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November 04, 2012

Post-game thoughts about a Bobcats thumping (standard practice) in Dallas

Some post-game thoughts on the Bobcats’ 27-point loss to the Dallas Mavericks:

                --Obviously there wasn’t much entertaining from a Bobcats perspective tonight, but you would have enjoyed the back-and-forth between ex-Maverick Brendan Haywood and his old haunt.

                Haywood had a good night – 14 points and 11 rebounds – and he got a little playful with the crowd. After hitting a fadeaway jump shot, he back-pedaled to the defensive end while making the finger-to-the-lips “shhhhhh’’ signal.

                I laughed because it was the most swagger I’d seen from a Bobcat since Stephen Jackson departed. And it was fun, not combative.

                Somebody in the stands responded well, though. During the next timeout a fan shouted, “Hey Haywood! It would have taken you a month to score 12 points last season!’’

                I asked Haywood about all the joshing post-game. He told me the real trash-talker was from Mavs owner Mark Cuban, who shouted something at him every time he took a shot.

                --Speaking of trash talk, Byron Mullens might not want to say anything to Vince Carter when the Bobcats and Mavs have a rematch later this month. Don’t know what precipitated this, but Mullens and Carter were jawing at the start of a timeout, and pretty emphatically.

                After the timeout, Carter dunked on the Bobcats like he had 10 years trimmed off his birth certificate.

                --I don’t think Michael Jordan does rookie Michael Kidd-Gilchrist any favors by comparing him to Scottie Pippen. But MKG did have one of those do-a-little-of-everything nights (on a much smaller scale): Thirteen points, five rebounds, five steals, two assists and a block.

                --Byron Mullens went 2-of-8 from 3-point range Saturday. Yet he also grabbed 10 rebounds. Ironic that after everyone complained he doesn’t play like a big man, it seems like the only things he’s excelling at right now involve him being 7-foot.

                --Bismack Biyombo looks a little lost right now. He played 11 minutes, missed his only shot and had zero rebounds and blocks. I know they believe he’ll be OK for the long haul. I agree because he’s a smart guy and a worker. But he’s struggling to adapt to all the decisions in Mike Dunlap’s defensive system.

                Everyone needs to be patient because few of late have entered the NBA with less basketball background. He’s the guy with a middle-school algebra class in college calculus. Sometimes it takes a while.

Posted by Observer Sports on November 4, 2012 at 01:07 AM | Permalink


We gonna have the most balls in the draft again this year??

Posted by: George Hanson | Nov 4, 2012 1:35:07 AM

Questionable lineups by Dunlap. He didn't make adjustments after halftime either. Kemba needs to penetrate to the basket on pick and rolls when the defender steps out to show instead of trying to dribble around him. Collison did this effectively against them.

Posted by: defensewinsgames | Nov 4, 2012 5:13:19 AM

Will be watching closely to see how they respond. Will bs a good indication of how good this coach is. Not necessarily winning, but playing with intensity after a tough loss. That rarely happened

Posted by: Bball Expert | Nov 4, 2012 6:20:58 AM

Hopefully they won't make this coach play with Tyrus Thomas all year. He is completely finished as a player. Every part of his game that worked is gone. It is clear why they tried so hard to get a PF in the off season. Add a decent power forward to this team and they would at least compete more often.

Didn't Hendo leave with an injury last night? Any update?

Posted by: Jammer | Nov 4, 2012 7:18:23 AM

cant wait for next season when this team is crowned as the name this area deserves..

charlotte hornets 2.o

Posted by: brendan | Nov 4, 2012 7:46:37 AM

Tyrus might've been sick, but I'm sick of Tyrus.

Posted by: eduardo | Nov 4, 2012 9:23:02 AM

No Idea why tyrus continues to get so much run. Dude is terrible, whoever signed him to that contract should be banned from the NBA. Our lineups last night were terrible, we need to play our young guys more together, especially if we are gonna lose like that either way. This is a season for those guys to grow together. Its obvious we're not gonna win many games this year, but to have Ramone sessions as your leading scorer generally wont be a good thing for this team....even though he did play well last night. Gotta get more people involved and Byron has to stop hoisting so many 3's

Posted by: J | Nov 4, 2012 10:57:17 AM

Hendo is injured from an earlier fall in the second half before the busted mouth. Biz is a bust. Kemba needs to set up teamates or he's going to lose his starting job for sure. He's constantly late on getting the ball to teammates if at all and will pass only once a game after penetrating. He overdribbles on the break and half ct sets looking only for his shot. Scoring 30 only empowered him whc won't happen when somebody is as quick and stays in front him whc is many pt gds in the league. Pass the ball..

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 4, 2012 11:03:33 AM

Of COURSE Biyombo looks lost. He doesn't know how to play basketball. And he still won't by the time he's at the end of his rookie deal. Great trade up, Bobcats. I sure would have rather gotten Faried, Klay Thompson, or Kawhi Leonard than either of our second-year players.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Nov 4, 2012 12:25:24 PM

Amen...Biz has no lateral quickness. He walks around as if he has the gout. And does Ben Gordon play any defense ? Whatever he makes ,he gives up. The need for a PF that can score is critical. Of course the Cats no that may keep them from the lottery. This is unfair to the fans.

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 4, 2012 2:17:35 PM

Kemba had 5 assists and 1 turnover. Would have had another 5 if Tyrus, Haywood or Mullens could finish. I think most of the people here don't even watch the games.

Posted by: Jammer | Nov 4, 2012 4:10:25 PM

Yeah.. Blame it on your teammates. If Kemba had 10 assists not one of the 4 things I was critical of as to him would change ... Not one. He's not a pt gd. Good when he's hot but sucks when it ain't falling, whc is most nights. I watch the games intently boss. And these are the same old knocks against him. These guys desparately need to be set up . He hasn't a clue. Sessions will soon show him the way and the door.

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 4, 2012 8:36:22 PM

Blindman. Start watching the games. Mullens missed layups,, Haywood and Tyrus missing shots at the rim. If you he sets them up and they can't finish, it's not his fault. Amazing how he over dribbles but only has one turnover. I know the game was on a little late for you, but you can always DVR it.

Posted by: Jammer | Nov 4, 2012 9:13:18 PM

But he missed many opportunities to hit an open man at the basket or cutting to the basket. I see you don't know much if you think that overdribbling only affects turn overs. You keep w your thing w Kemba. He will be coming off the bench in limited minutes soon. You're the blind man bc it's obvious he sucks.

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 5, 2012 5:41:04 AM

OK Tinman. You don't even know what you are looking at. Sessions was pounding he ball much more than Kemba in that game. Oh that's right, you were not looking at all. They had the lowest scoring team league last year and are not much improved this year. With this group of players any point guard would have to be more offensive minded. They have zero finishers at the moment. No one of these players can start for another team, but you single out The point guard.

Originally I was not referring to your comment. But based on your response. There is no doubt you didn't see the game.

Posted by: Jammer | Nov 5, 2012 6:28:53 AM

I'm already declaring Biyombo a bust. I was not impressed last year, and he's made zero progress over the offseason. Cho made the same mistake that was made by a previous regime that took Ajinca; getting caught up in potential when there was no proven basketball skill or IQ evident. Taking a reach on a guy like Biz in the lottery is the kind of mistake that puts a team back years. Biz is far too small to play the 5, has no skills for playing the 4. He is a "nowhere man", who may not even be good enough to stay in the league.

Posted by: Bassman | Nov 5, 2012 8:52:38 AM

Did anybody here really saw that game???

The Bobcats did not play with the same energy they did the night before, that is true. The Pacers game took a toll on them. But you guys have to agree that the only reason the Mavs won in such a dominant way is because they had one of those crazy nights from behind the arc.

Heck, even OJ Mayo who has been called a bust scored like six 3's. The Mav's would have beaten Miami with the way they shot the 3-ball. They made almost every 3-ball and although I agree some were wide open, those were not the majority. Even Collison made a crazy 3 with two defenders to end the quarter. Back to back from Charlotte to Dallas was not easy, but these are things such a young team need to learn how to do.

Also, Kemba did not had a bad game, he just didn't play such an amazing game like the night before.

Posted by: RobC | Nov 5, 2012 8:57:25 AM

ajinca wasn't a bust at all. Dude was d-league all star at age 19, had triple doubles, averaged a double double, had some nice moments in the few pro games he played in (including one for toronto) and was quickly out of the league. he was a prime example of how impatient this franchise has been with young talent and how poorly we have worked to develop that talent.

skilled 7 footers don't grow on trees.

biyombo can't be declared a bust without at least 3 years in the league playing every game. you guys are ridiculously impatient.

this is the same guy that was top 10 in the league in blocks last year in limited playing time. as the youngest player in the league. he's already better than diop and he actually has the desire to get better. he will. he was never going to be shaq, but he could absolutely be ibaka or perkins or wallace or mcgee.

what is it about deandre jordan or joakim noah or any center in the league not named dwight howard or andrew bynum that makes you say "woah there is no way biyombo could ever be a top 10 center in this league".

he had some big games in limited chances last year. he's also looked horrible at times.

patience m effers.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 5, 2012 11:47:07 AM

It's not rational to compare Biz w anyone you mentioned except Diop. He's a very good help defender . That's how he gets blocks. But he can't stay in front of any Pf bc he has poor lateral quickness. He's too small to play center. He has no offensive skills or footwork and will always be a stiff. The guys you mentioned had some basic skill set coming in. Bassman is correct..Biz has made zero progress in the offseason bc he has no skills on either side of the ball except shot blocking .. If you try to go to him it's a turnover. The 7 th pick should be nba ready. Kenneth Faried should have been picked . Scottie Pippien said when picked Mj didn't have a clue , and he didn't. This guys a bum and will always be a bum.

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 5, 2012 12:38:25 PM

If you'd actually listen to what the coach has to say and not your own points. Kemba is the starter and wont be benched anytime soon. Dunlap loves Kemba and sessions appears to continue getting a lot of run as well. They also just picked up the option on Kemba's rookie deal....So yeah, hes pretty much the starter.

Posted by: J | Nov 5, 2012 8:35:35 PM

dude look at biyombo's per 36 numbers from last year and look at.....

ibaka, hibbert, asik, noah, jordan, etc. from last year.

then keep in mind hibbert has a max deal, the rest of the guys make like 10 a year now and NONE OF THOSE GUYS WERE 19 YEAR OLD ROOKIES ON THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

then show me the center prospect drafted lower than him last year that matters. the only argument could be for jeremy tyler who we traded to golden state for nothing. unless you consider montiejuenas or vucevic centers which they are far more mullens than biyombo.

now if you want to make the argument that we should have taken knight at 7 and biyombo at 9 i'm all ears.

but to call a guy a bust after 68 games? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 68 games. at 20 years old. top 10 last year in blocked shots. had a double double against dwight howard. as a rookie. you want to give up on that guy NOW.

he's nowhere near as bad as diop i'm sorry. I've cringed plenty a time watching biyombo play but it's nothing like diop. not even close.

they need to get biyombo with hakeem and biyombo with mutombo and biyombo with ewing. why ewing is unemployed right now blows my mind. but you have to give the kid playing time. thabeet is good enough for okc but biyombo not good enough for us.

be patient m fer.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 5, 2012 9:21:54 PM

Notice how some of these guys come out after losses but never after wins? They always want to complain and say "I told you so!" but they never celebrate the good things. Kind of telling don't you think?

Waste of time.

Posted by: spectre | Nov 6, 2012 6:01:21 AM

BTW, Biz wouldn't have been there at 9 because Detroit had him targeted at 8th. That was one of the things pushing us to trade for the 7th beside the fact it was such a stellar trade anyway.

Posted by: spectre | Nov 6, 2012 6:03:27 AM

I wonder if Biz is one of those "system" guys - you know, can be great in one coach's system, but not another's. I think he might be, and he could be a star eventually in a Silas-style system, but not in a Dunlap system. There appears to be too much going on at the defensive end for him to grasp. I'm not ready to give up on him, but I am tempering expectations.

RobC - true, no one is going to go 16-for-25 from 3 every night. But we left people so open they just kept shooting, and they just kept going in. Some teams just have it over other teams. I think we'll be 0-for-life against Dallas for a while. Phoenix is terrible; we should beat them.

As for MK-G, yes, the Pippen comparisons are a little premature. But that was one sweet dunk he had in the first half.

Hopefully the team will keep improving and competing. I'm still hoping for 25-28 wins.

Posted by: J | Nov 6, 2012 1:57:48 PM

I know, but I would understand the hindsight comments based on how good knight has been.

I am so tired of hearing about how small dude is when he has a top tier standing reach in the league. what does it matter where a dude's head is? and when dwight howard was/is listed basically the same at draft combine. half an inch taller, same reach.

You can't be opinionated about facts people.

starting NBA centers with higher reaches than biyombo:

deandre jordan
brook lopez
javale mcgee
demarcus cousins
brendan haywood
nik vucevic

that means a total of 5 opposing centers with an inch or 2 on him.

starting centers 6'9 or shorter

al jefferson

sean may was 6'7 and could effectively matchup with centers for the 22 games in 4 years he was healthy.

the issue is that the guy doesn't know how to play yet. and he definitely doesn't have refined skills. size is not the issue. and like i said, there wasn't a prospect at his position taken after him that's looking any better.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 6, 2012 2:24:50 PM

Only a few games in but we can all likely agree they look improved and the games are more exciting. If they will 20 games it will be amazing. We get lots of cap space next year and at least 1 top 4 pick again and hopefully #1. In 2014-2015 season we better be back in thick of things. These luxury tax bills will be huge for some teams.
And Biz is raw and trying hard. He will take time and worse case we trade him in a few year for picks etc.. #7 draft picks don't always pan out. Thats fairly high. Now Kemba is looking like he could work out. 1 out of 2 won't be bad.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 6, 2012 4:18:56 PM

Actually Knight hasn't looked that good. Last year he had a PER of 11.7 and this year it's 8 (but VERY early...Kemba's right now is 26.7!). His assists numbers look better but you also have to remember he has a go to guy in Monroe...a type of player none of our PGs have ever had. Besides, there are assists and there are assists. Creation vs. passing it to the open guy. Both guys need work on the latter. What Knight has going for him is he's younger and has better size/length. Kemba has the drive and the killer instinct and he's more than willing to be taught. We don't know that about Knight.

Biz...I think his issue right now is that he's trying to play in an actual system unlike last year. Silas pretty much had him go out there and just play; under Dunlap he's trying to learn HOW to play. That being the case it'd make sense that he'd look a little worse now...but the payoff has the potential to be a lot better.

I'm still very excited about both those guys and MKG...esp. now that we have a coach who will actually work to make them better.

Posted by: spectre | Nov 6, 2012 5:44:14 PM

If Dunlap had his way, Biz would not be playing at all. He was in the top ten in blocks but nothing else. Worse he fumbled the ball or walked whc resulted in turnovers last yr so one block a game was diminished.

He's slow laterally and can't stay in front of anyone . They don't pass him the ball for fear of a turnover now .he has not improved bc he has no basic skill set, so The Dream can't improve him.

It's shocking that you say there were no prospects taken behind him.. Faried, Shumpert and Markies Moris are all way better . Dumars is just as bad as Mj in drafting as of late so saying Detroit wanted him is no answer.

Bc he has no underlying fundamentals ,whc is hy he has not improved and is not playing, he will not get better and taken so high , will be a bust.

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 7, 2012 6:22:11 AM

Hilarious how you say that with such conviction and even more so that you would presume that anyone would take your opinion...stated like a fact...is anything but.

When we drafted Biz we KNEW he was a project. We KNEW it would take years and we most likely wouldn't see immediate success. Sure it delays our championship run a year or so but what the heck, starting the dynasty in 2014 just lets the anticipation build for the real fans.

You and others of the "what have you done for me lately" crowd really should buy a clue and realize most don't buy your spin.

Posted by: spectre | Nov 7, 2012 5:32:16 PM

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