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December 09, 2010

Thomas "highly doubtful'' against Pacers

Charlotte Bobcats power forward Tyrus Thomas is “highly doubtful’’ to play Friday against the Indiana Pacers, according to coach Larry Brown.

Thomas has a sore left quadriceps and missed practice Wednesday and Thursday. Thomas said he isn’t sure when he injured his leg, but he started feeling pain as he cooled off on the bench during Tuesday’s victory over the Denver Nuggets.

Also Thursday, the Bobcats decided to send rookie Sherron Collins for a stint with the Development League Maine Red Claws.

Collins, the team’s third point guard, has played briefly in two of the Bobcats’ last five games. Brown said this is a chance for Collins to play a lot and improve his game-conditioning.

Collins said he welcomed the chance to get in more run.

In Collins’ absence, Boris Diaw or Stephen Jackson would be the emergency third point guard, behind D.J. Augustin and Shaun Livingston.

Brown indicated it’s possible other Bobcats might also do a D-League assignment. Brown didn’t mention any names but the only two players seemingly young enough for that to make any sense would be second-year pros Gerald Henderson and Derrick Brown.

Henderson has been out with a sore left knee, and hopes to practice 5-on-5 for the first time in weeks on Monday. Brown has played little of late, as the team uses Dominic McGuire.

Posted by Observer Sports on December 9, 2010 at 12:34 PM | Permalink


Dom McGuire should be following Sherron Collins, but LB prefers around the rim garbage players instead of talent. Now that Thomas is out it sure looks like another loss. Henderson is a animal if he lets loose but of course GW and Jack get all the minutes and burnout and fatigue become a factor. The Pacers and the Knicks are good teams this year and they love to shoot the 3!!! But it is a thing of beauty watching it, sorry Lb.

Posted by: tbird | Dec 9, 2010 1:25:36 PM

based on yesterday's comments by LB, DBrown should play Friday if Thomas can't. Unless Najara gets in or Wallace moves to 4, Jack to 3, and Dom gets the start at the 2. Oh the mystery that's instilled in a LB rotation.

Posted by: altheus | Dec 9, 2010 2:30:35 PM

LMFAO, LB would rather send Henderson and DBrown to the d-league than McGuire. KILL ME NOW.

Posted by: I'm A Hole | Dec 9, 2010 2:43:19 PM

Derrick Brown is a future star. He dazzles everybody with high flying dunks and overwhelming tenacity.

He is like the last piece of cake. Everybody wants it, and the one that gets it savors that one piece, but then the cake is gone, and you dont know when you will get any again

Posted by: sean | Dec 9, 2010 2:57:12 PM

They should have kept Sherron Collins in. He is a real bright spot on the team and was a joy to watch on the court. He had a great attitude, seemed to really want to be there, motivated other players, and played well when he was put in. The Bobcats need a Mugsy Bogues-type player who can contribute on the court and in the community to generate more support for the team.

He will be missed by this season ticket holder.

And, I agree Derek Brown has a bright future ahead of him. Not sure if he was sick or what the last game, but I hope he gets more playing time soon.

Posted by: seasonticketholder | Dec 9, 2010 3:11:32 PM

One more thing, D. Brown has been very solid in his playing time so far this season, so it wouldn't make sense to send him to the D-League.

And, from what I have seen, only a few of the players seem to give a hoot about the fans or want to engage with them at all. Most of them act like it is a chore, which is really disappointing. Don't send your good PR players away.

Posted by: seasonticketholder | Dec 9, 2010 3:21:13 PM

I gather from your comment you see this as some sort of demotion or banishment for Collins. It's not. They're sending him there to get some run and improve his conditioning. Collins gets that totally and endorses the idea of going to Maine, which plays five games in the next nine nights.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Dec 9, 2010 3:30:25 PM

Yes, I do as do most others. What's the likelihood players get out of the d-league once in?

Posted by: seasonticketholder | Dec 9, 2010 3:43:12 PM


What type of contract is Collins under? ie are do we have him for a few more years. I think he could move into a solid backup PG.

Posted by: Nick | Dec 9, 2010 3:53:20 PM

TYRUS? Really? Is that his name? Can SOMEONE PLEASE ask him or his momma how they came to call him that for a name. PLEASE! Its sooooo silly.....re.....sillyUS!

Posted by: Tyleeka | Dec 9, 2010 4:23:42 PM

"Get out?'' You make the D-League sound like jail. They're helping him get in shape and be more useful to them. He's still getting paid by the Bobcats and is still on their roster.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Dec 9, 2010 4:27:11 PM

Terrence Williams went to the dleague for like three games, averaged a triple double, and is back with the team. So he was there for like a week. Alexi Ajinca was beasting for Dallas this week and he spent a month or so in the D earlier in January.

Posted by: altheus | Dec 9, 2010 5:37:36 PM

Nick, he's got a very cheap team option for next year if we want him and will be an FA after that.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 9, 2010 6:03:28 PM

It will be interesting to see what kind of excuse Larry uses to not play D. Brown now. Hey Larry, how about letting Brown guard Granger so we actually have a chance against the Pacers. He would rather lose and do it his way than win and admit he was wrong about anything.

Posted by: Gary | Dec 9, 2010 8:12:07 PM

D Brown should play more. I know he is not a true 3 and he is too undersized at the 4 BUT he is very good around the basket and does hustle and we need that. McGuire is just not very good, he thinks he can shoot from the perimeter but can't! LB stop being so proud and play Henderson more when he gets healthy, he can maybe help us get back the defensive hustle that earned us a playoff spot last year.

Posted by: Panthersand Bobcats | Dec 9, 2010 8:15:35 PM

i could have sworn players on an nba roster past 2 years of experience couldn't be "assigned" to a d-league team. so that would eliminate everybody but brown or henderson by rule.

Posted by: charlottean | Dec 9, 2010 9:20:16 PM

I cringe everytime McGuire gets the ball and attempts a shot!!Can we please get this scrub outta here!! Jordan please help this team!!Larry has gone mad!!

Posted by: jah p | Dec 9, 2010 10:00:14 PM

This team deserves to lose every game they play McGuire. I think LB is trying to get himsef fired.

Posted by: crymeariver | Dec 9, 2010 10:32:56 PM

God, all some of you people do is bitch and moan. Enough already, please! I'm all for getting the younger guys involved too, but let's stop turning D. Brown and G. Henderson into HOF players just yet. Even if they played significant minutes each night, I doubt they make the difference between wins and losses at this point. Actually, they would probably make losses even more likely, with the growing pains vs. more established teams, and then when the Cats lost those games, you'd still be complaining about the coach who led this team to their first playoff appearance ever last year. The only HOF member of this organization, aside from the owner, is the coach. 10 more wins, and ABA record included, he has the most pro wins all-time. After about 50 years in the game, I would think he knows a thing or two about setting the rotation, more than everyone on this board combined.

Posted by: Ari | Dec 10, 2010 1:32:45 AM

Dude calm down it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out whose the better talent. It is a free country to express your opinion especially when it is obvious that D. Brown is ready to jump and do some damage. Are you related to Dom McGuire, or do you have a crush on him.

Posted by: tbird | Dec 10, 2010 9:30:28 AM

Grizzlies are looking to ship OJ Mayo and Zach Randolph. Randolph, a true center just went for 35 and 14 a few nights ago. Mayo is a pg as fast as DJ with great size. Make a trade happen MJ and Brown. I wouldnt mind seeing Diaw and one of our other soft players moved!

Posted by: jw | Dec 10, 2010 9:58:27 AM

Off topic -- but reading about the NBA's purchase of the Hornets. What would be amazing would be a merger of the Hornets and the Bobcats -- Charlotte gets the Hornets back (sans Shinn) a major roster upgrade with the addition of CP3 and the others and becomes an instant major draw.


Posted by: MInk | Dec 10, 2010 11:45:47 AM

I would absolutely love to get OJ Mayo, and even Randolph, as it appears he has MAYBE gotten his act together.

BUT, we don't really have any pieces that I can imagine would interest Memphis, and we would also be over the luxury tax unless we convinced them to take Diop, which I think we all know IS NOT happening.

I'll keep dreaming.

Posted by: tom P | Dec 10, 2010 12:17:11 PM

This is why I feel I must continue to call for the removal of LB as head coach. He does not develop young talent, never has and never will. You look at how Felton is blossoming in NY, now that he has more freedom to "SHOOT THE DANG BALL!". LB is an excellent defensive coach(this is a offensive league)and his teams have trouble scoring because he is often to restrictive at the offensive end. The Bobcats having made the playoffs now they have some respect and need to maintain what has already been gained by building on its defensive philosphy. The team must began to develop its young stars to contribute and replace our aging ones i.e. Jackson, Wallace, and Diaw.

Posted by: moboythunder | Dec 10, 2010 2:42:02 PM

I wish we could trade Jack and Diaw and $3mil for Mayo and Randolph. Jack needs to go even if he is our best player. Can't stand his antics

Posted by: zach | Dec 10, 2010 4:49:02 PM

Ari, some fans write about LB out of anger, and that's something you'll never be able to change. When the team is not doing well, fans' angry messages will keep coming.

On the other hand, you never tire of getting defensive on LB's behalf, and you push this to excessive extremes. I said this so many times, that I'm getting bored of repeating it: Larry Brown is a great coach, but he is neither perfect nor beyond criticism. You need to understand the difference between his technical expertise, that none of the fans can dispute (and if anyone thinks he can, he has a problem), and judgment calls, which are subjective preferences. Basketball is not an exact science, Ari, and there is room for different viewpoints and different preferences, and for discussion around them.

Larry Brown's preferences include emphasizing defense above offense (of course, he also cares about, and coaches, offense - but, it's a matter of emphasis), a strong dislike for 3 point shooting along with a preference for driving or mid range open jump shots, and trusting veterans while often mistrusting younger players, to the point that veterans get a counterproductive overload of playing time, while young players with pretty good upside don't get enough minutes to develop as pros. These preferences are controversial at least, they are not "the one and only way".
Briefly, coach Brown's huge expertise in the field doesn't make his every decision and choice the right one, and doesn't put his subjective preferences beyond criticism. That's why your shut-upper to the fans: "After about 50 years in the game, I would think he knows a thing or two about setting the rotation, more than everyone on this board combined" is wrong.

Every coach has his style and his preferences, which are debatable. Most coaches are not great - as LB is, but most of them are also not as quirky as he is.
My main point here was to let Ari know that trying to stifle discussion is wrong.
As for an assessment of how LB's coaching is working for the 'Cats this season, we'll see, it's still early in the season. Meanwhile, fans certainly have the right to discuss and criticize some of his choices.

Posted by: Sandy | Dec 10, 2010 4:52:30 PM

Sandy, fair enough, I'm not saying fans shouldn't be able to express their views, but do it with some respect, not only regarding LB, but all the players. I get angry when some fans out there make LB out to be a complete moron, offer false generalizations about his career, or mistate facts about his record. Some even have the nerve to call for the HOF coach to be fired right now. That alone shows they don't know much about the game.

By the way, in response to some criticisms that Brown has not developed young players in his career, not true. I don't have the time to go into all the details now, but the info is pretty readily available. Even young players who didn't see much playing time under him have credited him for their development after he is gone. One recent example is Raymond Felton. I live in the NY area, and leading up to the games vs. the Bobcats a couple of weeks ago, Felton let it be known in the local papers that LB is by far the most influential person in his pro career. Felton is doing a great job so far in NY, but I'm pretty happy with D.J. too. The obvious benefit to Felton with Knicks is an arsenal of offensive weapons not available in Charlotte. They have one of the better big shooting teams in the league, and Stoudemire up front. Unfortunately, that's what money can buy you.

Posted by: Ari | Dec 10, 2010 5:31:21 PM

OK, Ari, what you say in the first paragraph of your comment is reasonable, and easy for me to agree with. Please, stop going to extremes on this issue (as you've done previously). On the other hand, when it comes to respect in comments on coach and players, although you have my 100% agreement, you know that with many fans it's not gonna work.

On your second paragraph: if it were so simple... Larry Brown's coaching in practice is a blessing to any inexperienced young player (for more experienced players, who are settled in their ways, it might range between great to occasionally becoming a pain...). But many (not all) of these young players don't get enough playing time, and that hinders their development. Heck, this is not unique to LB, but it seems to be more so with him than with many other coaches.

On Raymond: he always made it clear that playing under LB's guidance benefited him. However, he played for LB in his 4th and 5th NBA years, as the most experienced PG on the roster (the other being DJ, besides the combo guards we had), so playing time didn't need to be a problem for him.
As for the way he's performing for the Knicks now (for which I'm really happy), I wrote on this before. The biggest difference is the system. The fast paced approach (which worked great for Raymond under Roy Williams too) results in more offensive production, but also, in more mistakes. I'm not a fan of Mike D'Antoni or of run-and-gun, but, it works well for Raymond, and he is the second best player of their team, behind Amare.

Posted by: Sandy | Dec 10, 2010 11:47:56 PM

I'm also not sold on D'Antoni's system winning a championship ultimately, but it sure as heck is a fun system for a player to be in no doubt, especially guys that can knock down shots. Of course it can't work without the right talent, as witnessed by D'Antoni's consecutive 50 plus loss seasons before this year. I think Felton's a pretty versatile player who can adapt to both a LB and D'Antoni coached offense, and be effective in both. He probably enjoys playing a bit more for the Knicks than Charlotte because he may have more freedom, and the coach isn't constantly in his ear, but again to win the ultimate prize you probably at least need a hybrid of the systems to bring enough intensity on the defensive end, or else you're doomed in the playoffs, going against more complete teams. A good example of this might be the Pistons team that won a title under Brown in 2004. They could run and gun a little bit, but for the most part played a half-court game and great defense. Maybe the run and gun could win a title without a great defense, but you'd have to be really stacked with offensive talent, and at least the Knicks, probably my least favorite team, aren't there yet. If they somehow can add Carmello and/or Chris Paul next year, however, look out.

Posted by: Ari | Dec 11, 2010 2:59:39 AM

That's right. If the Knicks get Carmelo (plus a better center - not a star, just a Kwame Brown-like one), they become a contender.

Posted by: Sandy | Dec 11, 2010 2:31:50 PM

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