September 27, 2010
Misgivings about dealing Diaw
There's a sense of misgiving around the Charlotte Bobcats when it comes to giving up Boris Diaw.
I'm not saying he won't be traded. I'm saying the Bobcats would only trade Diaw for something really good and even then, they're worried they'd end up regretting the deal.
Obviously, the current Bobcats administration isn't gun-shy about making trades. It's become their thing, really. And just as obviously, the Bobcats' long-term commitment to Tyrus Thomas makes him their power forward-of-the-future.
But Diaw isn't just a power forward. He can play any position for at least a few minutes. And he's a ballhandler on a team that enters the preseason shaky at point guard. Diaw is a great safety net for D.J. Augustin or whoever else earns that job.
So they won't give him away easily, and maybe not at all.
Posted by Observer Sports on September 27, 2010 at 11:31 PM | Permalink
Is your daughter dating Boris? Haha, kidding. I would trade him without hesitation for someone like Devin Harris straight up but I thats a steal. We will probably have to give up DJ and if that the case we need something else in return. Dare I say...a draft pick. Gulp.
Posted by: Brian | Sep 28, 2010 1:34:07 AM
Agreed about Diaw's abilities -- he's one of the most skilled players in the League. Only issue is that he is a luxury and the Bobcats still lack fundamentally at the PG and C positions.
A trade for Harris seems about right.
Posted by: ASChin | Sep 28, 2010 5:53:18 AM
This is insane. We don't need a point-forward. We need rebounds and efficient shooting. Boris hurts us in both categories. Deal him.
Posted by: Bill | Sep 28, 2010 7:33:50 AM
Gee, let's all be remined again just how "good" Boris Diaw is. He can pass (yes he can, and he also creates turnovers at an unacceptable rate). He can shoot (yes he can, .... if he's willing, since we see him NOT shoot wide open jumpers too often). He can play multiple positions (yes he can...except despite the fact he gets mauled at the 5, we still cling to the myth that he can play meaningful minutes there). So that's what Boris "can" do. What does he not do well? Play like a power forward (strong rebounding, defend and score in the post, establish the low block), play with any consistency (disappears during many games, and plays nonchalantly in the majority of games), play at peak NBA condition (Diaw routinely shows up to camp out of shape), and play like a $9M player should (Diaw is WAY overpaid for the production he gives, and his contract is a drag versus the production we receive). So Rick, these are just some of the MANY reasons we should trade Diaw for a decent player. It's a shame the Harris thing broke down...that was a steal. More than likely we won't get enough value in a deal, because most teams understand Diaw for what he is...an OVERPAID lazy guy with skills, who will NEVER live up to his potential. It's the french way, yes? C'est La Vie....
Posted by: Bassman | Sep 28, 2010 8:04:57 AM
it's not that we need a point forward, but we need a leader on the 2nd unit and he's PERFECT for that. most teams can't afford to rest certain combinations because then the ball doesn't move on offense. that's why rick is (correctly) enamored by boris' skill set because he can sub for whoever needs subbing. if jackson went down with a major injury (and he is in his 30's remember) and we had dealt boris for harris.....then harris has to play 48 minutes a game for the ball to move.
beyond that, diaw's contract has 2 years left. you can pick up a better asset than harris at the trade deadline and either shave the last year of the contract off for an expiring, or add a true asset with a longterm deal from a team trying to dump future payroll.
and i'm sorry to those that never watched the bobcats prior to the playoffs last year but augustin is legit. harris is not chris paul. he's not deron williams. he's not rondo, jennings, rose, nelson, westbrook, evans, wall, billups, kidd, parker, nash, davis, etc. you get the point.
he's in that next group. he's better than felton but if felton wasn't worth 7 for 2 years, than harris definitely isn't worth 9 for 3. and augustin has the potential to be just as good as harris. so why not see if he is or isn't before giving up on him too early?
so harris made an all-star team. chris gatling made an all-star team. the nets won 12 games last year.
we need a center.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 28, 2010 10:08:31 AM
Diaw makes other players better. Teams don't know how to guard him and he throws them off their game - which opens up other players to score.
Posted by: Musson | Sep 28, 2010 10:25:02 AM
Good post, Charlottean, but I disagree with your evaluation of the PG position.
DJ Augustin is not a starting NBA point guard. The team is going to suffer whenever he's on the court.
Second, Felton played much better than Devin Harris last season. The Bobcats front office is going to regret its decision not to re-sign Felton more than any since drafting Adam Morrison. Just a colossal error in player evaluation and roster management.
You're spot-on that we need a center, but unless Livingston surprises us all, we're much, much weaker at point guard. We might have the worst PG corp in the NBA.
Posted by: Bill | Sep 28, 2010 10:27:58 AM
Felton was a better PG than Harris because of the situation, not out of talent. Felton had all the pieces in place to be a better PG, Harris, has basically nobody other than maybe Lopez.
Also, failling to resign Felton was not because of the Bobcats front office, it was Felton's fault. He decline a 5 Years deal worth $35M which is more than enough for what he brings to the table. Then he was forced to accept the Knicks offer of 2Yrs/$15M, which is far less (Net Effect) of what the Bobcats offered him. It was so obvious the he made a mistake, that Felton actually fired his agent. This summer, the Bobcats didn't have the Cap to offer Felton anything, and Tyrus Thomas (definetly) was the priority. The Bobcats made some extra cap, after the deal for Dampier, but by that time Felton had already sign with NY.
It was Felton's fault, not the Bobcats front office, for him not to be resign.
Posted by: RobC | Sep 28, 2010 10:46:32 AM
Can you comment a little bit more on Boris Diaw. I may be wrong, but judging by the pictures on media day, it looks like Boris actually loose some weight and it seems like he is in good shape.
Again, this is just based on pictures, can you provide your assesment on this?
Posted by: RobC | Sep 28, 2010 10:49:19 AM
RobC, fair point and well said. It's the classic "you can lead a horse to water but can't force him to drink" situation.
But even so, that's a deal that the front office simply HAS to get done. If Felton's camp was being unreasonable, the Bobcats organization needed to convey that to Felton.
You're absolutely right that Felton shares the blame, but (absent a trade) the loss of Felton is going to devastate this franchise, and the Bobcats front office just couldn't let that happen.
Posted by: Bill | Sep 28, 2010 11:15:53 AM
i personally don't think felton is necessarily better than harris. i think they are more or less on the same level advantage harris but harris gets paid more and doesn't or hasn't to this point won more.
i don't know how anybody can say DJ isn't a starting pg in the nba when he's played very well WHEN HE STARTED or played starters minutes. he hasn't even had the chance yet. that's like saying tim tebow can't start in the nfl. we won't know until he's given a shot.
25 and 11 against philly
26 and 7 against atlanta
29 and 7 against chicago matched up against derrick rose
28 and 7 against new orleans
27 and 6 against miami
in his rookie year. last year was a huge step back for him and i think it had a lot more to do with flip murray taking shots and minutes than it did with augustin. he started playing again AFTER we traded murray to chicago. you gotta give the guy his shot and then if he fails, THEN you bring somebody else in. and i don't think livingston is going to take the job away, but actually help. augustin will be able to play his minutes at the point and even get some jason terry-esque activity in at the 2 while livingston plays the point and guards the 2.
i wouldn't say we're set at the point long term, but we have options and potential there for this year. and we half guys like jackson and diaw that will make it easier for our young pg's and thomas and augustin seemed to have good chemistry last year. center on the other hand.....we're depending on a 13 year vet to turn in the season of his life (again) and not get hurt AND for the guys behind him to contribute solidly off the bench. and when we play orlando? forget about it.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 28, 2010 11:23:54 AM
For what it's worth, a statistical comparison of Felton, Harris, and DJ from last season.
So you're right, it's a toss up between Felton and Harris, but by any metric, Augustin is a distant third.
Posted by: Bill | Sep 28, 2010 11:31:25 AM
I can play 5 positions too, but that doesn't mean I am any good at any of them.
Although his ball-handling maybe be better than the average 4, he's nowhere near the level of any PG, SG, and most SFs. He rebounds like a SF but can't guard any of the elite SFs. He is an average defender, at best, at PF and is abused on the boards. Playing him at C, SG, and PG is obviously ridiculous.
You can say that he plays intelligently, passes well, has decent range, and is good role player. But to say that he plays 5 positions at an NBA level is absurd, and you are significantly overstating his utility to this team who is DESPERATE for an adequate PG and C.
Posted by: Mark | Sep 28, 2010 11:46:32 AM
bill you are using last year, not career averages and DJ hardly played last year. PER of 14.9 as a rookie playing 26 minutes a game, PER of 11 as he played 18 minutes per game.
win share of 5.1 as a rookie also.
another point of emphasis that brown stressed last year and that was a huge problem when we weren't having success is turnovers. per 36 for career, felton is 2.6 while augustin and harris are both 2.1. livingston is 2.6.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 28, 2010 11:53:59 AM
Bill, that's ridiculous. The vast majority of Augustin's minutes came with him trying to carry our awful second unit, which I daresay was significantly worse than even the Nets starters. Let Augustin play with some talent around him, and maybe he won't be forced to jack up a contested jumper 75% of the time because nobody around him can do anything at all.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Sep 28, 2010 1:41:28 PM
Procton, eventhough I agree with your statement about DJ. It's funny that you are defending DJ, based on the same reasons you use to hate on Felton.
Posted by: RobC | Sep 28, 2010 1:55:13 PM
procton said what I was going to say in response to bill. oh yea and his PER as a rookie was 14.9 and his win shares were 5.1.
flip murray killed his sophmore season I hope they don't do anything but give him the reigns this year and let him show whether he can do it or not.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 28, 2010 3:31:04 PM
woah sorry for the double comment.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 28, 2010 3:34:46 PM
Boy don't you guys just love diaw (Rick) he is versatile yes, but has more turnovers than apple. I remember him winning and losing plenty of games for the bobcats. I think the cats are still lacking in that center and pg spot stillllll.
Posted by: tbird | Sep 28, 2010 11:02:00 PM
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