January 15, 2013
Can Bobcats rebound from the night they didn't really rebound?
Some thoughts on a really bad night for the Charlotte Bobcats: a 103-76 home loss to the Indiana Pacers.
--I started covering the NBA in 1988 and I can’t remember a team being outrebounded by 29. So much about rebounding is what happens before the ball comes off the rim or the glass – positioning, blocking out, following the ball’s flight. Didn’t see any of that from the home team.
--When coach Mike Dunlap said his team does OK when it “rebounds by committee,’’ he’s right. But that means the five guards who play a lot grabbing more than their share of long boards. Those five – Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, Ben Gordon, Jeff Taylor and Ramon Sessions – combined for six total rebounds in a collective 112 minutes.
--The home losing streak is now at 13, which is no way to build an audience. Average margin of defeat in those 13 games is 9.9 points. The last home victory was Nov. 21` against the Toronto Raptors.
Since then they’ve blown a couple of big leads at Time Warner Cable Arena (losing to Portland and New Orleans) and been blown out in a couple (losing by 30 to San Antonio and 27 by the Pacers).
--Next home game is Saturday against a 14-24 Sacramento Kings team. But remember the Kings’ best player is center DeMarcus Cousins, who will create just the sort of low-post scoring and offensive rebounding problems the Pacers exploited Tuesday.
--Dunlap was asked post-game if he needs the front office to find him some big-man help. Dunlap replied “I’ve stayed in my lane,’’ as in he coaches the players in the locker room and doesn’t publicly invoke his voice in player-personnel calls.
Posted by Observer Sports on January 15, 2013 at 10:53 PM | Permalink
Good points, Rick; but why are you not going out on the road games anymore???
Posted by: Funky | Jan 16, 2013 12:31:32 AM
Yeah, Larry Brown invoked his voice and he was "outta here."
This team is just really bad.
Has been for awhile.
No one cares.
Somehow they have to figure out how to turn things around.
Posted by: BD | Jan 16, 2013 6:57:48 AM
Trying to understand how they have gotten worse as the season progresses. I thought young players are supposed to get better. Same players, Is the coach losing whatever he had of the team or is the losing just wearing on them?
Posted by: James | Jan 16, 2013 7:15:58 AM
Tried to stick it out as a season ticket holder. Renewed This year, but have stopped going to games. I used to enjoy game nights, but how long can you watch a team that has zero chance of winning. I just get my NBA fix at home now on TV. Better teams without the pain of watching your team lose.
Posted by: Dave | Jan 16, 2013 7:24:46 AM
It has started being beyond disappointing. Yes the guards are a pretty good squad but we have zip down low. And I know biz is work in progress but how many years of snail growth till he can get a double double. 15?? We also need consistent lineups
I never thought I would say it but excited for Mullens to return
Worst is next years drafts top 3 may not have made this years top 5.
We need number 1 and free agent big
This game was a slow steady blowout even w there scrubs in.
What has happened?
Posted by: Season ticket holders | Jan 16, 2013 7:49:59 AM
They need to work on catching the ball. rebounds, passes, lose balls they cant corral them
Posted by: Spaceman Mike | Jan 16, 2013 8:25:33 AM
The coach needs to stop those stupid rotations. Giving 10 mins to Diop is stupid when he avg 0.7 points and 1 rebound per game.
Posted by: Onthewayto10-72 | Jan 16, 2013 9:32:17 AM
Hell i would put in Diop for 10 minutes to if my team was down by 26
Posted by: Donovan | Jan 16, 2013 9:50:18 AM
Seeing Diop on there vs Biz was criminal!! I don't care how bad Biz is he is a million times better and Diop is dead to us in a few months. He should be getting zero minutes period!!!
And why is MKG not getting more minutes??
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jan 16, 2013 9:54:51 AM
C'mon Man! The Cats should go to the "D" League and find them some big men who want to play basketball and send the likes of what they call big men now home packing. I'm just saying what I'm saying!
Posted by: Pat Smith | Jan 16, 2013 10:30:35 AM
Anyone know if TT is in the "doghouse" cause without Mullens in there or even with Mullens we need TT, some. Even as well as Warrick is playing, bringing Adrien in as well as he has done, is not TT. TT had that terrible shooting night the other night but man. When TT is in there with Biz or haywood you see a difference down low at least on the defensive side, rebounding as well!
If he is trying to develop these guys like Adrien, than this is what we are going to see.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jan 16, 2013 10:41:27 AM
The thing that bothers me is that Jordan said within 3-4 yr window that this team would be contending for a top 3-4 playoff spot I clearly wonder how this can be obtained without making a major trade or landed a top level talent for this roster has an overload of guards an very poor at best below average front court players, I tried to get hyped about this team but ever since Gerald Wallace left this team has flat out suck, it truly fathoms me that an owner of Jordan stature cant land a top level recruit or talent you know have problems when 2nd tier players as Jamieson are turning you down as a free agent place to play ball its not the market its all about talent when you have a big time player that is an attractive piece that speaks to the level of building an successful an winning program yes I know an understand Rick Cho is a good talent evalutor but less be real college ball in todays form doesnt offer the sure NBA star as it once did 20yrs ago this team needs to make serious plays an runs via trade or free agent to show the real fan base that winning matters not once since he took ownership has he even reach that point of a major talent or signing an we as fans such be more vocal it is well known in pro sports you never give up a face an not get a face back G-Wallace on any assembles of a team would be 100% better than what we have had since he left my point an question is this in all fairness if his contract was to much then what can you afford either step up as a owner or step off an sell too one that is all about winning at all cost to put an brand on the floor worthy of this fan base, insight ask ya self whom really is the face of this team an where u see this team in 2 more years down the road below average at best based on theyre moves an lack of forsight to land top level talent bobcats are a joke point blank!
Posted by: Jayrock | Jan 16, 2013 10:52:23 AM
Jayrock, that was the longest run on sentence in the history of the English language.
It drives me mad to watch the end of games and see that MKG is sitting on the bench. If Dunlap would realize that the game at hand is not nearly as important as molding a player for the future perhaps this season I wouldn't be so jaded. WHY DUNLAP? WHY?
Posted by: Sambo | Jan 16, 2013 10:59:10 AM
We never had expectations of this team making the playoffs, much less winning 50 games. However, the effort given last night was just absolutely horrid. If not embarrassing. I saw Jordan leave well before the game was over. He must be beside himself with the effort given, especially in terms of trying to grab rebounds. MKG, Hendo and Kemba when he wasn't limping are the only ones giving consistent effort. You can say that MJ, Cho, etc are the ones that brought these guys in. Nobody was complaining when they were 7-5. This all falls on the players to me. Some of them looked like they were either completely worn out or just disinterested. Thank goodness I was able to buy beer to get myself through the game.
Posted by: PantherDave | Jan 16, 2013 11:01:21 AM
Everyone saying we need a big man but they keep bringing in these under size player...our starting center is smaller then LBJ & none of them play above the rim!! if a trade is made i bet it will be for another undersize player...bring K.Brown back at least him could catch
Posted by: 336nda704 | Jan 16, 2013 11:37:09 AM
Im seriously having second thoughts about going to the Kings game Saturday. The ONLY reason I will be there is to show my support for Bring Back The Buzz and to wear my Charlotte Hornets gear.
Thank goodness all this losing is associated with the name Bobcats. Once they become the Hornets, they will have a clean slate. WE BEEELIEVE!!
Posted by: D.W.G. | Jan 16, 2013 11:37:52 AM
We were never that good in the beginning of the season. The teams we were beating didn't have their best players. It is just coming to reality and showing us now. The problem with having a good pick in this draft, is it is going to be a very weak draft class. No superstar. I expect to be bad once again next year, unless we some how sign some good players.
Posted by: football245 | Jan 16, 2013 11:38:53 AM
- I'll always support these guys, always have, always will. There the home team. But Celtic Nation is #1.
- I really hope MJ, Cho, and Higgins are thinking of a BIG time move to help get this team back to a respected level. Kemba Walker is this teams "Cam Newton". The face of the franchise, and he's developing every year. In a couple of years, he'll be an All-Star. The problem just seems to be coming from inside...
- We need TRUE centers. Not old sloppy ones, and not our best only being able to shoot 3's. Byron Mullens has to develop into the player that he can be, A BEAST honestly. He needs to get bigger and more physical in the paint. Biyombo does a good job of that for his age, but I think his issue sometimes is that he gets oversized. Obviously, Haywoods not cutting it, Kwame Brown was putting more work then he is.
- But were missing a move. We may need a "Robin" for Kemba (who could turn into a Batman?), maybe we needa trade our whole team for a Cousins, or a Paul George,....or someone.
- But until then, GOD help this team.
Posted by: Goddy | Jan 16, 2013 11:42:12 AM
I was high up in the bowl and could see the spacing on the floor well... without fail, every offensive rebound there were 4 Pacers, and 1 Bobcat under the rim. Where were the other 4 Bobcats you ask? Half-court, waiting to get back in transition...because they've convinced themselves that 1) their shots don't go in 2) they have little chance to get back into a defensive set that actually works. They're slipping away. You're going to lose whole careers in this debacle.
Posted by: on and on | Jan 16, 2013 12:31:16 PM
They haven't gotten worse, they are playing better opponents. They played decent in the first half but were outrebounded badly and that caught up to them in the 3rd.
Insane how bad the rebounding was. Horrible officiating too, but the rebounding was baaaaad.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 16, 2013 2:42:40 PM
It would be nice to have some word from the front office indicating that Cho is working the phones. We've heard nothing since the Cousins rumors.
Posted by: apauldds | Jan 16, 2013 3:20:03 PM
How's everybody feeling about "The Plan"?
You know, MJ's plan. Anyone think he can succeed?
Posted by: George Hanson | Jan 16, 2013 3:32:07 PM
They cannot just start making crazy trades to win a few games in a season where everybody new they were going to be bad.
They played a lot of bad or injured team at the beginning of the season and everyone got over-excited about the 7-5. I have to admit they've missed opportunities where they should've won, but any smart person knew this team was going to win at best 15-20 games, which they will do.
They should seriously consider making a run at Al Jefferson, he is probably the most realistic option and he would fill a HUGE need for this team (low post scoring & rebounding).
Posted by: RobC | Jan 16, 2013 4:39:10 PM
Memphis is 25-10 in a market just as small or maybe smaller than Charlotte. It can be done. Will it be done? Would need some very good drafts the next 2 years. I would say the odds do not favor it, but it can be done.
Posted by: Rev | Jan 16, 2013 5:43:05 PM
I still say Kemba is the wrong player to build team around. Has anyone noticed our tremendous discrepency in point guard differencials? What are they doing with Byombo? Instead of a three year project he's more of a five year project. These are two lottery picks. Not a single low post player between them. Then last year they spend another lottery pick on a small forward? When will they just draft some meat.AS the saying goes WHERE'S THE BEEF? Until they do that they will be perennial losers.
Posted by: SuperGuru | Jan 16, 2013 5:47:33 PM
Been a season holder since day one,still am,but can no longer stand to go to games and watch this product. Worst yet, I can't even give my front row seats away. I'm done!!
Posted by: Broken Hearted | Jan 16, 2013 5:52:55 PM
I would love to have two tickets to the February Celtics/Cats' game:-))
Posted by: Smitty | Jan 16, 2013 6:03:41 PM
Send Biz and Aderian to D-league and bring up a true center.They should also look for a true center with some offence in the International league.Cho should look for at Noel or Zeller in the draft.Dunlap has to go he doesn't have a clue how to coach the pro game.(No more undersized players)
Posted by: Big FAN | Jan 16, 2013 10:33:53 PM
I will take the Laker and OKC tickets.,doesn't matter how bad the Bobcats are. I will be happy to go to those 2 games.
Posted by: Gene | Jan 17, 2013 6:48:11 AM
The plan now 2 1/2 years in process so let's review..
Henderson, Kemba, MKG look really good for the # pick. Biz has moments of hope and moments of disgust. Can he stop offensive interference of 1-2 times every game??
Mullens and Sessions looks great for price and what we gave. Gordon huge upgrade over Corey although he is still a total ball hog and horrible on defense. Besides that pick may help one day from detroit. But we still haven't gotten any one with a name who is at least a cornerstone. And Haywood looking poor.
Grade C (if they amnesty or get rid of TT I will move to B out of principal)
Larry sucked, somehow Paul was even worse if he was awake, so yes Dunlap is best. Smart kid on short bus. Plays zone stupidly and somehow thinks when down by 20pts it's the time to pull MKG instead of have him and Kemba and Hendo develop chemistry and just put Gordon in to launch every shot.
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jan 17, 2013 9:18:49 AM
How is the plan 2.5 years in progress when cho was hired right before the 2011 draft? That would be ~1.5 years for those counting.
Year 1 was clear the deck, bring in biz, kemba and mullens.....year 2 was mkg and taylor and further clear the deck....
Year 3 will be another top 5 pick and maybe a 2nd 1st rounder.
Okc plan that he's following was a bit different because they won the lottery to move up to 2nd to get durant (and miss out on oden) not to mention they started with more talent in ray allen that they were able to move for jeff greens pick. Cho started with less here and hasn't had that luck. Hopefully this year the luck with the lottery improves.
To the person who mentioned memphis.....that's who we model after (along with indy) if we don't land the go to superstar like a durant. Chris wallace was called an idiot for years for trading pau for marc. But he was following the rebuild. He got younger. Now he looks brilliant (sans the salary situation).
Young teams are built to last but they do not win in this league. I do not understand how you guys can't understand that. Indiana was horrible post ron artest situation and rebuilt into a legit contender built to last. That's what we are building. We are younger than they were. They drafted a lot of 3 and 4 year college guys.....we drafted the youngest player back to back years. It takes time.....be patient.
This team is going to be horrible this year and probably bad next year. But it's finally for the right reasons and headed in the right direction.
Where was all this outrage when we gave up on morrison wayyyyy too early and ruined his career? Where was this all when we traded tyson chandler for erick dampier? Or let felton walk or traded for nazr mohammed when he had a horrible contract and gave up hermann in the process?
We are finally making the right moves and it will take time. Be patient.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 17, 2013 11:41:52 AM
At the end of the day, this Team will go nowhere as long as the current president and his group of kroonies are on board. BAD KARMA as result of their elitiest attitudes. CLEAR THE DECK! Get some REAL basketball people to fill out the staff.
Posted by: Broken Hearted | Jan 17, 2013 1:23:58 PM
Things have progressively gotten better since jordan bought the team. Does rod higgins need to go? Hell yeah, but it's still a lot better than it was and still improving.
Anybody who actually follows the team knows that. Bob johnson not being willing to have a full staff/scouting department/non-racial based hiring/intelligent front office workers set the franchise back big time. They are digging out of that hole now and jordan's willingness to step back a bit is evidence he's going to be fine as an owner. Cho hasn't done anything yet to warrant a lack of faith in his decision making and plan.
Any fan who can't appreciate what they are doing right now doesn't understand the league. You have to be patient with their plan.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 17, 2013 2:19:54 PM
I keep hearing Blair from San Antonio is available because Splitter looks like Duncan replacement in a couple of years. The dude can rebound and is relatively cheap.
Posted by: TrueBBallFan | Jan 17, 2013 3:35:38 PM
This is the third season since the dismantling of the 2010 playoffs team.
Season 2010-11: we don't keep Felton and Chandler because MJ doesn't want to pay for a team that gets swept in the first round of the playoffs. At that point, true, he had no rebuilding plan, or any plan whatsoever.
Middle of that season: Gerald Wallace and Nazr Mohammed are traded, mainly for young players and lottery picks. This is when the rebuilding actually started.
This was MJ's plan, and Rich Cho was brought here to execute it; he didn't tell MJ "hey, let's start rebuilding through the Draft!", he was just trusted to execute MJ's plan (since MJ's drafting acumen could hardly be trusted by anyone, including by himself). Days after Cho was hired, the "wreck-and-rebuild" project was continued, with trading Stephen Jackson and getting a lottery pick.
Posted by: Sandy | Jan 17, 2013 4:50:31 PM
The little guards don't box out. They cheat out half ct trying to get an advantage on a break. There is too much small ball being played using Kemba and Gordon. The bigs have quit playing since Kemba or Sessions won't pass to them .Dunlap has no accountability for the 3 little guards.
Posted by: Iron man | Jan 18, 2013 5:58:41 AM
Posted by: Dave Enna | Jan 18, 2013 8:29:12 AM
Having paid for my season tickets in all of these years I consider rebuild process started when they blew it up and traded Gerald.
Faith I agree with but rough when now looks like on pace to finish dead last this year as well.
I hate to say it but being in the hunt for last playoff spot or being swept at least they made it. How many years till we make playoff's?? 3-5 maybe.
Hopefully some FA's come open this summer and with all the cap space we can convince a star to join us.
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jan 18, 2013 11:30:52 AM
It's tough being a Bobcat's fan. We need something positive soon. Maybe Biz can do it inside and Gordon/Walker can hit a ton of threes. Let's hope for the best.
Posted by: robert troup | Jan 18, 2013 12:54:12 PM
Not keeping felton/chandler was mismanagement, not intentional rebuild. Jordan thought that team was playoff bound again. He undervalued the 2 big time. Higgins had no idea what he was doing CLEARLY based on the dampier trade. That wasn't a salary dump for a rebuild....we took more salary back and no talent. It made no sense. Mark cuban hates rich cho. Rod higgins used to be mark and donnie's go to guy for a elementary cafeteria banana for a snackpack special.
Nothing that happened before cho involved any brain processes at all.
Cleared the deck prior to last year and made the draft day deal. That was the start of the rebuild. Finally moving forward instead of in constant circles and there's the most complaints ever. Insane.
There weren't half as many complaints when higgins was making idiotic move after idiotic move.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 19, 2013 12:23:59 AM
I'm just glad we didn't pick Andre Drummond. The guy lasted until the number 9 pick and is putting up Anthony Davis Numbers, if not better.
Oh, and I won't be going out on road trips with the team until I can prove that I know something about basketball.
Posted by: I'm lil Wicky Bonnell, I pwesume! :-/ | Jan 19, 2013 1:49:49 AM
Anyone know Rod Higgins career record as a NBA exec? Maybe he should re-sign his son. Yea, that would help the team. Unreal.
Posted by: Gene | Jan 19, 2013 8:42:26 AM
Just Higgins record in Charlotte alone would get most guys fired. Having his son on the team is still one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, The drafts before Cho arrived were abysmal.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 19, 2013 11:59:30 AM
Drafts weren't bad, player development and trades were. Jared dudley is a starter on a bad team and rotation player on a great team. Felton has been starting on good teams.
We didn't miss on a single pick, we just didn't hit home runs. Morrison got hurt, and may never got healthy. But both were really good players. We didn't have any terrence williams or joe alexander type picks.
But we managed to turn guys from prime prospects to mediocre (okafor, augustin, felton, henderson) and ruined morrison entirely by not letting him rehab and return properly.
Draft was the least of the problem. The trades ruined us. And the overpaying guys too.
Posted by: charlottean | Jan 19, 2013 5:37:16 PM
More gems from Louis tape and NASTAR15. I'm thankful this team does not care about your input.
Posted by: TJ | Jan 20, 2013 12:18:06 AM
Starting Biz in the lineup is like the Bobcats are playing 4 players against 5.Biz looks confused and out of position.Also he can't score, rebound or play defence. Last night he had 0 points,3 rebounds,0 blocks in 19 min.. He needs to earn playing time not have it given to him.TT is having a bad effect on MKG he will become a cancer on this team.Send Biz to the D LEAGUE! He is worse than the French guy Alex the Bobcats drafted.
Posted by: Big FAN | Jan 20, 2013 2:25:36 PM
The drafts, the trades, the player development. All of the above were Higins responsibility. Guy must have photos of Jordan. I am all for bringing in Cho, it if Higgins was any good, they would have never hired Cho.
Posted by: Skip | Jan 20, 2013 5:45:05 PM
Bottom line is that no player with any worth wants to come to Charlotte. Initially I was one of the niave people who thought Michael would draw the cream of the crop once he took ownership because of the players associated with his brand. But that ain't happening! Look at Antwan Jameson; he choose to end his career sitting on the bench for a winning team rather than stay at home and play in front of his Family and friends. Speaks volumes about the state of this organization and it's preception in the League. Let's stop kidding ourselves. The only way to end this cycle is getting lucky in the draft. And I am no longer that patient.
Posted by: Broken Hearted | Jan 21, 2013 11:09:28 AM
Our only chance is lucky draft playing out and trade for someone with a few years to go who is good.
Charlotte is awesome town to live in but no one is flocking here for NBA FA
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jan 22, 2013 3:32:42 PM
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