grabs. Very possibly these 2 guys will get you there.

.

Posted by: AZJames | Dec 11, 2008 1:28:25 PM

Guys try to look at it this way, maybe with this new trade we will loose so many games that we get to pick up Blake Griffin in the Draft. By that point I assume Wallace and Felton will be gone, May will weigh 900 pounds, and Larry Brown will have retired admitting that 'he just doesn't have it anymore'

Until Jordan is gone this team is going nowhere, he ruined the Wizards, and he'll do the same to us.

Posted by: Sell the Bobcats! | Dec 11, 2008 2:03:19 PM

atrocious?

yet you think this trade makes us better. You are making no sense Will. you're probably a 13 year old kid that owns a J Rich jersey. you're mad cause you should have gotten the DJ jersey instead. be smart and shut your mouth. watch nba tv, or even espn and you'll see that there are more trades to come. Wallace and maybe even Felton. i'll pay you a lot of money if richardson turns phoenix into a playoff, finals or even division winnner. like he didn't do here or in golden state until they got harrington, jackson, davis.

maybe you need to stop spouting off about how you have nba league pass and pay attention to what we're getting. the trade's done and either way we're stuck with what we have. diaw will strive here in a starting role and bell needs a different type of system then the one larry brown had. there's a reason steve nash wasn't enamored with the deal. those players are good and phoenix will soon realize that j rich isn't a game changing player. of course he averaged 20 year, who else was going to. oh yeah, dj did when he was in the starting lineup and Richardson was hurt!

"There's a good reason for that. J-Rich is not much of a dribbler. Unlike former Sun Joe Johnson, who could create a second shot for himself or others once the three-pointer or lob was taken away in transition, Richardson can't put the ball on the floor and explore other options. It's either a three-pointer, or a dunk. He's NBA Jam, essentially." quote from an NBA writer...

Posted by: dougie | Dec 11, 2008 2:11:24 PM

David Aldridge in an NBA.com video on the trade: "You know Larry, I mean five minutes in he wants to trade everybody on his team and this is no different. You know he wants to bring in a defensive guy. I can tell you Gerald Wallace is probably going to be dealt within the next week if not sooner."

"So thy're going to shake it up and try to get some more defensive-minded guys on that team."

Mr. Bonnell, what is the word on this?

Bonnell: "Still a caution: David Aldridge (a friend and a good reporter) makes it sound like Gerald will be traded just because he's available. Doesn't work that way. You must have a trade partner who both wants the guy enough to give you something of value and WANTS HIS CONTRACT. If that were available, J-Rich would still be a Bobcat."


Mr. Bonnell, your words make it sound like we traded J-Rich because we couldn't trade Gerald & his contract. Basically, making a trade for the sake of change, but I say that was dumb in this particular case.

Second, I didn't know if DA maybe knew something???? I don't think he would report that GW would be gone just because he is available... that would be irresponsible & false reporting on his part.

Any word on who might be a target outside of Kaman or Camby?

Posted by: Yeah? | Dec 11, 2008 2:14:20 PM

NBA Jam was awesome. MONSTER JAM! BOOM SHAKALAKA!!

Posted by: HE'S ON FIRE! | Dec 11, 2008 2:18:41 PM

Are you stupid, dougie? It can make us better because WE FINALLY HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY PF. We had no one to play PF. We've gone through how many players so far this season, trying to find ANYONE that could give us quality minutes at PF? For that reason alone, it could make us win a few more games. But it doesn't make us BETTER. It's adding a few more meaningless wins because we finally filled a position we needed to fill all along, but it's a horrible trade because we did so AT THE EXPENSE OF TRADING AWAY ONE OF OUR BEST PLAYERS.

We had NO ONE that could play PF. We have a few guys that can play SG. But guess what? If we could have traded one of those lesser players for ANY WARM BODY THAT COULD JUSTIFY STARTING AT PF, we'd be better off than trading away ONE OF OUR BEST PLAYERS TO FILL THAT SAME NEED.

We could be better, not because Boris Diaw and Raja Bell are so great, but because we finally have somebody that can play PF. We would have been even better if we could find somebody that could play PF, and kept Richardson and Dudley.

Trade away Morrison, or Carroll, or Mohammed, or Felton, for the best PF possible. Instead, we gave up one of our best players for a what will amount to a very average PF.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 2:35:36 PM

read through your statement about how many times did you say we are better from this trade. we needed a pf. what do we have an abundance of. wing players. What is J-richardson? a wing player. could felton move over to 2 and we start augustin? could augustin score 20 a game like he has when j rich has been out of the lineup?

all questions that have been answered. if trading j rich gets us 4 more wins i'll take it. he's not a top player that fits on this team. everyone here knows it and you'll see when he starts to play for a big time team. what about him are you so obessed with that makes you believe he is a no. 1 option on a team or even a no. 2. he won 2 dunk contests! that doesn't mean anything. 20 ppg on a bad team isn't GOOD. 18 ppg on a bad team isn't GOOD. we needed a servicable pf and we got one. we got an average 2 guard that can defend a whole lot better. so go put the j rich jersey up and forget about it cause he ain't coming back. thank god.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 11, 2008 3:45:06 PM

J-Rich has never been a go to guy in a good team. Diaw and Bell have been good players in a championship contender. Bell has been a all defensive team and Diaw is a talented versatile player ( who can also score 20 points if needed). J-Rich has won the slam dunk contest.there's a difference of pedigree. Ok he is a good offensive player but not a stellar one . I think this is a good trade. The bobcats weren't going anywhere. and if i remember well morrison was a hell of offensive player during his college days...


Posted by: tomate | Dec 11, 2008 5:02:07 PM

Dougie, you're a damn idiot. We also would have been "better" if we traded Augustin for a mediocre PF and a throw-in PG just so we had an extra one on the roster, but would that have been a smart thing to do? Of course not. But it would have made us "better!" Diaw will not make us better because he is any way comparable to Richardson's talent, it would be simply because of the position he plays. And you don't need to trade your best player to fill a position need. That's retarded, and this trade was retarded.

And you're just spewing more stupidity. I don't give a damn about whether Richardson won a dunk contest. I do give a damn that he has been the only guy in our entire existence able to average 20ppg and do so efficiently. He was one of the league's best 3pt shooters last year. And he's the closest thing we had to a go-to guy. And now that's all gone, for an over-the-hill defender and a mediocre, lazy, malcontent PF who spent most of his career milking his one good season.

If scoring 20ppg was so easy to do on a bad team, we'd have more players that did it. I can guaran-damn-tee you that Diaw won't be averaging 20ppg.

The Bobcats "weren't going anywhere" because we dicked around with Vincent last year, and are now watching Larry Brown turn us into NY South. He'll probably hate Diaw mid-January. He's doing the same crap as before. He can't win with the players he has, so he wants management to bend over backwards to bring in crap players that still won't help him win. Once he realizes that, he'll leave us, too.

It's just pathetic. We would have been a helluva lot worse without Richardson. Freaking Diaw and Bell aren't going to take us any further than Richardson and Dudley would have. You're fooling yourselves.

Posted by: Will | Dec 11, 2008 8:13:50 PM

so basically you are saying hte trade makes us better but we should n't make trades that make us better?

then you say diaw and bell aren't going to take us further than dudley and richardson would have. but yet still saying we are better because we filled a need.

will, give up the fight, you're losing my friend.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 12, 2008 12:17:52 AM

come one Dougie, stop trying to twist words. Its clear what everyone is saying...Richardson was a hell of an athlete, a fan favorite, and clearly the best guy on this team. It sucks that the bobcats traded him, but what makes it worse is what they traded him for. You didnt have to tade a player the quality of Richardson for an unproven, notoriously lazy PF that was riding the pine in phoenix, along with an over the hill defender in the twighlight of his sub par career. Its just stupid. Sure we get a PF that looks good on paper, but it seems like we shouldve gotten him for so much less. The fact that we had to give up richardson just shows what highway robbery this is. And you can claim JRich to be limited all you want, but I'll gladly take a shooting guard that can hit all those threes and can take it to the basket, draw those fouls and make those dunks. Someone who can spread the floor and get to the basket..yeah what a burden to have on your team. And then people try to argue "we were'nt winning with him so who cares"...well he never had the chance people! You bring him in and let him play under Sam Vincent...Kobe and Lebron were'nt going to win in that situation, your coach was a bumbling idiot. Then you bring in Brown to correct that. But Richardson didnt have a chance to prove himself. He missed 10 games and then got shipped as the team started to show more promise under brown and all of the new offensive and defensive schemes he was implementing. So how can you say you were'nt winning with him...And then people are saying "were on track to win this many games"...what you do the first 20 games of the season doesnt represent what you're capable of doing the last 30...look at the warriors when they made their playoff push a couple of years ago with Richardson...there is no way anyone predicted that one at the time, not even warrior fans...so the fact that you're "on pace" to win 28 games is just stupid.

I hope Boris Diaw is worth this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFAG77O9KSw

Posted by: SF Bobcats | Dec 12, 2008 12:07:27 PM

one last thing...the bobcats better hope that diaw and bell lead to a LOT more victories than what Richardson would have theoretically lead the cats to, or that the cats make more trades that justify losing him, otherwise, why the hell is anyone going to go to a game. At least if they lost, your go to guy brought some excitement...whats exciting about watching Raja Bell sliding his feet if you end up with the same result?

Posted by: SF Bobcats | Dec 12, 2008 12:13:09 PM

this team lost 5 out of 6 before he was traded. we weren't showing promise and he doesn't FIT here. get used to it. watch the new cats represent tonight and look for Wallace to be gone next WEEK!

Change?

YES WE CAN!

Posted by: dougie | Dec 13, 2008 10:45:05 AM

Persuasive argument dougie..."he didnt fit"...good job

Posted by: SF Bobcats | Dec 13, 2008 2:19:32 PM

sf bobcats,
you're an idiot.
losing isn't exciting. how many times with j rich did we come from 29 down to make it a game. thank you. this team is better.

Posted by: dougie | Dec 15, 2008 10:09:55 AM

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