July 24, 2012
Bobcats' Gordon trade draws positive reviews
One of the pluses of spending 10 days at the Las Vegas summer league is you network with people you hardly see the rest of the year: Coaches, scouts, general managers, other media. There’s time to chat because everyone isn’t rushing to catch a plane to the next game.
I heard a lot of impressions from a variety of sources, but here’s the one that resonated: People were impressed what a good deal the Charlotte Bobcats got, acquiring Ben Gordon and a protected first-round pick for Corey Maggette.
The Detroit Pistons’ motivation for moving Gordon was obvious: They rid themselves of $14.7 million in salary obligation over the next two seasons (the $1.5 million difference in Maggette’s and Gordon’s salaries this coming season, plus the $13.2 million player option Gordon will undoubtedly exercise for 2013-14).
But here’s what I heard again and again: Gordon is younger, healthier, coming off a better season statistically, and fills a screaming need the Bobcats had for 3-point shooting. So, why. I kept hearing, did the Pistons have to compensate the Bobcats with a first-round pick to make this swap?
I assume the Pistons were just that motivated to clear some payroll, knowing their future rides on re-signing Greg Monroe and Jason Maxiell down the road. In any case, it’s not often I hear such consistent positive reviews of a Bobcats trade.
Since I haven’t seen a ton of Gordon the past couple of seasons, I asked scouts their perceptions: I heard that he won’t play much defense and he doesn’t have the ballhandling to be more than a-few-possessions-a-game point guard. But he’ll attack as a scorer in just the way no Bobcat did consistently last season. And he’ll stretch defenses with his 3-point shooting (42 percent last season) in the way new coach Mike Dunlap identified as a top need.
Some other thoughts, post-summer league:
--I was mildly surprised the Bobcats didn’t use the amnesty clause to free up more cap space, but once Kris Humphries and Antawn Jamison chose to go elsewhere, there wasn’t the same imperative for room to sign players. I’ll be curious if Gana Diop ($7.3 million-plus) and Matt Carroll ($3.5 million) become trade chips as expiring contracts.
--Rookie Jeff Taylor, taken 31st overall, might end up being the most cost-effective draft pick in Bobcats history, particularly if his 38 percent 3-point shooting from summer league is indicative of his skills. The guy defends and he can play either small forward or shooting guard. They Bobcats look pretty deep at the wing spots.
--I get why some of you were frustrated with Kemba Walker shooting 35 percent at summer league. But that isn’t the only pertinent statistic: Over 158 minutes, he took 36 trips to the foul line and made 29 assists. He played more like a point guard – penetrate, and either get himself fouled or find an open teammate – than at any time his rookie season.
--Did Byron Mullens miss a bunch of 3-pointers at summer league? Sure did. But I liked him grabbing 29 rebounds in 131 minutes. Also he was more engaged defensively – particularly in the pressing defenses Dunlap has installed – than he was last season.
--I ran into Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle in an Italian restaurant, and he went out of his way to say Brendan Haywood will work out well for the Bobcats. Carlisle said Haywood is a good teammate who will play hard so long as you accept his limitations. Sounds a lot like Kwame Brown, who worked out well here that one season.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 24, 2012 at 11:15 AM | Permalink
Lots of positive things in this article... but I guess there is only one way to go for the worst team in NBA history.
Posted by: Mike | Jul 24, 2012 12:05:58 PM
Thanks for all of the information, that is interesting stuff. I am not sure being compared to Kwame Brown is very complementary to Haywood!
Posted by: Jame Reed | Jul 24, 2012 12:06:01 PM
Good read Rick. I have not been disappointed in one move the Cats have made since Cho has joined us. It seems we are always in the driver's seat of any negotiation and we are finally being recognized for something positive across the league. Let's keep this up and hopefully this franchise has much brighter days ahead.
Posted by: Proud Season Tix Holder | Jul 24, 2012 12:13:41 PM
Why would a rebuilding team trade for 14 million a year contract of an undersized guard that plays no defense if they are not giving up at least a 1st round pick? And no other team was willing to do that. Why would Bobcats. That's the reason pistons did it since they wanted to get rid of the contract. We bought a 1st round pick for 14 million. Usually a 1st round pick is sold aat about 4 million. So it was a steep cost. but Gordon provides some scoring this team needs. So it met both team's needs. Detroit got what it wanted. Charlotte got what it wanted. There is no mystery there.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 24, 2012 12:16:43 PM
Everybody knows this was a good trade, just like we all know Rich Cho was a good hire. But what we all don't know is why Rod Higgins is STILL here. Higgins was with Jordan in Washington and here in Charlotte, and I still don't know what is on this guys resume' that allows him to continue to be a GM in this league.
Posted by: Smitty | Jul 24, 2012 12:21:03 PM
Now what do the scouts say about that trade for Tyrus Thomas??
The Bobcats first round pick will be better than any Piston first rounder
Posted by: Scott Silverstein | Jul 24, 2012 12:24:47 PM
BOY I TELL YOU, CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY. PEOPLE ALWAYS EXPECT EVERYTHING TO GO RAINBOWS AND FLOWERS AND FROM SEED TO GRASS IN A DAY.. GO BOBCATS/GO PANTHERS. A TEAM IN ITS LOW NEEDS POSITIVE ENERGY NO MATTER WHO IS PLAYING. THIS IS WHY CHARLOTTE HAS A HARD TIME WITH THEIR HOMETOWN TEAMS. CLEVELAND BROWNS AND CLIPPERS WERE SORRY FOR SO LONG. (CLEVELAND STILL IS) BUT THEIR CITY WAS BEHIND THEM NO MATTER WHAT.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU CANT STAND BY A TEAM AT THEIR LOWEST. DONT COME RUNNING AROUND AT THEIR HIGHEST. THEY DONT NEED FAKE FANS. THEY NEED REAL FANS.
Posted by: PANTHERSFAN4LIFE | Jul 24, 2012 12:26:14 PM
Because he got to the line doesn't defend the poor quality shots kemba took, nor his inability to make em. Advanced statistics account for that and last I checked, 45% true shooting % wasn't getting anybody in the top 15 in nba pg's. Mario chalmers clocked like 58% in real nba games last year. 78% on free throws doesn't help either. It's summer league and he's supposed to be separating himself from the pack. He didn't face any nba guards head on and he's supposed to be our starter.
5.8 assists in 31.6 mpg in summer lleague isn't exactly a bragging point. He leads summer league in assists because nobody is passing the ball and nobody is playing those kind of minutes.
I want to be less hard on the guy, but the shots he takes are atrocious and he doesn't make many either. And he's not even an elite free throw shooter. Name one thing kemba does REALLY well on an nba llevel.
Lets offer some better perspective....augustin put up 20 a game on 56% shooting AS A ROOKIE in summer league. That made him 2 years younger and less experienced than walker and he dominated the competition in vegas. And he played against better guards that year too.
There is no defending walker. We set d.j. up to fail and then picked the wrong guy at choosing time. We would have been better off trading walker for a pick and getting marshall or even wrotens or anybody. Or even waiting until next year and riding sessions until then.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2012 12:43:18 PM
THANKYOU panthersfan4life!!!!!!! Panther/bobcat Pride!!!!!! Where are all the 'true' fans at?!
Posted by: jmac1lion | Jul 24, 2012 12:48:45 PM
Yes the jury is still out on Kemba...let's give him this season to develop...Gordon will be a nice scoring option but the one name everybody seems to overlook in every post and article is Gerald Henderson. I think he and MKG can do great things on both ends of the floor this year. Gerald was the best player on the squad last year with very good potential and I expect him to excel this year. I'd be disappointed if he doesn't if he doesn't raise his game a notch this year. He is our sleeper. Somebody has to be the leader, it's Gerald's for the taking.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 24, 2012 12:55:04 PM
Charlotteon, I was with you until you said trade Walker for Kendall MArshall......
Posted by: TheREALJD | Jul 24, 2012 1:06:45 PM
Rick, any update on the discussions with Carl Landry? Also, Charlottean, thanks again for your sunshine! Suppose you have Derrick Rose's stats from summer league too and how awesome he was from 3? Also, the stats you gave for DJ...those were in his second year of summer league, correct? I personally look past the stats in games like this. Kemba's problem was playing too fast and out of control. With time he'll work through the kinks. He will never be a great perimeter shooter but will be servicable mid-range.
Posted by: Get Real! | Jul 24, 2012 1:09:06 PM
Watched all the Bobcat summer league games and Kemba looked bad against a bunch of unknowns. In the half court he cannot penetrate up the middle at all, he has to loop back out and try from the sides and then either chucks or dumps to somebody for a jumper which if it goes in counts as an assist. Does he ever get anybody the ball where they like it or does he just pass when he runs out of options? The trips to the line are misleading just a bunch of agressive rookies trying to impress and foul rather easily. He can get his little streaks but then disappears, better at a sixth man coming off the bench.
Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Jul 24, 2012 1:19:16 PM
championshipss said: "Higgins was with Jordan in Washington and here in Charlotte, and I still don't know what is on this guys resume' that allows him to continue to be a GM in this league."
well friend, Higgins is not a GM, Cho is. As for Higgins, he and Mike were teammates in Chicago. Friendship counts for something. Half of pro sports is built and populated by friends or relatives.
Come to think of it, most jobs come because of someone you know, not what you know.
Posted by: qdog112 | Jul 24, 2012 1:34:38 PM
You were surprised? Get a clue dude. MJ is way too cheap to EVER use the amnesty clause...it just ain't happening.
If Gordon "won’t play much defense" he's not going to play much for Coach Dunlap.
Kemba will regress this year, sophmore slump, write it down. He's going to get dominated this year. Worst starting point guard in the league. Not even the best point guard on the BOBcats, Sessions should start.
Posted by: George Hanson | Jul 24, 2012 1:38:15 PM
The Bobcats shop off of the bargain rack or at a thrift store, while the rest of the league gets players from Nordstroms. There is no pe-zaaz to this team at all. Zero. Ben Gordon, really? He was a good five years ago, but now he's just Joe Schmo.
Sigh. I really hope these draft picks work out. We need a miracle to be exciting any time in the next three seasons.
Posted by: Neil | Jul 24, 2012 1:40:35 PM
Really? The Pistons' future "rides on" resigning a 29-year-old who just came off a 6-5-1 season?
And yes, there is ABSOLUTELY reason to be concerned about Walker. He's too small to defend, he can't shoot, and he can't (or won't) distribute. That's not going to cut it as a starting point guard in the NBA.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 24, 2012 2:13:41 PM
Boy...lots of negative Ned's on here. I'll choose to ignore them for the time being. These are the same guys who would find a problem with hitting the lottery (too many taxes).
Now, to my positive Bobcats fans-- Yes, Kemba has weaknesses. He was never a true PG and without camp last season he didnt get a chance to properly develop. Dont let summer league play make you lean one way or the other as most of those guys will be on a roster or playing much when the season starts. This goes for the Cats and the opponents as well so..it is what it is.
Ben Gordon may not even be a 3rd tier player but his skills are what this team needs. He can stretch the defense and is a 4th quarter stud. Maybe he cant run a team they way we'd like and he is not Bruce Bowen on defense but how many really good defenders are there at the guard position today? Not many..so often you hear ppl say "so and so doesnt play defense". Maybe its just the fact that the offensive players are really skilled and much like the NFL, the rules are slanted in favor of the offense.
The frontcourt will be an issue, unless Tyrus gets his head outta you know where and plays to his "potential". Haywood is solid but not spectacular. We just need the big body to bang and grab boards bc Mullens hasnt shown that he likes to get his hands dirty. Would love to see Carl Landry here to provide more scoring up front but we'll see...dont wanna get my hopes up again for nothing.
I was hoping to see Diop or Tyrus amnestied but as Rick pointed out, teams will be looking to acquire guys in their contract year so they may be movable to bring some assets back.
Loving Coach Dunlap so far...looking forward to 30-35 wins this year. Hey, gotta start somewhere
Posted by: D.R.Universal | Jul 24, 2012 2:29:03 PM
MKG MKG MKG MKG MKG MKG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 24, 2012 2:45:15 PM
championshipss - you completely missed it. We didn't give up a first-round pick. We got the $14 million contract AND a first-round pick. Frankly, I don't see Detroit becoming a perenial playoff team any time soon. Once the protection expires, we should be near playoff contention and then we'll have an extra lottery pick, which will make up for the pick we will lose from the Thomas trade.
I think I know why we didn't amnesty anyone. Didn't use it on Carroll because he will be trade bait if his shot comes back. We're still holding out hope that Thomas will work out. And Diop is going to drop dead from exhaustion by the 5th day of training camp.
Posted by: J | Jul 24, 2012 2:55:28 PM
Rick, good article.
But did anything bad happen? I worry that you are going from a very fair, unbiased team reporter last year to not so much this season...
Posted by: Fast Freddie | Jul 24, 2012 2:56:14 PM
Good article as always, Rick. I hope you didn't hurt Rick Carlisle too bad when you ran into him....
Posted by: Colby | Jul 24, 2012 3:14:27 PM
Rebuilding takes time. There is no need to spend big money on average players to play us out of a top 3 draft pick. Need to keep bombing
Posted by: Spaceman Mike | Jul 24, 2012 3:21:28 PM
J.. you must be real high on something. Of course Bobcats did not give up 1st rounder to pay for 14 mil a year to Gordon.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 24, 2012 3:23:23 PM
My concern with the probably starting lineup is that Kemba, MKG, and Henderson are not shooters and Mullens likes to primarily take outside shots. That means a lot of drives with few rebounds. I'd like to see them sign Landry but understand if they wait a year to make a big free agency splash. I did like the Haywood grab even if he just clogs the lane on defense. We don't have it otherwise.
Posted by: buckshot jenkins | Jul 24, 2012 4:14:53 PM
So here is what I found interesting in the Summer league...
1- ADAM MORRISON
That dude played well for the Clippers. Maybe he is finally going to do something.
2- I wanted the Cats to trade the #2 pick to Houston for picks 12, 14 and 18 and then draft Terrance Jones, Moe Harkless and Miles Plumlee or Fab Melo. Jones and Plumlee had great summer leagues while Harkless and Melo were ok.
3- MKG played one game... then he got hurt.
Posted by: Dom | Jul 24, 2012 4:47:00 PM
JD, I took it too far. I said marshall because lillard probably wasn't an option straight up for walker. marshall is probably on par with walker though. not a defender, but a distributor. better size too. both horrible shooters, yet marshall managed to make more 3's in summer league.
That was from augustin's ROOKIE summer league. the one where he came out of college after his sophomore year. and shot 50% from 3's. DJ shoots better in pro games than walker does in summer league. they've done a lot of good things this summer but not resigning DJ in favor of kemba set us back another year in the rebuild. Instead of being 1 big piece away, we're 2 big pieces away. Again.
this gordon trade was a solid move, I said so the second they made it. detroit's pick is lottery protected this year but top 8 the following and top 2 the following. highly likely we are picking top 10 2 years from now on detroit's pick while we have a playoff team. that will give us a lot of ammo to become a contender.
i don't see detroit making the playoffs in the next 3 years.......not over miami, new york, indiana, jersey, cleveland, boston (unless they blow it up), philly, chicago, etc.
they have greg monroe and brandon knight, but they are young and drummond is REALLY young and they don't have anybody else except maybe jerekbo. lot of other overpaid guys or tayshaun prince who desperately needs to go play for the lakers or clippers or something.
drafting MKG looks to be a good move although I'm still hot we didn't get another pick and slide down and get him at 4 or even 3 and save some money. washington wasn't going to take another 3 and cleveland wanted beal. but the player is good, we just didn't get optimum value at 2.
sessions for DJ was horrible. and more expensive. just horrible.
haywood on waivers was solid as long as he's playing 20 mpg or less. i don't want to see him playing starters minutes instead of biyombo or mullens.
taylor was a homerun of a pick at 31. He and MKG and hendo should get basically all of the minutes at the 2 and 3...permanently. gordon should only play if someone gets hurt or foul trouble or something. I know that won't happen but it should.
letting brown go was probably the right thing to do.
hiring dunlap looks like an absolute homerun for a rebuild.
so negative? only about walker/sessions vs. augustin. everything else I'm on board with. but they seriously dropped the ball there. instead of having the ~15th best pg, we have the ~35th. and his flaws aren't very fixable. trying to change a man is a female trait.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2012 5:06:28 PM
Charlottean writes a lot...man nobodys reading all that garbage on here. Get over it they got rid of dj and picked kemba. Augustine is average.
Posted by: c | Jul 24, 2012 5:15:27 PM
walker is below average.
I'm over the fact they effed up. They will surely replace it with another eff up in a week. They are habitual eff ups.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2012 5:38:54 PM
I will give Walker another year. I like the way he played at summer league.
Posted by: Trex | Jul 24, 2012 6:00:20 PM
charlottean ..you're stuck on mud. Kemba might not be the point guard of the future....but...DJ has proven over the years that he definitely isn't it. No freakin way they should have kept him for 7 mil a year. DJ turned down a decent contract and signed for 1 year for less money. Get over it dude...and houston wasn't going to give up all that for #2
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 24, 2012 7:06:05 PM
Actually, Charlottean's assessment of Walker is on point, and he backs it up. The only thing that he forgot to throw in there is that Kemba is TOO SHORT to defend almost any other '1' in the league. The guy better get his game up fast or he's going to be recognized as the weak link on both sides of the ball two months into the season.
Posted by: Downtown Sports | Jul 24, 2012 9:05:49 PM
MJ is too cheap to use the amnesty clause, but spends 13 million to take on Gordon for an extra first round pick? If he is not using the amnesty claude it is not becaue he is cheap. That is just ignorant.
Posted by: Spiderman | Jul 24, 2012 9:06:09 PM
I neverr once heard anyone say they offered 7 a year. And his QO was 4 and change. They renounced his rights. They could have essentially forced him to sign the QO and reassessed later. Instead they gave more money to sessions.
Augustin didn't prove he wasn't the guy. He had a SOLID rookie season. He had a weak second year on a playoff team, and then he had a SOLID year in 2010 amid a lot of change. He put up 14 and 6. Last year sucked but he was the only guy on the floor at the beginning of the year and then he got hurt when hendo and maggette came back. He's 24. You don't give up on 24 year old top ten draft picks who have shown a ton of promise and aren't a locker room cancer especially when you are rebuilding and the alternative is kemba walker. You just don't do that.
Mike conley was given 40 million for doing the same thing with less potential upside. Jameer nelson got big money. Dragic got big money. It hurts us big time asset wise by not overpaying augustin. And we didnt even have to. 4 And a half million for one year. And we let him walk for free.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2012 10:52:23 PM
Charlotteans post on KEMBA is brilliant. The game before the last SL game KEMBA got in the paint and dished. The problem is he has no intention of dishing whc is obvious in most games he plays. He's too short to see what options he has in the pick and roll and not enough lift to finish at the rim. You can't teach the pt gd position onnthe fly ESP if there is no will to do it.
Sessions will make this team go. He will make plays on the break, lobs , hit guys cutting and work the pick and roll. Henderson and MKG will look like superstars in this system ESP w the uptempo game Dunlap has installed . The Cats must still get a low block posting up pf who can pass outta double teams too. They will win 30 games then ... For sure.
Posted by: Ironman | Jul 24, 2012 11:08:12 PM
The other problem is Biz. He's awkward and has poor fundamentals so his growth is slow . He's a terrible on ball defender due to his poor lateral movement. Yes a good shot blocker and weak side helper but wHat good is it if you fumble the ball away 4 times a game and let your man score a quarter the posessions his opponent has the ball. The guys to pick at 7 should be NBA ready. Morris or Faried were better picks at 7 and will be way better pros. This be patient stuffis garbage for a high lottery pick. At best Biz is a long term project w little true upside once you factoring his weaknesses.
Posted by: Ironman | Jul 24, 2012 11:17:07 PM
Jeff Taylor and Sessions were great pickups for the Bobcats. Kemba is a backup point guard at best.
Posted by: Jon | Jul 25, 2012 2:29:13 AM
Biz is 19. Talk to me in two more years. The way he works, in 2 years he fan accomplish a lot.
Posted by: Spiderman | Jul 25, 2012 7:46:41 AM
I am disappointed we didn't see better of biz inn summer league, but his offense has severely improved in short time. Defensively, he won't be able to guard anyone on ball until he adds bulk. He'll be fine and worth the 7 spot. Faried was the anomaly of the draft, biz will no question be better than the morrises in the long run. You can't teach what he has but you can teach what he ddoesn't. And he's a worker.
Free throws and post moves already look better. He'lll get there.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2012 8:04:22 AM
DJ couldn't hold Kemba's jockstrap when it comes to running the point. Kemba is faster with a much better ball handle and after a full preseason with Dunlap and this offense he will do great for a second year player. All you Kemba haters are making DJ sound like he was D. Rose when he played here. I have news for you-he wasn't and he already hit his ceiling while playing for us.
Posted by: Proud Season Tix Holder | Jul 25, 2012 8:14:43 AM
Good stuff Rick! Pretty big difference, going from having an owner like Cuban laughing in his local paper about taking us in a trade (Chandler) to getting congratulations. Since Cho we've seen a remarkable turnaround in how the perception is of other teams in regards to us.
This offseaon in particular. It appears we've gotten 2 excellent rookies in both MKG & Taylor.
BTW, MKG would have been taken by the Cavs if we'd have traded back; we get him ONLY if we stayed at #2. We would also have had to give up the 31st to get the 17th...and I don't know that who we selected there would have been better than Taylor. IMO Cho did exactly the right thing.
Letting DJ go was the right move. His salary expectations were WAY more than he thought (see his new deal) and he just flat didn't want to be here. Sessions is a much better fit to backup Kemba.
Speaking of Kemba, he got very good reviews from SL pundits (funny how that seems to go against "conventional wisdom" on here...) and Dunlap (yet another great move) will actually teach him how to play unlike Silas.
We still won't win a lot of games this year but I think we'll be much more competitive and fun to watch.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 8:48:49 AM
What Spectre said.
Posted by: apauldds | Jul 25, 2012 10:51:28 AM
What's with the DJ love, it's like he was the 2nd coming of CP3 or Steve Nash. It's bad when the best stats that DJ lovers produce is from SL for an NBA with 4yrs experience. DJ didn't want to be here and he's a backup.
For the kemba haters, give him another year. Heck you gave DJ 4yrs of average to below-average production and still wanted to see more of that. Seriously. I would rather take a high-energy guy with leadership and isn't afraid to shoot. A PG should distribute, but shouldn't be afraid to shoot and take the team on his back if things are working out (see Westbrook). DJ was not that. This is still a developing team and as such growing pains are and should be expected.
Posted by: El Toro | Jul 25, 2012 10:54:31 AM
Anybody saying walker is a better point guard than augustin clearly never watched the 2 play. Walker has a better handle now? Somebody might want to look again.
I am more than willing to give walker 2 more years, but when a guy can't separate himself in summerleague, he's not a starting pg. It's different for a guy like biz who is 19 and is 6-9. Walker is like 5-10 and 22. It's the stuff you can't change about him. Shot selection instincts of pass vs. Shoot, too much dribbling, etc. He won't change that stuff. We should have had augustin here to run the offense and kemba to score and provide energy off the bench.
As for derrick rose, if augustin got drafted to chicago instead, he'd look a lot more like rose. We failed at developing him. He had the skills and the pedigree. We failed. Just like we have with all of our picks.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2012 11:28:09 AM
"As for derrick rose, if augustin got drafted to chicago instead, he'd look a lot more like rose. We failed at developing him. He had the skills and the pedigree. We failed. Just like we have with all of our picks."
LOL I'm not even going to respond to that one. Suffice to say if any other team felt like that we could have traded him for something (anything!) or he'd have gotten a better offer than a 1 year 3.5 million.
DJ is shy. He doesn't even try on defense. Kemba is a leader and at least works at D. We know we weren't going anywhere with the 1st guy so it's time to see what we got in the 2nd one.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 11:48:11 AM
BTW...Kemba is TALLER than DJ.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 11:49:22 AM
DJ didn't prove himself as the "point guard of the future" for the 'Cats, and anyway, he didn't want to stay here.
Kemba, indeed, is less good than DJ: less good as a shooter and as a playmaker.
But, signing Ramon Sessions was a very good move. As long as they just let him start, we are better at PG.
My only concern is that, in the name of developing Kemba, and also, in order not to feel like fools for wasting a lottery pick (9th) on a bench player (which is what Kemba should be in the NBA), they'll start Kemba, and Sessions won't play all the minutes he should be playing, to lead the team. That would be a waste of his talent, and more losses for the team.
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 25, 2012 12:33:44 PM
You have to look at what's possible to gain.
Starting Sessions "might" get us a few more wins...which might make us move us to 25th worst team vs. 28th/30th. Starting Kemba AND giving him all the chances to succeed "might" give us a PG for the future.
To me that choice is a no brainer.
Besides, I'm curious to see how Dunlap deals with Sessions' supposedly disinterest in playing defense (I've read that there's debate on who's worse, him or DJ). I can't see that working so well with what our new "culture" is.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 1:30:49 PM
spectre, "if any other team felt like that" what you mean how every other team had him rated that high on their draft board as well? we're talking about NOW after we ruined his stock. AND restricted him to start free agency.
at this point kemba NEEDS to start. but eventually we will NEED to replace him. Sessions isn't going to be anything worth wasting PT on. he's just a solid backup plan to facilitate until we get our real PG.
walker is listed as 5'11.5 and augustin 5'10 per draft express (although augustin was younger at time of measurement). d.j. having the same wingspan and a taller reach. Everytime I've seen them side by side DJ looked at least 2 inches taller. I've met kemba twice and he was not as tall as me, I've met DJ once and looked him eye to eye. I'm 6'1. Regardless....
Point still holds true. you don't have size and you don't separate from the pack at summer league. Doesn't sound like something we need to wait on to figure out. he's not 19. he's 22 or 23. 3 year college guy. augustin was NOT great. but he was significantly better than kemba.
AS A POINT GUARD. not whatever it is that kemba is. he's good at that. but he's not a point guard.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2012 1:45:16 PM
I'll take the official measurements over an eye test (no offense)...and the numbers you gave were barefoot. They do play in shoes y'know!
But really, DJ just isn't worth the time to argue this. Sessions is an adequate replacement, and now is the perfect time to see what Kemba can be. If he works out then great; if not then we've really lost nothing.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 2:12:22 PM
What's with this big focus on SL? You think there's a big correlation btwn stats in SL and how they perform in an 82 game regular season? And to say Kemba "can't separate himself from the pack" is ludicrous. The kid had a friggin' triple double his rookie season! All you Kemba haters will be eating crow soon, just wait.
Posted by: Proud Season Tix Holder | Jul 25, 2012 2:14:53 PM
Posted by: Downtown Sports | Jul 25, 2012 2:36:45 PM
Sessions is 26 years old, just 4 years older than Kemba. He didn't reach yet his full potential, and he could be a keeper for pretty long time. I can agree that Kemba is trying hard to improve, but I don't think he has the potential to ever become better than DJ; that one, who they didn't care to keep.
I think that - if you compare what these PGs can achieve if given the full opportunity to continue developing as players - Sessions has higher ceiling than Walker in about every regard: playmaking, shooting, finishing at the rim, even defense; his size (3 inches over Kemba without shoes) helps, both on drives and in defense. I watched Kemba so many times, and what I see is a "poor man's Iverson", a small combo guard whose getting his assists usually on "drive and dish", but not a true point guard by nature, and also, not AI's caliber (just similar instincts and tendencies).
We'll see how they use these players. It seems to me that MJ got sick and tired of losing, and he wants the Bobcats to play winning basketball this season (even if that means just around 30 wins). In that case, I suppose Sessions will get starter's minutes, sooner or later. However, if they care about how high the 2013 lottery pick will be, more than about giving the fans a competitive team next season, then, I can see experimenting with Kemba as a starter throughout the season.
I hope very much this doesn't happen, because again, I don't think Kemba's potential is higher than future back-up PG in the best league in the world.
Proud STH, fans who criticize Walker are not "haters". We are fans who love this team, and we just call it as we see it.
This is being realistic, not "hateful".
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 25, 2012 2:40:29 PM
I have no doubt MJ is hating the losing, but to me 30 wins isn't "winning"; it's actually closer to what we wanted to get away from when we blew this sucker up. The FO has said repeatedly this process is about getting into contention, and there is no way we're doing that this year.
Since that is the case to me it makes much more sense to work on development right now. Some of us might think Kemba may never make it past 6th man ultimately, but right now we have the opportunity to know with very little if anything lost in the process.
Like I said...no brainer.
With the way we'll be playing I think everyone who buys in will get plenty of minutes anyway, so even the issue of who actually starts isn't probably that big of a deal.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 2:53:07 PM
Given the NBA salary floor of $49 million, and no additional free agents, it doesn't make sense to amnesty Diop or Carroll I guess.
Players may not yet want to come here in free agency, but I could see scenario where we add a productive player for Matt Carroll's expiring contract as other teams shed money for free agency.
Posted by: usc88 | Jul 25, 2012 2:59:59 PM
We're capped out. With Taylor's salary we're right at the 58 million with only the bi-annual & room exceptions (roughly 2 million/2.5 million per).
Short of a trade we won't be adding any bigger salaried players this year.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 25, 2012 3:26:24 PM
Our competition isn't "capped out"!
Guys like Dolan and Prokhorov are never capped out!!
Posted by: George Hanson | Jul 25, 2012 4:20:14 PM
DJ was let go because he clearly did not want to play in Charlotte. He was offered almost $6M/Year for 4 Years and a 5th Year option and he rejected the offer. He claimed he should be able to make at least $7-8M per year which is ridicoulos. Also, nobody wanted to trade for DJ, because it had to be a Sign-&-Trade and DJ was asking for too much money and a multi year deal. No team wanted to do that. So the Bobcats went and sign Ramon Sessions who is a clear upgrade and will most likely be the starting PG regardless of what anybody says.
Then the Bobcats let DJ go and DJ had no choice but to accept the Pacers offer because nobody was willing to offer him nothing more than the bi-annual axception ($1.9M). Kemba as a starting PG is more of a strategy to help him get some motivation and see if he has what it takes. If not, Sessions will start and Kemba will be a pretty good backup.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 25, 2012 5:08:39 PM
There is some chat in ESPN that the Bobcats can offer Landry more money, out of all the teams interested. Do you know anything about the Bobcats and Landry? He can easily compete for the starting PF spot which would make sense if indeed the Cats will allow Haywood to compete for the starting center spot.
A combination of Landry/Haywood (starting) and Mullens/Biyombo (off the bench) creates some solid defense/offense balance down low.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 25, 2012 5:12:03 PM
All money in the money wont help Dolan. he is capped out and it has nothing to do with money.
Posted by: Skip | Jul 25, 2012 7:33:16 PM
Kemba didn't seperate hmself in summer league? Made the all summer league team. How many on team?
Posted by: Davo | Jul 25, 2012 7:35:02 PM
rare time we agree so let's enjoy it. although I DO think sessions has maxed his potential. he's still young but he's been in 4 situations where he hasn't been able to even start. or OWN the starting job. he will have the occassional spectacular game (like walker) mixed in with a ton of mediocrity (where walker will be a ton of horrible 4 for 25 nights).
we didn't have to let augustin go though. we could have basically forced him to sign the QO like we did with felton and play the year out. he wanted 7-8 million because that's what dragic got, that's what lin got, that's what mike conley got, kyle lowry got 6 a year BEFORE he had the year he sort of had last year, jameer nelson just got MORE than 8 a year, devin harris got 10 a year. it's called market value. I think his agent saw something in indiana where he plays for a contender 1 year to prove his worth and lands a big contract next summer, as opposed to playing out the QO here and losing MORE value playing on a young team losing a lot of games. george hill got 8 a year. ty lawson is about to get 8 or 9 a year. the worst part about it.....is that we give that kind of money to thomas and diop and we don't to augustin.
we could have just kept him on the QO. we gave 10 million to sessions instead. you can't justify that. you can't. we would have had MORE cap flexibility for next summer (in which let me remind everyone that the supposed savior steph curry will be a restricted free agent since it doesn't appear his extension will get done). We would have been better off giving sessions 7 million on a 1 year deal.
We don't need landry. And we don't have money to give him. We don't gain ANYTHING by signing guys like that to THIS team. we WANT to lose this year but we want to get our young guys BETTER. ideally, we start and play walker/hendo/mkg/mullens/biyombo every game 30+ mpg each and we lose every game in overtime until the last 14 or so and we go into the offseason with a top 5 pick and momentum of a winning streak of some sort and 5 young guys with chemistry and upside (and let's throw jeff taylor in that group as well) and then hopefully we add a stud in the draft and have a chance at building something real going forward.
if we want to add a 4 at this point, we should try and bring back d.j. white for the minimum. him or najera.
we have some great trade chips over the next 2 years. diop, carroll, williams expiring contracts, then you have sessions and gordon next year, a slew of quality picks and haywoods contract will be VERY tradeable when his restriction comes up next july. 2 years 4 million for haywood? contenders looking to dump a salary and some picks can start calling now to make reservations for a solid backup center.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2012 8:01:59 PM
Charlottean, we certainly agree on Walker and on the comparison between him and Augustin.
I thought we also used to have a point of agreement on the basic idea that in this league some players are overrated, whereas others are usually underrated and don't seem to get a fair chance to fulfil their potential.
In my opinion, Sessions is in the latter category. He never got anything the easy way - unlike others, who were overhyped before even playing one game in the NBA, and then were patiently given, time and again, every chance to improve and succeed.
First, he's from a small time college, so he was drafted 56th only (hey, Ginobili was a 57th Draft pick!). Next, he was assigned to an NBDL team. When he finally was given a chance to play in the NBA, he showed an impressive playmaking ability: 7.5 apg in his rookie season in just 26.5 mpg. Since then, I was this player's fan, and I was actually hoping one day he'll become a Bobcat.
But, his minutes were always limited. Some seasons, he was behind a more experienced starter, who was preferred by the coaches (Luke Ridnour at the Bucks '08-'09, Mo Williams at the Cavaliers '10-'11). In other seasons, he was in teams who preferred to develop the rookie point guards they drafted (Jonny Flynn at Timberwolves '09-'10, then Kyrie Irving at the Cavaliers '11-'12).
This made sense in the case of Kyrie Irving and maybe, Mo Williams (who had been an All Star before), but not in the other two cases (Ridnour and Flynn).
So now, Kemba might get his chance to develop as a starter, in what might be a repeat of the Jonny Flynn experiment.
The only time when Sessions got 30 minutes per game was last season for the Lakers, and he played really well in the regular season. Not so good in the playoffs; in my opinion, that's because in playoffs you have to face much tougher defensive play, and this exposed the notorious weakness of Mike Brown's offense coaching.
Sessions' PG playing could only go so far in a poorly coached offense - even though he was playing along star players.
Anybody who didn't follow this player's NBA career closely might think I'm making a whole bunch of excuses for him.
Not so. Just let him start and get starter minutes, and his talent will definitely come to fruition.
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 26, 2012 12:59:48 AM
It's true, that's fair.
I think i would feel differently if augustin had been an unrestricted FA and we brought sessions in to be our starter for the long term. I know he's only 2 years older than DJ but that puts him significantly out of the age range of our remaining building blocks who are 19, 19, 23, 23, 22, 21. Could work out fine, but it just seems like a mismatch. Too young to mentor, little too old to be in the band.
We desperately need continuity in this franchise. With this surely being matt carroll's last year, they better resign hendo and mullens between now and next summer. We have PLENTY of money to spend on them. Front load the contracts.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 26, 2012 8:53:09 AM
Listen...the pt gd must pass the ball up the floor on the break and hit players cutting to the basket. On half CT sets ,he must get in the paint and dish even if he can make the layup. The pt gd must as well hit guys off back door cuts and lobs when opponents cheat up. I have not touched on one thing Walker can do or has done yet. This is not hating ...This is factual. He has no will to play the point . All he does is smile and shoot , over dribble,run down the shot clock so he can force up a shot.
Sessions will do all of the above and will start at some point. It's not fair to the rest of the team try to develop Walker during the season in games . . Send him to the D league for that.
Posted by: Ironman | Jul 26, 2012 9:10:01 AM
If we had forced DJ to sign the QO and play, as you said, it would be Felton 2.0 we would loose him for NOTHING. And although it could be perceived that is the same thing it happened, in papers we traded DJ for Ramon Session, who is clearly a better PG than DJ and got $5M per season.
All the PG you mentioned were clearly better that DJ, sign their contracts before the new CBA or were in unique situations. Dragic was by far the best PG avaliable, after D-Williams and perhaps Nash, plus he is WAY BETTER than DJ and bigger. Lin is all about the Marketing, Houston (Post-Yao)and New York (Big Chinese Community) were the ONLY teams willing to do that because of Marketing reasons, period. Jameer was signed in an effort to lure Dwight and the guy was an All-Star 2 years ago. Devin Harris was also an All-Star when he signed his contract. Lowry actually plays some defense and is way stronger.
DJ, at his best was never a Top 15 PG in this league. Now, I liked DJ and I think he was better than Kemba, but given the circumstances, the Bobcats needed the Cap space to sign a better PG in Sessions and that what they did. Next summer, there will be no real PG's avaliable other than CP3, who is NOT coming to Charlotte. The Cats basically traded DJ for the rights to sign Sessions, I think that was a good move.
Otherwise, just like with Felton, DJ would have walked away at the end of the season and we would be stuck with ONLY Kemba. Also, keeping DJ in the hopes to trade him at the deadline would have been a risk, because the bobcats would have no leverage. Teams knew DJ wanted to leave and they could get him at the end of the summer. Also, he is not a Star, so is not like the demand was too high.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 26, 2012 9:55:42 AM
None of those guys are better than DJ. They might have been in better situations playing with dirk or dwight howard or in dragic and lin's case have very small success. Mike conley I don't know why they gave him 40 mil but d.j. is right in line will all of those guys and younger than most. He just played for one of the worst organizations.
If we told augustin we would restrict him for the year, he would be forced to sign an offer sheet OR sign the QO. In most cases, he's going to sign whatever extension we put in front of him at that point. If we lose him next year we have cap room. Instead, we have 5 million less next year and sessions isn't our long term solution there. I'm not sure of the exact trade restrictions regarding players playing on the QO but I think it is something likee they have to approve the trade and it can only be a 1 for 1 deal. Then he becomes unrestricted and we still have more money to spend on him than anybody else AND after a year under the new coach, maybe he wants to stay. It just doesn't make sense to let your biggest talent walk for no compensation when you have absolute leverage in the situation.
I don't know what evidence you have to support that sessions is clearly better. He's solid sure but clearly better? no.
The only way they fix this situation is getting curry and curry being healthy. I don't think that is likely or possible. It would probably take walker or sessions and a 1st to get curry. But that would be redemption for picking walker over augustin.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 26, 2012 11:07:43 AM
START THE YOUNG PLAYERS
GIVE THE VETERANS MORE PLAYING TIME
END EACH GAME WITH THE PLAYERS YOU FEEL CAN GET YOU A WIN, IF MIKE DUNLAP DOES THIS WE COULD EASYLY WIN 30 TO 45 GAMES
Posted by: RAHSHON GAMBLE | Jul 26, 2012 6:04:41 PM
I know its just summer league but he got a 4 game winning streak, we anit had a 4 game winning streak since Larry Brown
Posted by: RAHSHON GAMBLE | Jul 26, 2012 6:06:26 PM
it makes me laugh to see some of these guys are stuck on DJ like he is Chris Paul. All that DJ has shown in the 4 years here was that he is not capable of leading the offense as a point guard and that he had overblown value of himself that he did not even accept 5 year deal worth close to 6 million a year. He found out quickly that he is not even worth that as no one offered him anything more than a vet min, except for Pacers who signed him to 4 million 1 year contract. That is all that he is worth. Reckon with that.
And since DJ was not signing the QO, Bobcats had to do soemthing. If they wouldhave waited longer, they would have lost out on even Sessions who is a better point guard than DJ.
Either Kemba or DJ had to go because they are both under 6'...but, Bobcats tried to keep both by offering QO to DJ. But, DJ did not sign that because he wanted to leave.
ANd these guys like Charottean talk like we let Dwight Howard walk. We let DJ walk and picked up a better, bigger point guard in sessions who wanted to be here in Charlotte.
DJ is inconsequential...he is not a difference maker. He might be better than Kemba right now..but what does that do? NOTHING. We just need to find out what Kemba has to offer since he did not even have one full season in NBA, while DJ hasn't proven anything in NBA in 4 years. If he had, he would have received a decent offer like 6-8 million per year.
DJ is inconsequential. He is very replaceable. It's time to find out if Kemba is a keeper.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 26, 2012 6:42:44 PM
All those point guards got over 8 million a year contract from NBA teams for over 3 years and DJ, who is only 24 got nothing but 1 year deal for 4 million. I guess all those scouts and general managers are dumb.
Dude, you'd better wise up. DJ isn't worth 8 million a year. Even Sessions is better.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 26, 2012 6:49:27 PM
I'm not saying he's worth 8 million. I'm saying that's what guys who he is equally as good as got. and he got 3.5 because we held him until AFTER all those guys got signed.
If he had been unrestricted from day one, dallas and toronto (who has tried to deal for him on multiple occassions) and others would have been pursuing him. if the nash deal hadn't happened, bet the lakers would have pursued. they tried to trade for him last year when they got sessions instead.
it IS a big deal. he is another top 10 draft pick that we failed to develop, and let go for no compensation. I was equally as frustrated when we did it with felton, but the difference was.....we DID keep him for the 5th year, and we had DJ to take over with him leaving. Kemba is absolutely not capable of starting on a playoff team. DJ is. So now by letting him walk, we have another gaping hole. With the salary floor in place, it wouldn't have made much a difference if we paid him 7 or 5 a year if we front loaded the deal. And that would have added ANOTHER tradeable asset to the team as well. You can't get that draft pick back now. And we didn't even get the pick wrong, we just got everything since then wrong. Great rookie season, stunted his growth year 2, gave him the reigns and simultaneously blew up the roster year 3, give him the worst supporting cast in the league (and unhealthy) last year and let him go at age 24.
DJ isn't a top 10 pg in the league but he is a top 20. He'll play a significant role on a contending indiana team and get a big pay day next summer.
Indiana couldn't pay him more. You see 3.5 and think that's his market value. That was his market value AFTER all the teams in the market made their moves. Thus the 1 year deal.
We effed up again, period.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 26, 2012 7:29:38 PM
nobody held him anything. He got QO and he had full opportunity to get the best deal out there in the free agent market. No one offered anything close to what he was dreaming of. But, he was too greedy to sign the QO, and the bobcats had to sign somebody at the point and they couldn't wait any longer. ANd they signed Sessions. Once that happened, of course the Bobcats wasn't going to sign DJ. If he wanted to, DJ could have signed it before all that happened. He had that offer on the table for 3 weeks. Don't blame anyone but himself...that he ended up with a 3.5 million doallar contract. No one else wanted him. That was his worth after 4 years in the NBA. Nobody wanted him for more than the 3.5 million dollar for one year. face it. Nobody wanted him. Dragic got 8 million...Lin got 8 million....but no one wanted DJ.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 12:25:56 AM
there were a lot of teams looking for a point guard...no one wanted to pay DJ more than 3.5 million. THat's his value. This is economics.
Don't cry like we let Chris Paul walk. Market value suggests Sessions is the better point guard. We didn't lose anything. If anything, we gained a better point guard.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 12:28:53 AM
It was not a matter of choosing DJ or Kemba because Kemba was still on the rookie contract. It was a matter of Dragic or DJ...or Sessions or DJ. We lost out on Dragic, but got Sessions...and I'd definitely rather have Sessions over DJ.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 12:30:51 AM
It's not a big deal that we let DJ go and got Sessions. If we had to pick sessions or DJ in the lottery, I'd definitely pick Sessions. So we did not lose anything. It's too bad that Brown picked guys like DJ and Ajinca. Brown was crying over them and then did not develop them properly when he realized that they were not the players that he thought they were. Good riddance that Brown is gone and so are Alexis and DJ, so stop crying over them.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 12:37:46 AM
you clearly don't understand restricted free agency. if you are restricted, you can't CHOOSE a team and sign there without risking being resigned.
Eric Gordon essentially screwed himself out of 3 million by signing phoenix's offer sheet instead of new orlean's.
Let's say the new orleans hornets wanted to sign DJ to an offer sheet of 4 years 20 million. DJ might like that deal being from new orleans, but he doesn't like that deal in Charlotte. in charlotte he might want 28 million because of how horribly run our organization is. he can't sign new orlean's offer because charlotte has the right to match. by the time they lifted the QO and made him unrestricted, houston was on the hook for lin, phoenix signed dragic, la traded for nash, toronto for lowry, dallas for collison, new york for felton and signed kidd, orlando had re-upped nelson (at a ridiculous number), leaving......? He took a 1 year deal for slightly less than his QO so that he could be a free agent again next year after playing with a contender.
guarantee most of those teams talked about or talked to augustin. if he's unrestricted, it goes different. If he isn't coming off a 7-49 season in which he definitely wasn't to blame and was more or less the only reason we won 7 games at all, it's different.
in our drafts, on draft night....nobody is ever like "what was charlotte thinking" because we are always taking guys in their projected range, usually a guy that SHOULD be a good fit here, a guy with great credentials, great upside, etc. and then they fail. That says so much more about the bobcats than it does the players. Roy hibbert goes to indiana and starts SLOW and now has developed into the most mediocre all-star ever but a solid starting 5 no doubt.
He wouldn't have lasted 4 seasons here. Nobody does. He would have been given the same treatment ajinca got. it's every single year the same story....we let all our assets walk. we didn't trade augustin when there was value and offers on the table at the deadline. we didn't get any value for okafor in the end. we didn't get any value for ajinca, for felton, etc. we turned brandan wright, adam morrison, AND tobias harris into bismack biyombo. a 3rd, a 7th, and a 20th for a 7th. these are our progressions. we give away a 5, a 9, and a 2.
it's bigger than just DJ. it's the every single year the same story. you can't "rebuild" when you are giving away your talent. You're supposed to be cutting the fat and upgrading, not cutting the talent.
and comparing DJ and sessions value wise....if DJ signs the QO, we have that much more cap room next year. if sessions OR DJ sign a longer term deal, we have a point guard locked up. instead we have a 2 year fix. and he's not even going to be given the reigns (even though he should) because we're banking on walker to shoot 35% from the field on horrible shots. so we're going to be paying more, getting less, with less flexibility, and losing the small ounce of continuity that we had.
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT IS A GOOD THING.
all eyes on henderson now. I'm sure they'll let mullens walk, but henderson........if they let him walk too, I'm out. ankle or no ankle we should be assembling a godfather offer for golden state right now.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2012 2:00:21 AM
you clearly don't understand. The fact is no other team wanted him for the price he was asking for and that Sessions is a better point guard than DJ and also that DJ isn't worth crying about especially we got a better point guard in sessions.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 8:27:15 AM
DJ isn't worth crying over dude. He has proven that.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 8:27:53 AM
There is NO eviidence to say that sessions is better. Indiana didn't go after sessions. You trust the contender or the worst run franchise in the league. You also don't know what deals he turned down to take a 1 year deal instead. Nobody else wanted sessions.
It's not about just dj, it's about everything that has been done historically. Hendo and mullens are next. We just added another year and another hole to the rebuild. Fact.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2012 2:22:17 PM
right there is no evidence that sessions is better. But there is plenty of evidence that DJ is not the point guard of the future. And he did not sign the QO that was out there for him for 3 weeks. So we let em walk and got Sessions instead. If we are gonna rent a pg for a coup-le years, I'd rather have one that wants to be here. And Sessions wanted to be here and he signed the contract. And he might prove to be the better point guard as well. That's plenty of good sense to me.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 6:22:30 PM
You crying about DJ is like a couch potato singing with the loser tune on a broken down record.
Posted by: championshipss | Jul 27, 2012 6:24:47 PM
Sessions, Haywood, Gordon, MKG, Taylor.and the acquisition of a number one pick, While also not locking into any long term deals. Is a nice off season for a rebuilding team. People should start to realize that.
Posted by: Davo | Jul 28, 2012 7:10:51 AM
That was the first valid point you made. THAT I can get behind. But if augustin didn't want to be here we should have traded him at the deadline and gotten SOMETHING for him. We could have pulled a similar to the ben gordon deal with orlando for duhon and a 1st. Could have landed nicholson in that deal.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 28, 2012 10:37:54 AM
We tried to move him at the deadline but couldn't get anything worth the trouble. It's not like we wanted to lose him for nothing.
At least this way we kept similar production for 2 more years.
Posted by: spectre | Jul 28, 2012 12:03:56 PM
HoopsHype has us at $51,667,467, well short of the cap after signing MKG and Taylor. I think we still have plenty of room, especially if we include and expiring contract. I think Cho will hold onto the flexibility in case we can add quality as other teams make room for superstars.
Posted by: usc88 | Jul 31, 2012 3:13:42 PM
Damn. Somebody get that sorryass waterboy a job at the bus station cleanin johns... Who the hell is feeding housing and clothing that adult bum plus paying the internet bill?
Poor Bryant gets raped again like in Denver only in Spain now ... and wifie really pissed this time ... He will be buying her 5 big diamonds now ...
Posted by: darn .. raped again ... | Jul 31, 2012 5:17:01 PM
darn..raped again... -
Bryant is divorced, so technically he is a single man. He could care less about what his former wife syas or think.
Posted by: RobC | Aug 1, 2012 8:48:07 AM
Speaking of Kobe and LeBron and Michael J.
Can somebody explain to me why when a black athlete gets some cash and some fame he makes a bee line for white women? It would seem to me if I were a black women, I would really be upset about how they are cast aside in favor of white ladies. When a white athlete gets famous and wealthy, they don't make a bee line for black women. Just trying to get some feedback here based on the post and photos about Kobe hanging out in Barcelona and LeBron asking the swimmer to dinner.
Posted by: Old School Jim | Aug 1, 2012 5:15:41 PM
The Cats definetely need one more big body preferably a PF. Here is my list of the best avaliable players, who might be willing to play for the Bobcats on a short term and cheap contract.
Restricted Free Agents:
1.) Donte Greene - Big, long, combo foward, with shooting touch, can score and is only 24. He could be motivated in a new team anviroment and with a coach like Dunlap.
2.) Mareese Speight - Big body, more of a PF/C, that can provide some toughness off the bench and score ocasionally.
Unrestricted Free Agents:
1.) Andray Blatche - Pure PF with great offense but very little defense. Big body, strong and skilled but extremelu high maintenance. This is another high risk, high reward guy. Maybe a new team, a new coach and a new enviroment will be just what he needs and he may even compete for the starting PF spot. He might have his eyes set on a better team, but he is a high risk guy.
2.) Troy Murphy - Big PF who can score and rebound the ball. He'll be a short term option, similar to what the Cats were expecting from A. Jamison. He will have more opportunity to be a factor in the Bobcats offense than he did with the Lakers, so he could actually be a great addition to the team and a solid scoring punch and rebounder off the bench that can stretch the floor for Kemba, Hendo and MKG.
3.) Shelden Williams & Lou Amundson - Two big bodies that can add some toughness and energy off the bench. Solid rebounders and pretty good defenders for 20mpg, that's about it.
There are also some reports in ESPN that the Bobcats invited Scoop Jardine (Syarcuse PG) to training camp, to compete for the 3rd PG spot. I think either Jardine and vevn better Scott Machado (if the Rockets release him) will be good options for the Bobcats as a 3rd PG off the bench.
Posted by: Rob C | Aug 2, 2012 10:00:27 AM
garrett temple > scoop jardine if we're being honest. we better hope for some incredible point guard talents in the next 2 drafts.
none of the guys named except maybe speights ACTUALLY HELPS THE FRANCHISE. everybody else is just adding a name to the roster. and speights isn't a sure thing either. and we can't offer him anything anyways. I don't know why we keep having these things brought up.
have NO IDEA where people keep getting the "51 million" figure from....hoopshype just called you a liar.
56 million. cap is 58.
Posted by: charlottean | Aug 2, 2012 11:52:54 AM
The Bobcats have $2.6M of the MLE that they can still offer to anyone. Just FYI!
And the guys I mentioned will not be and are not expected to be any kind of savior for this team. They will just be nice pieces to have off the bench. And in the case of Blatche, if it wasn't for his attitude, he would immediately be the best PF and low post scorer on this team. The only reason he has not signed with anybode is because his attitude problems are well documented.
Also, all those guys will be willing to sign for $2.6M or less and perhaps only a 1 Year deal.
Posted by: Rob C | Aug 2, 2012 1:29:05 PM
talking about "if it weren't for his attitude" is like saying if bill russell was 20 he would be signed. what is the point?
what is the point of signing somebody that won't be part of the future to take up today's minutes? the only people you should want them to sign would be young talents that could build with this current core, and absolute no name diamond in the rough guys that may or may not pan out to something.
being marginally better this year is being significantly worse going forward. even david kahn figured this out. I'm sure you guys can grasp it eventually. you can take a chance on a darko milicic or a mike beasley. not a troy murphy or shelden williams.
Posted by: charlottean | Aug 2, 2012 8:24:33 PM
Saying that we should only sign young guys is absolutely idiotic. Let me tell you something charlottean, our core needs time to develop. We need to bring in some been there/done that vets. You can't throw a bunch of young guys out there and hope they figure it out. Not everyone is the talent of LeBron and The OKC thunder did it but they had far superior talent than us.
We threw our young boys out there, Kemba getting absolutely demolished, and Biyombo getting pushed around on the offensive end. Bringing in Haywood and another vet PF will give time for Mullens and Biyombo to learn and focus on developing.
Look at arguably our best player in Gerald Henderson. Man sat the bench behind Stephen Jackson, learning and developing the jump shot. He went from 2 to 9 points a game over his and in his 3rd year,as a starter, he got 15 points on 45% shooting. Now i'm not saying that Haywood is the tier player that SJax was here, but he gives guidance to young players and is a mentor.
Bottom line, our young players were thrown into fire last year, there confidence is low and had no coaching last year. Let these guys learn for a year, then throw them out there.
Posted by: Charlottecatsfan | Aug 3, 2012 4:38:39 PM
No great players learned on the bench.
And I am saying what I am saying knowinng that we have gordon haywood and carroll on the roster. Plus sessions and thomas who have experience. Its sink or swim, if our guys can't figure it out, get someone that can.
There's nothing idiotic about playing your young guys. That's how they get better and you get a high draft pick in the process. You play the veterans more and you get a worse draft pick and lose development of your young guys so that you can win a few more games without contending. What does that accomplish?
And saying henderson learned from jackson is a joke. How to argue refs instead of getting back on D? how to take terrible shots? How to go clubbing 5 nights a week?
Posted by: charlottean | Aug 4, 2012 8:49:42 AM
Where is Rick? Nothing since Vegas. What a crap job this guy has done.
Posted by: TJ | Aug 4, 2012 2:29:07 PM
Anybody heard anything else about the Bobcats picking up Adam Morrison? He seems to have matured and could really add a lot of shooting/offense to this team. The rumor is that he is anxious to come back to Charlotte.
Posted by: Bernie B | Aug 4, 2012 9:59:01 PM
Given that we just drafted 2 small forwarrds, can't see that being possible. He needs to go to dallas or portland or phoenix or houston or new orleans. If that guy doesn't get a 1 year deal after playing well in europe and then even better in summer league.....it's pretty upsurd.
Posted by: charlottean | Aug 5, 2012 9:33:28 AM
ESPN is reporting that the bobcats are showing interest in Louis Amundson and Josh Childress.
Both of these might be end of the bench guys, but do you have any info about this???
Can you write something please...even if its a gossip...please????
Posted by: Rob C | Aug 8, 2012 1:23:06 PM
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