July 09, 2010
Nets offer sheet to Thomas in the offing?
Prepare for the possibility the New Jersey Nets sign power forward Tyrus Thomas to a front-loaded offer sheet that could make the Charlotte Bobcats blink.
The Nets lost out on the big-name free agents and still have a ton of cap room. They were quite generous in their offer to small forward Travis Outlaw (five years and $35 million) and feel they need a ready-to-play power forward, so as not to depend right away on rookie Derrick Favors.
The Nets have expressed interest in Thomas, the Bobcats' restricted free agent. With the Bobcats determined to avoid the luxury tax, it's conceivable they wouldn't match a front-loaded offer sheet, which would be most expensive the first season, then decrease in value each remaining year of the deal.
The Minnesota Timberwolves also could have tried this strategy, but now they've acquired Michael Beasley from the Miami Heat in a deal to relieve the Heat of a guaranteed salary.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 9, 2010 at 01:09 AM | Permalink
Yes, I have heard this reported in the NY area too. It will be interesting to see how the Cats respond. Bottom line, Cats have to somehow get creative and try to do something. The current roster will not be enough to compete next season, especially with all the FA moves that have just happened. Even the best case scenarios are kind of depressing, but you do have to find a way to bring in some new blood, to at least say you tried a bit.
Posted by: Ari | Jul 9, 2010 1:26:13 AM
the bobcats cannot and better not lose out on tyrus, NO!!!
Posted by: parker | Jul 9, 2010 1:29:34 AM
I cannot for the life of me understand why numerous news outlets reported the Bobcats interest in trading for Beasley today, yet it was never mentioned on this site??
Posted by: Tom | Jul 9, 2010 1:35:06 AM
I will cry large man tears if somebody gets Thomas from us.
Posted by: Bro D. | Jul 9, 2010 3:44:54 AM
Don't break the bank for Thomas, he's good but not worth what the Nets are willing to pay.
Posted by: D.W.G. | Jul 9, 2010 6:31:37 AM
I still can't understad how on Earch the bobcats are so close to the salary cap with such a mediocre team. Good grief, who is running this Titanic-sized mess?
Sorry Charlotte, you deserved better.
Posted by: TP | Jul 9, 2010 7:31:37 AM
Tyrus has to sign the NJ contract before we match it. We can offer him an equal contract that is structured properly and he will sign with us. He wants to play here, not for a rebuilding loser.
Posted by: Counter Offer | Jul 9, 2010 7:38:44 AM
If we lose Tyrus, it might be time to deal Chandler to the T-wolves for Al Jefferson. We need him badly. Unfortunately other offers will likely be better.
Posted by: Mark | Jul 9, 2010 8:11:19 AM
TP, I need you to explain what Charlotte deserves and why do we deserve it?...
Posted by: CHAN | Jul 9, 2010 8:25:15 AM
this is phenominal, not only did we miss out on beasley, but we're going to have to either overpay thomas or lose him (along with the 1st rounder we traded for him). effing phenominal.
the deal made great sense when we were talking about keeping him long term but i figured they would have already traded SOMEBODY (more specifically diaw) by now to make it easier to digest signing the guy for 8 million a year.
this isn't looking good at all. a 2nd round pick landed michael beasley. a 2nd round pick. you have got to be kidding me. if minnesota weren't so horrible, we'd be talking about how beasley is gonna put up gawdy numbers and single handedly turn a team around but i'm not sold on that with minnesota. maybe if rubio turns out to be anything.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 9, 2010 8:39:42 AM
btw chicago won. not only did they get boozer, keep deng, and still have cap room to bring some solid role players in......but they also have our first round pick in 2 years. effing incredible. can we get a real gm already. this is depressing.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 9, 2010 8:42:03 AM
Larry Brown, wait till season starts strategy is getting old,,,bobcats 12th seed in East..im serious..2 decent players can't cut it.
Posted by: JC | Jul 9, 2010 9:24:32 AM
I have a question:
I understand TT needs to sign the offer sheet, in order for the Bobcats to have to match it.
If he doesn't sign it (i beleive he is not obligated to do so), can the Bobcats agree with him to the same amount of guaranteed money but spread different?
Posted by: RobC | Jul 9, 2010 9:35:36 AM
Question: Does Thomas HAVE to accept the Nets offer if they made one? I mean hypothetically speaking, if the Nets made him a very lucrative offer, but he felt they were still rebuilding or whatever, could he himself decide to stay at Charlotte? Just a hypothetical; I'm not suggesting that he would actually turn down truckloads of money.
Posted by: Newsinz | Jul 9, 2010 9:40:16 AM
No, TT doesn't have to sign, he can reject any offer. Also remember the Bobcats have 7 days to match any offer he signs. They might be waiting to see what he is offered to know how much money they have to lose to keep him, if a contract is front loaded.
Posted by: Answer | Jul 9, 2010 10:04:05 AM
Rob and Newsinz:
Of course Thomas isn't obliged to sign an offer sheet. But that's circumventing the point. Sometimes the best way for a restricted free agent to maximize his value is to convince another team to provide an offer sheet. And it's silly for a team to draw up an offer sheet without a good chance of making the other team blink. It's an all-or-nothing strategy (at which the Bobcats have failed twice).
I should think Tyrus wants to be here, based on what he's said. But to expect him to sign with the Bobcats, on a discount relative to what another team might offer, is unrealistic.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Jul 9, 2010 10:11:30 AM
my guess is, he's leaving unless we guaruntee he's our starting 4 or getting 30+ minutes per game. Which otherwise.....why would we pay him? I mean favors is in no way ready to start in the nba right now and they don't have any other 4's under contract to my knowledge. and they've got a legitimate coach who IS going to be there not a flight risk. This is killing me. We've got 10 guys under contract not including thomas and of the 10......2 can't contribute much of anything.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 9, 2010 10:13:37 AM
If we lose Thomas because we're too cheap, that will be 6 #1 draft picks that have amounted to nothing (Felton, May, Ajinca 2, Morrison, Thomas).
That leaves 5 #1 draft picks that still have a chance of being worth something (Chandler's expiring contract, SJack 2, DJ, Hendu)
When you use 11 first-round picks in 6 years, and you end up with 0 star players, and 2-3 average starters, your team has NO CHANCE.
And for those that think SJack is a star, I don't necessarily disagree that he's close, but he took 2 1st rounders to get (Dudley also went with Richardson to Phoenix, etc).
You could have a monkey throw darts at a draft board, and I'd put money on the monkey doing better than that.
Posted by: BobsRealist | Jul 9, 2010 11:20:27 AM
Rick, can you please tell us if the Cats are even interested in Jefferson, or in the hunt for him? Secondly, could we have withdrawn our offer for Tyrus (figuring we'd lose him to a ridiculous offer), created cap space and traded a 2nd to Miami for Beasley? Had we gotten him we would not have kept Tyrus unless we could move low-value Diaw.
Posted by: Mark | Jul 9, 2010 11:41:59 AM
answering earlier question, if new jersey offers a contract to thomas, its because thomas' agent is in talks with jersey and the contract is basically written up with thomas in mind, meaning no offer comes from a team with the players reps making more the 50% of the structure of the offer. it would also be a money making move, indicating thomas' true intentions rather then a WANT to play under larry brown or the city of charlotte.
with the likley outcome being felton going to the knicks to play a fun and gun system and thomas getting a front end deal from jersey, we would be hurting. it would also mean we gave a 1st rounder to chicago for nothing.
its a clear indication that the best way for the nobobcats to gain talent here is via trade with players under contract for multiple years. people wont freely come to play here and most players except for gerald wallace wont realy stay here when there contract is up. we have had success bring in players, and higgins needs to get busy on the phone because we are gonna need more soon. guards like hinrich and talent like beasley are coming off the board for NOTHING, we have more then nothing to offer, we have chandlers contract we have diaw's skillset, we have blue chips like henderson. get busy higgins!!!
Posted by: brendan | Jul 9, 2010 11:49:38 AM
bob's realist......ajinca can't count for 2 picks. we traded 1 pick for 1 pick and used it on him. jackson and diaw combined took 3 picks....morrison, dudley, and wright turned into those 2. not 2 picks on jackson.
mark.....even if we could not have renounced thomas and made that work you can't tell me that there wasn't a single team in the league that had their eyes on thomas or henderson or brown or ajinca or mohommed's expiring contract or chandler's or whatever that could have been worked out to get beasley at a steal. we could have sent thomas to new jersey and gotten a future second SURELY.
this whole thing just makes me hate the bobcats. I mean it's laying out there for the taking and we just fall asleep and wake up with the world passing us by. and I'm among the few that think augustin can be a stud so i can only imagine how bad the rest of you can be taking this with 0 amount of optimism at all.
i have to hold out hope that minnesota only wanted beasley to deal him with jefferson but i can't believe david kahn is THAT stupid. but if he is please tell me that rod higgins is not braindead enough and exists enough to be on the phone with him right now offering tyrus thomas, tyson chandler and their pick of brown or henderson.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 9, 2010 11:54:20 AM
"Tyrus has to sign the NJ contract before we match it. We can offer him an equal contract that is structured properly and he will sign with us. He wants to play here, not for a rebuilding loser."
I believe the Bobcats just changed their name to the "Charlotte Rebuilding Losers". Nets have a way better roster than your bunch of losers.
Posted by: Mike | Jul 9, 2010 11:57:06 AM
if houston still wants chandlers contract for cap space, and minny want more deals higgins would also be wise to keep them all on the line. they both have parts we would want.
houston gets>> chandlers contract for space
minny gets >> SF shane battier C david anderson
charlotte gets>> C al jefferson
Posted by: brendan | Jul 9, 2010 12:14:02 PM
Uh did a Charlotte Bobcats fan just call the Nets a rebuilding loser? lol. The Cats would kill to have the young talent the Nets have. Harris is an all star when healthy, Lopez is already a top 5 Center at 21 yrs old. T-will, Favors, Damion James, Courtney Lee, tons of cap room and picks? You tell me which team is in better shape.
Posted by: Shane | Jul 9, 2010 12:56:13 PM
You almost never trade a player to a division rival. This might be part of the reason Beasley went to Minnessota, they are in a completely different Conference. Yes I know the Heat now have 3 stupids but any time you can trade outside your division and get the same pieces, why not. Less of a chance it comes back to bite you.
Posted by: Answer | Jul 9, 2010 1:09:29 PM
Bobcats so mismanaged.
all these picks since coming into the league and no stars...and we still trade away picks to get scrubs like ajinca. looks like we traded away a first rounder to rent thomas for a season, when he didn't even get to play much. shouldn't the F.O. have had the foresight to know all cheap trades that would available this summer e.i. beasley for a 2nd rounder?
i understand drafts picks don't work out, but our track record is horrendous. i don't see us getting better at all. being a small market team no big stars are going to want to come and play here, so we have no choice but to find some stars in the draft. plus i don't understand this whole thing that jordan can attract talent, b/c players will want to play for him is false...why would that be?
no1 wants diaw or any of our scrubby centers.
hopefully augstine, henderson, or someone else can become a star so we get more exposure and would have two legitimate stars in him and g.wallace.
maybe chris paul will want to come play here, when he becomes a f.a.
Posted by: bunkombe | Jul 9, 2010 2:41:33 PM
The Bobcats should try to Trade Chandler to Minnesota for Jefferson.
Then trade Boris, and Nazr plus Ajinca ($8.3 expiring contract) to Washington for Arenas and McGee. Keep Thomas, then sign Graham, Flip and some PF and offer the MLE to Brad Miller.
That will give the Bobcats 3-4 possible All-Star player in their starting five, two decent Centers that are above average defenders and a ton of scoring options.
Then, let's put a Billboard in the EpiCenter that reads: "Bring-It-On Miami!!!"
Posted by: RobC | Jul 9, 2010 2:45:30 PM
which contracts are expiring next year?
would it be better to save cap space for next year? are there any big names that may have a shot at next year?
i forgot how ended up w/ diop's contract? which did he come on? i hope it wasn't a trade to get HIM.
Posted by: bunkombe | Jul 9, 2010 3:05:16 PM
Traded Matt Carroll to Dallas for Diop. Check www.hoopshype.com for salaries. Chandler, Mohammed come off the books next year, this represents 19.6 million.
Posted by: Answer | Jul 9, 2010 3:13:06 PM
some of these trades yall are suggesting are the same shoot ourselves in the face trades that put us here to begin with. look at every other "small market" city that has EVER put together a contender. it was centered around drafting a certain player or making a draft day trade for a certain player and keeping these guys around. look at durant in okc. look at dirk in dallas. timmy in san antonio. kobe in la. even boston drafted paul pierce and turned jeff green and al jefferson into kg and ray allen.
you have to build through the draft and you have to develop your draft picks. this goes completely against larry brown's theories but its been proven true 95% of the time. larry brown is the other 5%. unfortunately, he'll be gone before we become contenders.
you can't watch d-league and summer league games and see ajinca and say "wow what the eff were they thinking using a late 1st rounder on that guy?" you can't. the guy is a freak of a ballplayer he just absolutely hasn't delivered on incredible potential. but that's what you have to do with draft picks. you swing and sometimes you miss but you don't swing and you'll never hit a homerun. i mean atleast he's better than the d-leaguers. that's more than diop can say AND he costs much less than diop. he still MIGHT turn out to be something. you can't watch his highlight reel and not think to yourself "if he just did this more regularly...."
we just need to be patient. use our expirings if and only if we land a stud. al jefferson is not that. arenas is not that. he's got bad knees, bad rep and a bad contract. they both do. sorry for the length.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 9, 2010 3:24:32 PM
Sounds like Michael Jordan is preparing for the worst on the Tyrus Thomas front, based a brief interview he gave my colleague, Scott Fowler today:
Maybe it's a bit encouraging that Jordan thinks Raymond Felton isn't necessarily gone. But I know others in the organization have considered Felton's departure likely.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Jul 9, 2010 3:31:51 PM
I think MJ is being wise. I believe the Cats have done more dealing than any team in the league over the past three years. Much of it probably came from pressure from fans like us. We accused them of being stingy and now they are in financial dodo. Panic reactions will simply get them into deeper dodo. Emeka is one example where we overpaid simply to keep him in Charlotte. Some of the draft choices were "logical" based on player history and performance along with our needs. Rash reactions will only get us into deeper trouble.
Posted by: Murrell | Jul 9, 2010 3:57:46 PM
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