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May 20, 2010

Might Bobcats trade into the draft?

Right now the Charlotte Bobcats have no picks in the June 24 draft. Don't be surprised if that changes between now and draft night.

I'm at the NBA's draft combine in Chicago, and I hear the Bobcats are at least subtly investigating what it would cost to trade in -- maybe late into the first round, but more realistically into the second. If they do acquire a pick -- and it's not that hard to trade into the second round -- a name to keep in mind is Alabama point guard Mikhail Torrance.

Torrance said at a media session today that he's scheduled for a job interview here with Bobcats management. That makes some sense. He's a big kid for his position -- roughly 6-5 -- who can play some at either guard spot but has demonstrated the decision-making and defense to be a pro point guard.

Bobcats coach Larry Brown likes to have at least one reserve point guard who is big and can slide over to shooting guard in a pinch. Torrance roughly fits that description and with Raymond Felton entering unrestricted free-agency, this team isn't as deep at the point as it once appeared. 

Posted by Observer Sports on May 20, 2010 at 04:23 PM | Permalink


Are any other NBA franchises (who did not squander previous lottery picks, who did not foolishly acquire back-loaded player contracts for immediate impact, and who now have lots of salary cap room), are these teams 'subtly investigating' second round picks in this shockingly weak draft? Didn't think so.

Posted by: Real NBA fan | May 20, 2010 5:02:57 PM

We can use whatever help we can get at the guard spots... Someone that can drain the 3 pointer comes to mind.

Posted by: PantherDave | May 20, 2010 5:12:34 PM

It sort of looks bad to some fans for the Bobcats to not have any draft picks, but I fear adding a draft pick would only provide cover for the bobcats to let Felton leave as a free agent.

Posted by: FaithandTruth | May 20, 2010 6:15:48 PM

Good Move, I think felton is gone. Being that he is the best free agent pg, he will be overpaid atleast 9mil a yr, maybe by NY or Dall. MJ will not do it. Rick, is there anybody else they maybe looking at or who do think make sense as possible late round or Free Agent steal that will benefit the cats

Posted by: Deon | May 20, 2010 6:32:59 PM

Felton has Chauncy Billiups like potential; however at this time what he would command in salary exceeds what we should give him. In my opinion, DJ seems undersized- but I still have to think he is better than what we've seen to date.

Let Felton walk, with some regret.

Give the 9th pick (DJ) the keys to the car and say "it's yours, now".
(Unless we rec'd a nice trade offer for him).

Posted by: The Dark Knight | May 20, 2010 6:44:03 PM

Whoever said this is a weak draft is not reading what I'm reading. This draft is strong, especially in 1st round territory, and that is the saddest part of losing our pick. I'm wondering if anyone has cap space to absorb Diaw and is willing to surrender a 1st round (outside of lottery) pick for him?

Posted by: Mark | May 20, 2010 7:07:14 PM

Ive read the Hawks was shopping their pick for 3 million cash. They don't want to add more salary if they sign jojo to a max deal.

Posted by: Bobcatsfan | May 20, 2010 9:10:30 PM

I have to disagree with The Dark Knight's comparison of Felton to Billups. Billups is an all-star with great size, an excellent free throw shooter and solid 3 point shooter. Unfortunately for Felton, he reached his max potential late in his rookie season when he was putting up numbers that were comparable to Chris Paul that year.

Felton choked away his possible bigtime contract with his performance this postseason. Although he didn't play horribly, he was clearly outplayed by Jameer Nelson.

Posted by: Ricky D | May 20, 2010 9:52:26 PM

You shouldn't perceive what I wrote here as the Bobcats trying to make some big move. For instance, I'd find it hard to believe (not impossible, but hard to believe) that the Bobcats would buy the Hawks' pick for $3 million, then guarantee a first-round contract and then risk going into the luxury tax.
I'm suggesting something much simpler and more self-contained: There's some guy they like (the Alabama point guard, for instance, but not exclusively). That person drifts to the bottom of the first round or into the second (like some of you complained, when they didn't go after Blair). So it's the opposite of last season (when they had too many picks) and they trade in to try out someone who's intriguing but has a learning curve.
They already have three kids -- Henderson, Brown and Ajinca -- so they don't need bodies just to be bodies. This isn't the NFL, where you need guys on suicide duty for special teams. But if you can surgically add a second-rounder who intrigues you, go for it.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | May 20, 2010 10:09:21 PM

What about trying to nab Willie Warren at the end of round 1 or beginning of round 2?....or waiting on Matt Bouldin (prototypical Larry Brown type of guy)

Posted by: brad | May 20, 2010 10:12:00 PM

True, Ricky- but remember it took Billups quite a while to come into his own-- how many teams was he on before the Pistons? (and LB, coincidently)...

Posted by: The Dark Knight | May 20, 2010 10:20:20 PM

Actually, Felton and Billups were nearly identical in 3pt shooting percentage...38.5% vs 38.6% I was not too impressed with either during the playoffs.

I am not sure that not having a draft choice will matter that much since LB typically don't play rookies. I'm hoping that Henderson, Brown and Ajinca will get more time next season. They will basically be rookies based on their past playing time.

Posted by: Murrell | May 20, 2010 10:27:49 PM

They should go get Shannon Brown who they traded to the Lakers.

Posted by: Chris | May 20, 2010 10:33:09 PM

I say we let Felton walk, either get Steve Blake, Luke Redinor or even Shaun Livingstone(who's healthy now, young and played good ball for the Wizards at the end of the season), we could probably get these guys for cheap.Then we get into the second round and take Paulo Prestes, the Brazilian Beast!We'd have excellent size and youth at the center position for years to come.

Posted by: jah p | May 20, 2010 10:37:08 PM

Andy Ruatins, Senior out Syracuse. 3 piont shooter, Best BBall IQ out of college.

Posted by: Ant M | May 20, 2010 11:07:57 PM

As long as they don't give up another future first round pick, it might be worth a shot.

Posted by: Ari | May 20, 2010 11:13:40 PM

I say MJ needs to use some of his Wizards connections to make a trade for Arenas since they'll probably draft Wall anyway and Arenas needs a fresh start.

Posted by: 2 Cents | May 20, 2010 11:35:44 PM

2 cents:
Arenas is owed -- guaranteed -- about $20 million over each of the next four seasons.
I'm sure the Wizards would take that call from Jordan. You sure you want him to do that?

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | May 20, 2010 11:44:30 PM

Ant M:
I might be the biggest Andy Rautins sell-out possible. I went to Syracuse with his dad and i think Andy has skills and moxie. But he's a guy you look really smart taking in the second round and really silly trading into the first round to acquire.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | May 20, 2010 11:47:35 PM

I would try to get into the 2nd round and grab Jordan Crawford from Xavier... a point guard who can shoot, drive to the hoop, pass and play some solid D. He had a great year and the game he showed in the tourney was sweet. He's 6'4", 195 lbs, a 1st round talent that somehow is going to slide into the 2nd.

Posted by: Rob | May 20, 2010 11:49:00 PM

Raymond Felton is not an elite point guard. Let him go "wherever" for a future draft pick. If the Charlotte Bobcats are smart, they will trade Tyson Chandler to Golden State for Monta Ellis (superior scorer/defender) and 3pt specialist Anthony Morrow. I live in San Francisco and know for a fact that the city and the Warriors do not want Monta on this team any longer. They want to build around Stephen Curry. Plus, it's time to develop Ajinca who has a better set of scoring skills than any big man we have on the team. Getting this deal done and the return of Larry Brown will push this team to great heights!

Posted by: The Great Prognosticator | May 21, 2010 12:00:25 AM

Shannon Brown is great at dunking but he doesn't excel at much else. He is a point guard that averages 1 assist per game over his career (yes I know he plays mostly the 2 for LA. But how do you get only 1 a game passing to Gasol and Bynum?). He isn't a great ballhandler either. He can hit shots, but usually they're open jumpers resulting from good team ball rotation and the opponents overcompensating on help defense.

His 3 point % isn't too hot either. This season, which everyone would call his best year, he shot 32.8% from behind the arc. 5 current Bobcats shot better than that this season (in order from highest to lowest): DJ Augustin, Raymond Felton, Gerald Wallace, LARRY FREAKING HUGHES, Stephen "I never met a jumpshot I didn't like" Jackson. Just missing the cut by .8% were Boris Diaw and Stephen "baseline jam" Graham.

In conclusion, don't let high flying dunks cloud your judgment of a player's skills. Remember Chris Carr? Gerald Green? Stromile Swift? The only difference is that Shannon is playing on a championship team with a weak bench and a huge market. He does have some upside though and will continue to develop but frankly, I don't see a whole lot there besides a bench player who gets the crowd excited for one play a game.

Posted by: Yo | May 21, 2010 12:30:23 AM

Tyson Chandler for Monta Ellis AND Anthony Morrow? Please put down that crack pipe if you ever think that will happen. Monta himself will command a 1st round pick, and there is no way Tyson is even worth a 2nd round at this point.

Posted by: KYL | May 21, 2010 1:13:54 AM

Sure would be nice to have Ty Lawson instead of NBA bust Gerald Henderson about now. Don't know if I'll ever get over the Henderson pick.

Posted by: Tino | May 21, 2010 8:49:30 AM

Rick, what is the word on bringing back Guard Flip Murray or TJ Ford and Brandon Rush from Indy?

Posted by: Daniel R. | May 21, 2010 9:23:43 AM

hey rick can you answer this question, would you think it would be better for jordan to look to sign a veteran shooter, say a kirk hinrich who can play pg and sg who will most likely be gone from chicago next year, why not look for a veteran sg from teams who are letting players go to free up salary cap space for the big splash at the fa, and jordan do have chicago connections..

Posted by: nbafan | May 21, 2010 9:25:14 AM

Dwatne Wade, I repeat Dwayne Wade

Posted by: BobcatN NV | May 21, 2010 9:35:00 AM

I'd say Murray is iffy, in that they need to start developing Gerald Henderson, who they're already paying. I would think the idea of trading for Ford might be revisited since they don't know if Felton is coming back at a price they can afford.
Every decision the Bobcats make this summer will have a definite money element because they're already on the books for nearly $60 million

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | May 21, 2010 11:22:07 AM

i want kirck hinrich since the bulls don't want him, i think the bobcats are no longer need of rookies, but veterans who will be available due to the big fee agent class of this year, jordan get on the phone and make some of your connections happen, give me a pg/sg that can shoot, we need some shooters, no rookies..

Posted by: nbafan | May 21, 2010 11:38:58 AM

i think it would be a good idea to try at least get a 2nd round pick. I heard that there were over 80 players that declared for the draft and international players. add the fact the seniors that are in the draft, the bobcats could get some good value plus not investing a lot.

Posted by: flip | May 21, 2010 12:05:32 PM

Would you trade every point guard on your roster for John Wall. And, if you needed to up the ante, would you trade next year's first rounder too.

Posted by: Backerman | May 21, 2010 12:47:05 PM

MJ is miserable at judging college talent as it translates to NBA productivity. That's not even debateable. The best moves we've made have all been via trade in the MJ era. Trading IN to the draft where he clearly has no clue is about the dumbest move we could make at this point. The laundry list of terrible draft picks is too long to list. What we need is a legit scorer who can get their shot by themselves. Why can't we let Felton go and run after a Barbosa type or do what really needs to be done and get a proven 20+ pt/gm person who can get their own shot in a one-on-one situation? I love our current D and athleticism.

Posted by: Adam | May 21, 2010 1:58:17 PM


Yeah because one season is enough to declare whether a player is a bust or not.

Let's take a look. Henderson played 355 minutes in his rookie season. Another player played 430 minutes in his rookie season. Not a big difference in time played; the difference is inconsequential. That second player went on to be an all-star. His name: Gerald Wallace. Steve Nash, 2-time NBA MVP played 684 minutes his rookie year. Blake Griffin played 0 minutes this year. Is he a bust?

Please don't call a player a bust before they ever play meaningful minutes; it shows your ignorance.

Posted by: Yo | May 21, 2010 2:50:03 PM

Yeah, Flip said he wanted to come back to Charlotte if we wanted him. Can we afford him at a reasonable price and when will we get any word on contract offers for ray (better not offer more than 6mill/yr) and Ty Thomas !?

Posted by: Elliot | May 21, 2010 3:08:05 PM

I hope charlotte gets a real pg who actually has leadership skills. Bobcats have never had that and never will with Felton. He sucks plain and simple. After pg, they could use a strong big man and definitely needs someone who can hit threes!

Posted by: P-wood | May 21, 2010 4:47:26 PM

Please trade away Tyson Chandler. He's a straight up bum. We already have 5 center on our roster anyways. Let's try to get a 3 point shooter or a decent point guard.

Posted by: Cory | May 21, 2010 7:49:10 PM

why are we so sure that Felton is gone? That dosen't make any sense. Felton is solid.

Posted by: Nate | May 21, 2010 8:21:44 PM

And here we go again,Bonnell thinks he's the premier GM.What a joke Rick you suck get another job

Posted by: Bonnelcrapshispants | May 21, 2010 8:54:12 PM

@ Tino

what gives you the right to say Henderson was a bust? the fact that he wasnt able to start because of Gerald Wallace? or get minutes because of flip Murray,? get sum sense idiot

Posted by: parker | May 21, 2010 10:43:54 PM

monta ellis is a ball hog and while he would bring speed and talent and what not to our team he holds on to the ball to long. But anothony marrow is a legit player in this league and is a lethal weapon from behind the arc. i could see him coming in an making a huge impact on the cats. but monta idk. and they wouldnt take that trade anyway. and gilbert arenas would be nice in a cats uniform i think he needs a new start an maybe would re-structure his contract.that would help his career and our team.

Posted by: reggie warren | May 22, 2010 2:38:38 PM

Torrance would be another in a line of players who the Bobcats have taken interest in after a solid PIT performance. He was apparently among the most impressive players there.

Posted by: Michael Procton | May 25, 2010 3:57:02 PM

how about that trade rumor elton brand and 2nd pick for whoever take that in a heart beat

Posted by: james wilson | May 29, 2010 1:57:10 PM

we need somebody to build around in the draft (if we get a pick) or get some body via trade or free agency its a no brainer stephen jackson is a ball hog and gerald wallace could be a superstar if he shows it like on breakaway dunks

Posted by: james wilson | May 29, 2010 2:01:38 PM

did u here rumor about getting elton brand and the 2nd pick if we get that trade whoever we get thats not a bust we should be build around but if he isint a superstar just a goood player that is starting potenital than get a free agent maybee a chris bosh thats what we need

Posted by: james wilson | May 29, 2010 2:03:41 PM

Well, I honestly hope Raymond Gets Traded to NY where he can play his game. Raymond Is A Great Point Guard When he gets to play his game. Coach Brown is a good coach but loves to try to teach during games. Raymond shouldn't have to come down and look at the coach to get the play every single time. Let him play.... trust me this guy is good. Bikerstaff and Brown slowed Raymond Game Down!!

Posted by: Really Though | Jun 6, 2010 7:04:20 PM

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