January 19, 2012
Charlotte Bobcats' glut of power forwards
There seemed to be a lot of questions among the fan base after coach Paul Silas chose not to play D.J. White in Orlando, one game after White made seven of nine shots for 15 points Monday against the Cleveland Cavaliers.
First, Silas was not expressing displeasure with White's performance. Second, these things are going to happen until something changes regarding the glut at power forward.
Silas said before the Magic game that rookie Bismack Biyombo would play a lot because he demonstrated in the first matchup with Orlando that he could stand up to Dwight Howard physically. It played out as Silas predicted. Biyombo had his best game to date -- 10 points and 11 rebounds, 5-of-5 from the field -- so Silas used him 21 minutes.
That left White out of the rotation.
Now, of course you can ask, "If Tyrus Thomas shot 2-of-10 and grabbed two rebounds in 28 minutes, why didn't Thomas sit in favor of White?'' That's a legitimate question and one I posed after the game.
Silas said he's trying to show patience with Thomas, who went through a sprained ankle, then was switched back-and-forth between small and power forward.
That might all be true, but it's more complicated than that: Thomas has a guaranteed contract that pays him an average of $8.6 million each of the next three seasons. That makes it an imperative to play him and develop him. If not, then they'd need to trade him.
From the opening of training camp, it was obvious the Bobcats had a slew of power forwards and needs at center and maybe small forward. White became a pleasant surprise, earning minutes and starts in Thomas' absence. Now, the Bobcats would like to extend White's contract.
Silas is going to mix-and-match Thomas, White and Biyombo, relative to who the Bobcats are playing. That means Biyombo not playing at all against Cleveland and having a featured role against the Magic.
Posted by Observer Sports on January 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM | Permalink
Why must we continue to play Bismack at power forward? He showed that he can compete with the best center in the NBA at the 5, so why not play him at the 5 so we can have DJ white and tyrus at the 4?
Posted by: Drew | Jan 19, 2012 11:00:52 AM
drew makes a good point. If we are willing to play boris at the center who is also 6'9 why wouldnt we play BB there?
Posted by: zach | Jan 19, 2012 12:13:43 PM
This team has gone through roster changes since it was formed with no impact on games. Coach Brown came and traded for Tyson, Diop, Jackson, etc to toughen up the team's defense to no avail. The surprised to me of this team is Mullen, the guy acquired from the Thunder. The coaches need to continue working with him to sharpen his toughness on defense and rebounding, areas he showed some weaknesses. White is a better player, but he needs consistency on the floor. Tyrus Thomas, Mark Carroll and Diop are complete disappointment to this team. I am not sure why Derick Brown was resigned instead of Dante Cunningham, but I guessed where there are no qualified, the available becomes the qualified.
Rebuilding! This phrase has often been used by Jordan and his Front Office Staff, but how long when the Front Office is content to signed mediocre players instead of real talents. Why was Higgins signed on this team? Is there not a controversy for a manager of basketball operation to advocate the signing of his son when he has no talents......there were guys in training camp who proved to be better than him, but again, the syndrome of "who knows you played here."
Biyambo will be a great player, and need a lot of work....I wish Oakley who sharpened Kwamme Brown skills to get a fat contract with Golden State was still part of the coaching staff to help this guy. Kemba Walker has potentials, but again, this team shouldn't give big contact to players because of potentials....Tyrus Thomas proved to be a disappointment in this regard. May be the coaching staff need to toughen things for themselves instead of just blaming the players.
How long will we wait for the rebuilding of the Charlotte Bobcat?
Posted by: Bobcat | Jan 19, 2012 12:16:35 PM
more like they are playing t.thomas for trade, which is needed. think we can work out a trade for c.kamon(noh) or g.odem?(port)
Posted by: 336nda704 | Jan 19, 2012 12:18:51 PM
why would anyone in the world want greg odom? the guy has been nothing but hurt(haha butt hurt) his whole career. including this season. Sean may was more dependable than him.
Posted by: zach | Jan 19, 2012 12:22:21 PM
Kaman would be a nice addition. Oden stays hurt WAY TOO MUCH. There is enough dead wood on this team as it is.
Posted by: JMix | Jan 19, 2012 12:28:11 PM
Glad you finally mentioned the money Thomas is making. Before TT came back Silas said TT would have to earn his playing time b/c White was playing so well. The 2nd game Thomas came back he was in for the majority and White wasn't. It was clear the front office was calling the shots and that's fine. It is just right now DJ White is more aggressive on both ends of the court. Thomas just isn't there yet. Not playing White last game was a mistake. We found something here and we aren't using it. Only the Bobcats would do this
Posted by: bdubb | Jan 19, 2012 12:31:28 PM
just saying for the right pay odom would be a great kwamme brown project.
Posted by: 336nda704 | Jan 19, 2012 12:32:38 PM
If we could package Tyrus Thomas and Boris Diaw to a team that needs a small, thin power forward and a very slow non-shooting third string point guard, maybe we could get an average Cnter and move Mullen to Power Forward. Then use Bismak as a substitute power forward and substitute center...see where he fits best.
Posted by: Ron R | Jan 19, 2012 12:42:41 PM
maybe we could packaged diop and matt carroll in the deal as well since we are wishful thinking.
Posted by: zach | Jan 19, 2012 12:45:53 PM
Well the rumor is Boris is on the trade block. However, i believe any trades take place Dj augustin will be involved and that because he is the only person proven to be worth value. I do see a move coming and it could be a price give up two player for a first around draft pick.
Posted by: dluckey | Jan 19, 2012 12:56:32 PM
Celtics are trying to trade the Big 3 for younger talent. I say we try for Garnett and give up Boris and TT.
Posted by: Matt | Jan 19, 2012 1:18:36 PM
Here's a problem i see!! why does the bobcats always double down on defense....in a close game....and leave a hot 3 point shooter by himself...I'd rather foul a poor free throw shooter than leave a man open who shoots better behind the arc...than the center shoots foul shots....Just my view of things..
Posted by: anthony | Jan 19, 2012 2:05:56 PM
Tyrus Thomas has some kind of wasting disease. Every time I see him he's skinnier and more fragile.
Posted by: apauldds | Jan 19, 2012 2:46:26 PM
I believe Biyomba is the future PF of this team and Charlotte should trade DJ Augustine and Thomas to New Orleans for Greivis Vasquez, Carl Landry's expiring $9 million dollar contract and one of their 1st round picks. They also should draft Harrison Barnes in the upcoming draft!
Posted by: Larry | Jan 19, 2012 2:56:47 PM
Or, send Augustin, Thomas and Diop to New Orleans for Okafor, Jarrett Jack and one of their 1st rd. pks. Next years team would look like this:
kemba, jack, higgins
henderson, williams, carroll
(barnes), maggette, brown
biyombo, white, (draft pk)
We'd need Okafor's salary for cap requirements.
Posted by: Larry | Jan 19, 2012 3:36:17 PM
Problem solved! Biyombo will be played as a center from now on. Drew hit the nail on the head:
Posted by: Newsinz | Jan 19, 2012 3:37:00 PM
Drafting Barnes if we have the first pick would be a mistake. The kid doesn't have the killer instict a star guy should have. I'd much rather have Davis from kentucky or Drummond from uconn. I think the bobcats tried the whole draft carolina players to sell tickets thing and we all know how that turned out...We need a big man in the worst way.
Posted by: charlottenc28 | Jan 19, 2012 3:58:25 PM
The East is so weak that this team may have a shot at the number 8 spot! Good-bye lottery pick! Silas will be fired for making playoffs! Team will be dismantled for making playoffs!
Posted by: joe cool | Jan 19, 2012 4:11:22 PM
We dont need to trade anybody but it would be nice to get rid of maggette or thomas or really even boris at this point. Its clear boris and silas wont work so they can go ahead and give him away for a draft pick if it can be had.
All we have to do is keep everybody, resign everybody and let these young kids grow up. Mullens bismack d.w., augustin, hendo, walker, brown, all these dudes prob even reggie williams are all great young players.
On mullens and bismack, show me the 19 and 22 year olds better. I'd take mullens and biyombo over davis and drummond. And davis is better prospect than barnes.....drummond MIGHT be. But thats pick one and pick two and odds are.....we pick 3 through 6. At which point, we're looking at barnes, sullinger, one of the top foreign prospects (which are nothing like this past years depth wise) and anybody else is either a late bloomer over the next few weeks or a horrible pick.
Barnes isnt the killer than kobe is. But who is? he also isnt the frog lebron is. He's NOT bad in the clutch and he IS A legit leading scorer at the 3 and will only get better every year.
If they keep this core and add barnes, we will compete for a LONG Time. Mullens 22. Bismack 19 asterick. Augustin 24. Walker 22 in may. Derrick brown 24. D.j. white 25. Hendo 24. Thomas 25. Williams is 25. And barnes will be 20 in may.
8 man rotation that we can keep under the tax and be a playoff team for 10 years. Guaran effing teed. Continuity mfers.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 19, 2012 7:14:51 PM
A Harrison Barnes comparison I'm hearing lately is Glen Rice. I think Barnes will be a little bulkier/stronger.
Posted by: DeLaQuest | Jan 20, 2012 1:16:26 AM
Hes not the shooter rice was, i think jamal mashburn or glenn robinson is more accurate but he is definitely capable of being that good or better. When people watch him play this year, you have to keep in mind that team is stacked and williams wont play him 35 mpg like any other coach would. But he's still scoring more points per game than almost all of the underclassmen prospects.
People doubting him have to remember that guys like durant, jordan, whoever....all had bad games and lost games at the college level.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 20, 2012 9:59:48 AM
Appluads...i agree...said the same thing a few weeks ago...look at TT when he was with the Bulls and looks at him now...He's a shell of himself... looks like he's lost 100 lbs...why is no one is talking about it?
Posted by: Randomguy | Jan 20, 2012 3:34:03 PM
nobody drafts carolina guys to sell tickets. they draft carolina guys because they are the right prospect for their draft slot.
look around the league. they don't get drafted because they went to carolina. they go to carolina because they're good enough to get drafted. all those guys are mcdonald's all americans. check the pedigree.
may was a GREAT pick at 13. the guy was great when healthy his first 2 years. he got hurt. show me the list of nba players who have career highs of 32 points and 17 rebounds or better. it's not that long of a list. he's on it. he got hurt. he got out of shape. now he's in turkey. where he went to school was irrelevant. he would have been picked 14th or 15th if we didn't take him 13th.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 20, 2012 6:37:07 PM
You people should also see the problem of the bobcats comes from the top, your highness. They dont't know what they are doing well, and every move they made the last 2 years made the team worst. I have been following the team for 2 years and i can't blame the players at all.
Posted by: charlotteguest | Jan 21, 2012 11:34:31 AM
Not every move. Getting draft picks for wallace and moving jackson were both good moves. Getting d.j. white and mullens for next to nothing were good moves. Drafting walker and biyombo look to be good moves. Hiring silas looks to be a good move. Hiring cho might turn out to be the best move.
I'm prob the most critical of how poorly the team has been run since day one, but NOW they are starting to get it righted.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 21, 2012 12:41:32 PM
The Bobcats are on the cusp.
They are just one superstar away from mediocrity.
Posted by: Courtside | Jan 22, 2012 11:51:37 AM
Hey "Joe Cool," you should require a breathalizer test to sign onto your Observer account. "The East is so weak?" Are you DUMB!? Bobcats the 8 seed? Playoffs? (Jim Mora voice) Playoffs?! I'm just hoping we can win a game!
Posted by: Buckley | Jan 23, 2012 9:05:30 AM
Getting beat that cleanlyy by a very weak nets team should kill all doubt about a top 5 ping pong finish. Prob. Top 3.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 23, 2012 9:49:07 AM
Ignoring all of the nonsense that Silas is expousing about matchups and why he is playing someone or not playing someone, I believe he is testing their abilities at different positions and opposing player styles. This will help Cho and company know what to do as the season ends (Diaw, Thomas, Magette,Diop)and how they need to approach the draft and offseason. All this experimentation has a purpose and if we happen to win fine.
Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Jan 23, 2012 2:42:48 PM
this draft is going to be so critical to our future. i do not think drummond is the guy at all. davis is the number 1 pick I think hands down but if we aren't picking there.......i think it's barnes or sullinger. it's not looking likely we're picking outside of the top 5 so getting either barnes or sullinger should be automatic.
i think tyrus thomas is better suited at the 3. he can be gerald wallace, but he can't be chris webber. he can't be rasheed wallace. he can't be kevin love. but if he can be gerald wallace and rebound the way wallace did his last 2 years here? he might earn that contract. that would make up for mullens' slight rebounding deficiency (though still better than brook lopez who a lot of ignorant charlotte fans ballhug)
we could start augustin/henderson/barnes/thomas/mullens or we could start augustin/henderson/thomas/sullinger/mullens and be successful with the depth we currently have. i almost like the look of the sullinger lineup more. him adding range to his shot + shooting better %'s this year + the option to play tyrus at the 3......all looks very enticing.
either way with barnes or sullinger you can't go wrong but drummond doesn't look like a franchise guy. starting nba center, sure. but you wouldn't take roy hibbert with a top 5 pick would you? he's putting up deandre jordan type college numbers and while jordan is going to look VERY good playing with the talent around him.....jordan is not a franchise center worth the kind of money they are paying him. sullinger is getting more points rebounds and better %'s in the same amount of minutes. and the size difference isn't much. an inch and 10 pounds by the listed measurements. i'll take more skill for that difference. it's not like he's thabeet where dude is 7-3. in summation.......please don't draft drummond.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 24, 2012 11:26:43 AM
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