February 21, 2013
Some background on Warrick-for-McRoberts swap
The Charlotte Bobcats did a deal at the trade deadline, but it won’t exactly change the course of the franchise.
The Bobcats moved one little-used power forward, Hakim Warrick, for another little-used power forward – Orlando’s Josh McRoberts.
This makes the Bobcats a bit younger: McRoberts, who played at Duke, is in his sixth NBA season, while Warrick is in his eigth. It also shaves a couple hundred thousand off the Bobcats’ salary cap.
But this is essentially a bit player for a bit player. Warrick played in only one of his last 11 games as a Bobcat. McRoberts played in three of his last four games with the Magic, never for more than 14 minutes.
McRoberts’ contract ends at the conclusion of this season. Warrick has a $4 million team option for next season.
The 6-10, 240-pound McRoberts was one of the country’s top recruits when Mike Krzyzewski signed him. He went in the second round of the 2007 draft to Portland and has bounced around to three other teams – Indiana, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Magic.
He averages 3.9 points and 3.3 rebounds this season. His shooting has fallen off considerably this season, from 50 percent for his career, to 39 percent in 2012-13.
The Bobcats acquired Warrick early this season in a trade that sent Matt Carroll to the New Orleans Hornets. The Bobcats needed depth and more scoring at the power forward position.
Warrick started 14 games while Byron Mullens was out with an ankle sprain in January. Coach Mike Dunlap made a switch to Jeff Adrien in late January, shortly before Mullens’ return. That dropped Warrick out of the rotation entirely – he played in one more game, six minutes at the end of a blowout loss at Cleveland.
Posted by Observer Sports on February 21, 2013 at 03:54 PM | Permalink
Basically we took Matt Carroll's expiring $4.3 million and turned it into what is left of a $3.4mil expiring...
Posted by: Andrew | Feb 21, 2013 4:01:19 PM
It sounds like Blair and Hickson were being dangled out there. Don't understand why we didn't pull the trigger. Does it make sense to keep together a bad core?
Posted by: Spaceman mike | Feb 21, 2013 4:05:01 PM
I just read that Orlando is waiving Warrick. If McRoberts is making less than Warrick, why would Orlando do this trade?
Posted by: OffTheRadar | Feb 21, 2013 4:07:51 PM
Bobcats should try and trade for Eric Bledsoe this offseason. He is a top 5 athlete in the league and a great defender. He also hasn't fully developed so they wouldn't have to give him a max contract.
Posted by: Jason | Feb 21, 2013 4:24:52 PM
Spaceman, I can certainly say that both Portland and San Antonio were asking for too much and none of those players is a huge difference maker.
My real question is what happen with the Ben Gordon for Kris Humphries trade? That would have been a good one.
Posted by: RobC | Feb 21, 2013 4:25:10 PM
Part of the plan !
Posted by: chris in union county | Feb 21, 2013 4:25:20 PM
this is pathetic
Posted by: jason | Feb 21, 2013 4:28:34 PM
How in the world did this happen??? What happened to aggressively pursuing improvements???? Ridiculous. No one wants to come play for a team that SAYS they're building a winner but shows nothing to back it up. Even if the potential freeagents this summer would be considering coming here to play, they'll remember that our coach is actually an assistant coach at a mid-major college. Then they'll change their minds and go play for a team that at least hires a good coaching staff. WE'RE AS GOOD AS A QUALITY COLLEGE TEAM BECAUSE WE'RE RAN and built LIKE ONE!!!
Posted by: St. John's assistant coach? Seriously? Damn right! | Feb 21, 2013 4:29:28 PM
RobC, that trade would have been a home run for the BOOBcats, but a lousy one for the Nets. If team mgmt had been able to keep Ben happy and under control they might have been able to pull it off, but no, they couldn't keep Ben happy. The ESPN radio guys said Ben's reputation as a "problem in the locker room" squashed the trade.
Ben Gordon = untradeable due to attitude problems.
Tryus = untradeable, can't play.
Diop = untradeable, can't play.
None of our three highest paid,players are tradeable, is this part of THE PLAN?!?
BOOBcats did try to trade "Hendo", nobody wanted him.
The Plan.....aaaah, The Plan.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 4:35:25 PM
The plan is sound have faith. Cho would work any of you, mental midgets.
Posted by: Timmy's | Feb 21, 2013 4:49:01 PM
Let me help some of the less educated...
- Diop is in the last year of his deal.
- Thomas will be amnestied.
- Gordon will have one more year left which will make his expiring contract more attractive. Plus he came with first round pick.
*There you go...I hope you now understand how things work. What a complete moron.
Posted by: Rev | Feb 21, 2013 4:56:30 PM
im just excited its not another 6'7" guy.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Feb 21, 2013 4:57:39 PM
And the Bobcats want us season ticket holders to renew!!!!!
Posted by: Jim | Feb 21, 2013 5:02:33 PM
Tyrus will never be amnestied because Air Minimum is too cheap.
Rev, how you feeling about Coach Dunlap?
Timmy, guys like you are the reason ponzi schemes and cults are alive and well.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 5:03:30 PM
In the past the Bobcats would have made some knee jerk move that would have set the team back even further. Showing restraint is a good thing. Probably all Cho.
They have a extra first rounders the next 2 years and cap space galore. Finally they have a plan and are actually in a position execute it.
Posted by: Jamie | Feb 21, 2013 5:03:31 PM
Let me help some of the less educated.
Diop is in the last year of his deal.
Thomas will be amnestied. No reason to do it up until this point. Only have of the teams in the NBA have done it so far.
Gordon came with a number one pick and will be gone after next season or sooner. Thank you Detroit. Enjoy Magette.
I really can't believe how dense some people are.
Posted by: Rev | Feb 21, 2013 5:22:11 PM
I LOVE THE BOBCATS! WIN OR LOSE! Always have and always will!
Posted by: Chilly | Feb 21, 2013 5:29:50 PM
NASTUPID. It's easy to come on a message board and make ridiculous postings since if you turn out to be wrong nobody remembers and it makes you look like you are somehow smarter than everybody else now...The Amnesty WILL be used, period. Wanna place a bet on that?
This team was seriously bad off, for sure, so it's going to take more than 2 seasons to turn things around a build a good foundation, and until that happens, there probably are not many big name free agents willing to sign here. So does that mean we blow the whole thing up, have Jordan sell the club, fire the coach and GM, and start all over again?? How long do you think it will take to recover from that?
The draft is what is important to us right now, and making moves to reduce salary cap numbers in the future...and they are doing both things as well as could be expected. It's not Jordan's fault that David Stern gave the only guaranteed STAR to New Orleans last year in the draft, although I'm sure you could come up with some brilliant reasoning as to how it's all his fault too.
Posted by: Brian Moore | Feb 21, 2013 5:33:17 PM
Cho...earned an engineering degree from Washington State University and worked as an engineer at Boeing in Seattle from 1989-94 before leaving to enroll at Pepperdine University School of Law in order to pursue his passion in professional sports. His law degree from Pepperdine includes an emphasis in sports law, contract negotiations and dispute resolution.
Nastar15...Internet troll who spends an inordinate amount of time posting negative comments about the Bobcats and has created imaginative nicknames like Shorty and Boobcats.
It was close, but I will go with Cho on this one.
Posted by: Timmy | Feb 21, 2013 5:34:16 PM
You people complaining are just dumb. Cry about coach, cry about no trades, wine about Kemba. Bobcats are in best position in franchise history. Diop, Reggie, McRoberts, and even Tyrus may all be gone next year. Only bad contract will be Ben's and we have one more year of it. Dunlap goes out of his way to communicate with young guys and set attainable goals to help them improve. He can stick around next year. We have soooo much cap space, we can sign Hickson in off season if we don't get big name. Kemba and MKG are coming along nicely, even Biz looks to have better footwork when he catches the ball. Were on our way UP with young talent for the first time ever. Get excited for this off season!
Posted by: Nickjamessss | Feb 21, 2013 5:36:46 PM
There were no reasons to make any moves now. The Bobcats are not going to the playoffs - even if they added an all-star. Too late now... So the only way you make a move now is if you can steal something. So they were not able to do that - so what. At least they didn't make a bad deal. McRoberts - who knows maybe he can play more than we think. If not - he is gone at the end of the year anyway and if he does provide something of value maybe we sign him for the minimum to be a backup at 3.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 21, 2013 5:39:13 PM
Here's a bet I'd like to make, let's call it a 10 year term for starters.
Every year the BOOBcats advance past the 1st round of playoffs I pay $5X.
Every year they lose in 1st round or do not make playoffs I collect $1X.
Choose your terms.
Anyone want the bet?
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 5:41:00 PM
No, no one wants to bets with you baby brain. You're not proving anything. Not even sure why you're a fan of this team...
Posted by: Nickjamessss | Feb 21, 2013 5:48:30 PM
That Nastar clown is no fan. I had a friend that used to work for the Cats. Told me the guy some joker that was terminated by the Bobcats. Big surprise. Obviously it was with cause.
Posted by: Skip | Feb 21, 2013 5:57:43 PM
^^^Now that is not exactly shocking. Though you have to be impressed with the Boobcats references. Brilliant. H
Posted by: Jamie | Feb 21, 2013 6:00:52 PM
I asked Bonnell in a tweet a while back if they would amnesty Tyrus, and this is what he said:
I doubt anything has changed. This doesn't mean Jordan is cheap by any means. We are a small market team that is losing millions every year. If you want a cheap owner look at the Chicago Bulls or Jerry Richardson.
Posted by: Jason | Feb 21, 2013 6:01:51 PM
Stick that bet up your &*^) jerk. Do you seriously think offering a bet on commnets section of newspaper blog proves your point. Oh my god are your dumb.
Posted by: Bernie Bickerstaff | Feb 21, 2013 6:03:23 PM
I'll take the "2nd round of the playoffs side."
Posted by: Kenneth Hart | Feb 21, 2013 6:04:52 PM
I think they will amnesty Thomas. He has gone from DNP to completely deactivated. Obviously something is up.
Posted by: Jimbo | Feb 21, 2013 6:06:16 PM
Glad they sttod pat. This team was on the wrong side of trades for years. It has been different since Larry Brown left. Keep the picks and the cap space. Should be a good off season for this team.
Posted by: Robbie Lewis | Feb 21, 2013 6:08:38 PM
That Nastar guy was fired the Bobcats? Wow. I wonder why? He seems so professional. See. The Bobcats are capable of making solid personnel decisions. Probably another good move by Cho that we can add to the list.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Feb 21, 2013 6:14:48 PM
Those complaining either forgot about all the BAD deals we've made previously pre cho or are the kind of genius that thinks josh smith or eric gordon would be worth a max contract.
No news is good news. They aren't keeping together a bad core. They're keeping together a young core. There's a huge difference. Thankfully they didn't trade henderson. I would have preferred hansbrough but not a huge difference with mcbobs.
1. I believe matt carroll's contract was 3.5 mil this year. 4.3 last year.
2. Nastar your bet is pretty dumb given that if the bobcats make it to the 2nd round twice in 10 years, the bet is a wash. Not very good at that either are you. 4/15 eastern conference teams do so every year. Highly likely that we do so several times 3 years from now going forward.
It's as if you guys watch the league and only watch the teams that are good and have absolutely no idea how bad they were previously or how they became good. We have an insanely young, raw and inexperienced rotation that has played a lot together this year. Watch how they develop chemistry going into next year. Add another 1 or 2 pieces. Subtract some dead weight.
We have legit cap room this summer for the first time since like 2005 or 2006. We have even more coming the following season. We have 2 incoming 1sts and 1 outgoing 1st that is top 12 protected for years. How are we in a bad situation?
Anybody that thinks mkg won't be AT WORST rudy gay in 5 years is nuts. Anybody that thinks kemba won't be AT WORST kenny anderson with a better attitude is nuts. And anybody that thinks biyombo won't be AT WORST horace grant is nuts.
These guys plus a mullens, taylor, henderson and another top 5 pick this year? How can you not be thrilled with management right now? And we have great trade chips for summer/next year in sessions, gordon, and haywood. We are in absolute prime position to be very good right at the point miami looses steam.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 21, 2013 6:18:54 PM
Get rid of non productive players Biyombo has no clue to what he is doing on the court put mullens at Center with his height can Haywood Diop Tyrus Thomas and Gordon these guys have no heart and hire a real coach not Rivera's twin who stands on the sidelines with his arms folded.
Posted by: R. T. Thomas | Feb 21, 2013 6:34:17 PM
Bobcats are a huge disappointment. Hey MJ, prove me wrong. Totally a WTF? team in my opinion. Five #1 picks in row over five seasons, story would be the same.
Posted by: rb` | Feb 21, 2013 6:46:56 PM
You guys aren't smart.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 21, 2013 6:57:28 PM
There are just a lot of haters out there. Hard to argue with the moves the Bobcats have made the last couple of years.
Posted by: Free | Feb 21, 2013 7:09:24 PM
Trust me I understand the terms of the bet -- and I see that none of you want it ;0) Except for Kenneth Hart that is, you are on!
Joking aside, in real life I have not found a single person willing to take that bet...and have offered it to a number of ticket holders all of whom sit in the first 10 rows. For now anyway, seats in front 10 rows are very expensive and none of them are getting anywhere near their money's worth...
As for the fired employee rumor that one is hilarious! I'm glad to see they are paying attention, assures me I'm on the right track!!
In case you are unaware, BOOBcat management tried their best to trade "Hendo"...
As for Pepperdine Law, doesn't make the top-50 on most lists, LOL. Think top-2...
Interesting info on that tweet Jason, so Bonnell is with me, no amnesty for Tyrus. What other reason would His Minimumness have for not amnestying Tyrus, other than money?
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 7:18:59 PM
^^^^glad they fired this jerk off. Who has the time to hate as much as this guy. probably spent all day on the internet like he does here. Never ween this kind of obsession. Very sad. Hopefully he will move on and find another job soon.
Posted by: Jaime | Feb 21, 2013 7:33:41 PM
I find it amusing that some clown who spends so much time posting on the Observer website is criticizing the law school that Cho went to. Now that is hilarious. Lets see. one person has his engineering and law degree and is an NBA GM. other person spends time running down the local NBA team on line. Gotta love Internet trolls.
Posted by: David | Feb 21, 2013 7:41:48 PM
I like this mice by the Bobcats. McRoberts will help them more than Warrick. In the end it amounts to Matt Carroll for Mcroberts. With a top 3 pick and 20 million in cap space. Not reason to make any bad moves.
Posted by: Spencer | Feb 21, 2013 7:47:07 PM
Charlottean is dead on. All those young players. More on the way. Cap space and more expiring contracts next year. To say there is no plan is complete and utter ignorance, will take them 2 more years and they will be a 7 or 8 seed with much more upside thank they had the last time the made the playoffs. It could not be more clear. Unless you are short term thinker, fortunately it looks like the Bobcats are not any more.
Posted by: Rev | Feb 21, 2013 7:52:29 PM
This will be a critical offseason. I think the 1st pick in the draft should be Cody Zeller(Nerlens Noel before his injury). I think the 14th pick should be either James MacAdoo, Archie Goodwin, or Victor Oladipo. I don't know if a big name freeagent will come here, so a mid-level freeagent might be the best this team can acquire. I think waiting until after the 2014 draft where they could get 2 more high draft picks should be the time to make a big splash in freeagency, which should make this team a sustainable winner after the youth on this team matures.
Posted by: will | Feb 21, 2013 7:53:57 PM
Oh there's a plan, but it won't work.
20-100 in the Kemba Era.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 7:56:41 PM
Hey, what did your "friend" say my job was?!?
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 8:02:54 PM
Most of these people here have no idea how trades work. They just want a name brand player with a 15mil contract, and no playoffs. Next ofseason should be a good one for us. Hopefully.
Posted by: David | Feb 21, 2013 8:03:23 PM
Better days are ahead...
The Bobcats no longer have (9)Higgins, Carroll, Brown, Maggette, Diaw, D J White, Augustine, Najera and Warrick....in their place, they've added (8)Haywood, Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Sessions, Adrien, Taylor, McRoberts and Williams.
Add (6)Biyombo, Diop, Henderson, Mullens, Thomas and Walker and you have the current roster of 14 players.
By drafting Alex Len from Maryland and Kenny Kadji from Miami, we'd upgrade our front line...dropping Haywood and Thomas.
Diop's contract is over after this season...thankfully, he'll be gone. We'll have four guys that can play center or power forward and not be a guard oriented team...we'll be a complete team... a better team, and we'd only have to jettison Gordon and find a good 3-point 2G to have a quality group of guys.
Posted by: Cup half full... | Feb 21, 2013 8:09:36 PM
Hire GM. Clear cap space. Add draft picks. Develop young players. That looks likes plan to me. Based on how they now approach things like the trade deadline looks like they are sticking with it. I would like to know what else they should be doing. It's not like an plan happens over night. Looks like they committed to this about 2 years ago.
Posted by: Alan A. | Feb 21, 2013 8:15:55 PM
Did I miss something? Was Kemba the starting point guard last year? How can anyone pin last years record on a rookie backup?
Posted by: Johnny Boy | Feb 21, 2013 8:19:18 PM
The plan is solid and I'm glad they didn't make a panic move to pacify people that don't understand how the cap works. Last time we made a trade deadline move to bring in some young talent, we gave up a 1st for Tyrus Thomas. We compounded that error that summer by giving him the crazy contract.
It made sense to not amnesty Tyrus this past offseason ( although I would have). They gave the new coach a season to evaluate him and try to turn him around. That has failed and I fully expect them to cut bait this summer and send him packing. This could also help offset his contract obligations from the team as I'm sure some team will make a $2M waiver claim on him and the money he is paid by another team is deducted from what we have to pay.
Hopefully, the fact the Henderson didn't get traded is an indication that other teams don't value you him very highly. It would be good if we can keep him next season for only his QO. I don't see him here long term because I don't think he accepts 6th man money and I think we get our SG of the future in the draft.
PDX's 1st rounder they owe us. I think PDX fades and they keep their pick this year and we end up with 3 lottery picks in the 2014 draft that is projected to have more talent than 2013.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Feb 21, 2013 8:28:28 PM
Cho...earned an engineering degree from Washington State University and worked as an engineer at Boeing in Seattle from 1989-94 before leaving to enroll at Pepperdine University School of Law in order to pursue his passion in professional sports. His law degree from Pepperdine includes an emphasis in sports law, contract negotiations and dispute resolution.
Nastar15...Internet troll who spends an inordinate amount of time posting negative comments about the Bobcats and has created imaginative nicknames like Shorty and Boobcats. Edit....also came up with Air Minimum and was fired by the Bobcats.
Even with these changes i will still with Cho on this one.
Posted by: Timmy | Feb 21, 2013 8:34:27 PM
Just a note on that tweet to Bonnell above: That was asked of him last July during the amnesty window. It didn't make sense then but it certainly makes sense this summer. I would wager that we amnesty him for sure.
Posted by: Cats4Life | Feb 21, 2013 8:41:23 PM
If you're gonna be The Man you have to take ownership -- clock starts on Kemba's arrival. He is the Franchise Player, right? 20-100 in the Kemba Era.
1-24...in case you wondered that was the record last year in games Shorty started.
Cats4Life, why would it make any more sense to amnesty Tyrus this year than last? You just may be right, curious as to your logic.
Bottom line is amnestying Tyrus means paying out his full contract regardles...seems like we could have signed a bunch of 10-day contract guys that would have given him as much or more this year?
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 21, 2013 9:31:53 PM
Glad they sat tight. Really like what Kemba Is doing. Marked improvement from last year. Based on his work ethic, should continue to improve. Slight upgrade in his numbers makes him an all- star. MKG has a ways to go, but what he is doing at 19 is impressive. Biz is probably the longest shot, but is only 20 and has played less basketball than he other 2. Hoping for Len in the draft. True low post player. Add Wiggins or Parker next year and you have the makings of a serious team. Just that they have set themselves up for this is amazing.
Posted by: Hempstead | Feb 21, 2013 10:12:32 PM
Regarding Tyrus, I believe there was some optimism that he would thrive in Dunlap's up tempo system. I was hopeful he would at least be a valuable energy guy off the bench who could rebound and block some shots.
It's tough for a cash strapped small market team like us to use the amnesty provision because you're effectively paying someone not to play. But considering he is healthy and is still being listed as inactive, we are already paying him not to play anyway so there is no sense in dealing with his attitude. Plus, doing it this summer means we're only eating 2 years instead of 3. I'm thinking next year is the year we should start turning the corner and looking to strike in the free agent and trade market so getting rid of him would help complete the house cleaning.
The bonus of the amnesty, however, is that although we still have to pay him, it does not count against the cap so we would have more money to spend on other players without it counting against us.
Posted by: Cats4Life | Feb 21, 2013 10:52:09 PM
too much negativity....team sucks....so what....we need that kansas shooting guard...
Posted by: Scott | Feb 22, 2013 1:16:07 AM
Not getting a bite for Henderson does not mean that teams did not value him as there are a number of variables involved. The Cats would not be against trying to lower his value to re-sign him on the cheap whc is the only way to keep he n Mullens. Anybody likening Biz to Horace Grant is so far off its not worth commenting. The core of Biz who has zero offense, Mkg who can't shoot and rarely plays over 17 minutes a game and an undersized pt gd that gets abused nightly on defense is one of the worst cores going forward in the league. And they have the record to prove it.
They tried to shop statistically a better than average starter 2 gd who is in the top 5 on defense at 2 gd. He's the best 2 way player on the team. When he gets 35 minutes a game and doesn't split time, he gets you 17 or 18 a night. You never trade a top defender unless your the Cats. He and Mullens have not been offered contracts and they should be the core along w a trade for Bledsoe at pt gd. Then draft bigs w the 2 picks you have. Get rid of TT and Gordon at all costs and start Sessions or use him as bait.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 2:55:47 AM
And Mkg is salvageable. He will be a good shooter . His defense is tremendous and dribble drives , the best in the business . Biz will never amount to being a good player. Cho should have taken Faried. And the coaches picked Kyrie Irving to replace Rhondo. He's got good size and can do everything w the ball and unlike Kemba , is no liability on defense. If you rebuild around those three , Kemba, Mkg n Biz , you will never get to the first round probably but never ever get out. The core should be Sessions , who's gone if he doesn't start. Henderson ,who's gone if he doesn't start. Mkg n Mullens. Get a scoring 2 way big and some solid picks and you're on your way.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 4:12:50 AM
You need Mclemore , the guy who just choked up a 3 for 9 performance who got outplayed badly against his rival . Lol. His defense is overrated. The Cats need a scoring big that can play w his back to the basket and play d.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 4:16:07 AM
Mkg should be in the core
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 4:18:54 AM
Can someone break down the draft pick situation for the bobcats the next couple years?
Posted by: Josh | Feb 22, 2013 8:33:44 AM
NASTAR is very accurate and objective in his comments, regarding the B00Bcats. Henderson is an awful player, a lousy outside shooter, and the Cats are stuck with this loser. What good is it to have a young team when the players are NOT top notch nor imposing? No, His Airheadness destroyed a perennial playoff team, so that he could save himself a few dollars. Now, the Cats are the NBA's laughingstock, as no legitimate free agent wants to come to a losing organization.
I been listening to the constant mantra of keeping the faith, keep hope alive and believe. When is reality going to set in for you dopes? This is not a future playoff team, nor shall anyone ever even mention the playoffs again until the year 2020. Get your head out of your ass and wake up, because the B00Bcats roster may be young, yet they have no playoff type players on their current roster.
Posted by: Bill James is a phag | Feb 22, 2013 9:23:06 AM
It's simple, when you have NBA's worst bigs you will lose a lot of games. Kemba is solid with Sessions/Henderson/Gordon providing some scoring. Only recently after Mullens injury has he been scoring but you can't count on him every night. Franchise is still reeling after the horrible drafts and trades (Tyrus Thomas). Biyombo is still so raw and his best NBA comparison is Ben Wallace outside of the bad hands and no feel for the game. Gotta get rid of the dead weight on the team and they are coming off soon. Gordon was a good trade in nabbing a 1st rd pick. Cho is doing a lot better than Higgins but still need some patience of course.
Posted by: EP | Feb 22, 2013 9:49:20 AM
Lol. You lose big credibility w Henderson being lousy. He's averaging 16 in the last 10 games nd 15 in the month of Feb. that's better than over 66% of the starting two gds in the nba. He's a top 5 and for sure top 10 defender at sg and defends small forwards. No top teams made trades of significance so does that mean they didnt want Josh Smith. The Grizzlies and Knicks and Bioston would take him next yr for sure. Only a handful average over 18 that start at two gd.t those are the cold facts.
You're right about the front office. Higgins said they would go to no length . Lol. They will once again lose first rounders they develop for nothing. Sessions won't re- sign . Watch. Why would he sit behind Kemba who's not a better scorer over 40 minutes , not a better facilitator whatsoever and a worse defender. It's a joke. To still not have a scoring big that can play defense is a crime. Cho should be fired as he was w Portland.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 9:57:30 AM
The only person that thinks NASTAR15 makes sense is NASTAR15. Blaming Kemba Walker for last years 7 win season? No one player deserves all the credit or blame for anything. Complete D-Bag Hater.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder (2) | Feb 22, 2013 10:36:57 AM
I think the Cats are in a great position. I would go after the Utah center in free agency hard - Al Jefferson - the guy is a beast. Pair him with Mullens and bring in Biyombo off the bench to back them up and we are a playoff team next season.
As far as the draft goes - well - I am not all that thrilled with any of them. We have enough depth at point and two guard so most likely I would target a post player to rotate with Mullens, Biyombo and hopefully Jefferson. Cody Zeller is the only guy I see worth a top five pick. Someone said McAdoo... wow - really? I would pick him in the middle of the second round until he learns to rebound and play defense. He is not a good enough shooter to play three and way to weak to play four. NBA project right now.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 10:52:04 AM
Seriously....sessions is under contract for next year already. Biz and mkg are 19 and 20. You are criticizing guys that are 10 years younger than the guys you want them to be. In 5 years they will be that. You clearly haven't watched the games because biz has clearly developed his offense greatly from last year. Has he gotten to the point of scoring with consistency? No but that's also not his role on the team. He has gotten to the point where his has a good looking shot and solid moves in the post. Unfortunately our guards don't look to the post much at this point. But the guy is top 10 in blocks and a solid improving rebounder.
At age 20. Horace grant came into the league at 22. The most he ever scored was like 13 a game. Biz will be a 10/10 and 3 guy for over 10 years. Let the kid grow up. Wait till he adds some bulk to that frame with age. And wallace couldn't shoot either so I wouldn't worry about mkg developing a jumper over time.
Even lebron didn't win a ring when he was 20.
And for all the henderson hate...."horrible outside shooter" he's making 40% this year. You guys must hate facts and knowledge and actually watching the games.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 22, 2013 10:55:58 AM
Iron Man - no doubt Sessions should be starting at point. Kemba is better off as a spark off the bench simular to Vinnie Johnson back in the day. Although he isn't close to the Microwave but perhaps he can evolve into that type player. Sessions is a starter on most teams. Henderson should not leave the game unless he is in foul trouble or tired. Odd man out is realy Gordon who I think can still be a star if he is given the playing time. I would actually start Sessions, Gordon, Henderson, Mullens and Biyombo. Sure we would be a little undersized at two and three but this is our best scoring team and last I checked scoring was an issue for this team.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 10:58:53 AM
And BTW - by starting Sessions, Gordon and Henderson that takes some pressure off Kemba, Taylor and MKG so they can focus on developing. We know Gordon will be gone after next year so then we can move Henderson back to two and start MKG at three. So what happens if we give Gordon a lot of miuntes and be starts averaging 24 a game? Then we can trade him for something by the trade deadline next year. There will be a playoff team next year that will want another shooter and likely trade us a first round pick for him. This is where i don't agree with the Cats. Why are they in such a rush to give all the minutes to Kemba and MKG? Let them develop and play the vets for now
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 11:05:53 AM
Anybody who knows hoops knows Sessions is our best point guard. Kemba is good and has potential but lacks consistency. Gordon and Henderson are our best shooters at guard. Sessions and Henderson should be starting for the next five years for this team. Kemba is a solid backup point.
If we have Sessions, Henderson, MKG, Mullens and Jefferson as our starting five with Kemba, Biyombo, Taylor, Gordon and whoever we draft this year (Zeller) rotating in off the bench this team will challenge for the playoffs next year.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 11:22:22 AM
What a bum. Bobs will not be good until they get a franchise player.
Posted by: Jason | Feb 22, 2013 11:28:37 AM
I simply can't comment on Biz being as good now or ever as Horace Grant. I like Biz but he's terrible. He has zero lateral quickness or agility. The only reason they moved him to center is bc he gets killed by power forwards who can move. His hands are atrocious. Bc if his poor agility and hands, he won't develop. So many guys are way better. Enough.
While I agree w you guys about Sessions and Henderson , I don't share the same feelings about Gordon. He can shoot. In all fairness , in .Det and here, he has or had no pass first pt gd that gets him the ball in rhythm where he needs it. He's a catch n shoot guy. When he handles the ball , he's a turnover machine. And he's resting on defense. Kemba has zero abilities to understand how to create and get Gordon the ball in rhythm . This is huge and all the difference. Using him for long periods tho , still hurts the team negatively in many ways. Most is the ball stops moving and so do the players. You can't let him touch it unless he's loading up to shoot. Sessions can do this if forced to as he did it w the Lakers but is here gunning but is still a tru pt gd.
Sessions can facilitate but gets in the lane , draws 2 defenders but refuses to pass to an open teammate. He draws fouls so he gets a pass. Kemba can't make those passes. If Sessions wants to win, he must involve the bigs so they can rebound, run , hustle and defend better whc only happens when they get dimes. Sessions knows too, how to kick out but he only does it for Gordon his boy. But still, he's the only tru pt gd and should be starting. Free agents won't come here w Kemba running the point. He's not a facilitator . The coaches know it and chose Kyrie even on a losing team. Plus Higgins n Cho gave him the keys. Lol. You don't give keys to a guy who can't facilitate, make solid decisions all game and in crunch time and keep opposing pt gds out the lane. He's too mall. Yes , he can be a Vinny Johnson. Dunlap will be fired bc he's not coaching him like Pop did Parker. Period.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 22, 2013 11:52:50 AM
People who think Kemba can't facilitate are flat out wrong. Averaging 5 assists on this team is like averaging 8 on any other in the league. He scores because he has to and unfortunately alot of his shots come late in the shot clock when they throw the ball back out to him because no one else can make a play. There is no doubt as this team gets better, Walker will be a much better facilitator than Sessions.
I wonder if people even watch the games. Count how many assists he loses out on because some misses a mid range shot or just can't finish around the basket. It is at least 5 times on most nights.
Posted by: Captain America | Feb 22, 2013 12:08:09 PM
Some nice commentary today fellas, good to see some level headed analysis dilute the rampant slurperism.
Cats4Life, I like your thought process on Tyrus relative to possibly doing well in Dunlap's system. In fact, there was one game recently where Dunlap singled out Tyrus as the only player who actually put up in that particular game. Seems like Tyrus's health continues to hold him back.
Iron man, watch out or they'll start calling you all sorts of names, say you are a fired BOOBcat employee, etc...VERY active minds these slurpers have ;0) More likely extreme paranoia! Do the BOOBcats really monitor these boards to that degree? Boy, if so they are in way worse shape than I ever realized! (I don't believe they do)
If Kemba is going to be The Man, The Franchise Player, he has to shoulder the load. Kemba Era started last year, 20-100, simple as that.
There's a reason Sessions had been getting more minutes and Kemba's are down...think about it fellas.
Lastly, and I preface this by saying personally I like Kemba just fine, nice fella he is, but Shorty is undersized, playing out of position, and he will NEVER be an All-Star at any position in the NBA -- EVER. Write it down.
I'm not aware of any Franchise Player that led his team deep into the playoff who was never an All-Star...it's a mutually inclusive situation.
Think about this, in the Rookie/Sophomore game there were 20 players and Shorty was 1 of 4 that went unpicked. To add insult to injury, 4 rook/soph Point Guards WERE PICKED ahead of Shorty. Add in all true All-Star PG's as well as players like Derrick Rose, John Wall and Steph Curry and Shorty really isn't in the top half of the league's best PG's. Never an All-Star, sorry.
PS...the real problem is the "executive office", and I use that term loosely, that office is stocked with a bunch of boobs. They've put the players in a bad position and Buttfumble is a perfect example, making him a 7 pick was bad for him, and bad for the team.
PPS...for anyone who missed, Chris Paul led his team to the win and was the All-Star MVP this year ;0)
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 12:51:05 PM
One other important point you slurpers fail to recognize...
...Michael Jordan is now in his 7th year of complete control over the BOOBcats.
His Airheadedness assumed complete control when he was appointed Managing Member of Basketball Operations in June of 2006.
7 years at the wheel and looks where we are now -- complete and utter disaster.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 1:14:19 PM
Chauncey billups wasn't an all star until AFTER 2 deep playoff runs and a finals mvp.
Guys' careers aren't made in 1.5 seasons. Evan turner was horrible for 2 years and now he looks like he can the 3rd wheel to a holliday/bynum force of a sixers team.
Paul george wasn't much until this year.
Jeremy lin wasn't even making rosters now he's starting on a playoff team.
Durant lost a ton of games his 1st 2 years 59 and 62 i believe. It's as if you guys hate facts.
Jordan didn't even post a winning record until his 3rd season. And he was 21 as a rookie. Let biz and mkg grow up. Give kemba and byron and gerald time to gel. Give dunlap time to coach them up. It has never NOT worked as a model. Never has a team drafted 5 or 6 talents high, kept em together for 5 years and not made the playoffs consistently from there.
Memphis was horrible, indiana was horrible, okc was horrible, the clippers were horrible, golden state was horrible, etc. Etc. Etc.
You guys are talking about starting sessions and gordon..... what good would that do? Are THEY making the playoffs? No. So how does that help us? It lowers experience and draft position for a few more wins. Awesome. Great strategy geniuses.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 22, 2013 1:34:16 PM
Give us a specific team who successfully employed this model, and list the draft picks and following results,
Lots and lots of detail please. I mean really dig deep. Show us who was picked, how long the turnaround took, and what the end results were.
If it's out there I'd like to know about it...
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 1:58:51 PM
The reason you start Sessions and Gordon is because Sessions is still young and is better than Kemba while Gordon has trade value only when he is playing and scoring. Even though I would start Gordon I would mostly do it for his ego - in the end he would not get more than like 28 minutes a game unless he was hot and playing defense. If we made Sessions the starter he would stay here the rest of his career - and take the team the playoffs. Look - i don't dislike Kemba I just think he is better coming in off the bench to provide a spark with his quickness - I don't like him running the team.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 2:09:41 PM
As far as the draft - Zeller is the clear number one in this draft - even before Noel got hurt. I like Kenny Kadji with the other first rounder assuming we don't lose it somehow. I would seriously consider Reggie Johnson at the top of the second round if he lasts that long. Kadji projects as a 6'11" three in the NBA who can shoot. Johnson is a banger under the basket who would be solid backup for somebody like Al Jefferson. Even though i like Mullens if we get Zeller and sign Jefferson then we have to let Mullens walk in free agency.
ok - some will say I am dreaming but IF we could get Jefferson and win the lottery we could have MKG, Zeller, Jefferson as our starting front line backed up by Kenny Kadji, Biyombo and Reggie Johnson. That is a very strong front line....
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 2:35:58 PM
Some of you guys overvalue big time free agents. It seems entirely possible that a team starting five big stars: Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard and World Peace are in danger of NOT making the playoffs. Yet, some of you would think that we should be immediate champions if we signed any two of them. MJ and Cho are a lot smarter that people posting here.
Posted by: jimm | Feb 22, 2013 2:42:57 PM
jimm - so you are saying you would not try to get Al Jefferson and draft Zeller #1 if we win the lottery? That seems like a no-brainer to me. If we don't win the lottery and get Zeller then we re-sign Mullens. The key is adding Jefferson who is not a huge name and has played for small market teams including Minnesota and Utah so the Cats can get him. He is 28 or 29 - so he would be good for another three or four years at least. Dude is a beast who we could get. He is an 8 year vet who is still young since he joined out of HS. The key for the Cats are getting players who will improve the team who are OK with a small market. Jefferson is the best FA out there for the Cats.
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 3:26:49 PM
Wow - i can't add - he is around 26 or 27 years old... Even better
Posted by: DOM | Feb 22, 2013 3:28:07 PM
The Lakers have two issues - #1 is age and #2 is too many stars. Some of those stars are very close to the end of their careers too. Nash - 39. Kobe - 34. World Peace - 33. Gosal - 32. Howard -27. Al Jefferson is 28 and I would take him over Howard any day. Henderson and Mullens are due pretty big raises this off-season so we might not be able to afford Jefferson who will be looking for around 17M a year...
Posted by: dirty | Feb 22, 2013 3:37:28 PM
The Kemba hate is ridiculous. His stats have improved tons already - even his metric stats are legit (he has a better PER than Rondo this year). He'll become a better distributer as the team falls into place around him, and that will also let him pick and choose better shots. The Cats are positioned for some nice picks over the next few years, they are young with lots of growth ahead of them, and they have tons of cap space to make moves.
You fair-weather fans exist in every city, and you're lame in every city. Go watch the Yankees while real fans keep supporting their city.
Posted by: Carr | Feb 22, 2013 4:02:20 PM
WTF is with this NASTARIS idiot? The Bobcats cleared the decks, opened up some cap space and added draft picks. What the hell are they supposed to do? It is a perfectly logical path. They can know draft players. Duh. And actually have money to sign free agents Duh. What a freaking moron this guy is.
How they draft and who they convince to come can always be argued, but that will play itself out. Up until now they could not really even particiapte in either area.
Posted by: Pogo | Feb 22, 2013 4:19:36 PM
keep spinning those wheels Bobcats! Maybe one day we can get into second gear!
Posted by: joe cool | Feb 22, 2013 4:24:09 PM
I am so happy they didn't pull a Larry Brown at the deadine. Really looking forward to the next 2 drafts. 4 number one picks. Boom!
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder (2) | Feb 22, 2013 4:55:02 PM
Pogo...sounds like that idiot was canned by the Bobcats. I can now understand the non-stop negative posting. Had to be a reason. Even though the team is horrible, no one would waste that much time.
Posted by: Jaime | Feb 22, 2013 4:59:14 PM
What are you guys so mad about? LOL.
Don't forget, we are almost 7 years into MJ's tenure and are 20-100 in our last 120...when will it get better, year 19? (like Panther's are promising)
Citing Kevin Durant as an example of how things can improve is not a credible response -- we have nobody on our team even close to Kevin Durant.
As usual, lots of anger, lots of name calling -- ZERO solid answers or solutions.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 5:15:59 PM
Holy %^*)...it all adds up. Who originally posted the info on this guy? Would be interesting to know the back story.
Posted by: Rev | Feb 22, 2013 5:44:07 PM
A quote from Feb. 2012 in an article Rick wrote:
"Jordan also said that while the Bobcats are in a rebuilding mode, he never anticipated a season where the team would finish last in the league, much less with what could be the worst winning percentage in NBA history."
Read that closely. Jordan said he "never anticipated a season where the team would finish last"...now hold that thought.
Not only did we finish last, we finished last by a WIDE margin. The next worst team in the NBA won 20 games -- we won 7, s-e-v-e-n, yup seven. For every game we won the next worst team won 3.
But Michael never saw it coming.
Now here's the real problem, we have already clinched LAST, AGAIN, in back to back years.
If MJ didn't see it coming the first time I will guarantee you he didn't see it coming a second time, AFTER adding the overall #2 pick.
The only logical conclusion is that The Plan is waaaaay off the tracks at this point and not going anything close to, well, Plan ;0)
Bottom line, incredibly bad management team that needs wholesale changes starting with a new owner.
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 5:46:50 PM
4 number ones in the next 2 years. Might have 3 When Parker and Wiggins come out next year. That would be perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder (2) | Feb 22, 2013 5:47:00 PM
The more this guy posts, the clearer it is. Funny how he is trying to sound more reasonable now. They probably monitored his time on-line and cut him loose. It has to be astronomical. Being a standard troll is bad enough. Guy is at another level.
Posted by: Jaime | Feb 22, 2013 5:56:42 PM
The "plan" can work. It has worked out quite well for the Indiana Pacers. They are a first place team. With Paul George, Roy Hibbert, Danny Granger, Lance Stephenson, and Tyler Hansbrough all being lifetime Pacers. They did exactly what the Bobcats need to do, sign a 2nd tier FA or two (David West and George Hill) and thats a first place team. It can happen. Will it happen for the Bobcats? Maybe...
Posted by: Fraser | Feb 22, 2013 6:43:27 PM
You guys make it so easy...
1. Pacers worst season in last ten years is 32 wins, so clearly they never implemented The Plan that Air Minimum is using.
2. Pacers had a REALLY SMART leader running the show last 10 years, name is Larry Bird. Our leader is dumb.
3. When Larry left last summer Pacers brought in ANOTHER REALLY SMART leader to run the show, name is Donnie Walsh. Our leader is still dumb.
Pacers and BOOBcats are in no way comparable situations -- Pacer management are experts in the field all while we are like a novice hiker lost in a whiteout snowstorm in Yellowstone Park....
Posted by: NASTAR15 | Feb 22, 2013 7:22:12 PM
^^^Wow! I am really looking forward to the rest of the story on this guy. He must do this full time.
Bat Signal. Whoever outed him as a fired Bobcats employee, please provide more info.
Posted by: Rev | Feb 22, 2013 7:46:02 PM
this is goin deeper than last night.....
AND SH...T......... STOPS NOW YOU ARE PROFESSIONALS.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Feb 22, 2013 10:56:04 PM
This is so funny that people bring up the Pacers. They have 2 way players at every position Hibbert , Granger, Paul, West, Hill. They all play good defense and can score . Hibbert plays very solid team d and scores some and rebounds. The Cats have only 2 players that start and play defense. Biz is slow laterally and can't stay in front of people. His offense is atrocious and bc he has no hands or agility, he can't develop. Henderson and Mkg can play d. Thus comparing the Pacers is a joke at best. Teams built to win the finals all have at least 4 out of 5 starters that play d. And the Cats are shopping one of the 2 starters that can play. How smart are Cho and Higgins.
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 23, 2013 2:01:22 AM
Kemba gives up size but his block/steal stats are great. Turnovers are incredibly valuable.
Henderson and mkg i'm assuming are the 2 you are talking about, taylor is our best defender. Biz is top 10 in blocks at age 20 and i don't know about all this lack of quickness discussed. He's done great matching up with guys like KG and greg monroe and dwight howard. We don't put him on the sloth, we put mullens on him. Mullens is the only weak defender of the bench (and it's monday through sunday weak) sessions, gordon, and haywood have weighed us down a ton defensively.
As for the pacers record....they had 5 straight losing seasons. No they never hit rock bottom and drafted top 5, but they built through the draft and committed to their picks. They drafted granger, hibbert, george, stephenson, hansbrough, pendergraph, spent a pick on george hill, developed them all and gave guys extensions.
The whole point of the okc/durant comparison was that they were equally horrible while assembling pieces. So was chicago. So was everybody not in new york la or miami.
Our total experience in starting 5 is 11 seasons. And hendo and mullens sat 2 each out of that. You idiots gotta let the kids grow up.
Let em grow up. Another top 5 pick, another 1st from portland.....hopefully seth curry as a ufa......this group is going to be good.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 23, 2013 4:29:07 AM
We have had 12 first-round draft picks in the last 9 years. Of those picks 9 were top-13 and 7 were top-9.
Posted by: Spider S. | Feb 23, 2013 1:15:02 PM
The team failed to develop okafor, felton, augustin, ajinca still have henderson biyombo walker and mkg, traded dudley and wright and morrison and may had injuries. It's not complicated. Player development was the big issue. They gave up on guys after hurting them early on. Playing okafor at the 4. Playing felton and augustin at the 2. Giving up on ajinca at age 20. Not letting morrison come back from a devastating injury. Not doing a better job handling may's weight issues in relation to his knees. They could have passed on may but at 13 he was absolutely worth the risk/reward. When healthy he was capable of being great.
It's funny because everyone complains about THAT, yet they also complain about them playing the young guys now. They are FINALLY doing the right thing and making the right moves and developing their picks and more people are complaining now than ever.
Lotta uneducated fairweather "fans".
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 23, 2013 3:47:24 PM
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