July 14, 2010
Source: Bobcats to sign Livingston
Livingston, 6-7, is a former lottery pick by the Los Angeles Clippers, who suffered a career-threatening knee injury several years ago while playing against the Bobcats. He turned pro out of high school, after signing to play for Duke.
Livingston has since played for Miami, Oklahoma City and most recently the Washington Wizards. He played 28 games for the Wizards last season -- 18 of them starts -- averaging 9.2 points and 4.5 assists.
Livingston would compete with D.J. Augustin for the starting job vacated by Raymond Felton, signed with the New York Knicks. The Bobcats will likely bring undrafted rookie Sherron Collins to training camp as a third option at the position.
Signing Livingston would likely preclude the team from other options, such as trading for Minnesota's Ramon Sessions or Indiana's T.J. Ford, at least for now.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 14, 2010 at 01:36 PM | Permalink
OK, now this really worries me. Is that all we are planning to do? I'm not saying that was not a good pick, but what I was expecting as the starting PG.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2010 1:42:43 PM
most horrific knee injury (minus willis mcgahee) i've ever seen.
Posted by: john | Jul 14, 2010 1:43:26 PM
The Bcats should consider Sessions. He a local product, Myrtle Beach SC, with skills. He would would be far enough from home to avoid the personal pitfalls and close enough to draw in the Carolina low-country fanbase.
Posted by: moboythunder | Jul 14, 2010 1:48:34 PM
this is the right move. augustin is and should be our starting pg. ford or sessions aren't better and cost a lot more.
i'm feeling like randy quaid in major league right now.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 1:50:48 PM
Right now, they still are condisering Sessions. Livingston isnt a bad pick-up, especially if he's cheap. The key thing to rememember is that this team is far from being done making moves and the season is still 3 months away. These guys are only insurance, not the solution. Stay tuned.
Posted by: emuns03 | Jul 14, 2010 2:00:49 PM
This can't be the culmination of all our trading moves. CP is on the trading block in New Orleans and we aren't even going to try.
Posted by: Nick | Jul 14, 2010 2:01:49 PM
I don't think it's not that we're not trying to get Chris Paul here. The Mavs have tried to get Chris Paul here with Dampiers contract and the hornets wouldn't let him go. Now if we got Dampier's contract, we might be able to make a better offer for the Hornets and Chris Paul might want to play in Charlotte and for Jordan (hopefully). I don't think Livingston or Sessions would be our answer at the PG spot but just for insurance.
Posted by: Ro_Bobcats | Jul 14, 2010 2:07:58 PM
Great pick up! He should be fully recovered from his knee injury. May never be the player he could've been, but he's still a 6'7" PG with a lot of skill and potential. LB is gonna love all this length on the wings playing D!
Posted by: Smitty | Jul 14, 2010 2:11:25 PM
Be patient all you fast shooting b-ball experts...N.O. just picked up another point guard, Bower got fired, CP3 pissed off. B-Cats just trying to put the right package in place for the big deal that will land us the big-4: CP3, G-Dub, Capt. Jack and Tiny-Tyrus. We may have to say bye-bye to DJ but I would pull the trigger. Holla!
Posted by: B-Knowledge | Jul 14, 2010 2:12:20 PM
Not the move I wanted to see happen at the PG position!!!! Very lame duck move!!!!
Posted by: big daddy | Jul 14, 2010 2:14:02 PM
we aren't getting chris paul. stop. the knicks will.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 2:14:02 PM
we should bring in tyrease rice out of boston college. This kid can flat out play and is just as quick as felton.
Posted by: charlie | Jul 14, 2010 2:15:15 PM
Athletic 6'7" PG. As long as we aren't overpaying for him, I like the pickup.
Posted by: Miller | Jul 14, 2010 2:21:49 PM
If ur a real fan and don't believe this is a good move u don't know basketball and how people skills will fit together. He long and will b better on defense and will difficult to guard by other guards because of size, he's a great passer and now we r about to make another deal to get a shooter that will make our team very competitive
Posted by: Goldwater | Jul 14, 2010 2:25:15 PM
He finished the season strong on a bad Washington team. If he really is back, he could potentially wind up being "Comeback Player of the Year", the minutes will be there, and the system is set up where he will be able to thrive as a penetrate or post point much like Chauncey Billups was in Denver. This is the big point guard that LB covets and so he's going to get every opportunity to succeed here.
Posted by: Joe | Jul 14, 2010 2:25:15 PM
I watched this kid play in D.C. - the sentiment here in washington is universal - this guy could be a top tier point guard. If he stays healthy, and that is a BIG if, he'll be an unbelievable pick up for your team. This guy gets the offense going and paces the team as well as any other point guard his age. Without his prior injury he'd be a lock to be a top 10 point guard in this league. Good luck with Livingston.
Posted by: Jay | Jul 14, 2010 2:28:34 PM
I would have hoped at least for someone we had heard of!
Posted by: steve | Jul 14, 2010 2:30:23 PM
I just want to protest the fact that people too often post really dumb things like "we need to trade DJ or Diaw for CP3." Come on people! If you owned a team and had the best PG in the NBA on it, would you trade him for anything less than an All Star or several starters? CP3 is a franchise player--meaning that you will be trading away the franchise by giving him up (so you'd better get a new one in return). It would take a lot to get Chris Paul onto any team. Just trust that if the Hornets give up a guy like Chris Paul, they are going to want a guy like Wallace (plus maybe DJ or Diaw) or Jackson (and a few others) in return.
Posted by: QC King | Jul 14, 2010 2:30:42 PM
So who do we have as of now:
IMO, the Bobcatsstill need a quality PG & Center; Ohh and there's only 1 open spot in the current roster.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2010 2:31:44 PM
i want my team back...
Posted by: bob johnson | Jul 14, 2010 2:33:24 PM
Wizard fan here, you're gonna love this guy. Great midrange jumper, good passer, completely healthy, great defender, and we are letting him go because Grunfeld is insane. ENJOY!!
Posted by: Burg | Jul 14, 2010 2:35:26 PM
man, there are so many other teams out there that have better assets to offer for chris paul. LIKE THE RAPTORS!
lets see: Jose ($10 mill, one of the 1st round picks we got in the Bosh trade. and the entire $14.5 million trade exception ($24.5)for CP3 and Peja's contract. the numbers match up perfectly. Calderon is expensive but it still half the price of what CP3 will be and the 3 years they have him are perfect for getting darron collison ready
Posted by: Matt | Jul 14, 2010 2:35:26 PM
what shooters are still out there with good value that can come off the bench and make a difference, the thats the next move, who is this guy? any suggestions
Posted by: goldwater | Jul 14, 2010 2:36:04 PM
Posted by: mike311 | Jul 14, 2010 2:36:42 PM
I like the pickup huge potential and let's all remember Captain Jack averaged 20.7 pts and 6.5 assist 2 years ago for GSW. So we are not in a terrible situation at PG. He can do it all on the offense.
ALL THOSE FOLKS CRYING ABOUT CHRIS PAUL...HE WOULD NEVER CONSIDER CHARLOTTE AS AN OPTION.. HE HAS LEARNED HIS LESSON ABOUT SMALL MARKETS. SO LETS GIVE UP ON THAT THOUGHT!!!!
Posted by: BURNTICE | Jul 14, 2010 2:37:29 PM
Posted by: new | Jul 14, 2010 2:39:10 PM
That was a joke by the way. i figure if you guys can make up crazy trades for CP3 i could too. they can give us okafor as well
Posted by: Matt | Jul 14, 2010 2:40:46 PM
Hello morons, anyone thinking CP3 is going to the Knicks must have missed this weeks signing of Felton at almost $8,000,000 per year. As I said, he was set to get paid HUGE cash, and he did. He is the point for the Knicks, CP3 never will be.
Posted by: DO_NOT_LET_FELTON_GO!!! | Jul 14, 2010 2:46:38 PM
Thanks Matt for that wonderful contribution to the conversation. Again, 2 or 3 people here are delusional in thinking we can get CP3 with the scrubs they offer up. If you want to continue talking about these 2 or 3 people and how they think we can get CP3, ask them for their phone #s and you can talk it about all night long if you'd like. Thanks.
As for Livingston, good pick up as long as we don't pay him too much. Big, athletic guy who LB can hopefully mold into a starting PG. Very interested to see what the next move is.
Posted by: tom P | Jul 14, 2010 2:46:39 PM
for those of the uninformed (robc, etc.) we can't afford to keep dampier. we're over the tax because of the trade yesterday so we have to let him go. and THAT RIGHT THERE is the reason we can't hold out hope for some great deal involving dampier because we have NO LEVERAGE. we have to let him go. so we're not going to get much worth out of a trade involving him. we were better off with chandler's expiring.
and livingston won't beat augustin out for the starting position but he is the perfect compliment off the bench and playing along side augustin. he should be in the rotation that's for sure. so now the big problem is that we are either starting diaw at center or we have to trade him for a center and there really aren't any viable options available for teams that would actually take diaw in exchange for a reasonable center.
i'm not even kidding when i say this but kwame brown is our best bet right now for center.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 2:50:03 PM
@ tom P you're welcome
Posted by: Matt | Jul 14, 2010 2:50:43 PM
HEY MORON FELTON WAS SIGNED FOR 2 YEARS VIRTUALLY TRADE BAIT. MARK IT DOWN FELTON WILL BE GONE BY NEXT SUMMER CP3 WILL BE IN.
Posted by: BURNTICE | Jul 14, 2010 2:52:46 PM
"i'm not even kidding when i say this but kwame brown is our best bet right now for center. "
If that comment doesn't sum up the overall mood of Bobcats fans right now, I don't know what does.
Posted by: tom P | Jul 14, 2010 2:53:14 PM
@charlottean ur right. If Diaw is ur Centre that means Wallace has to play some at PF which means he risks getting a concussion
Posted by: Matt | Jul 14, 2010 2:54:49 PM
Dude you have lost your mind Kwame Brown??? I would rather see Bill Cartwright start as our center. Kwame is lazy and will never work hard under Larry Brown which in turn Larry Brown will bench him.
Posted by: BURNTICE | Jul 14, 2010 2:54:51 PM
I don't get all this Chris Paul talk...There HAS NEVER BEEN any talk of him coming here other then you all on this website...He stated that he is "starting his own 3"..That 3 does not mean Wallace and Jackson..This is silly..CP3 is not coming her jzzz...It's like a bunch of girls starting rumors..Bobcats are doing a good job changing the roster little by little IMO..Livingston is a solid player when healthy..You will appreciate how great it is to have a 6'7 athletic PG..he is above avg...Knock on him is injuries, but he played last year and finished very well..We need a scoring C and I think we are good..We can def make playoffs in the 4-6 slot range..Those expecting Bobcats to make big splash and sign some superstars are being unrealistic..Our Division alone has enough superstars to fill the league
Posted by: BigWyche16 | Jul 14, 2010 2:55:10 PM
correction....i didn't know bill cartwright was available. bill cartwright is our best bet at center.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 2:56:06 PM
I never make comments about others postings, however, I can tell you are a complete ignorant. Lets see:
Feltons Contract with New York:
1.) $8M per year, when adding the NY Tax effect and the Cost of Living in NY, that is the same as a $5.5M deal per Year, for just 2 Years. The bobcats offered him a 5 Year deal worth $6.5M per Year, which guarantees him 3 additional years and $20M.
2.) Is a 2 Years deal (2010-11 & 2011-12), Chris Paul can become and Free Agent at the end of the 2012 season, exactly at the same time that felton's contract expires.
3.) Conclusion, Chris Pual is the only reason why the Knicks just offered 2 years to Felton, plus it makes Felton easier to trade after December 30th, if they need too.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2010 3:00:17 PM
miami, boston, orlando, atlanta, chicago, and milwaukee called and wanted to know if you were serious.
the move would be great if carroll, najera and ajinca weren't involved in the deal. it would be acceptable if 1 or the other was left off. the way it stands.....retarded. there is no other way to describe how bad that trade was. we gave up a great trade piece and future cap space for.......untradeable unuseable dead weight. and gave up a prospect. a d-league all-star last year. you can't justify this movement.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 3:01:12 PM
I forgot to say that Felton rejected the Bobcats offer last season, in case you forgot.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2010 3:01:57 PM
I think Cats are just as good an Hawks...I also agree that Milwaukee has gotten much much better with all of there signings, but still don't know how much better then Cats they are..They signed a lot of DECENT players
Posted by: BigWyche16 | Jul 14, 2010 3:03:58 PM
"Shaun Livingston has agreed to a two-year, $7 million contract with the Bobcats, Adrian Wojnarowski reports . There's also reportedly a non-guaranteed third year on the deal as well."
Can't believer he is only 24.
Posted by: guest | Jul 14, 2010 3:05:59 PM
I just got contacted and told... that players are being called with a new destination.
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by Bcat2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
Without knowing the final goal, If we got Harris and Lopez and other goodies for Dampier and leftovers, I would be ecstatic.
by PoAshton on Jul 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
just wanted to be the the first to let you know that devin harris and robin lopez are coming to charlotte as part of a 3 way with new jersey....stay tuned
Posted by: brendan | Jul 14, 2010 3:09:14 PM
Livingston is a great pickup! He's got size to help out with bigger guards. I like this alot. And please kill the CP3 talk. We have nobody NO would think about trading for him except maybe Wallace and a first rounder.
Posted by: stevenj | Jul 14, 2010 3:09:21 PM
D-league All-Star? Sounds like the smartest kid in Special Ed. Have you followed ajinca at all? Even this summer. He has no natural feel for basketball at all, let alone his own position. It was poor pic from day one. Im thrilled he's gone. Plus, getting rid of Dampier will either land a player or free up money, something that could not have been done with Chandler since his money was guarenteed. Thats why the Bobcats took that trade.
Posted by: emuns03 | Jul 14, 2010 3:14:12 PM
okay well first of all Brooke Lopez plays for NJ, his bro Robin plays for the Suns.....and why the hell would New Jersey give away their 2 best players for Dampier and leftovers?? Thats even more insane than this talk of Damp/Diaw for CP3.
Posted by: tom P | Jul 14, 2010 3:15:13 PM
And I just noticed you said 3 way...so I guess you meant Robin. But still...
Posted by: tom P | Jul 14, 2010 3:15:51 PM
the hawks and bucks finished better (9 and 2 games respectively) than us last year, got better this offseason, AND have contracts coming off the books after this year. (crawford and evans this year, bibby next and already have teague in place for hawks; michael redd's 18+ million for milwaukee)
not to mention NY got better, Cleveland is still in a better position right now than we are, toronto is still in the mix, washington added john wall, etc. AND WE DON'T HAVE A CENTER or a young prospect at center.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 3:18:19 PM
The "lets get somebody I've heard of comments are funny"..try watching basketball stupid!! Everyone who is regular viewer of the NBA knows who Livingston is. He was a promising young player who was cut down due to a knee injury. Because of his age, the chances of him recovering were really good. I think he is a solid pickup and could possibly win the starting job if DJ is not cutting it.
Posted by: Roy | Jul 14, 2010 3:19:36 PM
d-league all-star considering how many former d-leaguers are starters in this league DOES mean something. and yes i watched every summer league game in its entirety. the guy struggled with fouls (no more so than dwight howard or tyson chandler do) he didn't rebound well, he blocked few shots but the guy stroked the jumper from range and he delivered a way more polished post moves offensively than he has in the past.
HE'S 22. He's 7 feet tall. he has good hands. he's better than gana diop. he costs 1.5 million. call portland and ask them about jermaine o'neal.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 3:21:56 PM
Im not saying at all that we will get CP3. Not remotely. But people's assesment of the Hornets is off.
Shinn is looking to sell the team. No one will buy it at that value in that city. He would need to dump salary and get rid high contract/profile players in order to find a suitor to buy. There is no reason why he would trade his all-star player for another set of all-stars. He would trade to dump salary. That is why CP3 is upset with the situation and does not believe the team is committed to winning and he's right. Its business for Shinn. Charlotteans should know this better than anyone else.
And even if it wasnt, how many times have we seen Shinn give away elite players(Mourning, LJ, Rice, need i continue...)
Posted by: emuns03 | Jul 14, 2010 3:22:21 PM
I am from DC also. This is a great pickup. He played extremely well as a starter for the Wizards at the end of last year and is definitely a NBA starter. I am not a Felton hater but this guy is better. Definitely a better point guard and better shooter. He has PG skills that can't be taught. I hope that he stays healthy. Anyone who bashes this pickup has not done their research.
Posted by: Benjamin | Jul 14, 2010 3:29:28 PM
Can you say The Bobcats Blow!!!!!
Posted by: jd | Jul 14, 2010 3:36:00 PM
Thank you Benjamin, I'm assuming you are not from around here, but these yokels, do a lot of talking and never even watch the Bobcats. They watch a few highlights on Sportscenter and think they know it all.
Posted by: Roy | Jul 14, 2010 3:36:18 PM
Benjamin for President.
Posted by: Mr. McGibblets | Jul 14, 2010 3:38:51 PM
2 yrs at 3.5 isn't too bad, but all of this is banking on him coming back from that injury, which I don't think he will be able to do. But 6'7'' PG is right up LB's wheelhouse.
Still puts us nowhere near the playoffs.
Posted by: I used to sit near Buzz | Jul 14, 2010 3:45:17 PM
Much agreed. Thanks ben
Posted by: emuns03 | Jul 14, 2010 3:45:24 PM
Good pickup..wont cost much and this is a big pg that we need. No to mention he is fighting to stay in the league so a player with a 'chip' is always a good thing...what does it hurt?
Posted by: Bobcat Terry | Jul 14, 2010 3:51:29 PM
I can't believe all the hate for this signing. You guys are gonna love having this guy on our team. Way better than DJ and now that he's healthy, could end up being better than Felton. And for only $7 mil over 2 years? That's a great pick up. There are too many former Hornets fanboys in here hating b/c they have nothing better to do. Go root for your Tar Holes, punks.
Posted by: Smitty | Jul 14, 2010 3:54:07 PM
for those who are saying "who is s.l.", please refrain from posting further as you obviously dont keep up with bball enough to warrant a comment. this could end up being jordan's best free agent pickup. he already has the skills and assests to excel and will only get better with larry's direction. injury was his enemy but he is healthy now and has many years left. hopefully he'll stay here and re-up to show his appreciation when its time to sign again...he'll be a star by then
and thank you RobC for letting the FELTON guy know what a ignorant donkey he is.
Posted by: manutd99 | Jul 14, 2010 3:54:44 PM
PG - Livingston / Augustin
SG - Jackson / Henderson / Carroll
SF - Wallace / Brown / Graham
PF - Thomas / Diaw / Najera
C - Mohammed / Diop / Dampier
Livingston should be a good fit in this system, if this deal actually happens. At 6-7, he still would be the shortest starter on the team (if he starts over DJ), but would give Larry Brown added length on the perimeter defensively.
A couple other things worth considering: The team (at least as far as I have heard) still has Dampier on the roster, meaning they still have a good trading chip to use in acquiring more talent at the 1 or the 5. Also, keep in mind that Larry Brown prefers to have three point guards on his teams, with at least one being the bigger guard. Livingston would provide that bigger point guard, even if neither he or DJ is ultimately the starter for this team. There could easily still be moves made prior to training camp opening, with Diaw and Dampier appearing the most likely to be traded if the right bargain pieces are there to take in return.
Posted by: The A-Train | Jul 14, 2010 4:03:19 PM
You got him now, Enjoy he sweet pull-up jumper!
Posted by: Burg | Jul 14, 2010 4:05:59 PM
Is the sky falling? This is a good pickup, and people are going nuts! Wow.
Posted by: Jaz | Jul 14, 2010 4:06:22 PM
Livingston is not hurt!! he has gotten past that knee injury!!
Posted by: Roy | Jul 14, 2010 4:07:21 PM
Funny, he probably would have been our 1st ever draft pick if we hadn't swung the deal with LAC to move up to #2 and draft Okafor in '04. Wonder what the team would be like if we had just stood pat at #4.
Posted by: tom P | Jul 14, 2010 4:12:26 PM
can people stop saying shinn let all those guys go. we traded mourning for rice. we traded rice for eddie jones. we traded johnson for anthony mason. we didn't let guys go we got good value for them.
and george shinn has money problems and the franchise sale is in limbo because of the oil situation in the gulf.....they aren't going to give chris paul away to lower the franchise value that much more. paul doesn't have a bad contract and they've got songalia and stojakovic coming off the books after this year. they're going to want young talent, draft picks, AND a legitimate starter like a gerald wallace AND a situation where they shave some money off this years books because they are currently over the tax and need to add players.
if the bobcats land chris paul its because whoever shinn hires to replace bower is dumber than higgins. or because we give them the world. either way its not likely.
and if we did pull the deal off......we're way over the luxury tax without a center (not named mohammed). grow some intelligence.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 4:13:30 PM
I am in DC and saw Livingston play for the last quarter of the season for the Wizards and he started most games. He looked VERY good. He actually scored in double figures later in the season along with good assist numbers. You guys are getting a good player with stuff to prove.
Posted by: hal | Jul 14, 2010 4:14:28 PM
livingston is fine.....people just need to understand that if we trade dampier to a team we have to take salaries back near the same and we're over the tax if we do.
as I'm counting it right now with the livingston deal, we've got 13 guys under contract (the minimum allowed) and we total around 64-65 million with the tax being 68. so if we trade dampier instead of waive him, and we take back around 11 or 12 million in contracts, we're effed. and nobody is going to use a trade exception to pick up dampier and waive him. that defeats the whole purpose unless they are using a small exception just to make the numbers work but that wouldn't help us.
we basically just traded tyson chandler, future cap room and alexis ajinca for matt carroll, najera and shaun livingston and cleared about a million off of where we were with this years cap and added 8.8 to next years. let that marinate.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 4:25:00 PM
I heard on wfnz we got Ramone Sessions today. Is that true or just the bimbos on the fan f....ing up as usual?
Posted by: MajorLeague | Jul 14, 2010 4:28:58 PM
I can live with Livingston at $3.5m for 2 years. At the end of the day, he's still just insurance. There is another deal in the works for a blue chip PG.
emuns03 THANK YOU! Everyone wants to shoot down the CP3 senerio but obviously they haven't been following the situation. They need to dump Okafor's salary to sell the team. Plus, if Paul gets pissed enough (which is happening) he will demand a trade because he's stuck on a horrible team with no direction while in his prime. Also, Matt, he can refuse to take the physical if he gets traded to your beloved Toronto or some other woeful team which most assuredly he'd do. He'd relish playing for LB and MJ and would shine. Its not out of the realm of possibility! Come on home CP3!
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 14, 2010 4:38:16 PM
Well we had to get a PG with size. He's got size. Ok, so thats a start. They better not be done though.
Posted by: Brian | Jul 14, 2010 4:41:07 PM
you guys are incredible. who is going to buy the team without chris paul? how many people are dying to pay top dollar for the cavaliers right now?
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 4:50:37 PM
Excellent pickup by the Bobcats. Thanks, Mike. You won't be disappointed with Shaun. He's the type of point guard that LB likes, very attentive to run the show, keeping everyone involved to run Larry's offense. Showed flashes of what he could do when he came on board during the last quarter of the Wizards season, scoring and dishing, nicely. His man-to-man "D" was lacking, I thought, but with additional conditioning, plus confidence knowing that he can still compete, after recovering from a potentially career-ending knee injury, he showed what he could do when given time. We should see better for the coming year. Great signing. I believe he will start for the 'Cats.
Further, I'm hoping the Bobcats, Mike, LB and company, can somehow package Dampier (a waste), sending him to Sacramento to get a hold of this kid, Hassan Whiteside. No way should this kid have fallen to the 2nd round of the recent draft. He's a human eraser, something the NBA lacks in the post, since the days of Hakeem and D. Robinson and would be great in the post. A little thin, but his potential can be great once he fills out. He's worked with Hakeem, who praises him for his ability. He shoots well, but one couldn't tell by this summer league for he never gets the ball. Sacramento has loads of bigs, including Hassan, Cousins, Dalembert and Thomspson. Hassan can be superb, once he's in the right situation. Sacramento is not right now, for their front line is too crowded. Hope Mike and Co. can see what Hassan has and make a deal somehow. This kid is talented.
Posted by: Ron | Jul 14, 2010 5:11:52 PM
charlottean - Things are blowing up in N.O. right now and Paul wants out. There is no guarantee that Shinn will even sell at this point. If Paul forces the Hornets' hand they'll move him. They'll attach Okafor's horrible contract to Paul's to make it worth their while and the company more solvent. Yes, Paul is the Hornets' greatest asset currently but he brings with him the ability to knock off close to $60mil off their bottom line which from a business perspective is very appealing - especially during a sale. He'll definitely be gone in 2 years so why not get something now before it gets real sour. Of course, not everyone will be willing to swallow such a contract as Okafor's in a trade, especially this late into free agency, but I think the 'Cats find a way. I agree with you that it'll probably take Wallace to acquire him but I'd still do it in a heartbeat if it meant getting one of the best young players in the league...and I am the biggest GForce fan you'll find! My hope, albeit delusional I'll admit, is to keep Wallace, Jackson, Thomas and somehow add Paul. For instant contender, just add Paul! You got to admit, as a Bobcats' fan, that would be sick!
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 14, 2010 5:21:18 PM
You guys must really think N.O would take 2 or three of your shitty players and give you CP3? Seriously?
Wow...Charlotte fans these days..
Can't wait to watch the RAPS have some bobcat meat for dinner.
Posted by: Dilly from TOR | Jul 14, 2010 5:29:23 PM
i think they need to stick to a plan. if they are going to try to save money this is the rite way to go all the other guards mentioned are no better and if the gave up a good center they need to stick to the loe road
Posted by: peter | Jul 14, 2010 5:34:16 PM
Dillyhole - grab a sixer of Molson, some Canadian bacon and stick to the hockey, eh! Your team sucks so bad they should be in NBDL. With no more Bosh and Jose's feelings hurt, you may break the Nets' record from last year - for futility!
I'll be the first to admit it's a long shot but the fact is that Chris Paul is available and we have as good a shot as any team in league - well except for Toronto of course. NO ONE wants to play there and the one's that do (Turk) instantly suck. Go figure?
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 14, 2010 5:50:48 PM
Ok Grady Hog. Sure.
Superstars to play for toronto? Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Hakeem Olajuwon.
Superstars to play for Bobcats? Ummmm.....*cough*
Raps are in a rebuilding stage and still are better then the bobcats. CP3 is not going.
Him and Melo become free agents at the same time. They will sign with NYK and join Amare.
And even if he is on the chopping block, other teams have WAYYYY more to offer N.O than the bobcats. LOL I really don't want to break your hearts charlotte fans, but it's life, and life sucks sometimes. We just lost Chris Bosh, how do you think we feel?
Get a GOOD GM and tell MJ to back off. He is setting you guys up for disaster.
Posted by: Dilly from TOR | Jul 14, 2010 5:59:02 PM
Dilly willy don't be a silly hillbilly. Every one of those "superstars" you mentioned couldn't wait to leave Ontario eh. Hakeem? Really? Who knew? Anywho, I can't wait until you hosers come to Charlotte next year and we see whose the better team. Oh, and read below. Again, it may or may not happen but at least we got a chance baby! Come on MJ, work some magic!
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 14, 2010 7:09:18 PM
This is a great pickup for us! We dump Tyson for Eric awesome contract. We pulled on the Jose move and we sign Livingston. I watched Wizards games last year on league pass b/c I had had Blatche and Javel on my fantasy team and Shaun played extremely well at the end of the season. The Wizards did suck, so his numbers may not translate to the bobcats. Great pickup after making a cap saving trade yesterday. I knew MJ had something under his sleeve after backing out of the Jose trade
Posted by: Bobcatsfan | Jul 14, 2010 7:48:35 PM
grady, not only would N.O. NOT trade us chris paul for anybody that we have short of a jackson/wallace/mohammed/dampier/every future 1st for the next 10 years for stojakovic/posey/okafor/paul/songalia (which i'm sure doesn't even works, just an example of how bad a deal it would have to be)
even if they accepted that......we can't afford to because thanks to the idiotic move of taking on matt carroll and najera's contracts, we're already right below the luxury tax line WITHOUT dampier's contract counting so if we took on chris paul's contract, we'd be paying a LARGE amount of tax and I guaruntee they wouldn't do it.
learn the game and how it works before you talk. its better for the world.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2010 10:15:20 PM
Thank you Charlottean, for shedding some knowledge on dreamers like gradyhog.
@Gradyhog, your article makes no sense and is written by a bobcats dreaming superfan like yourself. The person is saying CP3 for wallace and Diaw. *Giggle*
You guys are expecting MJ to do some super trade but you have no bait. You guys didnt want to get calderon cause he cost 10M a year, instead you have Naveja and Carroll for 3 years at 11M$. Counter-productive?
And Dampier will get you nothing. Trust me.
Posted by: Dilly from TOR | Jul 14, 2010 11:47:53 PM
charlottean - I'm sorry your mother never loved you and you ran over your cat but lighten up will ya. I know enough to know that you are one of those pessimistic, miserable chumps who complains when the suns shines down your back. Go sulk in your mother's basement where you live little boy and don't come out until you're ready to be a nondouchbaghole.
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 14, 2010 11:58:09 PM
charlottean, we're OVER the luxury tax line.
The luxury tax threshold for this year is around 70.3 million and before signing Livingston the 'Cats were at around 73 million in salary.
Thomas (QO-not actual contract #, haven't seen it yet) 6256806
D Brown 762195
Total Salary before adding Livingston's contract...$73,156,891
Posted by: twincities | Jul 15, 2010 12:04:12 AM
Dilly - thanks for the compliment.
"Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake."
Wait and see.
Posted by: gradyhog | Jul 15, 2010 12:21:02 AM
twincities that's not exactly correct. look at hoops hypes numbers but you have to recalculate because they don't have livingston and they don't have thomas in there either. after signing shaun livingston we're at about 65.3 million (i think) without dampier, 78ish with. thomas got 8 million a year but they said it was frontloaded so if it was more than we're even more effed for this year.
and i'm NOT being pessimistic. i'm being realistic. I was talking about how good I felt about the team prior to these moves. I think we could have competed with the team we had prior to the trade. and we had young talent and a lot of cap room next year or atleast valuable trade assets for the deadline timeframe.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2010 12:26:02 AM
Chris Paul will never come to Charlotte....KEEP DREAMING....get over it....Bobcats, Hornets, Panthers has never attracted a big name FA,,,,except Jordan owning us.
Posted by: JC | Jul 15, 2010 2:38:51 AM
The problem with hoophypes numbers is that they don't have Diops contract number in it or a number for Derrick Brown.
That's where the difference between your number and my number comes from.
Posted by: twincities | Jul 15, 2010 12:19:13 PM
Also, it doesn't include Dominic McGuire's minimum deal that he signed earlier this month.
Posted by: twincities | Jul 15, 2010 12:27:11 PM
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