October 15, 2010
Collins a keeper?
Undrafted rookie Sherron Collins might not be a lock to make the Charlotte Bobcats' roster, but I have to believe the team's decision Friday to waive Javaris Crittenton is a pretty strong indication.
Larry Brown likes to have three point guards and Shaun Livingston's knee issues would be that much more incentive to keep a third point. Brown likes Collins' decision-making, although it's imperative Collins loses some more weight. As Brown pointed out earlier this preseason, Collins struggles to dribble by defenders in his current condition.
I assume Crittenton didn't fit the Bobcats' needs because he's more a combo guard than a true point, and the Bobcats already have a glut of shooting guards. Good an athlete as Crittenton is, he's still searching for a niche on an NBA roster.
Posted by Observer Sports on October 15, 2010 at 01:37 PM | Permalink
How STUPID IS THIS?? Collins has been pathetic in preseason games. Javaris outplayed the "KANSAS" rookie at every opportunity, but I guess Larry Brown, former coach of "KANSAS", has decided it's better to take an overweight, slow undrafted PG over an experienced yet young PG with remaining promise. I wonder if Collins wears his "KANSAS" t-shirt under his jersey? If I was him I would, especially since he can regularly wipe his sweat from his oversized body regularly to remind LB of his "KANSAS" connection.
This team is disintigrating before our eyes. How much longer will Larry be here once the losing officially begins?
Posted by: Bassman | Oct 15, 2010 2:01:00 PM
I still think a trade is on the way...has to be.
Posted by: Justin | Oct 15, 2010 2:05:31 PM
Please calm down and put the gun away. What's the significance of the 'Bassman' handle, anyway?
Posted by: Authority | Oct 15, 2010 2:05:46 PM
Posted by: jd | Oct 15, 2010 2:16:53 PM
Rick - Does this still leave the door open for a trade? Any chance the Bobcats find a way to somehow resurrect a trade that gets Devin Harris here?
Posted by: PantherDave | Oct 15, 2010 2:33:25 PM
Devin Harris doesn't want to come here. Therefor, we shouldn't want Devin Harris to come here either.
Sometimes I wonder if Boris Diaw wants to be here.
Posted by: On and On | Oct 15, 2010 2:47:19 PM
Rick, I respect Larry Brown a great deal and I know he usually makes the right call but how did we not invite Ish Smith to camp considering we had him in for a try out? Is this guy not exactly what we wanted - a true PG, a heck of a floor manager and a pass first, shoot last, wants the ball in his hands with no time on the clock kind of guy?
I think he's well on his way to making the Rockets squad (unless he completely comes apart tomorrow in China) and that's with Brooks and Lowery on the team. We don't seem to have either a Brooks or a Lowery (and we didn't have a hope for one -- unless we were actually hoping to have another WFU PG in hand by this time and that didn't pan out) here w/ Felton gone so why not the second look at Smith? Was this just a bad miscalculation?
Thanks for any insight you may have - I do appreciate it.
Posted by: Adam | Oct 15, 2010 2:49:50 PM
@ Bassman...wow you sound a little bitter...Is that you Jarvis!!! LOL
Posted by: coconut | Oct 15, 2010 3:06:55 PM
You are right, Bassman. The third-string point guard is going to make or break this roster. It's the most important position on the team, right there with PA announcer and towel guy.
Posted by: Gso Cats Fan | Oct 15, 2010 3:20:36 PM
Bassman is the same way on the Panthers articles. He loves people bringing up his name. Most 10 years olds do
Posted by: TeddyN | Oct 15, 2010 3:21:49 PM
I really like Ish Smith -- a good kid, a smart kid. But I saw a ton of him in college (my son is a big Wake fan), and he is not a true point guard. Collins -- whatever his flaws -- is much more of what you describe as a floor manager.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Oct 15, 2010 4:05:56 PM
I don't think DJ is the answer as the Bobcats starting point guard. I wonder if there is a deal in the making to acquire Gilbert Areans. If so, letting Crittenton go instead of Collins makes more sense. I hope they also go after Yi Jianlian. I would trade Diaw, Diop & Carroll for Arenas & Yi. I think this trade, it's a win-win for both organizations.
pg: arenas, dj, livingston
sg: jackson, henderson
sf: wallace, brown, najera
pf: thomas, mcguire, rgoers
c: brown, yi, nazr
Posted by: Larry | Oct 15, 2010 4:15:13 PM
Well, at least we didn't spend a draft pick on him...
Posted by: M_N | Oct 15, 2010 4:53:32 PM
I like that trade Larry, I really think that's what about to happen to!
Posted by: jah p | Oct 15, 2010 5:06:07 PM
Is there any way we could trade for Arenas?? He is that extra umpf that could get up "somewhat" over the hump. But he has such a large contract.
Posted by: Reggie-D | Oct 15, 2010 5:11:42 PM
I think this move may signal the arrival of Arenas.
Posted by: ASChin | Oct 15, 2010 5:25:29 PM
You do realize Arenas averages nearly $20 each of the next four seasons, right? Don't you think between Jack and Tyrus, they've filled their quirky-personality quota?
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Oct 15, 2010 5:25:52 PM
Of course if Arenas was on the team, you'd see more of Henderson; Gilbert would just fake an injury at tip-off and push Henderson onto the court.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Oct 15, 2010 5:27:26 PM
As I've written before, the only way Arenas comes to the team is if the 'Cats unload Diaw/Diop and Carroll for him. Could also see WAS throwing in McGee to sweeten the deal.
Sure, it's a desperation move and very risky but hasn't MJ shown that to be his style?
Posted by: ASChin | Oct 15, 2010 5:31:46 PM
look, Brown is a decent teacher. But, he is a horrible coach. Think about it. He won only once in 30 years of coaching in NBA and was fired by more than 10 teams. He sucks at coaching. Last season, he limited Nazr to like 15 minutes even though hewas putting up unbelieveable numbers. And this guy keeps going to the empty well of Diaw. Clearly, we should have Ty starting with jackson and Wallace on the court. And how do you keep another 5'11 overweight collins over 6'5 athletic point guard who outplayed him. Collins had 0 assist in 15 minutes yesterday. Brown is 70 and going senile. He sucks.
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 6:32:06 PM
It would be like a psych med if you had attention starved arena here with 70 year old fanatic bipolar control freak Brown, violent schizophrenic Jackson. immature Ty Thomas, etc.
And pay that good for nothing Arenas 20 mil a year for the next 4 years for causing trouble, playing when he wants to, get injured when he wants to, and get outplayed consistently by the other guards and pretend he just let them beat him. That would be the greatest thing that happened for the Bobcats.
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 6:41:03 PM
That horrible coach has won nearly 1100 games. He's the only coach to have won both an NBA and NCAA title. And the stupid, old goat just got the second-most votes among general managers for the coach you'd most want in the last five minutes of a close game.
Yeah, a real loser.
Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Oct 15, 2010 7:40:34 PM
Champion.....the only thing you are a champion of is being a surly, profane dumbass. Rick wouldn't, couldn't say it, but I just did. Nobody cares about a ranting loon. You are a light weight.
Posted by: keyman32 | Oct 15, 2010 8:11:33 PM
People can make light of this situation and say it's unimportant, but if you look at the PGs we have now there is a VERY real possibility that one or both of them could miss significant time due to injury this year.
LBs best coaching days are behind him. He squeezed as much talent as he could out of the players last year, but the real reason they made the playoffs (by the hair of their chin) was because they stayed remarkably healthy. Don't count on that for 2 seasons in a row.
Change can't get here soon enough.
Posted by: David | Oct 15, 2010 8:23:32 PM
That horrible coach has won nearly 1100 games.
Yeah, in 30 years. Hahaha
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 8:39:29 PM
That horrible coach has won nearly 1100 games.
yeah in 30 years. Hahaha
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 8:40:42 PM
Champion is either an old UK fan or a relative of Nazr who comments every so often about how Brown sucks because Nazr doesn't start. I doubt he would have an opinion on Brown if Nazr wasn't on the team...ridiculous.
Posted by: HAve2650 | Oct 15, 2010 9:00:08 PM
Brown is stupid. Last year we had a very squad of Wallace, Felton, Jackson, Thomas, Chandler, Nazr, DJ, Diaw, Graham, Henderson. But, he freakin went all in with the shot happy Jackson going 40 minutes a game shooting like 7 for 24 every game, shooting like 40%. Brown doesn't know how to balance the roster. He is set in his ways and cannot use all the talented players on the team. He just picks one or two guys and do or die with them. More often than not, he dies. He plain sucks.
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 9:35:34 PM
Brown would have best served if he was an assistant coach for 30 years. I appreciate that he is a good teacher. But, he is a horrible evaluator of talent. Even more horrible in terms of knowing how to use a player and working on the rotation players. And also horrible about when to use certain players and when to sit out certain players at certain times. Why would a freakin old coach keep going with Jackson when he is shooting 3 for 18 by the 3rd quarter and other players are just standing around watching him batter the rim? Doesn't it make sense to go with Jackson when he is on his game and give him a rest when he is not so he could average like 35 minutes a game instead of 40 minutes a game. Why would a stupid coach go with a person like Diaw every game when he is getting 2 rebound and 7 points for certain stretches. Wouldn't it make more sense to go with him when he is doing well, but use others when he is not, limiting him to about 25 minutes as a role player that he is. Is Diaw a superstar that we live and die with? That kind of decision making goes on and on. Brown just sucks.
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 9:45:40 PM
Brown should go back to his family who loves him very much.
Posted by: champion | Oct 15, 2010 9:49:53 PM
Hey Rick,you are deluded.Do you still think Carroll can "undress" DJ in a 3 point shooting contest.He hasn't hit a 3 yet and he's taken 50 of them....LMFAOHB(HB=homeboy)
And lol at signing Collins......WE ARE IN THE POO HOLE.
Posted by: Getoffmynuts | Oct 15, 2010 10:41:40 PM
Bobcat fans,you can not be serious when you mention a trade with Washington for Arenas ? You also suggest the Wizzards toss in McGee to sweeten the deal. In what world would Washington give up Arenas ( not to mention McGee ... who is on his way to stardom) for the CRAP you are giving up in Carroll and Diop ( Diaw is decent at best ). Carroll & Diop will be waived out of the leauge once their contracts expire.
Posted by: Yanni C | Oct 15, 2010 10:51:06 PM
Keeping Collins would be a waste of a roster spot that the Bobcats can't afford.
Evidently, Larry Brown appreciates Collins for his playmaking talent. However, Larry Brown also made it clear - this summer already - that Collins needs to lose weight if he wants to be an NBA point guard.
Giving up on this very justified demand, and hoping that we'll be OK with this player (whose weight issues are known since his senior year at Kansas, and costed him being picked in the NBA draft), is flat out wrong.
The most important thing to realize here is that the Bobcats don't just need a third PG, who could only see limited playing time. The team needs either a dependable back-up PG (from free agency), or a trade for a better starting PG.
Going into the season with D.J. Augustin and his undeniable limitations (in terms of leadership and playmaking) as the starter, Shaun Livingston as his very capable, but also very undependable back-up (due to his knee problem), and with Sherron Collins being granted a roster spot, although he doesn't seem to show more determination to stay in good shape than a certain talented power forward (who fortunately is no longer a Bobcat) ever had, is, in my opinion, recipe for a sub-mediocre upcoming season.
And to those who want to keep up an optimistic outlook regardless of circumstances, my answer is: I only wish the best for the Bobcats, and I still hope this season can be a good one. But, you still need to keep a cool head, and to realize the difference between wishful thinking and being realistic.
I expect the Bobcats management to step up and give us, the fans, a much better reason to be optimistic about this season than signing Collins.
Posted by: Sandy | Oct 15, 2010 10:57:24 PM
I guess Championshipsss is now Champion, same knucklehead from last season. I won't go into a long diatribe in a defense of LB, but pretty much any knowledgeable fan knows that he's one of the hands down best bb coaches ever, mayybe top 5, definitiely top 10. So the ridiculous assaults on LB here are just assinine. He did just deliver a firts playoff birth for the Bobcats, adding to his awesome record of taking the most different NBA teams to the playoffs after all.
That said, do I expect this season to go smoothly barring a miracle or significant upgrade in talent? Sadly not. Bill Parcells used to have a saying that you can't turn chicken bleep into chicken salad and that probably applies perfectly to the Bobcats. The current team may have already reached it's potential with losing a first round sweep. Add in a harder East and just getting back to the playoffs will be more difficult this time around, let alone winning a series (or game) in the playoffs.
That's kind of depressing, but still, all is not lost. I have faith in LB to help continue to develop the young core the right way, and give the front-office credit, they are not shy when it comes to pulling the trigger to make an upgrade. Perhaps with the news out of Denver, that old Devin Harris trade isn't as dead as it seems. Some other surprises are always bound to turn up too. Hell, MJ said he could score 100 points in today's NBA. I say go for it with the Cats. Seriously though, I expect the team to make another significant move during the year. If they come out of the gates strong, maybe look to add another vet like they did with Stephen Jackson. If you struggle, I say go the other way and move vets like Jackson and Wallace, give the younger guys time to gel, and hopefully land as high a lottery pick as possible in the likely event you miss the playoffs.
Posted by: Ari | Oct 16, 2010 2:12:50 AM
STFU ABOUT TRADING Jackson and Wallace. They should trade the coach.
Posted by: champion | Oct 16, 2010 4:58:04 AM
People get too caught up in numbers. Just because a guy is a certain height and weight and labeled by some talking heads as an athlete, does not mean he is going to be a good NBA Player. Javaris C has had a couple of years to show his stuff and the rest of the NBA has not beaten his door down with offers. I am not certain that Collins is the answer, but the coaching staff seemed to think he had more upside. I would trust their decision.
Posted by: enforcer1 | Oct 16, 2010 10:46:23 AM
arenas? seriously. i can't even really respond to that. the guy gets suspended for threatening to shoot a teammate. then comes back and fakes an injury in preseason to get his backup more playing time. and you guys want HIM?! and if you don't want him, you want the guy that won 12 games (barely) last year.
if there was a guy to be had it would be chauncey billups in the eventual nuggets rebuilding he would be a nice piece to acquire. he would fit in PERFECT here and he and DJ could play off of each other well. if there were any guy to be campaigning for........that would be it.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 16, 2010 12:32:30 PM
1 - enforcer the nba not "beating down doors" of guys has never been a sign they can't play. look at how many undrafted free agents are in this league today and how many guys like a pete mikeal or a trajan langdon have long european careers outplaying guys that DO get drafted by nba teams. look at charlotte's own anthony morrow. nobody beat his door down after ga tech.
2 - larry brown can't possibly be criticized by any bobcats fan for being anything other than unstable. who else can you give credit to our improvement? rod higgins? bob johnson? felton? theo ratliff? you gonna give all that credit to stephen jackson even though he's had plenty of losing years in his career? really? it's not like anybody was "beating down doors" for ANY of the guys we're winning with.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 16, 2010 1:32:28 PM
Charlotte should be starting Ty Thomas (30 minutes), Jackson (limit 35 minutes), Wallace (35-38 minutes), DJ (30-35 minutes), Diop or Brown (25 minutes). That gives you a big defensive lineup. ---Then you bring in offensively skilled players Nazr (20minutes), Diaw (25 minutes).---Henderson/derrick brown 15 minutes, Livingston/collins 20minutes..that's how rotation should be. But,Brown is too stupid to realize what he is doing wrong.
Posted by: champion | Oct 16, 2010 8:45:31 PM
make it 15 for Nazr. Diop or Brown should get about 25 while the other sits out. the other 8 minutes at center goes to the other center or Thomas depending on the situation, like when one of them is in foul trouble or want to go small for a short stretch with Thomas in the middle.
Posted by: champion | Oct 16, 2010 8:52:26 PM
Collins looked pretty bad in the one game I saw. Javaris' play was superior as well as his conditioning. Diaw looks out of shape also for that matter. Collins routinely turned the ball over. Maybe LB sees some potential in him, I don't. he's a liability on defense and has poor decision making skills. Again this is only observations from his performance against the Thunder.
We always get rid of guys who go one to other teams and perform well...Shannon Brown, Jared Dudley to name two that come off the bench on their teams and play well. I wish we could have kept Larry Hughes. I am anxious to see D. Brown get more time. I am also curious as to the development of the other Gerald on the squad.
Posted by: TJ | Oct 17, 2010 10:40:39 AM
Champion be a fool
Posted by: tarpuss | Oct 19, 2010 4:15:28 AM
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