June 23, 2011
Thoughts on Bobcats-Bucks deal ...
This Bobcats' trade that sent Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston to the Bucks won't be official until late in the first round, just because the league doesn't want deal announcements distracting from the picks. But it's been agreed-to and here's some reaction:
-- I'll miss Jackson a lot. Say what you want about his volatility, his technical fouls, his shot selection. The guy cared deeply about winning and losing and he was the best offensive weapon in Bobcats history.
Corey Maggette was an expensive liability in Milwaukee. The Bobcats are taking on his $10 million salary each of the next two seasons as the price for a second lottery pick.
-- They're going to stink next season, and there is a saving grace in that; it means the protection on the first-round pick they owe the Chicago Bulls (Tyrus Thomas trade) will kick in for the 2012 draft. They'll keep their first-rounder but will still owe the Bulls a pick down the road.
-- Remember Rich Cho saying the building plan is all about "assembling assets?'' This is how you do that -- by accepting a bad contract attached to a lottery pick.
-- Breathtaking, isn't it, how quickly that playoff team of a year ago has been gutted: Gerald Wallace, gone. Jackson, gone. Raymond Felton, gone. Tyson Chandler, gone. You can only hope these picks work out, because they're betting heavily on their ability to draft well.
Posted by Observer Sports on June 23, 2011 at 05:56 PM | Permalink
I absolutely despise this organization. No freaking heart left at all!
Posted by: digal704 | Jun 23, 2011 6:05:06 PM
this is shocking because of jackson being in shape and everything.
they better be doing this to grab vesely and biyombo both.
irving/williams/kanter/valanciunas/knight/leonard/vesely/walker/biyombo sound about right to you guys?
hansbrough 2nd round to backup DJ?
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2011 6:06:26 PM
I was excited all day........
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jun 23, 2011 6:06:31 PM
You don't make a trade to get better you make a trade to get better.And with this trade the bobcats just got worst today.
Posted by: john | Jun 23, 2011 6:11:03 PM
it's a knee jerker for sure but i think when the dust settles this might work. we weren't going to win next year anyways so maybe this just lost us an additional 5 games so that we get a slightly better pick next year.....
ARE WE GOING TO GET BARNES NOW OR WHAT?!
augustin/henderson/barnes/vesely/biyombo???? or vesely getting his toni kukoc on while tyrus starts
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2011 6:14:23 PM
Jack is a good player. He is not a player that will be a centerpiece of a championship contender. The goal is not to make the playoffs, but win championships. You assemble assets to win championships. The only player traded or let go in the last year that was championship material, Tyson Chandler. Who would have thought that when he was in Charlotte.
Posted by: Al | Jun 23, 2011 6:16:49 PM
Jackson needed to go... Sorry - just a fact. Diaw does too. Maggette is going to be fine coming in off the bench.
I think MJ is setting up for two major moves next year. First - they will make a run at Chris Paul. Next they will make a move for Harrison Barnes. They will trade a couple future first rounders and perhaps someone like DJ to get Barnes. Do you see Paul, Henderson and Barnes as the starting 1,2,3? I do....
Posted by: Dominator | Jun 23, 2011 6:19:36 PM
charlottean, still obsessing I see.
Posted by: BarelyCareAnymore | Jun 23, 2011 6:22:43 PM
If Detroit wants Tristan so bad, would they be willing to give up a 2nd rounder to jump us (we switch 7th and 8th) so that we end up with picks 8, 9, 38, 39?
Posted by: Chris | Jun 23, 2011 6:25:42 PM
3- Maggette/Diaw or draft pick
5- Kwame or draft pick
Their is some potential there. We really need to hope one of our picks can crack the starting lineup.
Also worried about backup PG with Liv gone. Does this bring Kemba or Jimmer into play?
Also with Thomas and Diaw at the 4 how is a Tristan Thompson or Biyombo gonna help that much? Looks like we need a 5 and a legit 3 who can actually shoot.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 23, 2011 6:27:17 PM
Some of you people are pure ignorant. Cho said first day he was going to build the team like he helped do in OKC. Okc gave away Allen for the 5th pick and was horrid for a couple seasons but stayed the course. So what if Jacksons gone? Do you guys want to stay in mediocrity the next 5 years? Trade Jackson, get a high pick, get young assets, be terrible for the next year or two then become good. Look at the big picture people.
Posted by: Jason Warren | Jun 23, 2011 6:31:00 PM
Pretty sure Vessely is going #6 to Washington.
We will walk away with two of: Thompson/Biyombo/Leonard/Singleton/Burks.
I really like this move today, and I don't think we are done.
There are going to be 5 or 6 guys in next years draft that would probably be the #1 pick this year. We are setting ourselves up nicely. Good work MJ, Higgs & Cho.
Posted by: tom P | Jun 23, 2011 6:32:04 PM
Hey Al. Don't you think they learned their lesson about drafting UNC players after the Felton/May failure?
Posted by: GZA | Jun 23, 2011 6:35:42 PM
I love the move.....we are rebuilding....quit crying in your sippy cups.
Posted by: semperdemperfefifo | Jun 23, 2011 6:38:20 PM
That's the question. Games lost as a factor of the trade. Personally, I'll miss The Pressure Lover. However, at the end of the year, when we didn't have Jack, we were okay and not horrid. Maggette averages 20 in uptempo play. Minus the tech fouls. We'll be ok.
Posted by: Altheus | Jun 23, 2011 6:39:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this was a bad move for the Bobcats doesn't know what they're talking about.
The worst place to be in the NBA is in the middle. And for organizations without an established superstar to attract other good players, the only hope is to hoard high picks and hit on one of them. Once a base of young, great players, one of whom is hopefully a "superstar" is built, then you can attract the type of free agents that can help your superstar lead the franchise to a championship.
Now, unfortunately there aren't any really amazing players in this draft outside of the top two, but Jordan and Cho have put the Bobcats in a position to draft tome really solid players who can help the Bobcats down the road. Maybe they suck a lot next year and have a chance at that superstar in a loaded draft. Or maybe they don't and have another mid-lottery pick. Either way, this move is a step in the right direction.
Posted by: Will | Jun 23, 2011 6:40:52 PM
Brilliant move by the Bobcats. Cho is already working his magic. They were still not going to go anywhere with that they had. Now, they have two top 10 picks. Even if the draft isn't loaded with star power it has tons of role players. Hopefully they can get Thompson and Singleton or Burks.
Posted by: PantherDave | Jun 23, 2011 6:42:14 PM
I love this move for the future! I think the bigger difference in 7 and 19 pick than in maggette and jackson. More excited now than ever for this team. go MJ
Posted by: nickjames | Jun 23, 2011 6:43:46 PM
Wait? What is that? Are you serious? Do I sense an actual plan???!!!
Seven years later, the team finally figures it out. JAX doesn't fit. He's too good and won't allow the team to tank next season.
High pick in 2012 and TONS of cap space in a loaded FA market that summer.
Sit back, relax and enjoy. This is how a contending team is built.
Posted by: ASChin | Jun 23, 2011 6:45:10 PM
This is what I took from the Cho interview last week. He said that the worst thing you can be in the NBA is just out of the playoffs. He also said you can't get better without lottery picks. Put those two statements together and you get this - you have to suck in order to get picks that will make you good.
Posted by: Authority | Jun 23, 2011 7:15:31 PM
this team is going to be horrible next year and corey maggettes contract is identical to jacksons. we are moving up to get tristan thompson when we just traded away our first round pick 2 years from now for a future pf named thomas. one of the top 5 worst teams in ppg and 3 pt% that past 4 years just got worse
Posted by: dunc | Jun 23, 2011 7:18:29 PM
Well, bobcats been sitting in mediocrity and traded their 2 best players, Wallace, Jackson . Now they will be a lottery team and have a chance to get better. Enjoy Bobcats fan.
Posted by: ZnGuy | Jun 23, 2011 7:18:45 PM
7 an 9. Seriously. How can you not like it. Finally rebuilding the right way. I will miss Jack, but by the time this team is ready to compete he would have been gone.
Posted by: Gary | Jun 23, 2011 7:37:33 PM
Love the move... It is time to rebuild and it looks as if Charlotte has a plan.... cant wait to see who we get.
Posted by: jc | Jun 23, 2011 7:39:31 PM
The thing I loved about Jackson is that he actually wanted to be here.
Posted by: Rev. C.F. Cleaver | Jun 23, 2011 7:43:37 PM
Initially I was excited at the headline but now I think it's a dumb trade. They flipped 3 of their 5 tradeable assets (Jackson, Livingston, and the 19 pick) to move up 12 slots in a bad draft. All we heard about coming into this was how picks 5-20 were all basically interchangeable. If they had done this for a pick next year in an incredible draft we'd be in better shape. Not only that but they take back the albatross contract of Maggette, who is a cancer and instantly ruins whatever camaraderie or commitment to defense the young picks might develop for Silas. Clearly they fell in love with Tristan Thompson but I'm not sure he's that much better than one of the Maurice brothers. Terrible move.
Posted by: sfinsf | Jun 23, 2011 7:47:26 PM
Sorry, Morris twins, not "Maurice" twins.
Posted by: sfinsf | Jun 23, 2011 7:53:51 PM
All of you whiners that want to keep Jackson, wake up! What has he ever done but complain and be the new "Gerald Wallace"? Trading for the 7th and 9th pick is a bold move for a franchise that needs to step it up. What we had was not working, get with it. We want a deep playoff run (ie Memphis, OKC) and we ain't gettin' there riding on Jackson's mediocre talent. Overpaid and overrated.
Posted by: Newnate | Jun 23, 2011 8:16:01 PM
Bismack Biyombo and Kemba Walker..interesting combination.
Posted by: BarelyCareAnymore | Jun 23, 2011 8:27:21 PM
I like what we did.....so far.
Posted by: tom P | Jun 23, 2011 8:37:30 PM
Biyombo and Walker, career backups. Whiffing on Brandon Knight will haunt us for 10 years. Reminds me of how I felt when they didn't take Brook Lopez, taking Augustin instead.
Posted by: sfinsf | Jun 23, 2011 8:37:32 PM
this organization is amazing. could have kept Steph Jack and added Klay Thompson at the 2 maybe a morris at the 19 and you end up with kemba while already having DJ and a guy that will avg 2 and 8. MJ your time has run out...
Posted by: newman | Jun 23, 2011 8:40:02 PM
We traded up for a 7th pick and took a guy who everyone calls the next Ben Wallace. We're talking Ben Wallace I mean we're talking Ben Wallace. Who the hell would waste a number 7 on Ben Wallace there are plenty of those guys around.
Posted by: True BBall Fan | Jun 23, 2011 8:44:17 PM
True BBall Fan....are you joking or what? I honestly think you must be because Ben Wallace was a 3 time defensive player of the year and anchored the defense that led the Pistons to 2 finals, and 1 title. I'd LOVE if he was the next Ben Wallace.
Posted by: tom P | Jun 23, 2011 8:49:03 PM
Who's going to score for this team???????
Posted by: Chris G. | Jun 23, 2011 8:58:02 PM
Nobody! That is the point! We are going to suck this year! And then next year we will have a top pick in a draft loaded with stars!
Posted by: tom P | Jun 23, 2011 9:12:10 PM
The Nike Hoops summit vid of Bismack is crazy impressive...I do worry about foul trouble with him but he looks like a total beast.
Posted by: Brian | Jun 23, 2011 9:13:05 PM
Let's see right now, our center is Segana Diop LOL !
Posted by: chris in union county | Jun 23, 2011 10:17:01 PM
Bismark will be a center in this league.
The reason this deal was tough to swallow is that maggette has played far worse than jack over the past few years and because jack had reportedly gotten in the best shape of his life.
Nobody thought walker would make it to 9th either. NOW it looks great. If we had ended up with Thompson and singleton it would look different.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2011 10:58:12 PM
Bobcats just stole the best 2 players in the draft. Wish we could trade blind fans. Weve now fully washed our hands from the mess Jordan bought into. Kemba is a posterboy, will thrill, and open up for dj, heathy Thomas and henderson, throw Money at gasol in fa, Bring in Greg smith and skeen. Great night tonight
Posted by: Dk | Jun 24, 2011 12:26:01 AM
I'm a Bucks fan living in Milwaukee. I can tell you right now that Corey Maggette is a cancer. He is capable of scoring 20 points a night, including 8 from the foul line, but he's disrupted team chemistry everywhere he went and Milwaukee was no exception. Just watch his body language and how he interact with his teammates - especially before games. If he seems sorta distant and on his own, just know that things aren't working behind the scenes and the Bobcats will look to move him sooner than later.
Posted by: Cheezehead 4 Life | Jun 26, 2011 12:00:52 AM
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