July 12, 2010
No trade yet, but Thomas signs contract
The proposed trade involving the Charlotte Bobcats, Toronto Raptors and Phoenix Suns won't happen today. Not surprised, in that 3-way deals involving trade exceptions get pretty complicated -- satisfying all three teams and all the salary-cap rules. Tyson Chandler has already declared himself a Raptor, so I assume this thing will eventually go through.
Tyrus Thomas made it official Monday, signing his five-year, $40 million contract. Nice quote from Thomas, explaining why he so quickly developed chemistry with coach Larry Brown: "He lets me be me and he is him, and there are no smoke screens between us.''
That's Thomas' way of saying he has a quirky personality and Brown doesn't mess with him about it, but they still have a respectful coach-player relationship. Brown often compares Thomas to Rasheed Wallace that way.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 12, 2010 at 06:51 PM | Permalink
I have mixed feelings about the Diaw-Chandler-Calderon deal, but mostly they are positive. Calderon's contract is awful, but for two of the three years it evens out with Boris'. It's the third year on the deal that matters, and one year of a bad contract isn't awful. It moves around the pieces we have from positions we don't need as much from a starters' standpoint (PF/C) to a position we do need (PG).
Much has been made about Calderon's defense. He can't guard fast point guards, but the NBA rules make it so that no one can. Plus, if you look at the team last year, defense was not what we needed more of. We needed more offense. Calderon will give us that. He will distribute the ball well and score efficiently. He will also not turn the ball over much, which was a problem for the Bobcats last year.
I do think we can get more for Chandler's expiring contract, though, whether or not we get the trade exception in the deal. Look at what the Rockets did last year. They took McGrady's expiring contract and a good post player in Landry and got back a very good wing player in Kevin Martin, a rookie forward who was a lottery pick (Jordan Hill) and two first round picks from NY. They got back so much more value than they gave up just because they included an expiring contract in this deal. But if you look at what we're getting in return for Chandler's expiring contract, it's essentially nothing. Potentially a trade exception. I would prefer to do the trade straight up, Diaw for Calderon.
The one thing about giving up Chandler, though, is it creates cap room for the coming season, allowing the Bobcats to possibly make another move this offseason. Al Jefferson has been mentioned, which I think is a great idea. Buy low, sell high. The Wolves are low on Jefferson right now, making him, in my mind, a great player to pick up. Jefferson and Thomas would be a great frontcourt combo; Thomas is an athletic defender/shotblocker while Jefferson is a post scorer/rebounder. Having a true scoring threat in the post would open up so much for GW/Jack, not to mention 3-pointers for Calderon. If the cap space vacated by Chandler is used for something like a trade for Jefferson (or even just signing someone with the MLE), I would understand much more. Nevertheless, the Bobcats should get much more in return from Toronto-maybe a draft pick?
Regardless of a potential trade for someone like Jefferson, I like the trade overall. In my mind, Mohammed was the best center for the Bobcats last year (especially at scoring, which is what the Cats need) and with this trade he will get more playing time, which will improve the offense. Calderon will also improve the offense. The league-leading defense, however, will not change a whole lot with GW and Jackson returning and Thomas in the starting lineup. A big part of this is addition by subtraction. Diaw was expendable because he didn't play well with Jackson (they're both playmakers who need the ball in their hands to succeed-Diaw did well without Jackson, but poorly with Jackson). And playing Nazr over Chandler will help the offense.
My favorite part of the trade, though, is the way the team is now put together, offensively, defensively, and mentally. Offensively we have our facilitator (Calderon), our shot-creator (Jackson), another scorer who doesn't need the ball in his hands as much (Wallace), an athletic forward (Thomas), and a skilled scoring big man (Nazi). Defensively we have our shut-down wing defender (Jackson), our stats defender/help defender/rebounder (Wallace), and a shot blocker (Thomas). And, often overlooked when creating a team, is the mental aspect- how hard they try in games, how they lead a team, etc. No team will play harder than a starting five of Calderon, Jackson, Wallace, Thomas, and Mohammed.
So while I think we can get more for Chandler's expiring contract, and Calderon's contract is not good, I like the trade overall because it fits the needs of the team and puts together a good starting five while giving us room to make more moves.
Posted by: Wannabe GM | Jul 12, 2010 7:14:22 PM
Rick I was wondering if you hearing this Trade could become a 4 teams?
Posted by: jake smith | Jul 12, 2010 7:17:18 PM
Glad we are getting rid of Chandler. Most think we should get more for him and his expiring contract, but that may not happen until the trade deadline in February AND...when is the last time Chandler went 6 months without hurting himself? Get what you can now, before he tweaks his ankle, leg, big toe, whatever in training camp.
This way we can use some of the blackhole of cap space that is our Center position somewhere else.
As far as Calderon not being able to play defense..with Tyrus, GW, Jack, DBrown and hopefully Theo...I don't mind having a PG that lets his guy loose, we will have a franchise record in blocks this year. Calderon will be better at running the offense...and I'm sure he will bring a decent following of fans (I remember seeing a lot of non-Toronto flags waving when the Raptors came to town...glad to convert them to Bobcat fans).
Posted by: BlockParty | Jul 12, 2010 7:37:12 PM
i don't understand how trading 2 bigs for 1 pg solves anything. now we need another center. while boris and calderon might cancel each other out in play level, tyson chandler has way more to offer in a contract year than dwayne jones does.
you just can't convince me that this is the best deal available. its as if patience means NOTHING. the value of chandler and diaw only triples come all-star break and you can't tell me we can't compete ENOUGH to be in the mix until january february with what we already have. and if toronto was willing to take diaw for dwayne jones, i think we should have just taken that deal. swapping calderon for chandler defeats the purpose of sending diaw to begin with and i pray to the basketball gods that this is why the deal hasn't happened yet because we're smarter than that.
unfortunately....i know better.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2010 7:43:15 PM
Charlotte's L & M team will be fine -
Posted by: Whollar | Jul 12, 2010 7:45:26 PM
Although we aren't getting great return on Chandler's 13 million expiring contract, we picked up another 5 million expiring contract with Reggie Evans. I expect Evans will be a Bobcat for about 4 days.
Posted by: 4DayReggie | Jul 12, 2010 7:59:31 PM
Depending on how you describe it, it might already be a 4-team deal, in that Atlanta is dealing with Phoenix (Josh Childress)
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Jul 12, 2010 8:09:55 PM
Doesn't this leave us with a hole at center? If this trade happens, who would be our starting 5 tomorrow?
Man the Bobcats sure did pick a bad year to be cap-friendly with Washington and Miami adding players and Orlando being Orlando. Hopefully it'll pay off in the future.
Posted by: GoOrange | Jul 12, 2010 8:14:15 PM
Beside Getting Reggie Evans and Calderon will the Bobcats get more players.And also how much cup will this trade clear for the Bobcats if any
Posted by: jake smith | Jul 12, 2010 8:15:16 PM
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Posted by: jake smith | Jul 12, 2010 8:20:42 PM
This trade makes up probably the smallest front line in the league...good luck matching up against Howard...just chalk the magic games as automatic losses. Then chalk the heat games as auto L's. Honestly does this trade make us any better? I think it makes us worse. Still the 4th best team in the division.
Just tank the team and rebuild. Keep Chandler's contact and dump him on a team trying for the Melo sweepstakes.
Posted by: I used to sit near Buzz | Jul 12, 2010 8:23:09 PM
Wannabe, you can't compare deals for expiring contracts from last season. That was all because of the ridiculous Summer '010 free-agent frenzy, and next summer isn't particularly close.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 12, 2010 8:32:57 PM
Rick is there any chance that Allen Iverson might come to the Bobcats this year?
Posted by: Tyler | Jul 12, 2010 8:35:18 PM
Tyler -- please. Where would Iverson play and isn't he more trouble than he's worth? You sure don't want him as your point guard and don't even try to tell me he's a better shooting guard right now than Stephen Jackson. No way you want that guy coming off the bench. It would be a reality series.
Charlottean: I get it that you like being a contrarian, but portraying this as a "two bigs for one point guard'' is disingenuous. This is not a perfect deal, but we live in an imperfect world. They need a starter-quality point guard. They don't particularly need Diaw or Chandler. And if the net effect of this is to get them a few million further below the tax number, it makes sense.
Sure, this could blow up in their faces. But I do think the roster makes more sense after they make this deal than if they don't. And when you suggest they should show "patience,'' I ask you this: If they were five games below .500 on Nov. 30, wouldn't you be the first person to be going ballistic? Tell the truth.
Go Orange (and I love your moniker if that means you're a Syracuse fan): There is no "hole'' at center. They had too many under-performing centers. They need to live with Nazr and kick Gana's butt.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Jul 12, 2010 8:56:48 PM
Tyler= I sure hope not....
Posted by: Michae; | Jul 12, 2010 8:58:50 PM
It's hard to see (just above average, but just about dependable), Ray Felton go, but I think it was for the best.
I like Jose, but that pretty much says it all about, DJ! Which I kind of find a shame, because he had potential, but I don't see how we can give up both Boris' and Tysons expiring contracts for just, Jose?! I would say go for Al Jefferson and Raymond Sessions instead?
1. Boris could / would work out well as a 6th man, he did in a Suns uniform. He can pretty much play every position and would get good minutes.
2. The Raptors have been shopping every single bad contract they stupidly concocted and I can't see how we couldn't just trade Tyson for Jose? And or maybe find a way to off-load Diop, because Tysons contract is that valuable.
Expect to see Bargani on the block this time next year.
Go Bobcats, or whatever the team name is next year?
Posted by: NickyB | Jul 12, 2010 9:25:23 PM
I'm really starting to question the front office moves, but I'm going to keep faith t they are going to put together a good team.
With that being said, we have to take chances. Minny have been trying to unload Jefferson and Sessions. Sessions is 6'3" and makes a little over 3mil for two more seasons. Al has 13mil for the next three season which is not that bad considering the high reward. We have no big man that can get his points in the post one on one.
I'm sure Minny would take our expiring contract for those players. Rondo makes 9mil a year and jose is not half the talent. Bad use of using our assets to improve the team. If the cats just stick to the original trade of diaw(9mil) for evans(5mil) in a salary dump that would save 4mil this year. If they trade the expiring contract of Chandler(12mil) and Nazi (7mil)for Al(13mil) and Session(4mil) would still save us 2 more mil this year for a total of 6mil this year and evans contract comes off at 5mil next season resulting in 11mil in cap space.
Teams are dumping their trash on us just like the Diop trade. It is possible to acquire talent while shedding contracts. I really hope this trade don't go through. We drafted DJ at number 10, at least give him a whole season as a starter to prove his worth. If they go through with this trade, DJ is a goner, no trust in the organization. Calderon salary for the next three years means he will be starting for the next three years.
Posted by: B. Harris | Jul 12, 2010 9:31:34 PM
i think jordan got something up his sleeve, i like the pg trade to help spread the floor with his shooting, he is a liability on d, but wallace plays the best help d behind james and josh smith, so wallace will help him out..i am glad diaw is gone, i hate that guy..but chandler should stay, he has only one year left and that mean he would play hard for a contract for the future, keep chandler for other positives, don't look at his past..
Posted by: bobcat nation | Jul 12, 2010 10:29:13 PM
Deals are done yet. This is just the start. After this one is done - next one will be within a couple of weeks.
Posted by: AndyM | Jul 12, 2010 11:04:34 PM
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