January 05, 2012
Post-game thoughts on win over Knicks
Some thoughts on the end of a four-game losing streak:
-- Boris Diaw doesn't like it when Paul Silas pushes his buttons, but it works so long as Silas doesn't overuse this tactic.
Last season there was a game when Diaw mysteriously stopped shooting, so Silas got on him. Diaw reacted with "OK, I'll shoot every time'' vibes, and that was actually what Silas wanted.
There will always be a certain tension between these two, as there should be to one extent or another between player and coach. Silas sees Diaw's gifts, and wants him to be more than he is. It's a tug-of-war.
-- I suspect Corey Maggette could be out for a while with a left hamstring injury. As soon as it happened, on a drive to the basket, Maggette started hopping like putting any weight on his left leg would be agonizing. He walked out of the locker room in considerable discomfort. MRI back in Charlotte. We'll see.
--Byron Mullens scored 16 points on those sweet jump shots, but what Silas loved were the five rebounds. Mullens will play as much as his willingness to rebound and defend is sustained. He's passed Gana Diop in the rotation, even if he's a most unorthodox 7-footer.
-- The Hawks absolutely embarrassed the Bobcats in that second preseason exhibition in Atlanta. It will be interesting to see if that has an effect on Friday at Time Warner Cable Arena.
Posted by Observer Sports on January 5, 2012 at 12:14 AM | Permalink
yesterday was a nightmare and really ruin my day.. but today, it made me crack a smile. slowly but surely. Hope bismack will understand box out and staying more aggressive, like a beast! He's been shove and leap to get the ball rather than staying in front of the opposing team. he's blocking shot is a thing to watch thou. Walker needs all the time. it dosnt cut it if he continues to be logging 13-17mins only per game. im not a coach so il leave that to Coach Silas. Maybe to keep him hungry for more for the next season or not. We'll have to see folks! The world is round.So is the ball and the rim.Anything CAN HAPPEN.
Posted by: arky | Jan 5, 2012 1:39:37 AM
They should've resigned Cunningham for back up. I knew Spaghette wouldn't last for a season. It's really sad and embarrassing when you have to provide motivation in order for player to earn his pay. I'm tired of this up and down business with Diaw. They need more consistency as a team in general. Good win for now, but they'll turn back into gentle Dr. Jeckyl soon. Really wish they would show Mr. Hyde a lot more.
Posted by: D.W.G. | Jan 5, 2012 2:10:11 AM
Good to see a win like this, even against a team (Knicks) with a lot of problems; I had said it could be a long season, with wins like this I'll have to take it back, and I like it; go Cats!
Posted by: DougMoe | Jan 5, 2012 2:25:23 AM
Silas is a good coach for this squad. He just bumped Diaw up the trade value chart 10 spaces. Let's strike while the value is there.
Posted by: sfinsf | Jan 5, 2012 4:13:57 AM
I would trade Maggette right now for a bag of fritos.
Posted by: apauldds | Jan 5, 2012 8:27:01 AM
Agree that Diaw is a frustrating talent that I hope we can trade soon. If he provided consistent production it would be a different story. Also stop playing him at the 5. Get Bismack in there so he can learn faster, backed by Mullens and Diop. Play Boris at the 4 to showcase his skills there until Tyrus can return. Frankly I'd trade both Boris and Tyrus for the right players.
Posted by: Bassman | Jan 5, 2012 8:33:59 AM
I was really worried that Augustin wasn't going to make it to the end of the game, given how the refs allowed the Knicks to clobber him at the end of the game. The Knicks showed poor character at the end of the game. The Bobcats were lucky Tyrus wasn't in the game, because he could have been goaded into a fight by the Knick thugs.
Posted by: Joe | Jan 5, 2012 9:04:29 AM
Very true Joe. Tyrus was about to get into it with some of the Knicks as it was.
Posted by: apauldds | Jan 5, 2012 9:27:18 AM
Honestly and truly Boris is good trade value, but they should keep Tyrus because he is a major talent when he is on the floor. The problem is this guy has been hurt, and Walker is a rookie people he hit some big shots. Hendo is going to be star in this league. BJ Mullens is as talented a center as they come, heck put him in at the starting center spot.
We do have a good core of young guys let's hope they keep this nucleus together. We just need a big dominant center in the middle or a few good shooters. O look Reggie Williams will be back soon. This team will be ok.
Posted by: tbird | Jan 5, 2012 10:21:56 AM
I would have loved to see Dante Cunningham in there at the end of the game instead of Derrick Brown. Good thing they didn't resign him.
Posted by: Kevin | Jan 5, 2012 10:31:31 AM
considering what a great win this was, i don't see how you can complain about minute distribution. we won. so they did it right. right?
i would love to see walker and biyombo get 20-22 minutes apiece. but DJ was playing great and walker starter 1 for 5. white and diaw and mullens were absolutely on fire. it happens.
and that was definitely a clean block on shumpert by biyombo. biz is gonna get himself 3 or 4 blocks a game mutombo style when he figures it out. and he's only 19. mutombo was 25 as a rookie. think about that ish. they need to bring in mutombo in the offseason to work with the kid.
walker played SOLID in his role. he got bailed out by mullens a couple of times as he holds the ball too long until the shot clock runs out and he took a few bad shots but most of his shots were good and love that he goes 2 for 3 late after starting 1 for 5. guys a gamer. beats the hell outta flip murray.
augustin.....what can you say....14/10/6 and no turns? and the guy easily should have been 4 of 8 or 9 from the field with about 24 points if they had given him a single foul. felton went through the same thing with the refs and the lack of respect the cats get. he goes to NY/Denver/Portland and gets those calls. DJ will have to earn them over the course of the next several years but when he finally gets them?! dude is gonna be nuts. i mean he was getting mauled out there. might wanna press charges. reach out to the battered point gaurds shelter or something.
dj white....solid 10 and 9 and got it on his own. almost nothing easy for this guy. blue collar game.
henderson went ape-ish. showing the range, showing the jumper (which we drafted him for right? oh wait we didn't? but it's good? oh. that's awesome) and dunking all over dudes too? he gets THIS not 10 of 13 but say...7 of 13 every night? we're going to win a lot.
mullens and diaw were just lights out. OKC is looking at kendrick perkins right now like "you better start earning that money big time" celtics are mad they didn't have OKC throw in mullens.
maggette being down for a while is a HUGE blessing given tyrus thomas is coming back. this should open up 24 minutes for thomas and 24 minutes for derrick brown for a little stretch. then when he comes back we should be ready to trade him for jamison (prayer).
we can't complain about the roster anymore. somehow they got it right. it was mostly by accident or good fortune but credit where credit is due. they didn't resign kwame but they go and get mullens on the cheap. they didn't resign cunningham but they go and bring back derrick brown. they brought in reggie williamsthey have everything they need except that high pick in next year's draft and that's coming in july. no moves needed except RETAINING EVERYBODY IN THE CORE. and i would even retain boris and matt carroll on the cheap and let them both play out their careers here as role players on a contender.
and throw boris in there as an absolute 1-5 wild card?! that is a sick roster. these dudes are all like 24. and we actually have the future cap room to retain all of em. the only big question mark is tyrus thomas or DJ white. i say you try and keep em both but it will be tough. bigs get hurt. and you need 12 guys.
you pencil in 5 mil for boris and the top 6 pick each and 2 mil for derrick brown and we're right around the expected cap for next year and well below the tax line with 13 guys. that's with white and augustin at the QO. you extend them and you might be adding on 3 or 4 million. Still well below the tax. if you let guys like boris go, you can't sign another free agent because we'll be too close to the cap. that's why they BETTER resign boris. (even better if they trade maggette for jamison)
then after next year we would be clearing something like 21.2 million from maggette/diop/carroll and another 2.5 from reggie williams
and you would assume carroll would resign for the minimum. williams wouldn't but shouldn't be much more (if we want to keep him which i expect).
so you have 21.2 million to spread out in raises (extensions adding to their existing QO's from 2012-13) for mullens, augustin, henderson and white. you figure 3 or 4 each and you still have a nice chunk available for walker and biyombo when it's their turn and ________ (barnes) when its his. derrick brown somewhere in the mix but he might already be somewhat locked up after this season.
the only thing that can eff this all up is augustin/white/brown/mullens/henderson playing themselves into huge offer sheets from other teams but i doubt more than 1 of them would command that. and we'd still have rights to match.
this is how atlanta, portland, okc, chicago, memphis, san antonio, now indiana, and essentially the clippers were all built.
THINGS LOOK GOOD. we just need the player to be named (barnes).
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 5, 2012 12:03:18 PM
Seriously? You just wrote that our current roster plus Harrison Barnes is a contender.
I'll set aside the Augustin/Walker/Somebody Else (Curry?) debate for a second, and point out that you have Byron Mullens as your starting center. This goes against your entire argument yesterday or needing good players off the bench.
Mullens is great a 2nd C off the bench. When running against a 2nd teams C or PF we will abuse them with his shot, but that kid is never going to stop a Howard or other low-post big body scorer.
Biyombo is a PF, and could be a starting PF is we can get enough offense from the other 4 starters.
Brown should be 3rd at a SF. I think I'd rather draft the UConn C ahead of Barnes, but lets assume we end up with Barnes. Put it a veteran SF like Maggette at the end of their career to run with the 2nd team.
This would be a better team:
I'll throw this out to fill in the C space. Augustin plus conditional 1st rd pick from Portland for Chandler. NY needs a veteran PG upgrade, and may be able to draft draw defenseive talent at the C. It may be the quickest way for them to compete
Bobcats would be legit next year with a young group, and adding Curry the following season, they are a contender.
Posted by: Chris | Jan 5, 2012 1:59:24 PM
I mean all I hear is Harrison Barnes, Cmon I know he is a heck of player but there are more guy draft picks like Jeremy Lamb-Uconn, Terrance Ross-Washington, Jared Sullinger-Ohio State, Anthony Davis-Kentucky, John Henson-North Carolina, Austin Rivers-Duke are u kidding me? These guys are chop liver, let's face it unless we finish third to last we may not have a good shot at Barnes in the draft. So there are other good players in the draft that are worth picking up which are definitely include Rivers and Sullinger. Some of u need to watch ncaa basketball instead of just north carolina tarheels. Bobcats also need to sign their current players to decent contracts so they won't walk. DJ(s), Tyrus, Hendo, Williams, Walker, Mullens, Bizmack hopefully he develops, are all keepers. Hey Dwight might even consider if he is not taken by February. Charlotte can build around these stars. But Charlottean I like Matt Carroll, I think Reggie Williams ousted his rotation. I just dont see where they have time for him to get in. All that being said the front office made some decent moves.
Posted by: tbird | Jan 5, 2012 2:04:50 PM
yeah I agree, it looks like that is a formula for... we may finally be on the right track. Well said.
Agustin- DBL. DBL. 0(zero) turnovers nice! And yes he should call his congressman or someone getting beat up that bad. Little disappointed no one rallied to help other than TT on sideline and wish I new what he said and to who. I loved that!
Just these guys played well, but seemed quiet not much talking going on(maybe just me). Guess compared to Knicks acting like a bunch of punks, Chandler to, it was quiet.
Diaw- could be a superstar in this league if wanted damn frustrating, but you know when he has a good sweat going we are winning every time. Just how damn smart he is , is why he can contibute nightly and be cruising. Watching Stoudemire(punk) swat at air last night when Boris did the reverse layup I laughed out loud, too funny!
Did everyone see the difference when Biyombo and mullens in together how it all changed for Chandler and Stoudemire, The future is looking bright.
Mullens just in by himself totally different, wasn't any easy scoring going on!
I won't gush anymore about Mullens saw him post up down low.
I was seriuosly frustrated after tuesday and sure more to come but, I like what I am seeing. Sure we are not going to shoot 55% every night.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jan 5, 2012 2:19:44 PM
Mine was going after charlotteans took me while to get finished.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jan 5, 2012 2:45:56 PM
chris - take note that all these guys are 24 and under. mullens is 23 in february. he might not be considered a legit starting center TODAY but in 4 years? are you kidding? the guy was a mcdonald's all american. check the pedigree. he got lost on a stacked young team and he got traded to slightly younger slightly less stacked team. biyombo could be a 4 or a 5 it's irrelevant. he's a big. we have 5 bigs and you need 5 bigs. i expect diaw to phase out and biyombo and mullens pick up those minutes.
and yes this roster plus barnes is a contender. not tomorrow. not immediately. but say.......barnes' third year? absolutely. it'll be a stacked cohesive roster with 8 or 9 guys in their prime with roles defined. that's the definition of ideal.
tbird - i absolutely hear you. don't disagree at all. i just think barnes is the absolute ideal fit for this team. augustin, henderson, barnes = davis, wesley, mashburn without the injuries. if that threesome had stayed healthy or been put together from the jump in mash's prime.......they would have been legit contenders for a long time. but they came up short. and imagine biyombo/mullens/thomas instead of elden campbell, p.j. brown, jamal magloire. i think that's definitely a potential upgrade up front.
i think lamb is the next best thing. i rate the guys barnes/sullinger/lamb but we really don't need another 4 unless we can draft sullinger and trade thomas or white for a legit 3. that wouldn't be a bad idea. i'm not expecting us to have the top 2 picks to grab drummond or davis. bigs always go higher just like quarterbacks do in football. they aren't always the best overall player but the position is harder to fill. we don't really need bigs, but i wouldn't pass on either of those guys if we had the top pick or 2.
after those 2 it's barnes/sullinger/lamb like i said. rivers and henson will be available later down. i don't think rivers is ready. he needs one more year just like barnes did but he's going to come out anyways i would imagine. he and lamb are both like 6'4 6'5 190 while barnes is 6'8 210. that's what we need.
henson and biyombo are too similar. henson is better TODAY but he's also a couple years older and with more experience. biyombo looks like freshman henson right now. i think he can be just as good if not have a better motor.
i just think barnes is the perfect fit for the makeup of this team right now.
dwight will NEVER consider the bobcats until we are already legit or convince somebody else to sign here first. it won't happen. ever. hell will freeze, thaw out and freeze again before he winds up here unless it's via trade at the end of his career. i don't see it.
we already have tyrus signed long term and i already touched on resigning hendo, augustin, white (?), and mullens as being key to all of this. and i say they keep carroll as a end of the bench guy incase henderson or williams get hurt. he's the ultimate professional, he's played most his career here, fan favorite, good veteran presence for this team. and he'll surely play here for cheap.
all these core guys and our coming draft pick are 25 and under. thomas is the oldest of the bunch and probably the most expendable thus far and he's a 1986'er. you keep those guys AND this coaching staff together for the next 3 or 4 years and stir in barnes.......we're gonna be legit. for a long time. if all that happens, we're talking low playoff seed or just missing the playoffs next year, mid playoff seed 13/14 and being a fixture in the eastern conference talk for years. that's the goal.
look at OKC, look at chicago, look at indiana, look at the clippers. it's happening if they don't eff it up.
basketball gods owe us barnes.
stern - i hear you, it's going to be a frustrating year but i can live with the losses to good teams where we play good and come up short. like the miami loss. i would actually prefer that happen EVERY SINGLE game this season to winning too many games and winding up with the 9th pick again.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 5, 2012 5:01:17 PM
Nice win for the Cats for sure. They actually stepped up and played some decent team D, which is often lacking. As far as Boris, he is just Derrick Coleman with a French accent. Unrealized potential is a cliche' in every business. I agree with those who want to seek a trade while the iron is hot. I am also sick of all this talk about having to earn calls. The rule should be the rule no matter what uniform you are wearing. It is frustrating to show up for games and watch the Cats have to play 5 on 8, night after night. I understand the refs are going to make honest mistakes here and there just like everyone else, but some of this stuff is just inexcusable. A couple of them need to be fired to send a message to the rest, but of course that will never happen because team ball was long ago sacrificed to the cult of star marketing. If someone had been injured at the end of the Knicks debacle, it would have been squarely on the refs for not taking control of the game. If you toss the thugs, they can't do a lot of damage from the bench.
Posted by: Claydog | Jan 6, 2012 6:22:25 AM
The problem is Dj. He walks the ball up court and kills the fastbreak unless theres an opening for him to take it all the way. Pass the ball up court on the break like the Celtics and Lakers do or get in the paint and set up your athletic finishers even if he can finish. This is the only way to really compete w the top teams.
Then on the half court sets, Dj must get in the paint, the paint i repeat and not shoot it but set his teamates up for easy buckets. His assists come from perimeter shots and not from inside the paint.
You will be shocked and amazed how dramatically the offense will improve if he truly thinks pass first .If not, trade him and make the rookie do this. Dj is an amazing talent and scorer, mind you but this team desparately needs a Chris Paul in the paint passing pt gd to get the great athletes going and scoring i.e. Thomas, hendo,white,brown and biz.
Kemba is a much better pure pt gd who will do this like the heats norris cole . Dj is a short ,talented combo shoot first never get n the paint n dish pt gd. Until this is corrected, the biggest problem, the cats will struggle mightily. Watch. Trade him to nyc.
Posted by: Ironman | Jan 6, 2012 6:27:22 AM
I like our guys, but we won't shoot a high enough percentage to win a lot of games this year. Our top 5 pick should be secure. We need it. While they are at it, we need to pick up another pick this year or some futures.
Posted by: Davis | Jan 6, 2012 6:27:55 AM
Maggete drives to the rack , makes big contact but gets hurt often. He takes very bad outside shots as he has no arc on his shot. Cunninham would have been a better choice by far.
Brown has no footwork and needs Dj or Kemba to get in the paint and let Brown finish w easy buckets. They wont do this. When thomas comes back , he needs passes to him n the paint to finish. Hendo , biz too. White somewhat.
KIDD,PAUL,RHONDO,NASH ,DERRON N BILLUPS ARE ALL GREAT BC THEY DISH IN THE PAINT. Mullens and white must play and play w in the offense unlike often injured Thomas.
Trade Thomas and shoot first,never in the paint , walking the ball up On the break Dj for Rhondo now. The back pt gd should never had been in the Jax trade. Boston will do it and Rhondo Will make this team go!!! Way more fastbreaks and in the paint easy buckets for our athletic guys. Hes bigger on defense too..
Posted by: Ironman | Jan 6, 2012 7:16:27 AM
Silas and his staff will be fired before the draft next year unless they force the pt gds to pass the ball, not walk the ball up the floor on breaks...And to dish in the paint on half ct sets...
Has silas forgotten how Boston did it for decades.??? Does he remember the great dishing pt gds that ran the breaks for Boston that got the ball in the paint to teamates???? Tiny Archibald. Jojo White. Bob Cousy. Even Dennis Johson.
The Cats lose 9 to 11 points a game bc of this. This is the only way to get more scoring out of your athletic players and to stop struggling on half ct sets. Both pt gds are too quick not to get in the paint but they shoot it. You know the great pt gds can do this but dont for the good of the team...
Rose lost and will lose in the playoffs until he dishes in the paint to his teamates. You have the same problem here. You could of had Norris Cole who dishes in the paint and saves the Heat.
Put your foot down or you will be fired. Jordan is single minded about winning now.
You know Mullens n diaw are your centers. White n biz are your power forwards.Trade oft injured Thomas and Dj for a real pt gd who passes in the lane first on half ct sets and breaks right now or you and your staff are gone.
Your team , will score more, hustle more,play better defense and not be pissed or demoralized when they see Dj and Kemba pass them up and shoot..You know what makes big men play. They want touches.!!!!
Posted by: Ironman | Jan 6, 2012 7:40:36 AM
Has anyone noticed recently there is poster of Dj quoting BIG THINGS ARE COMING. I just want to bring that out
Posted by: vinh | Jan 6, 2012 9:53:32 AM
ironman i think you're way off thinking that DJ is less pass-first than kemba. that just seems crazy backwards to me. neither one are putting up rondo type assists but then again....not really anybody is. DJ is getting a lot of assists in the pick and roll and he doesn't always shoot when he gets in the lane.
one of his best strengths is his ability to keep his head up and his dribble alive and pull it back out if nothing is there. the problem is we don't have that big finisher at the rim like a blake griffin or a tyson chandler or an amare or a javale mcgee or a josh smith. derrick brown is the closest thing, tyrus might be that when he gets back, mullens may develop that, boris is decent when he actually IS in the lane, but DJ doesn't have that option.
it's like blaming a QB for not throwing to the tight end more and he doesn't have a legit tight end.
and i have never in my life seen the guy hold the ball like you talk of. i'm not sure what games you watch but i watch walker have 4 or 5 possessions a game where the clock goes down to 5 or 6 seconds before a bad shot gets hoisted up. you don't see that with augustin. both are young and both will get better. ride it out.
augustin gets penetration and kicks out with the best and when guys make those shots he racks up assists. when they don't......he doesn't. but saying he doesn't move the ball well and set guys up just shows you don't watch the games.
and saying rose won't win in the playoffs is just ludicrous. the guy is already winning in the playoffs. its his 4th year in the league this year. and you wanna say NORRIS COLE IS A BETTER PASSING PG?! i point out that rose averaged 8 assists a game last year which i believe to of been in the top 10 in the league. maybe top 5. how about trying facts out for a change.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 6, 2012 10:28:45 AM
Hey Charlottean. I am glad you are patient enough to answer some of these clowns, beacuse I am not. What are some of these people watching? Dj probably needs to shoot more on this team if anything.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 6, 2012 1:14:03 PM
Don't waste your time you're replying to people who don't have a clue of what basketball is and what makes a good point guard.
Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Jan 6, 2012 1:19:32 PM
I know i waste my time. My problem is i'm addicted to nba basketball and specifically the local team. It's my vice. I spend way too much time trying to educate the masses but I feel as though it's necessary.
We have such a fairweather sports town and we've had some great teams here that have gone unsupported. great players and coaches that have been run off. this franchise in particular has completely effed up careers of several guys that could have been franchise players.
BUT NOW?! we actually have something to build on. we actually have 8 or 9 guys that can play and compete at this level for a long time. and they're all 25 and under. and we gotta get behind these guys. and stay behind them.
we actually have an owner of merit. as much as jordan has made critical mistakes over the years and is largely to blame for the delays of this franchise getting to this point.......he got us here finally. and there are far worse owners out there, bob johnson being one of the worst ever. slowly but surely things have improved in every aspect from ticket prices and flexibility, to customer service, arena food and beverages, coaching, player personnel, television broadcast, apparel, YOU NAME IT. they're improving big time.
loyalty. not fair weather bandwagoning........loyalty.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 6, 2012 2:12:26 PM
Charlottean, Skip, BBall Fan I have to agree with guys I don't quite see what Ironman has been watching. I think DJ is a good pg in this league and he has that sort of Felton mentality of attacking the hoop, but the kid can shoot. He should shoot like Charlottean mentioned there is no Blake, Chandler, even d. jordan, and howard. But he has been pretty good these days. Kemba has already shown flashes the rook will be ok. He is definitely a keeper for development, because I still believe he will have star quality in this league when he gets it.
Posted by: tbird | Jan 6, 2012 2:15:22 PM
Okay everyone just slow down, this is a short season and alot of players are out of shape. So if I was Paul Silas Id
KEMBA WALKER/REGGIE WILLIAMS/HEDO
GERALD HENDERSON/DERRICK BROWN/RW
TYRUS THOMAS/DJ WHITE/B.B
BYRON MULLENS/BISMACK BIYOMBO/DIOP
I SAY PUT THE YOUNG TALENT ON THE FLOOR
BENCH OR TRADE OFF THE VETERANS WHO ARE NOT
PRODUCING, BOTTOMLINE THE YOUNG TALENT IS PRODUCING AND SHOULD BE ENCOURGED WITH MORE PLAYING TIME. LOSE OR WIN PEOPLE WANNA SEE THESE YOUNG PLAYERS PLAY, THATS IS EXCITEMENT,
DIAW,CORY MAGGETTE,MATT CARROL.ED NEJERA ARE ALL WASHED UP AND NEED TO BE TRADED OR ANMESTY OFF THE SQUAD,
ID ONLY KEEP DIOP BECAUSE HE IS A 7 FOOTER AND A LEAGUE WITH A FEW BIG MEN
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Jan 7, 2012 3:13:55 PM
rashon, you don't understand how the amnesty clause works. stop talking. your mom made sandwiches with the crusts cut off, run along and enjoy them while watching cartoons.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 8, 2012 8:53:56 PM
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