June 10, 2013
Charlotte Bobcats acquiring Miami Heat's Chris Bosh would make little sense
I think the Charlotte Bobcats trading for Miami Heat big man Chris Bosh would turn out like when the Carolina Panthers acquired defensive lineman Sean Gilbert.
Gilbert played OK as a Panther. But the trouble the Panthers went to in acquiring him – sending two first-round picks to the Washington Redskins, plus signing Gilbert to a reported seven-year, $46 million contract – suggested he should have been way more than just OK.
Boston Globe NBA columnist Gary Washburn speculated in his Sunday notes column that since the Bobcats have abundant salary cap room and the need to make a big splash, then maybe trading for Bosh would make sense.
I don’t see it that way. Bosh is a complementary big man who generates most of his offense as a jump-shooter. The Bobcats need a low-post scorer, someone who can force the other team to double-team. That doesn’t sound like the Bosh I’ve watched in the playoffs.
Bosh has a very expensive contract. He’s owed three more seasons at a total cost of around $62 million. But he could also opt out of that deal before the 2014-15 season and the 2015-16 season.
So let’s say he comes to Charlotte and has a great season in 2013-14. He could then choose to become an unrestricted free agent and leave the Bobcats without compensation.
Worse yet, what if he underperformed, relative to his contract, in 2013-14? (Which very well could happen when opposing defenses focus primarily on him.) Then the Bobcats are stuck paying him more than $40 million over the following two seasons.
I just can’t see the merits of that risk, particularly if it involved sending the fourth pick to the Heat. The Bobcats have suffered through two awful seasons. They now have a high draft pick and considerable salary-cap flexibility. Bosh doesn’t strike me as worth giving up all those resources.
Posted by Observer Sports on June 10, 2013 at 11:36 AM | Permalink
Totally agree Rick!
Posted by: Rick | Jun 10, 2013 12:01:59 PM
Excellent analysis by Bonnell. It would be a great trade for the Heat. Bosh is overrated and is, at best, a complementary player. The power forward from Las Vegas, Bennett, would provide some inside presence.
Posted by: rb | Jun 10, 2013 12:06:13 PM
Bosh is nothing more than a glorified Byron Mullens. Mullens can perform the same jump shooting duties that Bosh can at a tenth of the price. Not interested, never will be interested, The Horncats better not make this move.
Posted by: Smitty | Jun 10, 2013 12:07:43 PM
No. Just no. That is a terrible move.
Posted by: Bryan | Jun 10, 2013 12:09:08 PM
great article. I totally agree.
Posted by: big gulps | Jun 10, 2013 12:12:03 PM
Spot on Rick, we already have three Bosh's,no more are needed.
Posted by: David | Jun 10, 2013 12:14:37 PM
These types of stories are laughable. No player of Bosh’s caliber is coming to the Bobcats. Jordan and Cho insured that two years ago when they decided to become the worst team in NBA history, in exchange for a non guaranteed chance at getting Anthony Davis. Even with the stigma of small market teams waning, the Bobcats have solidified themselves at the team players want to be least associated with. Best hope now is gambling on the next two drafts. Jordan has always been a gambling man, too bad he’s brought the fans into his little world.
Posted by: Only the Draft will help | Jun 10, 2013 12:16:04 PM
We'll all be pissed if the Horncats don't land a "name" this off season - but is this the one? How long is Antwan Jamison's deal out in LA? He may not be as big a name as Bosh (who I think is a great player who is getting lost as the Jan Brady of Miami's Brady Bunch Big 3), but he wasn't really making Toronto a contender when it was his team either...
Posted by: on_and_on | Jun 10, 2013 12:17:13 PM
What if we trade the lottery protected #1 from Portland and Tyrus Thomas for Bosh? Would Bosh at 12 million per season be worth while?
Posted by: usc88 | Jun 10, 2013 12:27:30 PM
Under what scenario would Bosh not pick up player options of $20 and $22 mil.? Those salaries would make him the 2nd highest paid player in the league this year. Also, if you think the Heat would trade a 29 year old HOFer with at least one ring (maybe two after this series) for the 4th pick in this draft you're crazy.
Posted by: Eduardo | Jun 10, 2013 12:35:33 PM
AAAAAAAAAMEN Rick! The front office MUST maintain the path of one more year! Use the cap space sparingly this offseason to sign a couple of solid pieces and then next offseason go full bore!
Posted by: Captain3 | Jun 10, 2013 12:42:37 PM
It makes slightly more sense if we are able to trade the Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon for Bosh and Batier, but I'm still against it. The fact of the matter is he's walking as soon as he can.
We have to get luck and pick up an up and coming star that people want to play with before we can trade for a big name and als KEEP him.
Posted by: Nick | Jun 10, 2013 12:49:15 PM
First of all Bosh is not a Hall of famer. Second.... Miami will have to move one of the big 3 within the next year or so to shed salary.. or pay a massive luxury tax. With the new collective barganing agreement in full effect teams will not be able to keep 3 max contract players. OKC and Mephis are prime examples.
Posted by: QCKat | Jun 10, 2013 12:58:26 PM
Trade back a few spots and draft Alex Len, from Maryland. I don't see how the Hornets can reasonably expect to sign the kind of big man they need in FA so they should draft one for the future and in this years class, Len is the best of the bunch.
Posted by: Shane P | Jun 10, 2013 12:59:13 PM
Bosh is better than any big man we have period. Bosh on a team with James and DWade doesn't get to perform in anything but a supporting role. On the Bobcats, he would be the #1 option. We need talent. You don't give away all the cap money to get him, but in a reasonable trade, yes.
Posted by: Star | Jun 10, 2013 1:01:22 PM
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH chris bosh hall of famer?
no effing way. if so, rasheed, joe smith, antonio mcdyess, jermaine o'neal, amare, etc. are all hall of famers. no way.
lebron, dwade, ray allen, sure. bosh? no.
miami will absolutely try to trade him. he will cost them like 60 million when you factor in the tax penalties. and he's their 5th best player at this point. he is much better suited for another team. he doesn't fit with lebron at all. he has games where he gets hot and they run it through him, but the majority of the time he's lost. they can replace him with a minimum contract like bird's.
dealing him makes sense for miami, for us? no way. he won't want to be here after arriving and his play will reflect that. he's 29 and our core players are 19-23. hard to see that working out well. IF and huge IF.....he feels a chip on his shoulder from his time in miami as the weak link of the trio and wanted to prove himself as THE MAN elsewhere......it maybe could work. we definitely need a 4 man. but what would we have to give up? probably 3 1sts and another trade chip or 2.
and nick nobody is taking thomas and ben gordon. no way. bosh would be a salary dump. they would want picks, cash and a trade exception to pluck any big contract from another team at a later date. if they timed it right, they could reacquire a similarly salaried player (think amare or chandler, brook lopez, roy hibbert, david lee, etc.) next year using that trade exception.
best fit for miami would be a bosh for jordan/bledsoe deal with the clippers. or a move for mcgee. guys like that would THRIVE with lebron.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 1:01:44 PM
This article is beyond a waste of time... there aren't even rumors the heat are looking to deal bosh to charlotte. Boo on you.
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10, 2013 1:06:08 PM
Stay the course, one more bad year!!!
Posted by: Timmy | Jun 10, 2013 1:06:16 PM
For what? So we can watch him scream when he hits 1 of his 50 3 point attempts? No thank you and that's what the Horncats should be saying.
Posted by: Mike W | Jun 10, 2013 1:20:41 PM
Chris Bosh's current HOF probability is around 89%. He is clearly a hall of famer. Check the numbers.
Posted by: Eduardo | Jun 10, 2013 1:23:17 PM
Bosh is a good player - but no way is he worth that kind of money or our #4 pick.
Cats need to either take Alex Len or Anthony Bennett at #4 or trade down.
Here are two trade down scenarios I would go after..
#4 to OKC for #12, #30 and #32. OKC doesn't have room on thier roster for more than one player this year anyway. Then you can draft Deing or Plumlee at #12 and then two guys from the Hardaway, Bulluck, Brown, Leslie and Rice group at #30 and #32. I want Bullock and Rice...
Or you could perhaps trade down with Atlanta for picks #17 and #18 then you could still get Plumlee, Dieng, Adams or Whithy at 17 and Hardaway at 18!
Their are some good two guards in this draft that will be on the board in the late first round and their are some solid big men who will be around between 10-20.
Posted by: Dom | Jun 10, 2013 1:23:27 PM
Alex Len is Sam Bowie version 2.0. No thanks.
As for "salary-cap flexibility", that means absolutely nothing when no marquee player would ever consider signing here. The Bobs are the mis-managed armpit of the league, players and agents are aware of that.
Posted by: Steve | Jun 10, 2013 1:34:39 PM
Trade down and take Plumlee and Hardaway!
Posted by: mac240 | Jun 10, 2013 1:50:22 PM
Have you seen how many draft picks we get this year? One. One single pick at the #4 spot. NOTHING later in the 1st and NOTHING in the 2nd.
The 'Cats not going to take on a max contract for a single year player option, i.e. Chris Bosh. Heck no, he is not a HOF'er and because of his contract status, he's not worth a Top 4 pick all by himself because the risk is too big.
We either trade down and get 2-for-1 picks or we select a starter at the 4 spot. The 'Cats will make a strong bid at Gerald Henderson and will probably toy with up to 8-8.5M a year on his 3yr deal. Don't sleep on McRoberts. He wants to play and be paid and he's a strong candidate to come back. It was a lot more fun attending games with both Hendo and McBob working hard and leading by example on a woefully talented team, especially when BG packed it in after his spat with Coach Dunlap.
Hey, when are the 'Cats going to rid themselves of TT or are they going to give him another "chance"? He's been the biggest disappointment along with Diop's expiring contract and Corey Higgins. I say if you are going to make a splash, let it please include TT in the deal. He's just not stable enough to be a part of the new culture they are trying to breed.
Posted by: Murdock | Jun 10, 2013 1:52:38 PM
How can one freakin' rumor have such legs!? Must be basketball silly season.
Posted by: eduardo | Jun 10, 2013 1:59:14 PM
Stay at four and hope Mclenmore falls or trade down with Timberwolves and pick up Zeller. We need offense. Therefore, should pick up best offensive wing or big man. Bennett = Tweener
Posted by: G2M | Jun 10, 2013 1:59:28 PM
@ Eduardo: I think most on here are replying because they're afraid the front office would actually consider such a move. ;-)
Agreed G2M. I have warmed up to Zeller. I think he will be better than his bro and has more athleticism. I'd like to see them stay at 4 and grab the best available or trade down and grab Zeller. Len's injury concerns me. 'CATS can't afford a Greg Oden type issue! Not that Len's ankle is equivalent.
Posted by: Murdock | Jun 10, 2013 2:05:45 PM
-- 8 time All-Star
-- NBA Champion
-- averaged 22 & 10 for 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS!
-- 50% from the field, 80% from the line over 10 years
"complimentary big man who generates most of his offense as a jump shooter".....huh?
The guy shot over 550 free throws for 6 straight years!
But Bonnell wants to judge him en total based on what he's "watched in the playoffs" in 2013. What a joke. Bosh plays with Dwayne Wade and Lebron, of course he's going to have to take a back seat. In Toronto he was the lead option and delivered -- period. If he went back to option #1 I'm certain he would pick back up right where he left off. Bonnell, your ability to analyze think critically, and in detail, is about nil.
Look, I don't think it would be a good idea either. If Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho chase this deal it will completely invalidate The Plan they've laid out (not that I have any hope for The Plan)...
...but lets not minimize Mr. Bosh's accomplishments, he is an elite player in the NBA -- better than any BOBcat ever, way better. We'd WAY better off with him on our team.
PS...I think Eduardo is correct, Bosh makes the Hall.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 2:17:05 PM
The fact that this move is ridiculous and wouldn't help the team is EXACTLY why Jordan and his cronies would consider it. They failed at creating an interesting winner, they've failed at creating any other kind of winner, and I guess now they might as well try and make an interesting loser. Ain't gonna work out, though. See Jordan's entire career as an executive for that.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Jun 10, 2013 2:18:16 PM
chris bosh is a go to guy on an 8 seed. 2nd option on a good team. 4th best player for the heat.
hall of famers don't go 17 and 7 when they are 29. I'm sorry that's BS, he could score 12 ppg and that's fine but 7 boards? ona team that
struggles to rebound? eff no. that is not a hall of fame big man.
chris bosh = ron harper. ron harper put up big numbers before winning a bunch of rings with the bulls and lakers. chris bosh, like harper, is a really really really good player. but he's not a hall of famer unless he gets in on lebron's coat tails.
all those years of 22 and 10 led to 2 playoff appearance and subsequent first round exits. vince carter played more playoff games in toronto than bosh.
and to the person who said there weren't even rumors.....yea there def were. several gms said miami was offering bosh as a salary dump and that we were one of the only teams interested.
that salary is critical. teams effed themselves giving guys max deals that didn't deserve em (looking at you indiana, brooklyn and new orleans) and then the new CBA is making it impossible to keep em. which was the whole point of the lockout. make the league more competitive. we have PLENTY of cap room, but he's not going to want to be here. if he said "yeah sure, i wouldn't mind" it's kind of a no brainer. but that's not the expected response.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 2:34:01 PM
Michael, it's kinda funny isn't....MJ has a 14 year track record of complete and utter futility but people think somehow he's going to figure out how to be a successful NBA exec and outfox guys like Riley, Walsh, Bird, Ainge, Popovich/Buford, etc...and soon! LOL, never happen.
As an aside, ever read Wojnarowski's recap of MJ's HOF speech? Just stumbled on it a little earlier.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 2:39:24 PM
you might well face it. this team will always be a joke for a basketball leader michael jordan for a ride and they took it 1hook 2line 3and sinker.this town is so gullible it is unbelieveable
Posted by: fredcoggins | Jun 10, 2013 2:48:10 PM
i don't think he's going to "figure it out" as much as he's going to stop trying and that alone will lead to success. the less hands on he is, the better.
he's done wonders for the franchise business wise. and they HAVE started doing the right things the past few years. this offseason is critical. they need development from biz and mkg and kemba, they have a million deals laying on the table right now and they have to figure out the best move and live with it.
i like the thomas robinson deal over the bosh deal for about 5 reasons. of course bosh is better than robinson is or will be but again, at what cost. too many eggs in 1 basket. we need a bunch of 10 million a year guys, not 20 million a year guys.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 2:49:22 PM
if jordan didn't buy the franchise, they're already in st. louis. and if not......the name change announcement would have had shawn kemp at the press conference.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 2:52:30 PM
Bosh at $20mm/per certainly brings more value than Gordon at $13mm.
charlottean, this team remains highly unprofitable. These little food drive appearances are all nice and good but the business prospects of the BOBcats remain very very doubtful. Credit to them for committing to the name change. Ding them for wasting so much time and money arriving at the obvious decision.
To MJ's credit he did put a halt to the VERY questionable charitable practices of Bob Johnson (horse show, etc....).
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 3:02:32 PM
i know the team is still losing a ton of money, but the team got worse personnel wise because of a rebuild and he still sold more season tickets during those years. that alone speaks to the great relationship with fans that bob johnson developed.
no doubt bosh exceeds gordon in value but gordon came WITH a 1st round pick not in exchange for one. and gordon's deal expires after this next one. bosh would have options going forward. huge options.
sky just went from light to black in a minute.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 3:08:22 PM
PS...charlottean, read Wojnarowski's recap of MJ's HOF speech, will give you some perspective on his inability to step back -- won't ever happen.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 3:09:05 PM
it already has to some degree. you think MJ wanted bismack?
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 3:16:47 PM
Pretty fair point you make there. So what kind of reaction does that elicit from MJ?
Sandy makes a compelling case that MJ just superseded the process and unilaterally offered Dunlap the job.
Which begs the question does MJ overshoot in the other direction again?!?! Can't win!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 3:48:28 PM
Good article. Totally agree. Bosch is way overpaid and overrated.
Posted by: par404 | Jun 10, 2013 3:49:30 PM
I think the Bobcats should build their franchise around Bosh. But what do I know? I gave Delhomme a ton of money after blowing a playoff game in epic fashion and gave away a second round draft pick for Armanti Edwards.
Posted by: Marty Hurney | Jun 10, 2013 3:55:23 PM
^^^ typical charlotte fan.
hurney gave delhomme the extension to free up cap room to keep a 11-5 team together for one more year. it cost the team a little bit of money for the ability to spread the money out until the uncapped year of the lockout. it was actually brilliant management. keep an aging team together for a few last cracks at it before blowing it up and rebuilding during a lockout.
they were going to have to pay delhomme in 2009 regardless and that move allowed them to spread it out so they could keep peppers 1 more year on the franchise tag.
and edwards has supposedly been lining up as the #3 receiver in camp thus far so........? GM's don't make substitutions. he also drafted greg hardy in the 6th round. and back to back ROY award winners.
the ignorance in this city is embarrassing.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 4:06:24 PM
Charlottean - you are correct. Hurney did make some great moves. People only remember the bad moves... He drafted a lot of good players. He did miss on a few - like Everett Brown and Jimmy Clausen but I like most of his picks. I didn't like signing Toulbert when we already had two RBs getting big bucks but I guess he wanted insurance.
I will say this - most people liked his draft day mistakes when he made them. We were all excited about Dewayne Jarrett. Everett Brown was supposed to be the best DE in the draft that year... Clausen was supposed to be a top ten pick! Everybody was thrilled we traded up to get Otah.
As far as Edwards - I wanted him to play DB and I really think he could have been a star at CB. We also needed him there more than WR...
Posted by: Dom | Jun 10, 2013 4:23:58 PM
This trade makes sense if we trade away Gordon's 12 mil along with Tyrus 9 million. Bosh has 3 yrs left on his deal just like Tyrus. This may be a situation where it's better to pay the 20 mil opposed to 9 million for a non productive player. The downside is that we would be stuck with him for the next 2 years.
Posted by: nucat | Jun 10, 2013 4:42:54 PM
trading up for otah was brilliant. he was great when he played. and then he went all sean may on us and had knee and weight problems.
clausen was horrible but to pick him late in the 2nd round was absolutely worth the gamble. we needed a QB in a draft where there were none. bradford went 1 and he's ok and he's the only one left from that draft. tebow, skelton and mccoy are the only other ones of note.
brown and jarrett were huge misses but those are the ones that stand out. he consistently got late round talent to offset that and always nailed 1st rounders.
tolbert is supposed to be our fullback/goalline back although i tend to agree it was extra. wasn't he signed before stewart was extended though? if so, that's an insurance/leverage move.
i think edwards is right where he needs to be. just needs to play. he's been a playmaker when given chances. should be our 3rd string QB also to free up a roster spot. permanently.
i bet he doesn't get caught from behind again.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 4:45:25 PM
Tanking to pick Anthony Davis worked out well.
Tanking to pick Nerlens Noel is working out well.
Tanking again to pick Wiggins? I'm sure that will work out well.
At this rate, the team could have as many as 35 wins by the time Kemba and MKG retire.
Posted by: Bro Jackson | Jun 10, 2013 4:53:15 PM
All joking aside it is highly likely that in the Kemba Era the BOBcats don't get their 50th win until well into his 4th year...
...can you imagine playing on a team that bad? It redefines the definition of B-A-D!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 4:59:06 PM
what? they win 22 this year that makes 50 right? they'll get that many at least.
prob no more than 30 but i mean 22 is an extremely low number for a team with kemba, mkg, taylor, biz, possibly henderson, etc. Glass is definitely half empty for you guys but I mean we have about 20 million in cap room assuming we amnesty thomas (and I do believe they will) and resign henderson using that money.
hard to imagine that they continue to be horrible when they have that kind of cap room + draft picks + sessions/haywood/gordon to trade + young talent + 90% of the nba dumping salary to comply with the new CBA. it's just too perfect a storm.
20 million cap room this year plus another 13 million coming free next year. makes you nervous about a bunch of tyrus thomas moves but i honestly don't expect that. I think something like a bosh type deal is far more likely and as bad as that may be......it could be A LOT worse. the bosh deal wouldn't be worth the money per say, but it would use that money responsibly while our young guys grow up and he'd be off the books before they needed extensions. same would apply with similar available guys....amare, randolph, boozer, lee, etc.
I just prefer they be more patient and go with a robinson or williams and the draft pick.
and noel is definitely still in play for the bobcats. not only are the picks available, but it's conceivable he or mclemore falls to 4. not likely but cleveland and orlando are doing their best to think themselves out of picking them.
but seriously....cup is wayyyy to full to be half empty. the rough part was the past 2 years. it gets better from here. and i'd be surprised if dunlap was solely michaels call. what like he sat through all of those interviews? bull. dude came in for the final round after they already decided or at least narrowed it down.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 10, 2013 5:20:51 PM
Sorry Rick, but this is the kind of column I don't like - one where you respond to the musings of another journalist. It isn't real news, it's speculating on the speculation of a journalist. Is this what sports writing has become today?
Posted by: Kyboyinnc | Jun 10, 2013 5:50:14 PM
That NASTAR guy/girl is a moron. How long before he comes up with a fake facebook page so he can bash his former employer some more.
Posted by: John | Jun 10, 2013 6:06:19 PM
I like CB, but agree 100%
Posted by: LB3 | Jun 10, 2013 6:17:51 PM
The Bobcats need to stay the course. I still favor trading down with Minnesota for 9 and 26 (Len/Zeller and L. Brown or a shooter), next year with 1-5, 9-12 and 13-14, they could get another shooter or two and an impact player. That is the BEST way to build a team. If they can not trade down, take the best available. I still think Bennett is NOT the man. HE may be more of a 3 than a 4. A. Len may not be a star but he is 7-1 and will develop into a decent center. He has more upside at the same time in his career most centers. If you ever watch a NBA game, you know "SHOOTERS" are needed and they will make or break you. Most teams line up their shooters and attack. The players in the NBA are overpaid with huge four and five year deals. EX. TT, Diop....
Posted by: Glenn | Jun 10, 2013 7:19:01 PM
Bosh would help the team as long as we don't have to part with Kemba, MKG, or Biz.
The 4th pick is just as likely to bust as be a starter. Oladipo and Porter less so but a lot of these other guys are a roll of the dice. At least you know your getting an All Star with Bosh, but this deal alone best case puts us on par with the Atlanta Hawks. But it beats 20 wins and relying on draft picks who never seem to pan out.
Posted by: David | Jun 10, 2013 8:03:33 PM
I don't like the trade. Draft Len and resign Gerald. That would give the Cats a good starting five down the road. Go after Hickson or Earl Clark in freeagency this year. Next year's draft could add more young talent and make this team a contender in a few years.
Posted by: will | Jun 10, 2013 8:56:23 PM
9 p.m., I got here late... but I still want to say I totally agree with Rick's analysis.
Both in terms of team needs and contract-wise - let Miami find another new home for Bosh (without taking away anything from what he achieved in his career).
Maybe they'll still surprise us and trade for Thomas Robinson, or, they'll pick Cody Zeller or Anthony Bennett. There are good options for us - not Bosh.
Posted by: Sandy | Jun 10, 2013 9:08:13 PM
Amazing how a writer from the Boston Globes speculates and it becomes actual news.
Agree on NASTAR. I think he was one of the primary reasons they shut down the comments. Congratulations idiot.
Posted by: Season ticket holder | Jun 10, 2013 9:15:40 PM
I like J.J.Hickson too. They thought of him last off-season, then they foolishly waited for Jamison (who's 12 years older...) to tell them he's going to L.A. (and also, considering Humphries was another waste of time), and they missed out on a great opportunity.
After his last season, Hickson won't be available at such bargain price anymore, and more important, he'll probably have more options to choose from than he had a year ago.
Posted by: Sandy | Jun 10, 2013 9:20:25 PM
STH, I really don't think they cared so much about critical comments on the Bobcats management (no matter how rough they were).
You know, we care about the NBA and our local team, and we keep talking about it.
But for C.O. (or any newspaper not specialized in sports) the main concern is politics (national and state), not the game of basketball. So, look in that area for the reason for the new comments stifling policy (as many readers have already said, in comments posted under Rick Thames' announcement).
I'm happy that the blogs still operate by the good old rules.
Posted by: Sandy | Jun 10, 2013 9:33:18 PM
The problem with a lot of you is a complete inability to think critically, combined with unfettered unwillingness to recognize and accept The Truth ;)
Now Sandy, she's a smart one. We don't agree on everything, or possibly even much, but she's an excellent critical thinker and her posts are chock full of facts. About 95% of you whiners could stand to take a 6-month time out and study her style...learn from it.
As for the BOOBcats...the problem with this "trading down" thesis is everyone is trying to trade down, it's absolutely a rush for the exits -- word is even Cleveland is trying to move the #1 pick.
Minimum, Yes Co & Cho's "Plan" hinges on stinking up the joint year after year after year and stocking up on monster draft picks...
...problem is, no monsters in these drafts. Dang.
Gonna be another looong and miserable season.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 10, 2013 10:02:50 PM
The Bobcats need to keep all options open including trading for Bosh. About the worst thing they could do is think they're going to build a winner thru the draft and third tier free agents.
Posted by: Aggiedecks | Jun 10, 2013 10:43:01 PM
Say what you like NASTAR, but Sandy is not a "she". Of course, there's nothing wrong with a "she" talking about basketball, as Stephanie Ready brilliantly proves (and SHE's not the only one!).
Posted by: Sandy | Jun 11, 2013 1:42:58 AM
In sports history: Sandy Koufax (baseball), Sandy Mayer (tennis), Sandy Sanders (basketball coach).
Posted by: Sandy | Jun 11, 2013 1:50:51 AM
Boobcats.....now that is funny. If you are 4 years old.have to be a real critical thinker to comes with that.
Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 11, 2013 6:06:13 AM
Sorry abt that Sandy, for some reason I thought....
Jimmy that was a typo, but kinda appropriate huh?!? Hahahaha...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 11, 2013 9:07:57 AM
Wow, this thread has longer legs than Giselle.
Here's how I see this season going, which is all that really matters.
1. 50/50 they keep the pick or trade it. I'm leaning towards keep b/c I think there is a solid NBA starter for us that fits well in the TOP 10 and someone who we can be proud of. If we trade down then we get a bargaining chip later in the 1st or early in the 2nd.
2. We sign Hendo. Amnesty Thomas. Release Diop and Williams. Confused about Mully from all angles. He shows up as a restricted FA on ESPN, but nobody has talked about him this off-season. I'd sign him, too.
3. We will sign an actual name (not superstar) before August 1st and have some positive momentum going into Camp.
4. The 'Cats will win 32-35 games this year and makes out like bandits in next year's draft and signs a rising star to a long term contract. With the buzz coming back along with a steady upward trajectory and improved fan base, this will happen.
5. Clifford gets Top 5 Coach of the Year consideration and Ramon Sessions gets Top 3 6th Man Award consideration. We will be in the middle of the pack for rebounding and defensive stats this upcoming season.
Yes, many of these projections are lofty and rose-colored, but they are attainable. There's really no reason for further negativity. There's been enough of that for long enough. They need to make a couple of big impact moves this year to springboard next year. I feel that will happen.
Posted by: Murdock | Jun 11, 2013 9:08:41 AM
i think hickson is going to stay in portland barring portland making a big move.
earl clark would be a very nice move. I was favorable of that one before. Hard to imagine the lakers being able to afford to keep him AND howard but if howard leaves as is becoming expected.....clark will probably get overpaid to stay. I like they idea of he, biz and MKG playing together. not a lot of bulk, but oozes athleticism, shot blocking ability, run the floor on everyone.
and everyone is trying to trade back except minnesota. that deal is sitting there for us to do but minny is going to try to wait until the draft to do it to make sure oladipo or mclemore is there at 4. we should tell them now or never, do the deal or not and if they don't take it.....draft oladipo and hold him over their head and get more out of them.
trade up and get noel/mclemore. Noel is the guy in this draft and he's available. teams are talking themselves out of him thanks to greg oden and andrew bynum being on everybody's minds of recent history. yet for some reason, len isn't looked at that way.
we trade up and get noel, buy a 2nd rounder to get curry, do what we have to do to get thomas robinson and you have plugged every hole in our core that existed.
i can almost guarantee you at this point that either the lakers or knicks take curry with their 2nd rounder. i think everyone else is dumb enough to pass on him but one of those 2 teams will do so.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 11, 2013 9:12:39 AM
The only way I could even consider this trade a possibility is if the Bobcats send both Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas plus a future Pick (maybe 2 years from now, not this years #4) in exchange for Bosh.
That way we can draft Victor Oladipo, McLemore or Bennet (whoever is avaliable) and still have a much better shot at getting Al Jefferson via Free Agency.
That way we could have a Top 5 Team (for at least 3-5 years) in the East, with a Coach that has a solid pedigree leading (assisting) winning teams with big names.
PG: Walker, Sessions, Pargo?
SG: Henderson, Oladipo or MacLemore
SF: Kidd-Gilchrist, Korver?, Taylor
PF: Bosh, McRoberts and/or Mullens
C: Jefferson, Biyombo, Haywood
Now that is a solid team in the East. I honestly think they can be better than New York and New Jersey, almost as good as Indiana and Chicago. But the difference will be getting Jefferson, Bosh would greatly benefit from having that 2nd option down-low to prevent teams from constantly sending double teams on him. I think Korver will be willing to sign for the MLE with such a team. Bosh and Jefferson still can give any team at least 3-4 more years at a solid maybe All-Star level, since all the dominant offensive big guys are now in the West (except for Hibbert and Lopez).
Posted by: RobC | Jun 11, 2013 9:44:02 AM
miami is NOT taking back salary. they are trying to DUMP bosh. they might take back some expirings with a bunch of picks but they definitely aren't taking back dead weight and 1 pick. they would be better off with bosh.
they want to drop their payroll figure. as it stands now they have 85 million committed to next season WITHOUT chris anderson who they need even more so than bosh and has surely played himself into a 5 million a year offer from someone else. they might only be able to do the 3 million mini mle for bird but if they dump bosh before free agency, they might have the full mle.
tax line for this year was 70.3 million. using that as an example.......keeping bosh and resigning bird would leave them easily 15 million over and having to pay over 28 million in taxes meaning that just by dumping bosh they could save the franchise something around 50 million. Taking back worthless salary doesn't make any sense. Taking back a player like an MKG or biyombo on rookie scale, does however.
for us, it's a question of patience. sure we could make a move for bosh, amnesty thomas, trade sessions and gordon and haywood for another salary dump, draft someone solid at 4, sign a key free agent and conceivably be a mid level playoff team for the duration of bosh and unnamed players primes. or we can stay the course and build through the draft and potentially have a higher ceiling than that but not really see a lower ceiling than that.
if bosh was OK with the move, i'd be on the fence. but you know he's NOT at ALL interested, so that makes this a no brainer DO NOT TOUCH type of move.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 11, 2013 11:46:31 AM
The path is clear. Youth will be served in this year's draft as well as, and more importantly, next years draft. The Bobcats must not do anything that takes them out of the running for having a high pick next year and a good young team on the floor for the next decade.
Posted by: ShoNuff | Jun 11, 2013 2:49:00 PM
Couple of quick points in relation to this article:
1) The draft is just plain mediocre, so losing the 4th pick isn't really that big a deal. If Miami are willing to deal Bosh for a mediocre draft pick then the jokes on them.
2) Trading for Bosh would allow him to return to his all star 20 & 10 days and drive up his trade value...
3) Charlotte's culture is toxic and Bosh has won a championship. Bringing in a winner who can provide leadership both off and on the court is invaluable.
All in all I can't believe that so many so called Charlotte fans are against this chance to significantly upgrade the Bobcats/Hornetts roster. It's a no brainer for Charlotte. If the price for Bosh is a draft pick plus bit pieces and/or cash I say do it.
Posted by: Howie Doohan | Jun 12, 2013 12:02:03 AM
The only plus of getting Bosh is #1 Kemba will be happy to have another scorer to take pressure off and #2 chance to lure in another big time player.
I would love for us to trade the #4 for thomas robinson and a 2nd rd pick
Posted by: PBlock | Jun 12, 2013 12:50:24 PM
you're discounting how expensive his contract is. he was a 20-10 guy on mediocre at best teams. I think we have the potential to have better pieces around him than he had in toronto, but eating up 20+ million of small market payroll every year is a dangerous commitment.
you're also assuming that bosh would want to be here. if he absolutely doesn't want to be here, we might have an even uglier situation on our hands. those are the factors that make a lot of people say "no way" in addition to his poor play in the playoffs where he's basically left unguarded all of the time.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 13, 2013 9:44:25 AM
"Bosh matched his playoff high with 20 points and grabbed 13 rebounds, he and Wade supplying the baskets that finally put the Spurs away for good midway through the fourth quarter."
Maybe you should reconsider your position, Rick?
Posted by: herewegoagain | Jun 14, 2013 5:25:41 AM
I hope the Horny-cats sign Chris Bosh! He is the sexiest player in the NBA! He can fit nice with my dreamboat Cam Newton!!!
Posted by: MP ASU 2003 | Jun 14, 2013 7:45:03 AM
We need someone who can dominate inside... and that IS NOT Chris Bosh.
Posted by: Rob | Jun 16, 2013 7:25:52 AM
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