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April 12, 2012

Will Corey Maggette be back next season?

            I wonder if Corey Maggette has played his last game as a Charlotte Bobcat.

            Maggette will miss the last 10 games of the season with an injured right Achilles tendon. He leaves as this season’s leading scorer, at 15 points per game. And when you think about all the change likely coming this off-season, I could see Maggette being waived as the Bobcats’ amnesty provision.

            The Bobcats have the option to waive one player and no longer count his salary against their cap or a potential luxury-tax bill. Maggette makes about $10.9 million next season, the last on his contract. So the Bobcats could drop considerably under the cap by using the amnesty clause on Maggette.

            I should think there are four potential candidates should the Bobcats go the amnesty route: Maggette, Gana Diop (nearly $7.4 million next season), Matt Carroll ($3.5 million next season) or Tyrus Thomas (nearly $26 million over the next three seasons). If they’re reluctant to give up on Thomas, then waiving Maggette would produce the most cap space.

            I’d think twice before waiving Maggette, in that he is still a dependable scorer when healthy on a team that is last in the league in scoring. He doesn’t have a good shooting percentage this season (37 percent) but he still has a knack for getting to the foul line. He’s been more productive this season than Thomas, Diop or Carroll.

            This could simply come down to which free agents might be willing to sign here over the summer and how much cap space it would take to get those deals done.

Posted by Observer Sports on April 12, 2012 at 02:04 PM | Permalink

Comments

I think we hold onto Maggettee. We need his scoring too much. Diop would be a much better amnesty option if we were to go that route. I'd rather have a D-Leaguer on our roster than Doip.

Posted by: Elliot | Apr 12, 2012 2:08:45 PM

I agree with Elliot. The Bobs at least get some production out of Maggette. The only production the Bobs got out of Diop was the Not Top 10 free throw air ball that missed by 3 feet.

What the Mavs did to the Bobs front office in sticking them with Carroll, Diop, and Najera contracts should be what NOT to do as a FO.

Posted by: Sambo | Apr 12, 2012 2:27:35 PM

I think it depends on the draft....you get davis, you keep maggette. You get a 3 and you should be looking trade/buyout. The only trade would be for a like situation for a position swap. Not likely to find compatibility. Buyout might save you more money than the amnesty and keep the amnesty for future use with thomas.

Why amnesty anybody this offseason if we don't need the cap room and won't be over the tax line? much better suited on thomas for future use. His contract will become a problem in its last 2 years, but it isn't now. And there's quite a drop off salary wise from pick 1 to pick 4. Unless we win the lottery AND have a major free agent move to make, you save the amnesty for thomas when needed. And no need to do it now because you still have to pay him. Better to get some worth out of it, hoping that he becomes tradeable or at the least, useful as a reserve like he was against cleveland.

Its probably 50/50 maggette wears a charlotte uni at all next season.

Posted by: charlottean | Apr 12, 2012 2:37:56 PM

Can someone tell me why it really matters who they keep or cut? Rick?

What is it going to mean the difference in 12 wins vs. 10 next year? Not joking.

This team will never be good until Jordan sells it or the league reposesses it from him. The guy would rather be off in Vegas running golf tournaments than owning a NBA team.

And how is Paul Silas still coaching? He either sleeps during games (I'm not lying I saw him sleep during a timeout) or lets his son coach. What a joke

Posted by: Frank | Apr 12, 2012 2:44:41 PM

Rick - Am I correct in inferring from the wording you chose - Gana Diop (nearly $7.4 million next season), Matt Carroll ($3.5 million next season) or Tyrus Thomas (nearly $26 million over the next three seasons) - that Diop, Carroll and Maggette are all in the last year of their contracts in 2012-13?

If so, I say we don't amnesty anyone. Let all 3 roll off next year and amnesty Thomas if he isn't any better next year.

If there are more years on those Diop & Carroll deals, amnesty Diop. Maggette gets injured a lot and Carroll is wildly inconsistent, but both of them can at least put the ball in the hoop every now and then. Then at the end of 2012-13, amnesty Thomas or Carroll, whichever one contributes the least.

Posted by: J | Apr 12, 2012 2:50:34 PM

Frank, do you understand how the NBA works now? You have to get worse to get better. There is a tanking plan in place. It will take alot of losses and luck, but in 2-3 years it may be alot better.

Posted by: just me | Apr 12, 2012 2:55:31 PM

J:
First off, yes, Maggette, Carroll and Diop all have one season left.
I think the amnesty issue comes down to what free agents they could sign over the summer. They might need to cut a major salary via amnesty this summer to make certain moves.
I doubt they'd do anything unless they had a deal in principle that would require them to add cap space.

Posted by: rick bonnell | Apr 12, 2012 2:56:41 PM

I bet we don't amnesty anyone. With Diaw's contract up, aren't we already $20 million under the cap next year? I thought I had read we would already have enough space to sign a max salary free agent (not that we could attract one) plus more. Once you amnesty a player, you still have to pay them - it just doesn't count against the cap. I just don't see us doing that since we already have some flexibility.

Posted by: OffTheRadar | Apr 12, 2012 3:19:18 PM

Dump Thomas and his crazy price. The other two will fall out on their own. Go Cats!

Posted by: Words have meaning | Apr 12, 2012 3:29:07 PM

Yea I don't think the Cats amnesty anyone this offseason unless like Rick said they are in an unlikely situation where they can sign a good FA. Diop and Carroll are all gone After next season regardless. Hold on to it in case Thomas doesn't improve.

Posted by: PantherDave | Apr 12, 2012 3:30:21 PM

Please tell me we are still not talking about this team. Worst team ever. Jordan should be ashamed!!

Posted by: Are you serious! | Apr 12, 2012 4:06:51 PM

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

You know what is sad? Look at the few teams that are below us as far as salaries this year and look at their records/production. Even worse, look at the few just ahead of us by a few million and you really feel the shame. Maggette's contract will be worth something in a trade scenario b/c it is an expiring contract. No need to amnesty him, why would you do that? Thomas is just off his game since his injuries, hope he gets better if not he'd be the beest choice. Diop and Carrol take up very little room and both roll off next year, again no need to amnesty, be a waste.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Apr 12, 2012 4:09:13 PM

offtheradar,

diaw's 9 and najera's 2.8 or 2.6 are the only salary coming off the books and most everybody else goes up from this year. Then you have to factor in a top 4 pick salary which depending on if it's 1 or 4 could be a signficant chunk of that 12ish.

And we have to re-up derrick brown, augustin, decide about d.j. white, consider extending mullens and henderson before their qualifying offer the following year.

the big money comes off AFTER next year. maggette, diop, carroll, williams. well over 20 million. As of right now we only have thomas guaranteed for '13-'14 and options on biyombo, walker, any other draft picks the next 2 drafts, and QO's on mullens and henderson. nobody else is on the books as of right now.


Patience fans. They are finally doing the right thing and getting blasted the most for it. If morrison never got hurt, we might not have gone through all of this mess to begin with but we could play what if games all day. truth is, we'll draft high this year and next and land a cornerstone player in one of those drafts and move forward.

we have players on the roster right now. but they're all 19-24 in a league dominated by 29 year olds.

Posted by: charlottean | Apr 12, 2012 4:15:13 PM

You guys make no sense this team has lived in the 8-15 pick and made nothing out of it, now they tank like the Panthers did (cam Newton) and you are even more ticked off... This was the best year to do this with a short year and no expectations and a Prize of Davis or MKG..... Drop some cap space next year a few Vets and you are building a team around a superstar instead of at best 6-10 guys on playoff teams.... Its the right thing Cho Did it this way the first go round...

Posted by: Robert | Apr 12, 2012 4:22:55 PM

Lived in the 8-15 pick? Lmao. Lets recap shall we?

04/05 - #2 did not trade cash and pick to ORL to get Howard and instead left it as is and took Okafor (not too bad of a move, but hindsight is 20/20 now)

05/06 - With the 5th we take Felton and 13th we took May (Jazz and Hornets were willing to wheel and deal for their picks so we could go after coveted Chris Paul or Deron Williams; instead we do the exact opposite and draft the UNC Championship team, no need for 20/20 here, it was a dumb move)

06/07 - we drafted at #3 Adam Morrsion. No commentary needed here...

07/08 - Drafted yet another UNC guy to trade to get Jason Richardson. That was a pretty deep draft too, what a waste of a pick to get another SG....

08/09 - #9 we draft augustine

Need I go on?

I'd have to say, saying we lived in 8-15 is untrue, we just drafted poorly, and then let each and every freaking top 5 pick go, with no real compensation.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Apr 12, 2012 4:33:46 PM

If we had just went after Howard, or even kept Okafor around and traded up to get CP3 or Deron Williams...we'd have the 1-2 punch we needed.

Howard, CP3 could have been a reality in Charlotte. Salt in the wound, just salt in the wound. Bob Johnson really screwed the team over and handed it off to Jordan. It's been a disaster since the 2nd season. Sean May at 13? SEAN MAY???? Danny Granger was the pick I think every real Bobcats fan wanted at the time.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Apr 12, 2012 4:37:22 PM

I had mentioned last year, when to acquisition was made it will be a big mistake. Maggettee is an under achiever. Who does not care or will never play any type of defense.

Posted by: par404 | Apr 12, 2012 5:16:00 PM

The acquisition of Maggette was not a mistake due to the fact that having Jackson on this team would have stunted the growth of the young players.

Sincerely, what FA this offseason (that would conceivably sign with the Bobs) would be worth using the amnesty provision for?

Posted by: Sambo | Apr 12, 2012 5:49:09 PM

Season ticket holder you are insanely hind-sighted.

Sean May was great his first 2 years when he played. He had some monster games. Absolute big paws on a pup. But dude was an egg physically and never could stay healthy.

Morrison was nowhere near as bad as everybody acts like he was. He was a player. He played a total of 1.5 seasons in the nba. We gave up on a number 3 pick after 1 rookie season in which he showed flashes of greatness and flashes of mediocrity, and then a half of a season as a reserve with a coach that hated him and coming off a major injury. He would have been fine if larry brown had wanted him to be fine.

You can't sit here and talk about all the guys they missed on when there hasn't been a single GLARING miss out of the bunch. There have been no oden's instead of durants. Danny granger is not worth the contract he signed. He's a legit starter but look at his stats. dude is horribly inefficient.

The problem with okafor was that we overpaid him and then traded him for matt carroll and najera. The pick wasn't the problem. The trades were. Felton we let walk because we paid thomas instead. We could have kept a felton, jackson, wallace, diaw, chandler lineup together and that could have contended in the 3-6 seed range for a few seasons. We got all of those guys except wallace through the draft. We turned okafor, morrison, dudley and wright into jackson diaw and chandler.

The problem has not been the draft. It's been what we did with the picks. We didn't develop felton. We had him playing the 2 for years. We didn't develop okafor, we were criticizing his stretching and telling him he was a 4. We didn't develop morrison, we didn't even let him come back from an injury. We traded dudley. We didn't develop augustin OR ajinca. We gave up on Ajinca right before we rebuilded. Unnecessarily. Explain that to me.

Explain giving up on Ajinca who......was like 21 at the time and absolutely dominated D-league action. You don't see good teams give up on guys that quick when they don't cost much to develop.

We completely mishandled henderson and brown out the gate but fortunately were able to get do-overs in their case.

Now we're actually looking to play guys and develop guys and watch what happens with guys like mullens and biyombo. Give them an offseason and a training camp and a normal schedule with practices and 82 games.

but the picks aren't the problem.

Posted by: charlottean | Apr 12, 2012 6:21:02 PM

***crickets***

Posted by: BarelyCareAnymore | Apr 12, 2012 10:26:46 PM

To all of you "we have a plan" believers keep drinking the Kool-Aid the spaceship will be here soon. Everybody keeps saying it worked in OKC so in 3 years we will be good. There is nothing to do in OKC other than fall college football so people showed up at games instead of going to Walmart. There are many more things in Charlotte and other cities in NC,SC to compete for the entertainment dollar, so there may be no Bobcats in 3 years. Everybody keeps talking about Bobcat attendance is up, you need to understand it is measured by tickets not in the Bobcats possession these include the 1 for 1 giveaways to season ticket holders and tickets given by the Bobcats to encourage people to come to the games. They may say the attendence is 15,000 but slighly under 50% were actually paid for.

Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Apr 13, 2012 11:12:14 AM

WHAT does rebuilding and draft picks mean people? Starting over I guess and reinventing the team here in Charlotte. I never thought Sean May and Adam Morrison was a bust, they actually had some good games but never materialized due to nondevelop and giving these guys basically a chance. Look at Brandon Wright, Shannon Brown, Jared Dudley imagine if we had these guys right now. With Wallace and Jack we would be a contender not a championship team. I think u still r hung up on the season we made the playoffs. I am hoping we get Davis, but T. Rob, Sully, and or Barnes or Gilchest will do. But things on upside in the future.

Posted by: tbird | Apr 13, 2012 11:57:16 AM

Go hard after James Harden. he can be the go to guy this team has been lacking. Hope to get lucky and get Davis in the draft. Also make a run at Hibbert and all of a sudden you got a contender in the east!!!

Posted by: Tony | Apr 13, 2012 12:56:30 PM

Truebballfan,

The plan in OKC is not their plan. It's THE plan. Suck until you draft a franchise guy and then build around him. The only exception to the rule is the detroit team in......03 or 04 or whenever that was. They are the only team that wasn't built on drafting a franchise guy.

jordan, dirk, tim duncan, dwade, kobe, isiah thomas, paul pierce, hakeem olajuwon, bird, etc. etc. etc. all franchise guys that won championships with the team that drafted them (or made a trade for their draft rights . then you have all the pieces that were drafted around these guys OR the guys that were acquired via high draft picks.

look at every single championship. then you can look at all the guys that came up short the karl malones, the reggie millers, the patrick ewings, etc.

good teams are built through drafting elite players and building around them properly. it's an obvious obvious obvious format that has worked over and over and over and over and over. The last pistons championship is the only exception in the last.....20 or 30 years or so.


and tony.....for the millionth time......james harden is not a free agent. he's only a restricted FA NEXT summer and unless somebody wants to give him the joe johnson treatment and give him a kevin durant contract, dude is going to stay in OKC. He's not going to sign with the bobcats and the only way we'd be able to trade for him is if we drafted anthony davis and offered him up. Even then, they probably wouldn't be interested.

Posted by: charlottean | Apr 13, 2012 2:45:59 PM

I'm pretty sure contract year Maggette will be more valuable as trade bait for a playoff team needing some more punch going into the postseason, like when the Mavs needed a SF to replace the injured Caron Butler.

Posted by: BrotherDave | Apr 13, 2012 10:31:58 PM

dude will be making 11 million next year. there aren't a lot of teams that will be in a position to take that salary on in a trade that makes sense for either side. buyout is way more likely. If we draft a 3, I would expect that they work on the buyout immediately, but that's not a given. If you put maggette on the open market, he might command 5 but that's a big maybe. Far more likely he plays for a contender at the end of their bench for the minimum. he's already going to get 11 million next year regardless, no reason for him to go for the big money, he'll go for the ring. dude will be 33 at the start of the season next year.

plenty of teams would take the guy for depth, but not too many would take him at 11 million.


I know dragic is going to get overpaid but if he's anywhere at or under 7 million a year....I think we need to be at the very least thinking about it. It's not that he's going to be an elite pg (although he might) but he's got balls. DJ shows it at times but not every single game. Walker shows it all the time but lacks in every other aspect. Dude takes horrible fading twisting shots when better shots are easily created and he misses too many open jumpers all the same. Maybe he gets better, but if it's between either of those 2 and dragic, I'd definitely take dragic. I don't even know if it's allowed but maybe a 3 team sign & trade.......walker and somebody from portland going to houston, augustin and somebody from houston going to portland and dragic coming here.

Posted by: charlottean | Apr 14, 2012 2:24:18 PM

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