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February 02, 2012

This is about talent, not about coaching

So, should the Charlotte Bobcats fire coach Paul Silas in the wake of a massive losing streak and a gigantic loss to the Portland Trail Blazers?

It would be handy. It would be validating to management and ownership. It would serve no purpose.

Silas isn’t the problem. This roster is the problem. They thought it could get by, be respectable in a bad Eastern Conference, and grant them a high pick. Instead, they’re one of the worst teams in NBA history: It’s the magic triple – lacking in talent, lacking in experience, injured at key positions.

The Observer had a sit-down with owner Michael Jordan before the season. I, and others in our group, kept asking him why he wouldn’t acknowledge this was a rebuilding year. He never relented. How silly. They got worse to get better. Except they’ve gotten dramatically worse to get better. Welcome to the world of deferred gratification.

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Comments

Rick I have to disagree with you if the Bobcats will fire Silas .It will send a message to the Fans that management and ownership is not going to tolerate a performance like the bobcats have played in tonight game.Also talent or not it will send message to player such as Boris Diaw that you either must pick up your play or you will be Gone

Posted by: john | Feb 2, 2012 1:48:45 AM

BORIS DIAW SHOULD OF BEEN GONE A LONG TIME AGO.....THEY NEED TO MAKE MOVES TO AT LEAST KEEP IT COMPETITIVE. Trade Augustine for a young player and mid to late first round pick.

Posted by: JP | Feb 2, 2012 2:47:25 AM

There is not one player on the bobcats that would be higher than 7th man (and that is being kind) on a playoff team. Regardless of the team that will end up being 8th in the east. This team is that bad. Wins are not important this season. Wins are not important next season. Wins will be important 2013-2014 as this team should be fighting for a playoff spot. Fans are not going to show up for a team that consistently win 45% (37 wins a season) of the games. The NBA is based on being lucky, when you are bad. Luck being, that a superstar talent is able to come in change the culture. The last thing the Bobcats need is to become Golden State, a team that is consistently bad but not bade enough to be at the top of the lottery.

Posted by: Dan | Feb 2, 2012 2:59:41 AM

Boris diaw is gone anyway!!!!!!!

Posted by: mrflamboyant | Feb 2, 2012 3:15:45 AM

I think this is even more telling of how valuable augustin really is, and to a lesser extent diaw as well. We were losing games, but closely when those 2 were on the floor a lot.

We havent been close in any of the games since augustin went out except the game against the wizards with kembas triple double. I mean i am seeing a ton of proof in this pudding.

This has nothing to do with coaching staff. We had a horrible team BEFORE guys started missing extended time. And you cant mold a team this young without playoff time. You could put this exact roster on the floor next year with the same exact coaching staff after a normal offseason, pre season and with normal practice schedule and the team would be heavily improved. Not winning a ton but more.

And stirring in that top pick will help as well.

But these guys are so inexperienced for there to be any expectations. Startin augustin/henderson/maggette/white/diaw is completely different from starting walker/carroll/thomas/diaw/diop.

I am all for losing to get a top 5 pick but losing big everynight is excessive. And i know walker is a rookie but augustin never looked this bad as a rookie.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 2, 2012 3:20:43 AM

"And i know walker is a rookie but augustin never looked this bad as a rookie."

...maybe DJ having a coach that ran plays and much more talent surrounding him had something to do with that.

I have to admit tho...Silas' new play of bringing the C (Gana, Mullens, Bismack) at the top of the circle to direct the passing is pure genius.

Posted by: spectre | Feb 2, 2012 4:29:56 AM

We were 3-15 with dj running the show, with all our players except maggette. Kemba hasn't had a full roster (don't laugh), yet. He's played well in flashes and bad at times (he's a rookie). Tough to put this on him with the roster as it is now. We have nobody who can shoot. All our players are athetic guys who just can't shoot. I too disagree about silas, I think he's done a horrible job managing this roster. And some of his "we just don't have the talent" comments, I'm sure is great for our young teams confidence. Its always great to hear your head coach dog you in the paper or on tv.

Posted by: j | Feb 2, 2012 6:38:13 AM

Man please, you guys have got to be kidding me. Paul Silas has proven to be a good coach in this league, and there's no way they'll fire him for this. If anything, I'm surprised he hasn't resigned. It's only his love for Charlotte that has kept him here this long.

As a coach, you have had your projected starting lineup together for how many - maybe 5 games all season? You've had injury after injury, you're starting a rookie point guard who was a volume scorer in college, and you've got a lot of guys who's never asked to be the man to come in and be men against proven NBA players night in and night out.

I'm a season ticket holder and been a fan for a long time. I wouldn't blame Silas for walking away. But after you keep getting beat over and over by 30 points, what do you really expect Silas to say? You can't keep blowing smoke but for so long.

The saying is so true - you can't make chicken soup out of chicken s*** and that's what most of our roster is right now.

Posted by: Matt | Feb 2, 2012 7:04:30 AM

LOL. Augustin would not make a difference if he were playing. He scores 20 plus points in games and they still lose.
Way to give Silas a free ride. I absolutely, totally disagree with you that Silas is not the problem. His coaching staff is the most pathetic I have ever seen. They don't teach guys techniques, they don't make adjustments, they make ridiculous line up choices, they are not developing these guys. This team just goes through the motions and that's a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
I guess you thought the Panthers should have kept John Fox too huh?

Posted by: D.W.G. | Feb 2, 2012 7:05:04 AM

The Bobcats are almost impossible to watch now. We all knew this team wouldn't be a stellar playoff contender, but with players like Tyrus Thomas, Boris Diaw & Gana Diop making outrageous salaries and underachieving is a shame. I do not see how any playoff contender would pick up any of these guys, if or when the Bobcats let them walk. I could understand if the Bobcats were losing with an extremely young team void of any experience, but these guys have been in the NBA for years. When Najera & Carroll give more fight & effort than the highest paid players, you have a problem. Tyrus has made it in the NBA on potential & athleticism alone. We all had high hopes for him when the Cats acquired him, but now we see why the Bulls let him go. Needless to say, I am going to still watch & support this team, but they need to start giving the minutes to players who show the passion, effort & desire to to play.

Posted by: WC Alumni | Feb 2, 2012 7:05:29 AM

And to this "charlottean" guy. You always post the longest most uninformative crap on here. Always giving this sorry team an excuse. These guys are not young and they are not inexperienced. Diaw, Diop, Carroll, Maggette, Williams, Thomas, Mullens, White, Augustin, Higgins, all have been in the NBA for three years or more now.
This management continues to make bone head draft choices and horrible player decisions. This roster is composed of guys MJ and his staff brought in. No one to blame but them. The coaches job is to get the most out of the players and Silas is not doing that. The longer he stays the more it shows management doesn't care, so why should we? They make millions win or lose, so honestly who cares? lol

Posted by: D.W.G. | Feb 2, 2012 7:15:20 AM

Watching Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace last night was painful. I'm happy those guys are having success but I can't help thinking woulda coulda shoulda.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 2, 2012 7:47:29 AM

Tough being a fan right now. The product sucks, plain and simple. Going to a game or watching on TV has no joy whatsoever. When I watch my team play, it is to support them, and enjoy them, not their opponent. At this rate, we couldn't beat the Washington Generals, wouldn't make the Observer's sweet 16, though a game against the horrible, sorry, pathetic Charlotte 49ers would probably be competitive but very boring! What is up with Tyrus, looks like he is "sick"

Posted by: bobcants | Feb 2, 2012 8:08:29 AM

I WAS a season ticket holder since day one. Once they gave up Wallace and made several other ridiculous trades last year I gave my tickets up. I'm glad I did. This team is impossible to watch and management is CLUELESS about building a winner. As fans, we have been hearing 'we are building for the future' for years. At some point the future has to get here. This is embarrassing. How is it possible that attendance is UP this year? Stay home, save your money.

Posted by: SteveS | Feb 2, 2012 8:19:35 AM

What gets me is why do the Bobcats have to get so bad to get good? Countless teams in pro sports never truly bottom out. If a franchise is run properly then it should never fall much below .500 and that's even when rebuilding.

Posted by: sportsexpert | Feb 2, 2012 8:38:18 AM

we need to trade diaw to washington for thier 1st rd pick.. that would give us the #1 and #2.. trade diop and tyrus as a package deal to somebody like the miami heat for thier late first rd pick.. Hendo is the only person on this team who can play.. def the worse roster in nba history.

Posted by: wall12 | Feb 2, 2012 8:50:13 AM

This team is sad. Like others have mentioned, the Bobcats best players wouldn't be starters on ANY other NBA team, and that's sad. These guys are the NBA equivalent of a NCAA DII school playing the big boys in DI. Like Kentucky Wesleyan taking on Kentucky.

Posted by: Curry | Feb 2, 2012 8:54:05 AM

I believe the "BLOW IT UP" strategy was good, but perhaps overdone. Not sure trading Wallace was wise, but it got us an extra pick. We wasted some of that value by not matching the offer to Dante Cunningham (poor decision). The trade of Jackson was a better one, but I wonder if we should have just hung on and let his contract run out (like we are with Doris Meow), gain cap space and gone after free agents. Our draft picks were questionable. Biz has a lot of potential but I do not see him morphing into a star. Kemba lit up MJ's eyes but his skill set and physical limitations are too limited to be anything but a 6th man. Hopefully we get the 1st pick, as that should guarantee at least a chance at top talent.

Posted by: Bassman | Feb 2, 2012 9:03:22 AM

Silas is truly the brightest spot on this team. The gulf between Sam Vincent (who MJ brought in) and Silas is like the Grand Canyon. It is sad that he is stuck with this roster. Defenders keep talking about getting one of the top 3 picks next year. I just remember Ajinca, Hollins, Felton, Morrison, Okafor, May. First, one player is not going to turn this team around and the track record in draft picks is lousy. Can the Charlotte fan base be patient for 3 more years of more "rebuilding?"

Posted by: Tarheel Fan | Feb 2, 2012 9:04:07 AM

If you think for one minute that Silas and his coaching staff are not teaching of making adjustments,you are out of your mind!60% of these players are spoiled, don't work hard and should give all of their salaries back for disrespecting the fans of basketball for playing the game like they do! In all of sports, i have never seen a coach go out and play, but get ALL of the blame! C'mone people! See it for what it is. The Bobcats have a roster full of other teams problems, that were given to them by teams that knew what they were sending out the door.Players need to MAN up and play the game they once loved and played for free! That 3million dollar paycheck has made them lazy!

Posted by: Vocalist | Feb 2, 2012 9:08:10 AM

In the NBA, for a small market team, you MUST get worse to get better. It is a fact. Look at the small market teams doing well now.

Pacers - 32-50 in 09-10, now one of the top 4 teams in the East.

Grizzlies - 24-58 in 08-09, went to Western conf finals last year.

Thunder - 23-59 in 08-09, now best team in the West

Blazers - 21-61 in 05-06, now a perrenial contender

Timberwolves - well, they have been terrible for a while, but are slowly starting to put it all together.

This is the NBA, if you are not a big market team and can't play in the big free agent or trade market, which everyone here is kidding themselves if they think the Bobcats can, then you have to get worse.

Now, this requires good drafting and thrifty signing of veterans. Rich Cho is supposed to be great, so let's see him do work.

Posted by: Mike | Feb 2, 2012 9:14:53 AM

Don't fire Silas. He has got no talent to work with as we are easily the least talented team in the NBA. Guys like Diop, Diaw, Carroll, C Higgins among others should not be seeing the court for as bad as they are and I feel bad for Silas that he has to play them.

For a small market team you can only get by with good draft picks and the hope that those good draft picks will stick around. Gotta start drafting well b/c you can be depending on free agency

Posted by: EP | Feb 2, 2012 9:25:42 AM

Poor Silas was sullen, slumped on a chair looking like a man who knew he was about to be convicted for a crime he did not commit. "I would say this," Silas began, slowly embarking on the type of mental game that coaches of basement-dwelling teams must play in order to grind through the motions. "You take three top players off of anyone's team, and they're not going to do well. And that's the only way I look at it. I don't have a full squad. If I had a full squad and we were losing this way, it would be awful." Blazers Edge

Posted by: moboythunder | Feb 2, 2012 9:37:35 AM

This team has been up and down but mostly down since becoming a franchise...... Paul Silas was dealt a bad deck of cards when he took over this lousy team. I blame MJ as always and mgmt for the decision being made especially when they traded Wallace for essentially nothing!!!! Either some drastic changes need to happen at the end of the season or this franchise needs to fold and fold fast. Its ridiculious to always be the laughing stock of professional sports!!! Like some citizens of Charlotte, Im sick of it myself! MJ needs to man up or get out of town b/c right now as a business man he absolutely has NO clue! At least thats what he's showing the NBA world right now, a great NBA all time player YES!!! Running a team, aaaaaaah NO!!!!!!!

Posted by: Digusted! | Feb 2, 2012 9:46:45 AM

Tarheel Fan: It's the other way around. MJ brought Vincent in.

Posted by: apauldds | Feb 2, 2012 9:46:50 AM

Did not read too many comments or watch past halftime guess being west coast helps that.. Anyway not going to rant as I said I was done with that this season.

This is embarrassing and the fact we could be this bad right now and not get the the 1st pick, talk about salt in wound! They need to spot us 10 more ping pong balls.

Bright side is we are playing Pheonix Sat. and you know Boris will put up 20 to 25 with a little help we might keep it close to halftime.

I know we don't need to trade to get worse later ,but something at this point, I don't know what that would be, Not DJ!

Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Feb 2, 2012 9:51:45 AM

What exactly do they pay Rod Higgins to do? If they were really serious, they would fire that guy. You cant find anyone better than your own son?

Posted by: Skip | Feb 2, 2012 9:59:10 AM

the season was over when they put higgen on the team. lets face it he is on the team bc of his dad. which tells me the fan, we not putting much effort in this team so we goin to use family member to fill in holes on the roster

Posted by: 336nda704 | Feb 2, 2012 10:06:01 AM

Silas is a good coach, who had some success when the Hornets had Eddie Jones, PJ Brown, Elden Campbell, etc. I just feel that he isn't great when it comes to teaching rookies and/or young inexperienced talent. He works wonders with veteran. That's it. This team isn't built for Silas to be successful... even Larry Brown is the same way.

Posted by: Mark | Feb 2, 2012 10:14:47 AM

Rick you do a great job cover sports in charlotte but we need you to go deeper & get some answers to why bobcats mgt keep giving us the fans sub par teams. better yet get someone from mgt to get on here and explain the mess they created. i was so happy for GW last nite i think i became a portland fan. think its time to call for mj to step down or sale....that serious he is no help & all about filling his pockets. i guess his $300 pair of shoes not making his pockets fat enough

Posted by: 336nda704 | Feb 2, 2012 10:54:36 AM

Do they really believe that 1 draft pick will make a difference?

Posted by: Courtside | Feb 2, 2012 10:56:14 AM

It will absolutely make a difference. Does your husband watch basketball?

Posted by: Buckley | Feb 2, 2012 11:02:01 AM

The roster sucks but that doesn't mean Silas should have no accountability. This team runs terrible offensive sets and come into every game looking totally unprepared. Silas has NEVER been a good coach, he had a few 40 win teams a decade ago. Cleveland was thrilled to fire him and nobody else gave him a call for 6 years. The only reason we picked him up is because he was the cheapest option by far and it somewhat appealed to all the Hornet lovers.

He was a nice change from Larry Brown and that bought him a year of love from most of us but eventually the coach needs to have some accountability. Especially for the terrible lineups he uses and the most predictable sets that fail to open shots up for anyone. I watch most of the games but I'm only somewhat savvy and even I know by now what plays they are going to run within 3 seconds of the offense being initiated. NBA coaches can tear that apart with ease

Posted by: CATS | Feb 2, 2012 11:05:00 AM

ENJOYING this blog today

Posted by: JC | Feb 2, 2012 11:12:07 AM

I really think BOBCATS have screwed theirselves until some of these SORTA vets come off the payroll, but MJ can keep pipedreaming the way the NBA is now.. Stars are about $$$, I remember everybody who almost busted a gut, over CP3 is coming to Charlotte because he knows MJ....CHILD PLEASE

Posted by: JC | Feb 2, 2012 11:14:57 AM


Agree with Charlottean that the team is run better when DJ is palying. There is a lack of talent so it probably makes sense to keep Silas until we have a better nucleus, which hopefully is next season.

DWG Agree that Silas and staff are poor teachers. Some of the best teaching coaches were not the most naturally gifted players and had to learn every trick to survive at the pro level. It is rare to find a head coach who is a good teacher and a game coach. They key is to find a good head coach who handles the game well and surround him with good teaching coaches. Larry Brown was a great teacher just ask Chauncey Billups but they hated playing for him. Gerald & DJ's success is because of what he taught them. They would not have flourished with him on the bench.

Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Feb 2, 2012 11:21:25 AM

but when you have a team with only 3 scorer minded players, there are only so many plays you can run. on the court at one time we only have 1-2 scorer. not salis fault mgt took away his scorer & gave him maggette(by the way has not been a player since he left duke) & made him the star of the team.

Posted by: 336nda704 | Feb 2, 2012 11:27:31 AM

The Bobcats have neither!!!!!! They really suck!!! This team is history anyway! Please get this team out of Charlotte MJ.

Posted by: Who Cares | Feb 2, 2012 11:28:37 AM

I mean come on

"I don't have a full squad," Bobcats coach Paul Silas said. "That's the way I look at it. If I had a full squad and we were losing this way, it would be awful. But you take Aldridge and Wallace off their team and see what kind of team you'd have."

what kind of leader is that? what a joke. Larry Brown made similar excuses

Posted by: CATS | Feb 2, 2012 11:34:16 AM

Silas is right. If we would have had Maggette we would have beaten the Lakers and Portland by 30 points each.Didn't anyone see how great he played the first couple of games.It just isn't fair that we are the only team in the NBA that has injuries.

Posted by: BG | Feb 2, 2012 12:00:15 PM

Rick is 100% right here - Silas is not the problem. This roster just isn't good enough to compete right now, particularly with the injuries.

It's a tough deal for Bobcats fans to accept. People want a quick fix, like bringing in a new coach who can magically turn things around. But Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson couldn't win with this group.

The hard truth is that the Bobcats need to completely rebuild this roster and until they do, they are going to be a lousy team.

Posted by: Gso Cats Fan | Feb 2, 2012 12:06:52 PM

Coach Silas is the best thing that's happened to this team. If they let him go, I would be extremely disappointed. And, yes, I have season tickets.

For all we know, they have been instructed to play poorly, so that we get a better draft pick.

Yes, they need to make some roster changes to get better balance. Coach Silas isn't the problem.

Posted by: long | Feb 2, 2012 12:18:10 PM

Guys, just checking back in to give my annual dose of reality...

What you're seeing is a symptom of today's NBA. The new CBA didn't do much to fix it either. There are going to be a few teams each year with a legit chance at winning (ie - the cities where the star players have decided to meet and play together), and then you're going to have everyone else.

If you're in the 'everyone else' category (Charlotte), you have to lose, and lose big, to attain a few years of high draft picks. And then you have to hope you pick the right guys. If you get that draft right, then, and only then, can you be competitive. If you miss on the draft when you have your window (Okafor, Morrison, May, Felton ring a bell?) - then you start the cycle all over again.

We're in year 2 of a 4-5 year process. You unwind past mistakes (Diop, Diaw, Carroll, etc), and stockpile young talent and hope you strike gold. Cho, MJ, etc...they all knew perfectly well this team was going to be terrible. But that's the whole point, it's the only way to win in the long run.

Suck it up fans, these are the rules the NBA has put on the table, we have to play by them.

Posted by: BobsRealist | Feb 2, 2012 12:22:59 PM

I completely disagree. Sure, the talent isn't there, but the problem lies at the foundation of the organization. When you own a team, you take full responsibility of the teams successes and failures. It is sad that Jordan is too stubborn to realize the poor decisions he has made. Accepting responsibility would be a good place to begin if he wants to salvage the team and his reputation (if it isn't already too late. You can't expect a fan base to get behind a front office like the one Jordan is running.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 2, 2012 12:44:43 PM

BobsRealist said "We're in year 2 of a 4-5 year process."

Seems to me like we are in year 8 of an endless process. At some point we need to see results. I was not seeing any which is why I dropped my season tix.

I feel bad fo Silas....it's not his fault.

Posted by: SteveS | Feb 2, 2012 1:20:05 PM

Attention all draft experts! All players available are over rated garbage! Barnes is not turning pro! That was the Bobcats plan? Be bad, get average player with high draft pick and still be garbage! You got a guy from Portland and Golden State running your team! Really! Time to hire Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn to coach team! Time to get an identity, build players by coaching and set a foundation with discipline and hard work!

Posted by: joe cool | Feb 2, 2012 1:58:05 PM

Rick, take off the Augustin jersey and stop blaming Walker for every problem in this team. I love how you make a big deal when he struggles, but oh that triple double? Yeah let's not talk about that. It's one thing to be fair and it's another to show blatant bias toward certain players and against others. I've read you since '98 and have never seen you blame one player as much as you have Walker. And what's funny is you should be blaming Jordan, Thomas, Diaw and several others. But no, it's all Kemba's fault. Go ahead, blog about it for the 4th time.

Posted by: Bro Jackson | Feb 2, 2012 2:31:33 PM

Firing Silas would be a relief to Silas. This just isn't a good team. I wonder if there are still people thinking dismantling that playoff team was a good idea? Anyone else think hoping for a high draft pick is better than being a 7-8 seed in the playoffs?
Silas deserves better than this horrible team and it's Jordan's fault.

Posted by: David E Houston II | Feb 2, 2012 3:00:19 PM

Reading the blogs, Rich is right. Silas is not the problem. He may not be the best coach in the NBA, but with this talent what coach could win? The problem is with front office evaluation of talent. Again, I say you do not waste two top ten picks on 1) a player who will never be more than a sub off the bench (Walker) or 2) a player that takes minimum 3 years to develope (Byombo).Then you add to this Diop,Diaw, and Thomas. Half your team is already useless. Who in their right mind would trade for any of that garbage? The only players worth anything on the team are Augustine and Henderson. Its funny, the same people who want to trade them see no problem with the team's trade of Wallace, Felton, and Chandler. Get a grip!! We need bonafide ballplayers even if they are not superstars.The TEAM should always be better than the individual parts!

Posted by: Superguru | Feb 2, 2012 3:22:48 PM

Bro Jackson

I am not a Rick fan by any stretch but you need to take a RIF (Reading is Fundamental)course, he has never blamed Kemba for the Bobcats woes. His columns have been more about being realistic about what Kemba can be in the league (not a PG or SG more like a short combo).

Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Feb 2, 2012 3:36:01 PM

as long as jordan is running things youll never win. hes lazy, wont be around much, and his record since he stopped playing is basically losing wherever he is and whatever he does. except for playing bball hes never succeeded at anything. baseball, golf (he actually thought he could play on the senior tour) business, the wizards, now in charlotte. on top of all that hes a miserable human being. good luck to you.

Posted by: reemlo sead | Feb 2, 2012 3:40:21 PM

hello, jerry,

Posted by: reemlo sead | Feb 2, 2012 3:42:30 PM

I was a huge Hornet fan until trading LJ , Zo and ripping that team apart along with the mess created by Shinn and Woolridge. I gave the Bobcats a chance because they seemed to play hard and care and GW became by far my favorite NBA player and brought me back to the NBA , going to games and never missed a televised game. I knew the GW trade tore the heart out of the team and the draft picks have been a disaster. I knew this season there would be few wins. But the lack of passion to show up is stunning. This is worse then the Hornets or Bobcats first seasons. If this team get the #1 pick who becomes an impact player plus adding an impact free agent along with DJ , Henderson , Bismack and Kemba this team will be respectable. But unless that #1 pick turns into a Wade , Bron or Dirk caliber player they will be no closer to a championship then they were with GW.

Posted by: Kurt | Feb 2, 2012 4:26:33 PM

They should hire him because he doesn't to suffer like this in his latter years. It's like watching your Grandfather suffer, I feel bad for him.

Posted by: Chris G. | Feb 2, 2012 5:41:14 PM

The Hornets were not always the best- but at least they had great fan support! The Bobcats need to build a similar atmosphere in Charlotte, and with the right tools they can! Facebook search "Bobcats Go Green" to see a cool idea the Bobcats should follow in gaining more fan support and making a change in the community.

Posted by: Robert Katz | Feb 2, 2012 8:28:29 PM

d.w.g. not so sure you can refer to me as uninformed. you can disagree but try using facts next time.

mullens played in 26 games prior to this season. averaging 5 mpg. he's 22. experienced? you said higgins has at least 3 years experience? seriously dude?

white? he played in 66 games prior to this season. and most were 2nd half of the year last year for us. and he's what? 24 or 25?

diop and carroll aren't part of the core. they're only playing because other guys have been hurt. diop was the 4th string center on this team with no centers on the roster.

maggette has been out since what? game number 5 or 6 or something? come on man.

thomas is the most experienced and oldest of our core and he's 25. augustin next and he's what? 24?

you can't tell me that this team is experienced.


and coaching is judged on what you are able to do with what you are given. not based on what you were given. this team was projected to be bottom 10 in the league and then several guys have missed a ton of time so.....no surprise we're in last place. it's not like silas is disappointing all the expectations. sure you want the team to be better than getting blown out but i mean, this IS part of the process.


and yes john fox was/is a great coach. his record shows that. he had a GREAT record coaching the panthers up until they handed him that garbage team last year to go 2-14 with in his last year and he STILL finished a win above .500. that means a lot in a league where most coaches get 2 years and that's it. the guy has been a head coach for a decade now and that isn't on accident. jeff davidson, not so much but there's a big difference between giving fox jimmy clausen and giving him cam newton. the only years fox lost was when he had NO quarterback. either the year before he had delhomme or the years when he was out injured.

you do realize uninformed means without information right?

not once did i say augustin was winning games single handedly but we also weren't getting consistently blown out before he got hurt either. dude was better than walker in college, better than walker as a rookie. idiots like you just have new car syndrome. grass is always greener. dude is 24 and people like you are talking about how much better walker is when he's consistently proving that he's a 6th man at this level. a GOOD 6th man, but not a starting pg. augustin IS that. and will be for the next 10 years.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 2, 2012 8:59:49 PM

dj had a heckuva lot more talent around him his rookie year and he had a coach that ran plays. Also he had another PG who never missed games so he was never thrown into the fire like Kemba.

dj also had a couple of stinkers...you don't remember them?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=As6kSyaruoAZm6hVVZffHK7UPaB4?gid=2008111130

1 of 9/3 assists/4 TOs in 25 minutes

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AkCeNd3i7SNyxrD4g9envCnUPaB4?gid=2009041519

2 of 9/1 assist/2 TOs in 41 minutes

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AlHUvczvIm2L_7WQ5ILugWDUPaB4?gid=2009010215

2 of 11/4 assists/5 TOs in 31 minutes

He also had some very good games...but again, he had a lot more talent surrounding him.

This isn't to knock DJ, but to show that most rooks struggle on occasion trying to adjust to the NBA. Kemba is no different.

Posted by: spectre | Feb 3, 2012 6:09:05 AM

I had a very similar position that you're stating on DJ his rookie year (granted it was after more than 20 +/- games) and he showed that he could grow into a very good PG. IMO Kemba deserves at least a year or two before we can lock him into a 6th man role. DJ himself proved that.

Posted by: spectre | Feb 3, 2012 6:15:12 AM

I dont disagree. My main point i keep making is that dj is the same guy, just further along in development. Why would you give up on him for the new guy who scores more and passes less when we should be excited to keep them both. They're both under 25. We have the pg position covered.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 5, 2012 1:24:35 PM

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