November 09, 2010
This is not going in the right direction
Did you notice that neither Stephen Jackson, nor Gerald Wallace, was still in the game when it was decided Monday? They didn't belong on the floor.
The idea that your best chance of winning involves Jackson and Wallace sitting sounds nuts. But the way they were Monday -- 6-of-24, plus Jackson's six turnovers -- would be a great reason to sit them.
I didn't anticipate the Bobcats beating the Spurs Monday. In fact, when a security guard said he was sure the Bobcats would win, I reminded him that the Spurs are precisely the kind of team that perplexes the Bobcats.
A team that sound and that precise isn't rattled by the chaos the Bobcats present. At their best, the Bobcats muck it up in a way that unsettles teams.
That's not working so well these days. And I'm not sure it will ever work to tell Jackson to be a more precise player, as opposed to the master of chaos that has served him so well in this league.
I think this team is still more than good enough to be in the Eastern Conference playoffs. But they might be just self-destructive enough that their potential doesn't matter.
Posted by Observer Sports on November 9, 2010 at 12:38 AM | Permalink
stephen jackson is soooooo overrated, get rid of that fool
Posted by: dont worry about it | Nov 9, 2010 1:13:55 AM
The BobCats are always two 3-pointers short at the end of each game.
Maybe the Panthers will trade their last quality player to them: John Kasay!
Posted by: Jason115 | Nov 9, 2010 6:00:27 AM
You said this training camp was awesome, and that these Cats had it all together? I don't doubt there was a great vibe there, but hangin' out with a fine buzz ain't the same as getting it done on the court. This team is a mess. Now I think it's Crash and Jax that cannot co-exist in a good orbit. By that I mean their play together just seems to be completely wacked. And why does Jax have 6 turnovers every game? I think he's trying to be an on-court leader/QB, and that's not a good role for him. We need a strong PG to run the show. DJ might be that, but I suspect he's not built for prime time. TRADES NEEDED NOW PEOPLE! Get a quality 5, and a SG that can really SHOOT!
Posted by: Bassman | Nov 9, 2010 7:15:58 AM
They have no center.
They have no outside shooter.
They can't hang onto the ball.
Fix these and they might be okay.
Posted by: Analyzer | Nov 9, 2010 7:26:09 AM
IMO,the play of both Jackson and Wallace have been off thus far. I don't see the playoff team that you see. I will concede you know way more about basketball than I do. However, at this point I have no faith in them at all. They don't appear to have the hunger and desire that they did last year. Maybe that will come later in the season. Right now they look like The Bad News Bears. They kinda suck. Luckily I didn't pay for my season ticket this year. The person who did has been a holder since the beginning and is contemplating this as their last year as such.
Posted by: digal704 | Nov 9, 2010 7:49:31 AM
So they cut down the turnovers last night (13 is a heck of a lot better than the 21 they've been giving up). I agree with what some other's have said in that Jax is trying to do way too much. I think DJ is coming into his own though. He's doing a great job of distributing the ball, but he does need to take some more shots though, especially with that 3point % he has going for him. I think at the end of the day, the one thing that hurts the Cats is the lack of a true big man at center. I don't miss Tyson Chandler. I miss Theo Ratliff. The good thing for the Bobcats is that they have 4 very winnable games coming up. Lets just hope they find a way to win them, not lose them.
Posted by: PantherDave | Nov 9, 2010 8:03:30 AM
you have to have felt better about last night's game than any other thus far. it's not like depending on jackson and wallace is comparable to depending on matt moore at quarterback. these guys are proven vets. 10 year vets. they had bad games simultaneously and of that magnitude of bad i don't think we've ever seen both at the same time nor do i expect that to happen either.
DJ also shot poorly. played well but shots didn't fall. we thoroughly outplayed san antonio, we got the looks we wanted and we forced them to take the looks that we wanted them to take. if gary neal is gonna go 5 for 7 on 3's, gary neal is gonna go 5 for 7 on 3's. he did that, and simultaneously jackson wallace and augustin went 9 for 39 and we lost by 4.
i could have sworn they said we had 14 TO's but the box score today says 13. 6 of em by jackson. and we forced a lot of spurs turnovers. if we had gotten an average game or even a bad game from jackson we win, instead we got a horrible game from both him and wallace and augustin shot terribly.
maybe i'm the iternal optimist but i was heavily encouraged that we showed we can come out the gate early, we saw brown seemingly wave the white flag with 2 minutes to go only for the young'ns to almost win the game for us.....we saw diop actually playing defense and rebounding....we saw tyrus be the 8 million dollar guy....we saw livingston starting to come into his own....we saw a lottery pick look like a lottery pick and we saw a 2nd round pick look like a lottery pick.
we just gotta piece all of this together consistently and pull em out in the end but I can definitely see this being a positive year in the end. we aren't the only projected playoff team struggling. milwaukee is 2 and 5 and there hasn't been a surprise east team jump up and start like new orleans has. the best of our competition are at 3-3.
we'll be fine.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 9, 2010 9:22:39 AM
Ok...so I've watched a good bit of every game so far this season. DJ has been solid in about half the games, and just ok in the others. I'm not trying to knock DJ (as I know he's been kicked around enough already) but I believe what this team is missing is Felton's ability to drive to the basket and create his own shot, or create a shot for someone else. That is something Raymond did extremely well, and I feel it's what kept us in several of the games we ended up winning last year. DJ doesn't do that...he has the ability I think but doesn't use it, or just don't have the confidence. Obviously DJ is a better shooter than Ray, but he's not getting enough shots to be effective for us. So with that said, Devin Harris is still the guy I want. I know it's not happening but he's the kind of player we need right now.
Posted by: Justin | Nov 9, 2010 9:23:26 AM
That kid who I've never heard of hitting like 5-6 3's kinda killed us. I swear in the 4th he hit 3 straight from the same spot on the floor.
I've been really happy with the performance of our PFs. Boris had 15 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists and Tyrus had 16 points, 8 rebounds, 3 blocks.
I really wouldn't be surprised to see Boris get traded.
Posted by: Clay Mitchell | Nov 9, 2010 9:33:24 AM
This pizzant joint is sports cursed. Something made HIM pizzed. People get down on your sorryazz hands & knees and beg to get back on the good side. Whats that about Im not mocked? Vengence is mine? I will burn you a new azzholio? Yikez.
Posted by: m weiss | Nov 9, 2010 9:35:04 AM
Both Jack and Gerald look tentative offensively. I don't know if it can attributed to LB and what he's asking of them, shaking off early-season rust, or what... I just know that both players (particularly Jack) aren't playing to their strengths. No rhythm whatsoever.
Let Augustin handle the ball a bit more and create some looks for teammates - or at least let him try. He's the point guard.
Posted by: ajbry | Nov 9, 2010 9:37:39 AM
i told u and i say it a million times, this team would miss felton and they have big time..now felton is doing his thing at new york and they have a winning record, hey larry and michael, u made a mistake not keeping felton..now look what u got..fuck the bobcats...they suck
Posted by: callingitlikeiseeit | Nov 9, 2010 10:01:11 AM
Remember when we all predicted this, and you assured us that the lack of a PG/C wouldn't keep us out of the playoffs, and even accused us of being unnecessarily alarmist? Let the backstroking begin.
Posted by: Bill | Nov 9, 2010 10:05:02 AM
Let's face it; the Bobcats' starting five are just a bunch of six men. We have no superstar, no "go to guy", nobody to bail us out on offense. Jax & Wallace are not two guys you want to build a team around. Poor draft choices and terrible contracts have doomed this team and LB is not a good coach to keep around, he's only good for the first one or two seasons.
Posted by: D.W.G. | Nov 9, 2010 10:31:33 AM
Were seven games into the season. 4 road games and 3 home games. 2 home games against great teams. Not excusing the losses but a pretty tough schedule for a team with many new faces and players that that didn't play last year. I see the team starting to improve and there is along way to go. If you look at the conference standings the Cats are only 2 games out of the 8th spot. With that being said, i would be disappointed if the Bobcats don't turn the corner against Washington and Toronto.
Posted by: nucat | Nov 9, 2010 10:49:44 AM
you guys are just saying things to say them. we aren't missing felton. augustin has been statistically even or better across the board. we're moving the ball better and getting into our sets at a much quicker pace than we had in the past.
this slow start is on wallace and jackson. that's our leaders and while they've both had a good game or 2, they've had horrible games including last night. take a moment to marinate on this for a second. the spurs are to most people the 2nd or 3rd best team in the west and a legit contender. they played at 100% missing only matt bonner. they got 5 of 7 from gary neal. we lost by 4 where our 3 best scorers shot 9 for 39 and jackson had 6 turnovers.
that should be a positive. that's saying that at our worst, we can still compete with the best in the league.
we're 1-6. we started 3-9 last year. get a grip on it and stop being fairweather fans. questioning larry brown? only rivers, jackson, and poppovich also have rings. show me the upgrade to larry brown. you have got to be kidding me.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 9, 2010 11:54:21 AM
D.W.G, I agree with your assessment. It is the beginning of the season, but I just don't see the heart in this team.
Posted by: Digal704 | Nov 9, 2010 12:42:35 PM
Last year I begged for the Cats to make a trade for Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins when they were both wanting out of Golden State. Look at them now!
Now, the best case scenario would be to send Diaw, Diop, Carroll and Najera to the Wizards for Arenas, Yi and Trevor Booker. Washington's desparate to get rid of Arenas.
Arenas, DJ, Livingston
Wallace, Brown, Booker
Thomas, Mcquire, Rogers
Brown, Yi, Nazr
This starting five should do well in the Eastern Conf. and the young reserves represent a very good future for the Bobcats.
Notice I've dropped "good for nothing" Collins and added Matt Rogers. Make the trade Mike!
Posted by: Larry | Nov 9, 2010 1:05:32 PM
This team does not miss Felton, because DJ is not the problem. Dj is no the one turning the ball over 6 times a game or jacking up bad shots. Felton is doing well because of Amare. In this current system DJ is putting up about the same numbers as Felton did prior to leaving. There two glaring problems with this team
2. Perimeter Defense, you cannot win allowing your opponent to shot over 40% from behind the arc!!
Posted by: Roy | Nov 9, 2010 1:25:54 PM
If the cats lose the next two games I am thinking the ship has really sunk. They have to turn things around in a hurry with a winning streak!!!! Time to see what trades are out there. U know MJ is doing that as we speak. By the february deadline someone will be gone.
Posted by: tbird | Nov 9, 2010 1:38:43 PM
you guys are idiots (cry sandy) you want to bring in gilbert arenas? are you serious? and last year when monta ellis was available, the asking price was high and he looked like a cancer with a bad contract. now he's starting to grow up and look like the guy he looked to be when he got the contract. and he still hasn't won anything. he's looking to be on the up and up paired with curry but the guy is still putting up big numbers on a team that plays little defense and hasn't done anything.
we've got a really good group of talent considering we've got 15-20 million tied up in guys that don't really contribute.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 9, 2010 2:08:47 PM
time to blow it up. trade wallace for young talent+picks, trade jackson for an expiring and a pick to a good team. fire larry if he doesn't like it
Posted by: lolcats | Nov 9, 2010 2:22:03 PM
Jax and Gerald have had a rough start to the season and will come together. All you people bashing Jackson and saying to trade him, just remember he is the man that put Charlotte in the playoffs last season. He does hurt teams sometimes with his poor shot selection and bad decisions, but he makes more plays than anyone on this team. Other teams defenses are focused on him which is opening up the floor for everyone else. 7 possessions out of the bobcats 10 he makes the right pass for someone else to make an easy pass for an assist.
Posted by: Casey | Nov 9, 2010 2:23:27 PM
I hate to see MJ regret his investment with this franchise. The players on this team are mediocre (complimenting talents) players, and Jordan need to scout well, and bring someone better to handle the ball and shoot. Do not play both Jackson and & Wallace the same time. Jackson like to hang on to the ball and he's a poor ball handler, period. Turnovers and Jackson is the leader on this team for that.
Posted by: aaron siafa | Nov 9, 2010 4:10:27 PM
OKAY I WAS IN PANIC MODE TOO, BEFORE I SETTLE DOWN AND REALIZED THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, FIRST OFF START TYRUS THOMAS IN HIS PRODUCTION HE HAS EARN THE RIGHT TO BE A STARTER AT THIS POINT, SECOND BENCH DIAW IT SHOULD MOTIVATE HIM TO PLAY HARDER AND BECOME A GREAT SIX MAN OFF THE BENCH, THIRD TRADE MATT CARROLL AND EJERA GUY TO DENVER AND GET J.R SMITH, FOURTH SIGN ERICK DAMPIER HE WILL HELP GIVE THIS TEAM A LITTLE MORE SIZE
G.M RAHSHON GAMBLE
1.START TYRUS THOMAS
3.TRADE MATT CARROLL AND EJERA TO DENVER FOR J.R SMITH
4.SIGN ERICK DAMPIER FOR SIZE AND DEPT AT CENTER POSITION
I FEEL THIS WILL GET US BACK ON TRACK I DONT THINK WE NEED TO MAKE ANY TRADE THAT WILL HURT THIS TEAM I LIKE THE CORE OF THIS TEAM DJ,JACKSON,WALLACE AND TYRUS WE CAN DEVELOPE OUR YOUNG TALENT AROUND THIS CORE, BUT CARROLL AND EJ HAVE NO PLAYING TIME AND DONT FIT LARRY'S SYSTEM, J.R SMITH IS EXCELLECT THREE POINT SHOOTER AND DEFENDER AND WOULD FIT NICELY WITH OUR CORE GROUP,
SOON DOMINIC MCGUIRE WILL BE HEALTHY AND KWAME BROWN WE WILL BE BIG, FAST AND READY TO COMPETE
Posted by: RAHSHON GAMBLE | Nov 9, 2010 5:19:52 PM
Larry Brown finally had the guts to put the blame where it belonged. Wallace and Jackson. This team has been playing better without Jackson since the past playoffs.
Posted by: afan | Nov 9, 2010 5:47:24 PM
That's saying that at our worst, we can still compete with the best in the league.
okay i agree but a loss is a loss and I'd take a win ugly win or pretty win hey just win,or the motto WIN AS ONE, BETTER THAN LOSE AS MANY. On the subject of Arenas, no no and hell to the no. Someone in Washington was on crack when they give him his big ass contract, and the trade you speak of is impossible because it's no way we can trade for Aneras without going over the LUXURY TAX THRESHOLD and MJ said that aint happening. SO with that being said i feel it's best they be real careful about moving parts, But Matt Carroll and EJ i feel you could ship them and wont destory the flow of things. You dont have to bring the cage down just rattle the cage a little bit just make a few changes.
ONLY PLAYER I REALLY LIKE US TO GET IS J.R SMITH HE'S THE TYPE OF PLAYER THIS TEAM NEEDS A PURE SHOOTER SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT THREES AND PLAY GOOD DEFENSE SOMEONE VERY ATLETHIC. WE COULD USE THIS ROTATION
OFFENSIVE SQUAD 4TH PERIOD
-NOTICE ALL THESE GUYS ARE CAPABLE OF KNOTING DOWN THREES AND WOULD SPEARD OUT THE FLOOR. MORE OF A QUICK SCORING SQUAD
1.SHAUN LIVINGTON 6-7
2.STEPTEN JACKSON 6-9
3.GERALD WALLACE 6-7
4.TYRUS THOMAS 6-10
YOUNG AND FAST SQUAD
NO ONE IS THE ROTATION IS OVER 30
IF YOU CAN'T OUT PLAY A TEAM OUT RUN A TEAM NOTHING FAST NATURAL SPEED JUST RUN THE HEELS OFF THE COMPO. SPEED KILLS
Posted by: RAHSHON GAMBLE | Nov 9, 2010 6:04:57 PM
i like j.r. smith but we really don't need him. we really don't.
you guys are spazzing out when as mentioned above, we started 3-9 last year, and we've got some easier games ahead. we aren't getting blown out, we're losing nail biters which have for the most part been VERY enjoyable to watch regardless of the outcome. we're gonna win a lot of games with this group assuming jackson doesn't implode.
at this point that's the only fear of this roster is jackson. when we got him last year, you have to know its a ticking time bomb. when things don't go his way he is SURE to go off and blame everybody and everything. he looked quite dejected and uninterested in the huddle at the end of a game that definitely mattered. that's not being a good teammate or a leader at all. i don't think it's at that breaking point yet but I would imagine that if brown starts cutting into his minutes, he will become an absolute cancer. i hope this doesn't happen because we definitely need him and he doesn't have much trade value to many teams. it will be hard to move his contract.
and denver isn't taking matt carroll and najera for j.r. smith. if you're going to post fantasy trade recommendations, atleast make them realistic. stop with the arenas' talk he has a horrible contract and he's not a winner. stop with the dampier talk, brown will be back in a week or 2 to shore up the 5 spot.
we're going to be fine. ease off the panic buttons and somebody get jackson a drink and tell him to be easy.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 9, 2010 8:05:24 PM
If you think Denver is going to give up J.R. Smith for Matt Carroll and Najera, then maybe we should just take Carmelo off their hands too. Let's see we could offer them Gana Diop, I know that's not a fair trade so maybe they will throw in a number one pick next year as well. Get Real!
Posted by: Chris G. | Nov 9, 2010 10:00:28 PM
I don't believe that what the Bobcats need now is any major trade, but something needs to change in the team's direction. The last game may be pointing to such changes.
The team was able to reduce its turnovers to 14, but 6 came from Jax. I agree with those saying that he's trying to do too much in running the offense: he averages .5 more apg than last season, but, at the price of .6 more TO/g than last season. That's not worth it.
I'm really impressed with DJ's progress in running the offense. So, let him do his job, let Diaw (and sometimes Livingston) be his main helpers. That should allow Jax to cease doing too much as an "assistant PG", cut down his TOs, and focus again on scoring. He was last season our top scorer. This season, he averages 4 ppg less than last season!
I'm certainly not saying he should be a black hole, never passing, I just think that a change of emphasis in the way he plays this season is needed.
Another needed change: Gerald and Jax should stop logging so many minutes. That leads to early wear out, it's not how the team can get the best out of them, while the younger players proved that they deserve increased playing time. Gerald averages 39 mpg this season, and Jax played 42 mpg in the 4 games leading up to the one against the Spurs, when he underperformed and played much less.
This team is capable of good team work at both ends of the floor, and it showed in the last game that it's capable of being more responsible in its ball handling. Changes like those mentioned above should be enough to put the 'Cats on a winning course, without any major trade.
Posted by: Sandy | Nov 10, 2010 12:52:08 AM
i'm on board with that sandy. i think jack could borderline turn into a spot up shooter/late in the shot clock one on one guy for us and otherwise let the previously mentioned do the playmaking.
i don't like how every time he contests a foul, he goes and commits an intentional petty foul on the other end as if that is going to affect the way the refs officiate on the other end. it's a lack of maturity on his part. he's got to get it together because he IS the difference between this team succeeding and not. regardless of how well everybody else plays.
and for everybody that was counting the pacers out this year i hope they saw their game last night....scary to think they have like 30 million in cap room after this season. larry bird has done a phenominal job in the past 2 years rebuilding that team without settling for quick fixes. interesting to see if they bring back dunleavy.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 10, 2010 12:10:18 PM
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