June 19, 2012
Some Day II thoughts on Mike Dunlap and the Charlotte Bobcats
The Charlotte Bobcats face a lot of scrutiny today for hiring St. John’s assistant Mike Dunlap as their head coach. That’s understandable – when you elevate a college assistant to NBA head coach, it causes fans to scratch their heads.
I have an open mind to this being a good hire because Dunlap comes so strongly recommended by Denver Nuggets coach George Karl. Dunlap worked two seasons for Karl, drawing raves for his defensive principles. Along the way Dunlap became tight with former Karl assistant Tim Grgurich, and I hear Grgurich might end up on the Bobcats’ bench. That would be a great move.
I get all the attention on Dunlap, but the next five seasons won’t rise or fall on this coaching hire. How the Bobcats use the No. 2 overall pick June 28 and how they employ up to $21 million in salary-cap space will be far more important than which plays Dunlap runs or whether the players like the way he dresses.
It’s brutally tough to win in the NBA without stars. A glance at the rosters of the Thunder, Heat, Celtics and Spurs shows why those four teams advanced to the conference finals. And the Bobcats are as starless right now as any NBA team in recent memory.
People talk about what a genius Phil Jackson is, but he’s never coached an NBA team that wasn’t loaded with talent. Had Jackson coached the Bobcats, he would have had the same miserable experience last year that Paul Silas did. Except Jackson wouldn’t consider doing such a thing.
Dunlap is getting this chance to grow with an organization, and at 54, I’m sure he’s thankful for that. But if they don’t get him some help on that roster, and quickly, he’ll fail. As would Jerry Sloan or Brian Shaw or any of those flashier names once connected to this job.
Posted by Observer Sports on June 19, 2012 at 01:42 PM | Permalink
Rick - have you ever come down hard on the Bobcats? We were the worst franchise in NBA history last year hands down. There has been repeated mistake after mistake, what makes you think this is ANY different?
Under what objective view would the Bobcats earn the right for you to give them the benefit of the doubt?
Posted by: john | Jun 19, 2012 1:49:55 PM
I have to agree that it matters little who the coach would be right now given our lack of talent. Hopefully, the new coach is a good evaluator of talent and helps steer the front office in the best possible direction during the draft and free agency.
Posted by: Cheeseburgerface | Jun 19, 2012 1:56:17 PM
Spot on post Rick. I can just hope against hope they figure out a way to get some top 50 talent on the roster. I think we go full court press after Roy Hibbert and draft Beal. Or arrange a trade for Curry. Again, hope against hope....
Posted by: PantherHead | Jun 19, 2012 1:56:20 PM
I think they got it right. Sneakers and suits are back!
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 19, 2012 2:00:56 PM
This team will have a name change next! The Charlotte Bobcats will become the Seattle Supersonics!!
Posted by: Bruce | Jun 19, 2012 2:17:13 PM
The sneakers in the picture of Dunlap are for prostate cancer awareness and were worn by many coaches in the Big East last year in support of Lavin. Dunlap is a great hire and Tim G is one of the best player development guys around. Moe Harkless out of SJU has a very high ceiling at SF. Will be interesting if we trade back to get 2 lower picks and take him. He is projected as a 10-20 pick.
Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Jun 19, 2012 2:19:11 PM
MJ brought in Cho. Cho got us 2 number ones in Kemba and Biz. Cho hires Dunlap. Cho uses the number 2 pick on Robinson. Dunlap starts to develop one of the youngest teams in the NBA. We get another top 5 pick next year. That works.
Posted by: Gman | Jun 19, 2012 2:27:54 PM
This is a low risk-medium reward hire. Dunlap is no doubt making less money than Brian Shaw or Jerry Sloan would have commanded. Given the Bobcats current plan of getting worse to get better, Dunlap fits in perfectly. We will be really bad next season, and that's fine. The next season, we will also be pretty bad, that's also fine. The third season will be key for Dunlap in determining if he will keep his job. We should have enough talent by then to compete for a playoff spot. Dunlap has a chance to mentor youngsters and "grow with the team" for the first few years, and if he can come through and lead us to the playoffs, great. If not, we fire him and give a team with some talent to an established coach who can lead us into the playoffs.
Posted by: Elliot | Jun 19, 2012 2:33:08 PM
Let's give the guy a dang chance. We can't get any more sickening then we are now. I hope now we can actually develop our players for once.
Posted by: MoD | Jun 19, 2012 2:37:41 PM
I think it's pretty clear what happened. We did all our interviews before the Draft Lottery. Soon as our #2 pick was determined, all of our top options pulled out, led by Sloan, for obvious reasons. This left us having to choose from probably our 6th-7th pick for a coach.
Why would someone like Brian Shaw go to NBA purgatory for his 1st head coaching job? The last thing he would want to do is start his head coaching career failing for his first 2 seasons and getting fired.
Posted by: john | Jun 19, 2012 2:38:40 PM
It doesn't matter who the coach is or will be. Until the Bobcats get some talent, the results will be the same. And the only way they will get talent is through the draft because marquee free agents will not even consider Charlotte as a place to play. There is a reason the Los Angeles, Miami, and New York attract the top names. There is no glitz in this town and no hip-hop culture. There is nothing to attract players or to keep them after their contracts expire.
Posted by: Steph | Jun 19, 2012 2:41:18 PM
I've never posted a comment on any article...but I have to say...really Rick? When you have NBA ready coaches and a team as poor as this one there is no excuse. Jordan refuses to pony up real money, get a real name and now you are an apologist. How do you think this hire would go over in a real NBA town? It's as embarrassing as Jordan's unwillingness to spend $$, and as this assessment of the hire is.
Posted by: KGman | Jun 19, 2012 2:42:31 PM
Beleive it or not alot of players don't mind coming to Charlotte to play for the Bobcats as long as they contend for playoffs and a chance to advance. From what I hear every player that has come to Charlotte to play they liked the city, it's just the way the teams have been built in the past except for the 2010 team that made it to the playoffs for the first time, then that team was broken up terribly and for what b/c they made it to the playoffs and didn't beat the Magic who ended up going to the finals that year? Please if you have a good team do what you have to do to keep the main pieces together!!
Posted by: HATER HATER | Jun 19, 2012 2:45:45 PM
Agree with Rick and Brian Shaw did not want to be here anyway. When Dwight leave Orlando and Ryan Anderson a FA then how attractive Orlando will be? For Malone and all of them who didn't want a challenge..Glad u are not the coach! Go Cats!
Posted by: Bharr | Jun 19, 2012 2:50:14 PM
Rick. Thanks for an objective view point as oppossed to some of this knee jerk reaction. Amazing story on this guy from Andy Katz at ESPN. Unfortunately most of these people don't bother to look any further than a name.
Posted by: OKGman | Jun 19, 2012 2:51:29 PM
Nice scoop Bonnell.
I guess we now know why you did that hatchet job on Larry Brown back in April.
Before then you'd get scooped on every single headline about the Bobcats, and now your breaking a new head coach being announced.
MJ make you take any other loyalty test before you became his lackey?
This hiring stinks, just like everything else in the putrid organization. Until the team moves or MJ sells the team they will continue to go nowhere.
The only way to continue to keep the blindfold over the locals is to keep teasing them with this Hornets nonsense.
Now off to read what Tom Sorensen thought about the hire: I bet it goes something like, "I don't know Mike Dunlap from Mike Dunleavy. But if he makes the team better, I am all for it. If he doesn't, then just wait until we get the Hornets name back! Can Cam play football? Hardy Har Har - Tom"
Posted by: I used to sit near Buzz | Jun 19, 2012 2:52:24 PM
jordan you really suck making decesion
Posted by: John | Jun 19, 2012 2:56:44 PM
I agree with charlottean's post of June 19, 2:00:56pm
Posted by: Billyjimbobjoe | Jun 19, 2012 3:03:57 PM
would like to second two notions above that a) Bonnell is a Bobcats sympathizer and b) he's Jordans go-boy and taking a little $$ on the side for the positive-only publicity.
Been seeing this for years with Darrin Gantt and now Joe Person with the Panthers, guess Rick was feeling left out.
Posted by: Frank | Jun 19, 2012 3:05:46 PM
Hoopshype has said that Shaw didn't want the job. To me this is like when Luck stayed in school and everyone was upset and the Panthers ended up with Cam. That is turning out good so far.
Posted by: sportsfan51 | Jun 19, 2012 3:11:39 PM
OK - so maybe I am crazy but I am not worried about this hire. What matters is adding more players. Here are the moves i would be pushing if i were GM:
1) trade Tyrus Thomas, DJ White and #2 to Portland for #6 and #11 and #41 (they also have 40). This leaves Portland with two picks including the #2 pick with Thomas and White to fill power forward backup needs.
2) Draft Beal or Barnes at #6 - both will add some scoring and outside shooting. I would prefer Barnes since i think he will be like Sean Elliot in the NBA and we need a small forward.
3) Draft Terrance Jones at #11 - this guy has a motor and will be a solid PF in the NBA. He can also shoot it from three and if we need to play "big" he can play small forward.
4) Grab a shooter at #31 - like Will Barton or John Jenkins - to come off the bench at SG and provide scoring.
5) Draft Henry Sims or Banard James at #41 - either one would be great and both should be on the board at #41.
6) Trade DJ Augustine for a late second round pick and use it on Miles Plumlee or James if he is on the board. Plumlee, James and Sims are my top three sleepers in this draft.
7) Grab Dee Bost and Jon Kreft as rookie free agents. Two other major sleepers on my list. Bost might creep into the second round - let's hope not so we can get him.
8) Make a move in free agency on Chris Kaman
9) Amnesty Diop
10) In free agency grab a forgotten player such as James Anderson from the Spurs to provide depth at Small forward. He would be cheap and hungry for PT behind Barnes.
So here is the new Bobcats lineup I want:
1) Walker at the point backed up by new comers John Jenkins and Dee Bost
2) Henderson backed up by James Anderson
3) Maggetter backed up by Barnes for now
4) Mullens backed up by Terrance Jones and Plumlee/James
5) Kamen backed up by Biyombo, Sims and Kreft
Major changes and super young - and still some big money to spend in 2013 on FAs... The injection of talent will make this a new team and all you need is two stars and some solid role players.
Posted by: Dom | Jun 19, 2012 3:17:58 PM
Come on sportsfan, Cam was a National Champion and the Heisman Trophy winner. Comparing this Dunlap story to the Luck/Cam situation just is not valid.
Kemba won't last under this guy. Just watch.
Posted by: George Hanson | Jun 19, 2012 3:21:00 PM
Forgot Carroll backing up Henderson... And maybe a couple other players who we need to released. My point is when you win only seven games - you make major changes because you can't get worse so revamp the team. Maggette and Carroll will be gone after 2013 so if we do it right we would only have Walker, Biyonbo, Henderson and Mullens left from 2012.... I don't think we can blame the seven wins on those guys - and we should be in position to add two solid draft picks next year and a big name FA.
Posted by: Dom | Jun 19, 2012 3:25:35 PM
Posted by: Cris | Jun 19, 2012 3:26:25 PM
Because Portland really wants a band-aid boy bench player making starter money.... Another fabulous decision by MJ and his boys. Apparently they don't teach the meaning of a 'sunk cost' at Kenan-Flagler. (Or journalism ethics at Syracuse, eh Rick?)
Oh wait, MJ was a geology major.
Posted by: I used to sit near Buzz | Jun 19, 2012 3:27:50 PM
Also - I agree Shaw wasn't coming here... I think Synder would have been a great pick but all the UNC hate kept him from getting the job. Who would you Duke haters rather have now? I think Sloan pulled his name because he knew Jordan wanted to go young after the last two coachs were both old. MJ is showing some courage - now make the moves I listed above and I promise you will get your two stars!
Posted by: Dom | Jun 19, 2012 3:32:18 PM
Was MJ really a Geology major????? I am a Geologist and i think that would be great if he is too. And if you were making a joke - well you failed... Geology is a tough degree that requires lots of science and math.
Posted by: rockhead | Jun 19, 2012 3:35:07 PM
Well - I think Portland wants the #2 pick and I think it is worth #6, #11 and #41 and taking one of our scrubs... Maybe I think the pick is too valuable. Perhaps we target Golden State - and trade for the #7, #30 and #35 picks (this time only throwing in Thomas)?
Posted by: Dom | Jun 19, 2012 3:39:37 PM
Well, if Charlotte does indeed continue to falter its franchise, look for them to relocate. However, it is up to the General Manager/Owner's discretion on how best to lead this team to the Playoffs. It is going to take them a lot of time.
Posted by: Alex | Jun 19, 2012 3:54:30 PM
Just b/c this dude comes highly recommended from Karl of the Denver Nuggets means CRAP to me RICK!!! Is Dunlap coming highly recommended from others throughout the NBA league or sports analyst for that matter????! One thing for sure MJ has now proven to me that he's definitely a HIGH ROLLER gambler! This move will either raise or sink this franchise and no room for anything in between!!!!!
Posted by: BoneHead Rick!!! | Jun 19, 2012 4:13:40 PM
I was thinking of purchasing season tickets with the buy one get one free season offers. After this decision ----yet again with no reasoning behind it….Even that won’t put me in a seat. I’m DONE—No thanks---GO OKC!
Posted by: Jtoom | Jun 19, 2012 4:24:28 PM
Don't get me wrong--I really hope this gamble works for the team, but at some point the Bobcats gotta realize that spark and fan interest is just as important as the bottom line and these types of stupid gambles further makes me realize that R. Higgins has no basketball or business sense what so ever!
Posted by: Jtoom | Jun 19, 2012 4:27:11 PM
You've got to be kidding me. I realize Charlotte is not really on any top coaches list of places to coach but this is just absurd. A assistant coach from COLLEGE?
I could care less who the name is...1 thing we know is the NBA is very different today then in years past. In years past, even the SUPERSTARS listened to their coach, respected him and played hard for him. But not todays players. Todays players rule over the coach on most teams unless your a 'top notch' proven coach.
Todays rich and spoiled players RULE THE ROOST and they arent going to respect or even try to play hard for some (plug in any name that is an assistant coach in college) guy they dont respect and trust me.....these spoiled players will 'say' all the right things but no way will they respect this guy.
Yet another epic failure by the clueless folks in charge.
Watch and see. Everything will start all rosey but before you know it there will be rifts occuring bewtween players and coach and who wins in this scenario in todays NBA? The PLAYERS. So, in 2 or 3 years tops, we will once again be looking for yet another head coach. At this rate, the Hickory Lightning will be in the playoffs before the Bobcats and I dont expect Hickory to have an NBA team for oh, maybe another 500 years or more.
And sorry MJ and the rest of the bobcat braintrust, but this hiring means the end to our team. The seats will be empty. The Vendors will be lucky to sell 100 hot dogs a game (half of those will be freebies given to players) and the team is going to lose tons of money which wont be tolerated for too long. The team will either fold, be taken over by STERN or be relocated, but mark my words, in 5 years or less, Charlotte will no longer have an NBA team (not that they actually have one now, tho)
Posted by: Who cares | Jun 19, 2012 4:40:02 PM
Right on, Rick. It's way too soon to call this a good or a bad hire. Like you said, this team's problem is a lack of talent, not the guy on the bench.
Sadly, they can't expect much help. I can't see many quality free agents signing here until the team improves. And this #2 pick isn't going to be much help - it's a 1-player draft.
The only good news is that the Bobcats are going to have a good shot of winning the lottery next year.
Posted by: GSO Cats fan | Jun 19, 2012 4:41:40 PM
gotta burst some bubbles.
1) neither barnes nor beal will be available at 6. one of them is definitely going to cleveland unless they go 2 and 3 and if either of them last to sacramento at 5.....they're gone.
2) portland isn't dumb enough to take tyrus thomas' contract. That's like paying robinson or beal 13 million a year for their rookie scale deal. now they might take diop or maggette. that's different. and completely possible. only way we might get someone to bite on thomas is if we give up #2 AND kemba walker and I don't think that many people see walker being worth all that. surely there's somebody that buys into him enough to take that jump.
3) augustin for a late 2nd round pick? are you nuts?! there are several teams that would give up a mid-late 1st rounder for him and he's worth way more to us than he is to other people. dude is CLEARLY better than walker.
4) terrence jones at 11? seriously?
5) chris kaveman for a rebuild? that makes sense. lets sign a mediocre center to take minutes away from our 2nd year #7 pick. that falls right in line with our rebuilding plans.
what we need to do is less not more. we've been move makers non-stop. we need to stop. we have some young pieces that need experience and we need more young talent around them. establish roles, coach them up. develop the talent.
the only real way to get young talent is the draft. get as many picks as possible in the draft over the next 2 years. add those picks to augustin, henderson, mullens, biyombo, brown.
walker is going to be a solid bench guy for years but we might be able to land a stud player in this draft in a trade for walker. sell high. if we can get a lottery pick for walker we should take it.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 19, 2012 4:47:48 PM
This guy DOM is a complete fool if he really thinks Portland is going to trade their picks for the #2 pick. Please explain why Portland would not use their picks to fill up the two holes they have. Use pick #6 on Damian Lilliard and #11 on Zeller or Leonard. Would you settle for one hole filled instead of 2?
Posted by: CJ Oates | Jun 19, 2012 4:50:25 PM
Hey Rick, when will the 2010-2013 official Bobcats branded paper bag head be on sale?
Posted by: Button Toomany | Jun 19, 2012 5:22:03 PM
Rick. When are they going to role this guy out? Interested to see what they liked about him. If Cho is on board, he has to have somehting going for him.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 19, 2012 6:16:09 PM
Draft Thomas Robinson and go all-in for Jeff Green, he is an UFA. He might like the idea of being the star of the team. Then try to get Spencer Hawes, according to ESPN he will commend $5-$7 Millions per year. Give Tyrus Thomas one last chance and either trade him or amnesty the guy. Re-sign Derrick Brown and let DJ White walk away. If you can trade DJ Augustine to Boston for one of their early 20's pick do it and sign Ramon Sessions, same number (maybe better) and better defense and size.
Posted by: RobC | Jun 19, 2012 6:31:13 PM
RobC, that's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. MJ wants to come aboard to be the Assistant GM.
Posted by: I used to sit near Buzz | Jun 19, 2012 6:55:37 PM
Dunlap, when he's had his own team--as distinct from being an assistant--has put in place an amazingly fast-paced system. Most importantly, the defensive part is an incredibly manic one--nobody loafing, every player going full speed and playing tight.
I think that he's a great choice--outside the box and very energetic. Only two questions: can he get the players to buy into his system, and can pros play his intense defense for 82 games?
Posted by: D. A. in Denver | Jun 19, 2012 7:03:41 PM
Rick, I seem to recall you also thought Sam Vincent was a great hire too. And that you never criticized Vincent until he was fired. And then you heaped all kinds of criticism on him. I am beginning to think you are on the Bobcats payroll rather than the CO's.
Posted by: JeffP | Jun 19, 2012 7:13:08 PM
This organization has been nothing short of a joke. This move has officially ended my 8 year run as a season ticket holder. After last seasons PATHETIC performance they go out and hire a college asst.UNBELIEVABLE! I don't care what George Karl or Rick Bonnell say about this hire, it's a JOKE!!!
I would also be willing to bet that the positive posts on this story are mainly from people who don't spend a dime on this team.
Posted by: Chris | Jun 19, 2012 7:14:31 PM
Anyone seen Mullens and Thomas lately? Hitting the weights and bulking up. Hopefully they'll make a splash next year. I'm just sayin!!!
Posted by: Get Real | Jun 19, 2012 7:15:42 PM
I just bought friggin season tickets for 3 main reasons: 1. Cheap and I like basketball 2. The number 1 pick 3. In hopes of teaching my boys to be a fan.....
Ummmm this is either a brilliant move by the Bobcats or the worse. I'm trying to be a fan but I'm not "feeling" the season decisions.
Posted by: Justboughtseasontix | Jun 19, 2012 7:31:32 PM
Jordan was a geography major...class of 86.....(not geology)
Posted by: Hector | Jun 19, 2012 7:41:06 PM
I bought season tickets this year. inexpensive and I get to see the Heat, OKC, Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Clipers, etc. You people are ridiculous. It is great to have an NBA team in Charlotte no matter how bad they are.
Posted by: James | Jun 19, 2012 8:28:01 PM
If this is the only guy that really WANTED the challenge then i say great move by the front office. I think his resume itself qualifies him at an entry level with an oportunity to grow. We are not the Lakers, were a small market team trying to build. Big name coaches are in it for the money more than the oportunity to get experience because they already have that. They want to win now! This guy might be the best fit. From what i have read he actually has something good to offer.
Posted by: nucat | Jun 19, 2012 8:39:54 PM
Not just George Karl. No way to know for a few years, but agree it is more about adding talent and player development, which is supposedly a strong suit. Remember, Larry Brown was a big name hire, Sam Vincent was a no name hire. Worked out the same.
Posted by: john | Jun 19, 2012 9:09:02 PM
Anyone remember Allan Bristow, coach of our one-time Hornets? He had a team of "no names" till we were bad enough to draft LJ and Zo.
Posted by: Walka | Jun 19, 2012 9:13:42 PM
...then we did right well for a couple years after. Patience people, patience!
Posted by: Walka | Jun 19, 2012 9:16:07 PM
Guys, relax! An exciting brand of basketball is what we need to consider. Certainly, this guy is from the George Karl tree and I'll take that. You ever the watch the Nuggets and think, "wow, that team is not super talented, but the players and system works." i'm encouraged with the hire. Now the fun begins...with the draft. I've said this before, butnwe have to strongly consider trading #2 and Walker to Golden State for Curry and the # 7, selecting Austin Rivers. Go hard in free agency for Nic Batum or Roy Hibbert. We have to improve backcourt IQ, shooting depth and percentage, and creativity, these guys can get it done. Batum gives us get length on the wing or Hibbert gives us inside scoring. I prefer the Batum acquisition. Think about this lineup: Curry, Rivers, Batum, Biyombo and Mullens. AmnestyDiop or Maggette. Trade Augustine for a late 1st and pick up a backup PG (Andre Miller) in free agency. Thoughts???
Posted by: NCtoCA | Jun 19, 2012 9:30:43 PM
Sorry Rick but I don't buy the "only talent wins" theory. A good coach and organization develops talent. Look at what San Antonio did with Danny Green this year, and George Hill last year, and Stephen Jackson before that. Look at what OKC has done with Westbrook and Harden - high picks sure, but there were serious questions about both of them - or Ibaka and Sefelosha. Good teams and coachees turn no names into good players and good players into great players by giving them an organization that develops them and clearly defined roles in which to develop. Charlotte basically lost a year of development time this year on Kemba, Bismack, Henderson and every other player on the roster. That is entirely Paul Silas' fault and the organization's fault that hired him. He had no business coaching in the NBA. From what Sam Amick reported today on SI.com, this was yet another case of Bobcat amateur hour as we yanked around a bunch of good coaches only to choose the cheapest available option. I don't know if Dunlap is a good coach but the Bobcats definitely crapped all over their already horrible reputation with this search. Clippers East.
Posted by: sfinsf | Jun 19, 2012 9:43:45 PM
has anyone seen new uniforms lately for Bobcats it is nice cooler than OKC
Posted by: vin | Jun 19, 2012 10:13:59 PM
Clippers East? That would be awesome.
Posted by: Jumbo | Jun 19, 2012 10:28:30 PM
Leave it to bootlicker Bonnell to attempt to rationalize this latest blunder from this team. What player is going to want to play for this nobody? $21 mil in cap space means nothing when you probably couldn't get Adam Morrison to sign to play for you.
Posted by: musicmax | Jun 19, 2012 10:30:12 PM
What I have seen of the new uniforms is very cool. Great colors. Much less orange and no Bobcats nickname that I can see. Step in the right direction.
Posted by: Spiderman | Jun 19, 2012 10:31:13 PM
Charlotte sports fans are the absolute worst, bandwagon, least knowledgeable NBA fans on the planet.
Posted by: Real Talk | Jun 19, 2012 10:35:33 PM
you deserve the worst team in NBA history.
Posted by: Real Talk | Jun 19, 2012 10:37:06 PM
Mike Dunlap should be fine, but acquiring young talent is the key. I'd suggest taking Harrison Barnes with the #2 pick and trading Magette plus Williams to Minnesota for Ridnour, Randolph and Webster on draft night. I'd also sign Goran Dragic during free agency to be our starting point guard and using Kemba as a combo guard on the second team. Tyrus should be kept and developed like everyone else under the new coaching staff.
Dragic Henderson Barnes Biyombo Mullens
Walker Webster Thomas Randolph
Ridnour Carroll Brown White Diop
Posted by: Larry | Jun 19, 2012 10:43:33 PM
i had similar reactions to Dunlap, but it seemed as he was the only one that WANTED the job.. Let's face it, it's not an easy job. 'Cats job is as attractive as OKC was 5 years ago. These guys need fundamentals and a teacher and that's what we get. Shaw and Sloan would be nice, but they were looking for something easier with an established core.
Point 2: so everyone is proposing all these trades.. get something for nothing trades that aren't realistic.. it's great talk, but not reality. Here's the fact.. 'Cats are rebuilding. So why go after Rudy Gay or established players. And retreating to Larry Brown days, which is blow up the roster, take on salary to put together a consistent #8 seed in the East. Which is 1 step out of the lottery. Why trade Kemba after 1 season? Keep Walker, Henderson, Thomas, Biyombo, & Mullens. See what a full-year of development with Dunlap will do.. Keep the cap space and only go after 1 or 2 year role players. Right now all we can hope for is a 20-win season.
Posted by: El Toro | Jun 20, 2012 10:24:00 AM
^^^^^ finally somebody that gets it.
I think augustin needs to be kept but only if he wants to be here and the price is right. We need to develop henderson/mullens/biyombo. Walker I'm not sold on at all as a starting pg, but I would love to keep him as the back up guard getting 30 mpg if he can get his shooting up. If we can get a lottery pick for him though, I'd do it.
The guy that said mullens name in the same sentence with thomas didn't watch much last year. Especially that 31 pt 14 rb game he had. And last year was basically his rookie yearr. Okc has so much success so young because those guys are 22/23 with 4 years of starting experience. Our guys just need that experience and we need a few more blue chippers. We have 5 blue chippers currently, no durant, but we have harden/ibaka/westbrook/perkins level talents that aren't developed. If we keep the pick at 2, we'll have another. Next year we'll probably get another if not 2.
Patience and support is what this team needs. Not trades for veterans.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 20, 2012 10:41:26 AM
I am open minded about the new coach and if he can develop our new players great.
Mullens, Bismack, Kemba, and Gerald are a good core. Draft Robinson definetly!!! or Beal. Trade some other players or cap space getting 1-2 year guy from someone for later 1st round pick.
We do that and finish near dead last again and hope for #1 lottery pick next year.
Also why amnesty anyone but Tyrus (or glass as he should be called). Diop and Cory gone after next year anyway.
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jun 20, 2012 12:12:19 PM
^^^^ The reason you would amnesty diop or maggette would be because you see a trade or free agent deal that would need the cap space to facilitate. it's not likely, but there could be a homerun scenario where we can actually move one of these guys along with the pick for something really meaningful. but it's not likely. but there are also deals where we could be absorbing a bad contract in exchange for young talent or a draft pick. we might need to amnesty one of the short term contracts instead of thomas to make it work.
You really want to let thomas redeem himself before you give up that much money for free. we really don't need his 8 million off the books that bad because after this year we have PLENTY of cap room. that's why you would amnesty diop or maggette to get through this year without being in the tax.
What happens with augustin is critical. Regardless of whether he's in the long term plans, he's an asset. he was a #9 pick. he's still better than walker and still very young. him being restricted this summer better lead to either an extension or a trade because if we don't make a decision either way this summer......i don't think he can be traded during the season (not sure if the rule on this changed in the new cba, but felton was in the same position) and he'll definitely walk next summer. I think he's the best player we have and he's suffered through being the pg with little to no help these past 2 years. he definitely hasn't been the problem so as long as the contract isn't astronimical, it's a no brainer to me.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 20, 2012 1:31:42 PM
Wow, MJ has yet to learn that basketball is played in other places besides Carolina. All of his moves have been influenced by trying to hire Carolina ballplayers or ex-coaches. This is another Carolina move, I guess he learned nothing from the Vincent debacle in hiring coaches with no pro coaching experience even if they have a Carolina connection.
As for these fantasy GM's who keep advocating these trades etc., What makes you think the Bobcats have anything of value to trade?
What is it with Walker? He's shorter than DJ, can't shoot as well as DJ, and can't pass as well as DJ. What makes you think that Walker will ever be a viable starter in the NBA? Its a wasted draft pick.
If they do not want to waste another top pick, then they should get the best big man available. Worry about star scorer second, secure the middle first.
Posted by: Superguru | Jun 20, 2012 1:52:01 PM
So you don't get the No. 1 pick and then hire a coach nobody has ever heard of. That will really create some buzz (no pun intended) and fan excitement for this team.
Posted by: Judd Hirsch Fan | Jun 20, 2012 3:17:18 PM
Adjustments to my plan for he Cats based on more reasearch:
Trade DJ Augustine and DJ White to Portland for picks #11 and #41. This might be a reach but since they have extra picks and need another PG (I see them losing Felton) this might work.
#2 -- PF Thomas Robinson
#11 -- PG Kendall Marshall
#31 -- SG Will Barton or John Jenkins
#41 -- C Miles Plumlee
Rookie FA -- PG Dee Bost and PF Banard James
I would still amnesty Diop just to open up a roster spot for a young player and go after Chris Kaman as a FA. He might be interested once he sees the new lineup.
Here would be the new lineup:
1 -- Kendall Marshall/Walker/Dee Bost
2 -- Henderson/Barton or Jenkins/Williams
3 -- Maggette/Thomas/Carroll
4 -- Robinson/Mullens/James
5 -- Kaman/Biyombo/Plumlee
That would be one heck of a makeover and I think very possible.
There are rumors the Cats are interested trading the #2 for James Hardin. I wouldn't do that unless it included the #28 draft pick too. Hardin could end up leaving after one year and then we would get burned - so we need more than just him for #2 and adding the #28 might not be enough
Posted by: Dom | Jun 20, 2012 4:23:59 PM
BTW - When you Amnesty someone you still have to pay them you just don't take the cap hit which is why you don't amnesty a player like Tyrus Thomas. Diop isn't going to play much anyway so he is the best option for Amnesty. At least there is a chance Thomas could rebound this year.
Posted by: Dom | Jun 20, 2012 4:29:03 PM
And another thing.... If we buy into the hype around Beal and draft him at #2 we must trade Henderson. Anybody you pick at #2 must be an automatic starter and Beal is best at SG - not PG....
Posted by: Dom | Jun 20, 2012 4:31:34 PM
rick, it really seems that you are in the cats' pocket. what kind of stories would the co be writing if the panthers hired a non top 25 college football assistant who was coaching in jr. college 12 years ago? just a totally different
level of scrutiny.
Posted by: blackkat | Jun 20, 2012 5:08:54 PM
T-Rob is the guy we need. I don't think people realize how much Boris hurt the team by checking out last season, especially with TT coming in weak. A strong LJ type presence will go a long way in changing the direction of this team.
Henderson, Williams, Carroll
Biyombo, Mullens, Diop
Add a few role players with the 31st pick and FA. 2013 season Maggette and Diop come off the books, we add more lottery picks and amnesty TT if he doesn't improve.
Posted by: apauldds | Jun 20, 2012 5:28:08 PM
Dom, seriously dude......kaman? stop. dude will turn 31 this season. we are rebuilding. we just drafted our starting center last year. he's still only 19 and finished 8th in the nba last year playing in 23 mpg. Everything about biyombo will improve over the next few years.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 20, 2012 7:58:46 PM
*8th in blocks
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 20, 2012 10:13:49 PM
Stay away from Dee Bost who some regular know nothing poster who posts all this crap obv is pushing.
Bost is just some dinky small countryfried local yocal townie with little talent and def not NBA material.
Posted by: miami heat fan | Jun 21, 2012 7:48:30 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Anything the Bobcats do will draw scrutiny.....
Posted by: theRealJD | Jun 21, 2012 9:57:28 AM
Miami Heat Fan - there is nothing wrong with bringing Dee Bost in as an UNDRAFTED free agent.... If he is bad they can just cut him.
Posted by: Dom | Jun 21, 2012 10:07:02 AM
Charlottean - I like Biyombo a lot long term but I think adding Kaman as the starter for a couple seasons would allow Bismack to grow (mentally and perhaps physically) with less pressure. If Mullens and Biyombo get stronger in the offseason and improve a lot on the basics (screening, blocking out and position defense) then maybe they are our starting PF and C but unless that happens we need a couple new guys in the mix (Thomas Robinson and Chis Kaman).
Posted by: Dom | Jun 21, 2012 10:22:15 AM
I just read the Cavs really want Beal and the Hornets traded up to #3 to get him too since they expect to lose Gordan.
So the Cats have a major choice to make now.
Here are a few options:
1) Draft Beal and trade Henderson to the Hornets for the #10 pick. If you think Beal is the next Wade you have to make a move like this one...
2) Draft Beal and trade Henderson to Portland for #11 pick
3) Draft Beal and trade Henderson to Cleveland for picks #24 and #35
5) Keep Henderson and trade #2 pick to Cleveland for picks #4 and #24 which they can then use to draft Thomas Robinson (Hornets won't draft two PFs) and John Jenkins or another shooter? I guess they could also offer a package of DJ Augustine and pick #24 to move back up to like 14 and draft Kendall Marshall too...
Posted by: Dom | Jun 21, 2012 10:57:15 AM
I am dissappointed to see Plumlee and James moving up draft boards. A month ago we could have had them both as rookie free agents. I don't see drafting Plumlee at #31 so i think we are going to miss out on him and James unless we get another second round pick or two. I have seen Plumlee going as high as #35. Coach K fell in love with the three point shot - which was validated with the 2010 title - but that really forced Miles to be fourth options on offense and sometimes fifth. I think this underminded Duke the last two years. Why live and die by the three when you could have established a solid low post game around Miles and Mason??????
Posted by: Dom | Jun 21, 2012 11:17:31 AM
The only viable big man the Cats have at this time is Byombo and he is only 6'8" at best. They need beef and plenty of it. Get the best big man in the middle that they can. Draft no player less than 6'11" at number 2. Between Leonard, Drummond, Moultrie, Melo, and Plumlee somebody can anchor that middle for us! Solve that problem, then get a shooter and a "real" point guard (not another non-shooting, non-passing, non-defending munchkin like Walker).
Posted by: Superguru | Jun 21, 2012 11:28:54 AM
dang.... Plumlee is now a late first rounder based on this mock draft:
They are saying he was taller than listed at Duke and had a 40+ inch vertical jump...
Posted by: Dom | Jun 21, 2012 11:30:30 AM
well i like Harrison Barnes so far he has ice in his vein which is beneficial to the new coach and his teammates. Other option is pretty much Beal Or Robinson.
It doesn't seem that MKG even wants to go here which is sad i mean he wants to be with either John Wall or Irving.
I don't mind Robinson here but i love me barnes to strike it from down down with hands on his face.
Posted by: vin | Jun 21, 2012 9:58:08 PM
Mike make it happen Barnes wants to be here and he's good no debate.
His shooting is better than MKG whose shooting stance isn't even right.
Barnes can post a bit but with practice he can be maybe like KoBE.
We need people to score for fans to watch not another project. Man Barnes is athletic and he took the workout seriously.
Posted by: vin | Jun 21, 2012 10:05:21 PM
This dude just called barnes matt carroll redux.
That's like calling anthony davis ryan hollins the sequel.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 21, 2012 11:47:14 PM
No update on mullens missing the olympics due to injury and/or naturalization issues? thanksss. Awesome.
Y'all probably call him shavlick randolph redux at the office.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 22, 2012 1:17:19 AM
PLEASE STOP CALLING BIYOMBO A CENTER.
Posted by: Funky | Jun 22, 2012 2:00:59 AM
^^^ ? He calls himself a center, he plays like a center and while he lacks ideal center height, he has ideal center length. the only difference is biyombo is 19 and dwight howard is 26. Howard's body has matured physically and has a ton of pounds of muscle on biyombo.
Dwight Howard is 6'10.25 with a7'4.5 wingspan and 9'3.5 reach.
Biyombo is 6'9.5 with a 7'6 wingspan and 9'3.5 reach.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, calls itself a duck, and has the same wingspan as most elite duck, it's probably a duck.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 22, 2012 10:14:56 AM
i forgot to refer to biyombo as george zidek redux.
and dwight howard as the 2nd coming of john salley.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 22, 2012 6:25:38 PM
Charlottean; your analysis is usually spot on, but you explained the exact reason why BB is not a '5' in your post: Not enough weight.
For now he needs to be at the '4' as much as possible.
Posted by: Funky | Jun 23, 2012 1:37:53 AM
^loser waterfem writing an idiot book driveling to herself about losers? jeezzzzzz
So what the hell was the drunk Parker idiot doing in a strip joint hanging with drunk rappers anyway and he wants to sue the Club for 20 mill? Where do these big headed dumbass morons get their logic? Did the Beason or Lewis affair not teach him a lesson?
What a bunch of lowlifes ...
Posted by: more strip joint prob for pros | Jun 23, 2012 9:48:27 AM
I believe dwight weighed 240 at his combine and biyombo 245. You can't play a guy out of position until he gains the weight that comes with age and then all of a sudden change. Let him learn how to be crafty in the post playing underweight. When he adds the weight, he could be dominant.
There's a certain level of dunk-on-anybody that biyombo is able of that when he harnesses.....his offense won't look so meager. Dude was def worth the 7 pick especially given the dedication to improvement he's shown.
Definitely george zidek redux.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2012 11:12:45 AM
The dumbest dam fans in the NBA......my Charlotte fans......stfup!
Posted by: pearly gates | Jun 23, 2012 1:49:30 PM
I love Biyombo and would have picked him even higher than 7 if necessary; the guy needs to get some experience, age, and weight before going to the 5 as a starter, though-
Posted by: Funky | Jun 24, 2012 2:04:12 AM
you want him not to be the starting 5 until he gets more experience.......kinda contradictory don't you think? think about how much better he's going to be this year witha full offseason of coaching.
I can't wait for summer league (assuming he and some others are playing. walker really needs to)
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 25, 2012 9:19:39 AM
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