March 13, 2012
Would trade push Stephen Curry further from Charlotte Bobcats?
Just a gut impression, but I feel whatever chance the Charlotte Bobcats had of signing Stephen Curry narrowed Tuesday with this Golden State Warriors-Milwaukee Bucks trade.
Among the key players, guard Monta Ellis becomes a Buck and center Andrew Bogut becomes a Warrior. Curry is too classy to ever say this, but that’s a switch that should make him very happy.
Back when former Davidson star Curry was a rookie, Ellis made the incredibly self-serving statement that Curry and he could never form a viable backcourt. He’s right that they’re too similar in size, but that’s not the point; in an effort to strike out at the front office, he savaged a rookie who had done him no harm.
Curry did the classy thing, shutting his mouth and writing this off as a learning experience. Now Ellis has effectively been exchanged for a great scoring center. Bogut is hurt a lot, but no one questions his ability. With Bogut and power forward David Lee around, Curry should have a ball running all sorts of pick-and-rolls going forward.
Curry would become a restricted free agent the summer of 2013 and – if he doesn’t sign a long-term deal – unrestricted the following summer.
There would obviously be some appeal to Curry in coming home; he’s already bought an off-season home in Waxhaw. But this trade has to make the Warriors that much more appealing. Beyond that, the Warriors’ new owners have deep pockets and are determined to become relevant in the Western Conference.
I have to believe a big contract extension is in the offing, and that Curry has good reason to sign it.
Posted by Observer Sports on March 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM | Permalink
Rick - What about Stephen's chronic right ankle? He's apparently hurt it yet again and has missed more games. He's sprained it so often there has to be some concern it will never again be stable enough for him to play a full season.
Posted by: Freddy | Mar 13, 2012 11:52:31 PM
I don't think it's any different. They aren't going to win now either. Not unless klay thompson turns out to be an absolute stud. they just gave up on udoh the 6th pick in last years draft to take on 8.7 million MORE in payroll for next year. they're at 55 million going to 8 players that aren't going to win them much. and they already wasted the amnesty on charlie bell. and they're going to have a top 10-12 pick in the draft to pay as well. so you're talking about not a lot of room for anything else unless they manage another deal before tomorrow to clear house more or less.
now if you're talking about an extremely motivated and happy and excited and STABLE stephen jackson and a healthy andrew bogut and a healthy stephen curry and a revitalized biedrins? yes they could win some games. but that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about jackson probably demanding a buyout. bogut odening the hell out of the next 3 years and curry having no reason what so ever to play through any minor ankle soreness. and biedrins going back to latvia.
if dude WANTS to play here. he can. he doesn't have to demand the trade, he can just wait. i'm not sure he's going to be worth the money he'll command though. they'll give him joe johnson money. you saw the offer sheet they gave deandre jordan. they effed up on that. now curry has leverage for the joe johnson money. THAT is what's keeping him from playing here. not bogut and jackson for ellis and udoh. the team got worse not better. and playing alongside ellis is STILL easier and better than playing alongside jackson. or having 20+ million in dead contracts this year and next.
if dude stays out there its because they throw him a huge number.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 12:38:06 AM
Like Stephen Curry's game, but too much money and bad ankle.... meh... no thanks.
This franchise has screwed up enough.. we finally have some reasons to hope (Biyombo, 2012 draft pick).. no need to throw it away now.
Posted by: Hi! I'm lil Wicky Bonnell, I pwesume! | Mar 14, 2012 2:01:11 AM
No need to be concerned about Steph Curry's status; he has NO interest in becoming a bumbling Bobcat. In fact, what player is out there right now saying, "I can't WAIT to sign with the Bobcats!" today, tomorrow, or in the near future?
People need to get their head out of their Clavin, because NBA players want no part of the Bobcats franchise. Players will come here because it is a job. No, Steph Curry is happier in San Francisco
Posted by: Jalen Rose | Mar 14, 2012 2:39:26 AM
These comments are correct. Players see the coaching staff here tolerates too much. Players. Constantly jack shots bc the cats run no offense.
How many low block pick and rolls do you see where the roller gets the ball. How many alley oops to the athletic players for easy buckets. How many back door cuts result in layups to the cutter. How many fastbreak buckets do the pt gds dish out versus them dribbling the ball up ct.
Mark jackson would not stand for this . The coaching staff here does. Its a culture that breeds ineffectiveness and stagnancy on the offensive end. Its one thing to be a small market team. Another to be one that tolerates jacked shot after jacked shot and the same not being changed from game to game. Who would ever want to come here with such a pitiful offense.
Posted by: Ironman | Mar 14, 2012 5:14:22 AM
^ You mad bro? This is a rebuilding year. Silas, his staff, and half of these players will be gone next year. Have patience young Bobcat "fans", Cho is in it for the long run and his process is going to work.
Posted by: D.W.G. | Mar 14, 2012 6:41:26 AM
The Bobcats roster needs to be blown up. I see the keepers as Augustin, Kemba, Biyombo, Maggette and Henderson. Everyone else can go.
Posted by: Bob Loblaw | Mar 14, 2012 9:06:56 AM
keep maggette? lol... I agree with blow the team up and form a young nucleus but I pray that maggette isn't a part of that process.. He just helped us get rid of jackson.
Posted by: zach | Mar 14, 2012 9:25:54 AM
Finally someone that knows ball. Maggette is not a keeper. He plays token defense ,never ever passes to teamates , not even when theyre wide open,jacks shots and is eventually dispuised by teamates for never passing everywhere he goes.
Yes im mad d.w.g. Even in a rebuilding yr,an offense should have incorporated fundamental plays to get easy buckets . Thomas,Brown Bismack and others are struggling bc they cant get easy buckets and the pt gds rarely dish in the paint as the top pt gds do regularly. The staff should demand that of our pt gds but dont. You cant be devoid of both a failure to dish in the paint and the above offensive fundamental plays too.
Posted by: Ironman | Mar 14, 2012 9:44:12 AM
I got a 3 team trade that could happen. Bobcats will get Carmelo Anthony..NY gets D. Howard..Orlando gets the Bobcats No. 1 pick..that's the meat of the trade..Other components can be added to make this deal work.
Posted by: Gmoney | Mar 14, 2012 9:45:19 AM
No thanks... Melo would never want to play here anyways. And Im starting to get excited about our big men being Anthony Davis Bizmack and Mullens
Posted by: zach | Mar 14, 2012 10:05:11 AM
@Bob Loblaw- The Bobcats roster needs to be blown up.<<<<< This hasn't been done already??
Posted by: therealjd | Mar 14, 2012 10:13:05 AM
this IS a blown up roster. that's why we're losing. they blew up the roster from 2 years ago.
the keepers are augustin, walker, henderson, biyombo, mullens, and derrick brown. and walker has way more trade value than he does keeping value but i would like to keep him to be our jason terry off the bench. he's ideal for that.
you take that EXACT same core and throw in 2 more lottery picks and we're contending in 2 years. derrick brown has gone from being an exciting young prospect without a role to a solid 3/4 hustle guy off the bench. i think najera has rubbed off on guy in the best possible way. i bet he even speaks spanish now.
if tyrus thomas could be saved into a legit backup 4, and we draft davis, we are looking like a really solid team next year.
yall have to remember we had a horrible team this year that had mostly never played together and mostly never played. guys like white and mullens and even henderson had never REALLY played a full season. then you factor in the injuries. we would have won more games, not a ton more, but more and its a good thing we didn't. top 4 pick guaranteed is way better than top 6 guaranteed. especially in this draft.
davis, biyombo and mullens on the same team would be like putting mutumbo, camby and rasheed on the same front court all prior to their prime and potentially during their prime. that is a dead serious comment. davis and biyombo are 19, mullens just turned 23.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 10:30:09 AM
You don't need Davis when you have Bizmack. Just like we don't need Thomas now. You need a scoring Big Man and that what Mullen can do. I say the Bobcats get Carmelo if that's possible or get H. Barnes/J. Lamb in the draft.
Posted by: Gmoney | Mar 14, 2012 11:37:57 AM
R u kidding me? Davis is a beast a big man that can score and shoot the ball. Put him in the mix with Biz because he is not the complete player like Davis is. Davis is a new version of Kevin Garnett. We need a player of his caliber. Now
Barnes is cool along with Sulliger. You guys will be amazed to see Thomas Robinson dominate in this league as well.
Posted by: tbird | Mar 14, 2012 11:50:20 AM
Why would you rather have melo? he plays for the knicks with a ton of talent and they still suck. Give me a young team that can grow togather with some TALENT in the paint
Posted by: zach | Mar 14, 2012 11:54:42 AM
More of the Observer Steph Curry Slurpfest. Makes anyone with sense want to vomit.
Posted by: Phil | Mar 14, 2012 12:19:49 PM
Bogut a "great scoring" center? Come on Rick, he's never averaged more than 16 ppg. He is a great defensive center.
Posted by: Ryan | Mar 14, 2012 12:25:45 PM
Odds are more on the side of barnes than davis, but davis will be the harder of the 2 to duplicate.
Saying you dont need davis because you have biyombo is like saying you dont need duncan because you have robinson. Even if you had duncan you still draft another duncan. By that logic we definitely didnt need walker.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 12:44:35 PM
Believe me, I'd rather not keep Maggette and ditch that contract.
And yes, the team needs to be blown up again. It's largely a team of overpaid role players and like it or not, Maggette is the only real starter this team has.
Charlotte's a small market compared to other cities and it's going to be tough to get marquee players to come here. Maybe it would be different if MJ would change the team's name and get rid of the Bob Johnson stigma. I'd be okay if they went back to Carolina Cougars.
Posted by: Bob Loblaw | Mar 14, 2012 1:22:31 PM
I agree with a lot that is being said about my Cats. Yes, we are lacking in premium or even high-midgrade talent. I look a this roster and don't see a top 60 player on it. We have some gerat complementary players, but the fact is that Charlotte is and always will be a small market team. If you look historically, we USED TO BE the OKC of the 80s and early 90s. I think we can attract talent, but coaching, management and leadership has to also progress along with the product on the floor. No drafting UNC players for promotions. No Friend of Michael hires. And no more BOBCATS. I follow both the Cats and the Bugs still, and drive from Durham to go to games. This name stinks, period. It is poor advertisment and marketing, and has a horrid stigma with players, causal fans and the community as a whole. Products are rebranded all the time. The BEST move for this team, beside a few buyouts of the overpaid, useless bodies on the bench would be a revamp of the team. Hornets, ideally, Flight would be cool, but there is some truth that Charlotte, no matter how much we are basketball fans, is not seen as an attractive avenue for the NBA.
Posted by: garsonthegreat | Mar 14, 2012 1:43:11 PM
nobody ever drafted UNC players for promotion. the chips fell where they did. enough. and if we don't get davis, barnes IS the next best pro prospect in the draft regardless of what people say about robinson or drummond. davis, then barnes, then sullinger.
as for blowing up the team again, there's nothing left to blow up. we have nobody on payroll past next year outside of our rookies and tyrus thomas. it's completely blown up. we could renounce walker and biyombo (key word COULD readers) and amnesty thomas and have zero payroll liability year after next.
as for not having top 60 talent on the roster......you could say that, but we also have all young'ns pre-prime. biyombo, mullens, augustin, henderson.......plus our next 2 draft picks.....and walker? and derrick brown? we have a really solid young nucleus. those are going to be top 100 guys all of em.
i always look at it by position. there are 30 teams in the league so you want top 30 guys at every position and at least one additional guy in the top 30. biyombo is already a top 30 center. augustin is a top 30 point guard. henderson is in the mix top 30 shooting guard when healthy. he will be nonetheless. mullens COULD be, but he isn't yet. walker is up there but not really a point guard or a 2. but he's in that range of talent. where we lack is at the 3 and the 4. we'll address one of those in the draft for sure. and probably have a top 10 guy at one of those positions.
we're going to be fine. great in fact. if we don't eff it up from here and everybody is just a bit patient. it's called rebuilding not re-effing it up all over again.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 2:11:14 PM
BOB you seriously concern me with your boner for spaghetti.
Posted by: gene parmesan | Mar 14, 2012 2:41:02 PM
1) Stephen Curry is a nice player but at this point you definitely need to be concerned about his durability. Take it from an older guy like me, once you start having ankle problems, you always have ankle problems--the ligaments just get stretched out and you just don't have the support there. It's likely that Curry will miss significant time the rest of his career recovering from ankle injuries.
2) Definitely you draft Davis. BB is a project center--he could pan out in few years, or he may never be more than a bench guy, which is what he is now. Besides, when in doubt, always take a skilled big man because other teams will always be looking for a skilled big man. Slashing wings are always available, therefore have less trade value. Point guards are the next most valuable players by position, but this team cannot spend another high draft pick at point with Walker and Augustin already here.
3) No one wants to play in Charlotte--right now. But if you build up a good nucleus with unselfish players, things will change. Look at Minnesota--they have an incompetant owner and have had incompetant management and terrible teams for years--but now they have Love and Rubio, and suddenly that team looks a lot more attractive.
Posted by: Deuce | Mar 14, 2012 2:58:56 PM
Stephen Curry is one of the classiest players in the NBA. I absolutely love this guy. Jordan should do everything in his power to bring this young man home where he wants to be.
Posted by: pooledadde | Mar 14, 2012 3:08:00 PM
To be honest guys yeah respectively, I would choose davis then barnes If I picked in the draft. But nobody is avg 18 and 12 rebound, Nobody! Is putting up those type numbers like T. Robinson. Plus the fact he is 6-10 but I believe he may stay another year.
Regardless of what people say about the Bobcats they made the right moves in the draft. Yes Shupert was out there, but anybody could hit and miss. Me myself I love big guards like Jeremy Lamb could be another top 10 player out of college draft. But I believe the bobcats are shopping Diaw pretty hard to get some cap relief or trade for Farmer and another guy. I believe this team will be good people a little faith and patience won't hurt. I have seen a lot of fairweather fans give up. Eyeing Carmelo, well he is a half court player and it seems like the team was better as fast break team with Lin. No Melo wouldn't come here if LaLa told that she would move to Time Warner Cable Arena. But it doesn't matter always the talent just how well a team gels together. With that being said I hope we don't win that min games because I am sure we hold one of the top 3 picks in the draft.
Posted by: tbird | Mar 14, 2012 3:19:55 PM
I will no longer be a fan of the bobcats if they trade for jordan farmar and would likely never watch another nba game again.
Posted by: zach | Mar 14, 2012 3:23:57 PM
we're only guaranteed top 4 if we finish last. probability says we'll pick higher, but 4th can still happen.
robinson is great, but he's also a junior. young junior, but still a junior.
barnes and davis' stats are diluted by the teams they play on. kansas is nice but it's far more of a 2 man monster. carolina is like 6 deep with nba prospects so is kentucky. no question barnes goes durant if he doesn't have zeller and henson grabbing a ton of boards every game.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 3:31:01 PM
Davis than Robinson.
Keep very small core as folks have said and send the rest elsewhere for any picks in this or next years draft at all.
Curry, would be great and fans love him but would cost alot and wouldn't be the franchise complement purchase we need.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 14, 2012 3:32:50 PM
you would stop watching if they traded for jordan farmar? is that a religious thing? who gives an eff if they trade for farmar?
i highly doubt they trade diaw for additional dead weight (farmar and petro) and a pick that might not exist when they could probably buy a 1st rounder for cheaper than that. but they have managed dumber moves pre-cho and nothing would surprise me. i'd rather it be morrow than farmar though. throw in reggie williams for deshawn stevenson while we're at it. but the nets would never do that.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 3:51:04 PM
Okay I like the KG comparison with Davis, but I still think we lack a SF. BB can develop into D.howard in my opinion best case or Serge Iblaka worst case. Both will are good players. That block the other night was out of this world. Two hands and its all ball. Mullens is a great center, but I'd rather get a Paul Pierce like forward with Barnes than Davis based on our needs right now.
Posted by: Gmoney | Mar 14, 2012 4:22:05 PM
Did any of you dumbass commenters here ever graduate from third grade english? You are embarassing. I'm a retired veteran. The rest of you need to get back to the third grade. I would guess that you are all unemployed.
Posted by: buzzkill | Mar 14, 2012 4:52:02 PM
With all that talent surrounding him in Oakland why would he want to come play for a perennial loser like the Bobcats?
Posted by: George Hanson | Mar 14, 2012 5:07:27 PM
No need to hope for Stephen or hold on to DJ we got Kemba, all we need is a good back up point guard, as for as trades go I like Ironmans Carmelo dream, but it not going down, the only trade i see is us trading diaw expiring contract to New Jersey for a 1st round drafts and taking Farmer and Petho contracts, the other is trading DJ to Utah for a 1st round draft pick, right now its any deal that gives us drafts or gives us more cap space.If your name is'nt Kemba,Bismack,Henderson.Be prepared to ship out tommorrow unless otherwise told.
(would like them to keep Derrick Brown,Reggie Williams,Byron Mullens and DJ White, even Cory Higgins is cheap enough to give other short term deal ( But draft picks are the way you go now
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Mar 14, 2012 5:09:34 PM
GETTING DRAFT PICKS AND CLEARING CAP SPACE IS THE ONLY THING THE BOBCATS ARE TRYING TO DO THAT THIS TIME, AND NEXT YEAR
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Mar 14, 2012 5:11:59 PM
Other than being from here, there is no reason to get Curry. His injury history is not good. Stay with the plan. Get an extra pick and more cap space. Draft well and bring in a player this year or next. I they are executing well. Got rid of Jackson and Wallace jus in time.
Posted by: Davey | Mar 14, 2012 7:20:30 PM
Sad to say, but the only talent the Bobcats have is Michael Jordan, and even sadder is...he can't use all his $$ and basketball smarts to put even ONE star on the roster. If something major doesn't change with our team and our game, I'd bet the Bobcats won't even exist in 5 more years...and that's bein' optimistic
Posted by: Arejaye | Mar 14, 2012 8:22:59 PM
Monta Ellis will have a longer career than Steph Curry....
Posted by: Scott | Mar 14, 2012 10:20:25 PM
I would rather jhave Kemba Walker than Curry....what we need is Anthony Davis of UK playing next to Bismack....
Posted by: Scott | Mar 14, 2012 10:24:21 PM
It's simple. Let Diaw expire, draft Davis and sign Batum as a free agent. Portland needs a point guard and a big badly, so I'd sign and trade both DJ's and send them to the Blazers this summer for Batum. Based on the extension Gallinari got this year; Batum stands to make 11 million per. If possible, I'd also try to flip Carroll for a back-up PG. 4 of our starting 5 would be a defensive problem for years to come.
Henderson, Williams, Carroll
Batum, Maggette, Brown
Biyombo, Mullens, Diop
Posted by: Larry | Mar 14, 2012 11:31:10 PM
Portland is not letting batum walk. He's also not worth 11 million per. 8 tops.
Rashon, the bobcats dont need to clear cap space. We did that already. Tyrus thomas is the only long term contract we have and he can be amnestied. We have cap space for the future. We need talent and patience.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 14, 2012 11:51:20 PM
Kevin mchale is one of the best pf defenders of all time. He knows how to keep pt gds out of the paint thereby killing any chance to get easy buckets for temmates if they pass when in the paint.
Stef Curry is a great shooter and a class guy but hes not quick or strong enough to will himself into the paint to ever become a top pt gd that dishes in the paint. Notice how the rockets tonight thwarted dj and kembas attempts to get in the paint by trapping them and pushing them back. Neither one put up much resistance .The cats suffered mightily as a result. Kemba had 8 asssts they say but not in the paint but perimeter stuff that doesnt get teammates going.
Kemba and dj were killed by the pt gds who were never picjed up in transition or stopped from huge dribble penetration on half ct sets. The pt gd position is not set or resolved until the cats get a big pt gd and Currys not the answer. Shumpert would have been
Posted by: Ironman | Mar 14, 2012 11:53:05 PM
Shumpert isn't even a point guard. Dude is a 2 with a decent handle.
You have to be a little more patient with guys and one game is not an indictment. Augustin/walker is solid at the one. We need a 3 and a 4 far more than a 1. It would make more sense for them to be looking to drive and dish if they had legit finishers in the paint. Tyrus thomas is not amare or blake griffin. Biyombo isnt there yet, i think he'll get there.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 15, 2012 11:03:21 AM
and upon further review, you must not even watch the games because all kemba and DJ were doing last night was drive and dish. guys weren't finishing, but they were doing their part. PG is not the problem with this team.
dragic had a solid game but they weren't killing us by any stretch. scola, parsons and buddinger did way more damage.
dragic/flynn 48 minutes, 21 points 13 assists 2 turnovers 2 rebounds 9 of 18 fgs 1 steal
augustin/walker 48 minutes 15 points 11 assists 6 turnovers 4 rebounds 6 turnovers 2 steals 7 of 20 from the field
we lost the game because they shot 53% from the field and we shot 40%. they grabbed 46 rebounds, we grabbed 30. they shot poorly from the line AND turned the ball over 5 more times but because of the rebound disparity, we weren't even close. bismack had 4 blocks but 5 rebounds in 30 minutes isn't going to cut it. that's why we're losing games.
Posted by: charlottean | Mar 15, 2012 2:05:32 PM
Why don't we go after Anwain Jamison? He has expressed interest in finishing his career in Charlotte. He is playing better these last couple years than he did his first few. We need some big men and he fits the bill. He has great size and can still shoot from outside. He would be an awesome addition to this team. We have two young guards in Augustine and Walker, a decent SF in Magettee. Lets go after some big men and stop looking for more guards until these guys prove they can't cut it.
Posted by: Alan | Mar 16, 2012 5:50:14 AM
Harrison Barnes has a game that is designed for the NBA. He is a superstar with unreal amounts of talent. He is 6'8 with great size for a SF. We would be absolutely stupid no to pick him with any pick if he is available. I realize we need big men badly but Barnes is a unique talent. Mark my words, He will be an NBA Superstar in a few years. Davis and Henson are very tall but don't have large size so far to bang with the big men of the NBA. I think they will be good but maybe not dominant in the NBA. Both remind me of an Ed Davis who is good defensively but offense is lacking. I hope Barnes sticks another year in UNC but that is highly doubtful.
Posted by: Alan | Mar 16, 2012 5:54:09 AM
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