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June 21, 2013

Video: LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Tim Duncan on Game 7 of 2013 NBA Finals

LeBron James scored 37 points and racked up his second straight NBA Finals MVP as Miami beat San Antonio for their second consecutive NBA championship. LeBron, Dwyane Wade and Tim Duncan spoke after Thursday night's game.

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only further defining my and many others' hate for shane battier.

seriously depressing given how san antonio gave away the last 2 games with easy misses and turnovers down the stretch while miami seemingly got prayers answered.

as much as it seems like miami was no doubt the more talented team.....they in NO WAY played like it throughout the playoffs. as stacked as they are (were this year), they were taken to the absolute wire by chicago, indiana, and beyond the wire by san antonio.

pretty cool for chris anderson, not cool but in 15 years it will be for ray allen, pretty cool for chalmers and cole, not so much for ANYONE ELSE.

as dominant as james is, he got gifted this one. michael never had one handed to him like this. kobe did (against the celtics). but i've never seen a title lost more than won in all the years.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 21, 2013 12:19:12 PM

I do like the fact that Battier went to Denny's up instead of making a spectacle of himself .ike the rest of the team.

Was not a D Wade fan before, but after his statement to be called "3" I like him even less. I wonder if LBJ will figure out that was a backhanded slap at him pointing out Wade has more titles.

Posted by: Bobnet | Jun 22, 2013 8:32:00 AM

yeah wade has gone absolutely off the deep end since lebron came to town. it's almost like he has to out egomanicize (not a word) lebron at every waking moment to the point where we feel lebron is humble (not a fact).

i actually dislike battier going to denny's instead of with the team. he actually made MORE of a spectacle of himself and didn't enjoy the moment AS A TEAM. i bet he got a check from denny's for it, and as much as i'm not a club person at all.......that's a once in a lifetime opportunity and you could have hit denny's the next morning. and denny's is garbage anyways.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 22, 2013 12:12:25 PM

What a beautiful thing: Congrats to the Miami Heat!

You really develop a great appreciation for a team that is pieced together with the right mix of role players and like characteristics. Perhaps Charlotte Hornet fans will be able to experience this feeling of climbing to the top of the mountain.

Or maybe not. One thing's for sure, and that is this team has to draft better than it has over it's previous 10 year history. Drafting big is the key in the next few drafts.

Posted by: Bob goes Horny | Jun 23, 2013 1:34:19 PM

drafting hasn't been the problem. developing the draft picks has been.

we've ruined plenty of great prospects. san antonio has done a lot more with a lot less talent (starting point).

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2013 4:27:28 PM

Charlottean, just keep writing and we'll all be convinced on your inability to understand the game of basketball.

Adam Morrison? Yeah, he wasn't developed.
Alexis Ajinca? Yeah, he wasn't coached properly
Sean May? Oh, he would have been a bona fide star, if only...
D.J. Armstrong? The Indiana Pacers sure knew he was the real deal
Emeka Okafor? If only the coaches could have taught him more...like in New Orleans, or Washington
Oh, Gerald Henderson has been tremendous in his development..so much so that he'll be leaving the Queen City and coming off the bench for another team.

Can you please stop these shenanigans? The Bobcats have been AWFUL in the college talent evaluation process...although you can relate, right?
2004 Draft..The Bobcats have been the home to Okafor (2nd pick), Ben Gordon (3rd pick), and Shaun Livingston (4th pick). The Cats scouts missed out on Devin Harris (5th), Luol Deng (7th), Andre Iguodala (9th), Al Jefferson (15th), Josh Smith (17th), Jameer Nelson (20th), and Kevin Martin (26th). That was just 2004.
The 2006 NBA Draft saw the Bobcats take Adam Morrison at 3 AND give up another future 1st round pick (in 2014 or 2015), in order to acquire the 4th pick of the draft, one Tyrus Thomas. Of course, the Bobcats decided not to take Rudy Gay in this draft (selected 8th), Thabo Sefelosha (13), Rajon Rondo (21), or Kyle Lowery (24). Yes, ALL of these players succeeded because of superior coaching, right? Or is it that not enough money was spent to evaluate the college talent? The college game is certainly NOT the same as the NBA Pro game, Charlottean.

Anyone who believes Kemba Walker is an All-Star Point Guard simply does NOT understand the game. Sure, the Bobcats have ruined great prospects...ones that could have gone onto tremendous things in the NBA. Yeah, and I promise to sell you land in Florida with no opportunity for a sinkhole, too.

Charlottean, now we KNOW that your evaluation for college basketball talent is in question. Nerlens Noel = Stomile Swift. The Bobcats have three choices in this year's NBA Draft: Len, Oladipo, or McLemore. This Charlotte brain trust shouldn't possibly screw this pick up. If you are watching the Draft at a particular location, say the word and I'll be there.

Posted by: Bob goes horny | Jun 23, 2013 9:58:24 PM

dude you're playing hindsight games here. you're basing their decisions years ago on TODAY's results. that's leaving out every single variable that played out

how many games did morrison play in a bobcats uniform? i'm assuming his ACL tear should have affected his draft status more huh? if we take roy, portland takes morrison. wasn't a reach, dude was going top 5 regardless. he got hurt. he wasn't a bad pick.

how about ajinca? dude was a D-league all-star at age 18 having triple doubles and what not.


considering the solid season henderson just had.....it's very hard to understand anyone saying he was a bad pick at 12 that year. I was hoping we would take dejuan blair that night, but I'm completely happy with the henderson pick NOW.

he's doing what he's doing having been wasting away at the end of the bench for his first 2 seasons.


may was injury related. felton we ruined by playing him too much at the 2. he could have been chris paul status had he been developed properly.

augustin was great as a rookie. before he was coached out of all of the great habits that made him an all american as a sophomore and a mcdonald's all american and everything else that tells you he was a top 10 pick long before we made him one. he had a horrible shooting season although he had 2 big games in the playoffs playing for a championship contender. they already had george hill making 40 million prior to signing him. and we made the great gesture of giving him the QO last summer only to rescind it AFTER everyone spent their money, leaving few teams with cap room OR exceptions to do anything beyond the minimum. nobody thought we were actually going to just let the guy walk.


you're blaming the players for the organizations failures. nobody was screaming on draft night "WHAT THE EFF ARE THEY DOING IN CHARLOTTE?" ever. they were however screaming that after every idiotic trade and signing and failure to develop our young guys over and over and over.


not sure where you get the kemba comments, i don't know anyone that ever made that comment. and keep talking up len like he's a star. dude is ilguaskus. great. awesome. noel and swift are great comparisons. swift was a #2 overall pick for a reason. he didn't pan out for reasons between his ears, his game was #2 pick worthy.

you're mad at them taking okafor in 2004 over DEVIN HARRIS?! are you effing kidding me?! augustin is better than harris just never put on the same team as dirk nowitski.

okafor was rookie of the year remember? over all of those guys. okafor was GREAT early on. back trouble caught up to him after he left town and he's been on horrible teams every since. but you're insinuating that we should have taken jefferson or smith over him? or jameer nelson?! are you effing kidding me?!

orlando was debating SERIOUSLY about taking him number 1 that year. every single team in the league had that draft pegged as a 2 man dead lock at the top and then a bunch of other guys. no effing way ben gordon should have been picked over okafor. SIZE MATTERS.

i'm a bit worried by all the reports that mclemore has been getting outplayed by 2nd round picks in work outs. i like oladipo but he's just henderson. henderson + a big = better for the franchise than just oladipo. we can't keep letting our most talented players leave and expect to get better. you want to keep those guys and bring in MORE talented guys to make a guy like henderson the 3rd or 4th option. not replace him altogether. he's the perfect guy to have on the team, he's just not an elite go-to guy. why any fan would hate on henderson of all people after the season he just had....absolutely blows my mind. that's where opinions go from opinions to just being wrong.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 23, 2013 11:10:30 PM

charlottean, I agree with you that in most years drafting wasn't the problem (well, except for picking Adam Morrison 3rd overall - there, we don't totally agree). But the problem wasn't necessarily developing drafted players, as it was keeping them (or getting real value, if and when trading them). [As for Ammo: I can agree he wasn't given a chance to develop under LB, but still he wasn't worth 3rd pick overall; Brandon Roy (no bad knees yet at draft time), Rudy Gay and also Rajon Rondo were picked behind him].


Emeka Okafor and Raymond Felton have been good draft picks (2nd and 5th). They were good pro players at the time they left Charlotte.
As for D.J. Augustin, I never thought he was a good use of the 9th pick overall in '08; there were better options.
Still, D.J. showed real improvement under Paul Silas (as compared to playing under Larry Brown).

We let Felton and Augustin go for nothing, and we have very little to show now for drafting Mr. Double-Double. First, he was traded for Tyson Chandler, then, after finally Tyson began playing well (in 2010, after recovering from injury) we dealt him away too, in a horrible trade.

Or, the 8th pick overall in 2007. Good job trading it for Jason Richardson: in '07-'08, he became the best shooter/scorer in our franchise history. Then, LB didn't like him (defense was the issue), and he was traded. I'll skip the details: the best part of that trade was getting Diaw, who was among the five players who most helped this team achieve its only playoffs appearance.

In 2012, we let him go, also for nothing. The Spurs were able to find ways to use him in their championship run. Definitely, it was time for Diaw and the Cats to part ways. It should've been done earlier, for some value - not for nothing (I was among those who were asking to trade him, as long as he still had trade value, in 2011).

Besides, Gerald Wallace was a great find in the expansion draft: from 25th pick overall (by Sacramento) and unprotected by them for the expansion draft, to the only franchise player the Bobcats had, and an All-Star.
After three (not two, three: '10-'11, '11-'12 and '12-'13) poor seasons we still don't have a good player on the roster to show for losing Gerald - just lots of wishful thinking. We could've kept Gerald and Jax through 2012; that would've prevented a lot of grief to the fans and that history-making 7-59 season ('11-'12), and a year ago, we would've had options: re-sign both of them, or just one of them (Gerald) on much lower contracts - or,
not re-sign them, and have room under the salary cap for one or two quality, starter level, free agent.

The management acknowledged this much: you can't realistically hope for a big name star to come here as a FA, but quality starters can be signed up from free agency.

These are examples of how a team used its draft picks (including the expansion draft) to get good players, and yet lost them, and it has nothing to show for them now.
Why? Because of mismanagement, resulting in three bad-to-disastrous seasons, with a 62-168 total record (which is 106 games below .500!).

We started with Bernie Bickerstaff's plan to build up a successful franchise, with young players we drafted.
IF we had better management (after MJ got rid of Bernie, simply by marginalizing him), we didn't need to lose good players for nothing or close to nothing, and then get into desperation mode (so prematurely, in 2010).

Charlottean, I remember very well how you started talking about "rebuilding" before it became the Plan. You started favoring this idea ONLY after months of failing in '10-'11, after the team was hopelessly sputtering, after Larry Brown became disgusted with the weakening of the roster and lost any interest in coaching this team - because they lost Raymond for nothing and traded Tyson for no real value.
The team didn't need to get to that point.

The money wasn't there, without going into luxury tax? Right, because they were not ready to spend on those who actually brought the team into the playoffs (because of that sweep...), but they decided to splurge on an unproven player. In the off-season 2010, they gave Tyrus that big contract ($40 mil over 5 years), just based on hopes, not on him having proved he deserved any such thing.

Again, mismanagement led to failure, then to premature desperation steps, and now all that is left is the rebuilding project, which is still uncertainty laden.
Chos's latest statements indirectly, yet quite clearly, show that he hangs his hopes on another losing season and a high lottery pick in the 2014 draft. He can't say this openly, but that's the clear implication of his latest utterances.

What misery, all due to years of mismanagement!

Posted by: Sandy | Jun 23, 2013 11:51:14 PM

i saw the writing on the wall.

the moment the dampier trade happened, it was no brainer. there was hope when you looked at the felton/wallace/jackson/diaw/chandler starting 5 with augustin and thomas coming off the bench. that lineup had potential. It could have even sustained losing felton and bringing in livingston to back up augustin. there was no way you could have kept that group together in its entirety given they were AT BEST a 4 seed in 2010-11 and even that was unlikely. they DID win 34 games without felton or chandler, through a coaching change AND with the trade of wallace (and also with the BS jackson was pulling that year). You could easily see that being a 50 win team just by keeping chandler and wallace. but there was never championship potential.

but the dampier trade was THE END. there was no recovering from that damaging of a deal. that set the franchise back all these years.

no draft pick damaged the franchise like that trade did. not even close. even in morrison's case.

and brandon roy DID have knee problems before the draft. rondo is a hindsight pick. he went late for a reason. doc was the perfect coach for him, and playing with allen/pierce/garnett is eerily similar to how norris cole and chalmers have benefited in miami.

the pick was between morrison/gay/roy. none of that is bowie vs. jordan. morrison was playing GREAT in pre season going into his 2nd season when he got hurt. we never gave him a chance to recover. could you imagine if minnesota never gave ricky rubio the chance to come back from his acl injury? he went to a lakers team who didn't have time or desire to develop him. they won 2 rings while he sat. it's not like he sat on bad teams like a joe alexander type bust. he sat on 2 championship teams.


we drafted blue chip talents who at some point or another showed they could play at an elite level in this league. you don't score 30 points in an nba game on accident and almost all of those guys have done that.

and ajinca.....they threw him in that same dampier trade where it was completely unnecessary. absolutely insane how bad that deal was. let's give up on a young guy......so that we can pay najera twice as much. awesome. he had a good season for SIG this past season and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes an nba roster this summer. but they RUINED that guys career too. none of this stuff helps us with free agents either. guys go to the suns to get healthy, they go to the spurs to get developed and coached, they come here to get effed.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 24, 2013 9:26:23 AM

Charlottean,
First of all, Ajinca was drafted as a major "project." This team keeps taking on "project" players, which is to say the drafting process by the Front Office at Bobcat Central has been screwed up since day one. Established teams with a winning environment can afford to gamble on "projects;" Charlotte has never been afforded this luxury, although their draft habits reflect otherwise.
Raymond Felton had flaws at UNC and he was nowhere near the caliber of Deron Williams or Chris Paul. If you remember this draft, as I do when I attended the Draft Party at Jillian's, the BOOBcats had the opportunity to parlay both picks to move up and draft Chris Paul...OOPS! Larry Brown is an awesome coach and even HE couldn't fix Felton's deficiencies. This is precisely why LB encouraged Charlotte's front office to let Felton walk. It was a terrible move, as I wanted them to take Paul at the time. Friends I was with that evening of the Draft Party were thrilled with the picks because they were Tar Heel fans. I knew to stay away from "Fat Boy" May, regardless of his injury issues in the Pros. Would Charlotte do that 2 for 1 trade in a heartbeat today?

Henderson is a decent backup player. He is a star on the worst team in the NBA. Charlottean, your "homer" mentality cripples you, as you don't evaluate the player on what he would do on a better team. Growing up a Pistons fan, I saw the down years, the mediocre years, and the building of a Championship team. The Pistons made many missteps in their years, as the names Roy Hamilton ('79), Freddie Banks ('87), Fennis Dembo ('88), Kenny Battle ('89), Lance Blanks ('90), Don McLean ('92...not the American Pie guy), Manteen Cleaves (2000), Rodney White ('01, UNCC), oh and who can forget Darko? So please, I've seen a team make many, many drafting mistakes.
The Charlotte Bobcats should have a contending playoff team by now.
2004- SG Andre Iguodala...projected as 3rd by many draft publications
2005- PG Chris Paul...trading both 1st round picks and moving up
2006- SF Rudy Gay...projected by most to be the Bobcats choice, over Adam Morrison
2007- PF Joakim Noah...tons of energy
2008- C Brook Lopez...definitely over DJ Augustin

If you really did your homework (as I've have been doing NBA Mock Drafts for over 30+ years now), this was like shooting fish in a barrel.

The pick here is Alex Len, unless he is selected by Cleveland at 1. I will take the talents of Z, a former All-Star who was only limited by injuries, any day of the week. The backup plan Oladipo. McLemore is drawing more questions than answers right now. Stay away from UNLV's Anthony Bennett (doesn't fit a need or a position) and Nerlens Noel (Stromile Swift redux).

Posted by: Bob goes horny | Jun 24, 2013 10:29:19 AM

again, you aren't factoring in all of the variables that took place with the players after they got here. a lot of those guys were every bit the player as the guy we supposedly missed out on, yet we put them in positions to fail. if we had drafted lopez, we would have effed him up too and let's be real about lopez. he's a max contract MEDIOCRE PLAYER. he's the 3rd best player on a team that can't make it out of the first round with an insanely stacked roster and bloated payroll. he is NO SHAQ, not even a dwight or bynum, or even noah for that matter. he scores a bunch of points but does not impact the game the way a max contract big man should. i would take augustin AGAIN over lopez.


and yes ajinca was a project. that's the whole point.....they gave up on him 2 years in and he was showing PLENTY of promise at age 20-21 to think that he could have been a stud by age 25 when he actually started adding weight (like all 25 year olds). there is VERY LITTLE precedent of a big man coming in as an underclassmen or out of high school and giving you immediate impact. especially at the 5 position. almost all great centers spent 3-4 years in school first.

bynum took a while. i think it plays into health also. a big man playing 35 games a year vs. 82 during those developmental years goes a long way to keeping that base in tact.

the "homer" comment is annoying. of course i'm a "homer" in that i'm pulling for my team, but i'm not blinded by that. i'm equally as critical as supporting, my comments have reflected that. you are absolutely insane if you think henderson is NOT a top 30 2 guard in the league. and that's the only comment i've made. he's absolutely NOT a top 10 2 guard. he is a slightly better version of his dad who played a solid role on championship teams. THATS WHAT YOU HAVE IN HENDERSON. you shouldn't over pay for it, but you should also try and keep him around. he's NO DOUBT on par with sefalosha. you don't take the best guy on the worst team and let him walk because he's not lebron. you bring more talent in to the point where he goes from being the best, to the 4th or 5th best player.


outside of len vs. noel (or zeller for that matter) we're pretty much on the same page with the draft. I think oladipo is a solid backup plan but I would rather they keep henderson either way and trade him later for better value. you don't just let guys walk away, its like forfeiting draft picks. only works if you can attract free agents at a discount. we can't even attract them when giving them max deals to average talents (brook lopez).

rudy gay isn't a franchise changing guy as evidenced by memphis dumping his salary. we would have been in the same boat having to overpay him. and we already had gerald wallace. morrison was the better fit, better compliment and ultimately better player for a team that needed a franchise guy. we didn't give him a chance. even kobe said that if he never tore his knee up the guy would of been everything we thought he was going to be out of zaga.

by only looking at the players you are ignoring the coaching carousel we've had, the entire lack of training and player development staff we had during the early years. the ridiculous duplicity of the roster leading to guys playing out of position during developmental years. there were years we didn't field a summer league team. we don't have our own d-league franchise, we don't even have a partnership with maine like we used to.

if you look at felton and paul's rookie year and look at the 2nd half when felton was actually playing point guard.......he was right there. then we turned around and hired sam vincent and the guy was down hill from there. felton easily could have been a 20 and 8 guy in this league. easily. look at lawson's success in denver. they are basically the same player with felton being a bit craftier and lawson a bit quicker. we didn't give felton the keys to the car the way utah and new orleans did. you're leaving that out of the equation. I would still take the 2 picks to 1 today, difference being invest more in felton's development and may's training (or a different pick at 13).


may very easily could have gone to the lakers and bynum to us if dr. buss's kid wasn't so hard up on bynum. may could absolutely fill it up and rebound the ball. prototype old school 4 in the same vein of david west. borderline the exact same guy as david west, with probably MORE offensive skill. no health. you have to take those risks. there have been plenty of guys red flagged that have gone on to play injury free and plenty of guys with no prior injuries that get hurt. you factor it into the decision but you can't pass on a talent because he might get hurt. i would have passed on oden for that reason but only because durant was available (and i was adamant about durant being #1 that year regardless of oden's health) but i would have no doubt take oden #2 without question if durant went #1.


your high horse touting your hindsight picks is cute and everything so if I want to join you, i'll bring up all the chandler parsons, nik vucuvics, kawhi leonard's, and grievas vazquez's that i've touted pre draft. and so you can remember this year clearly......seth curry's my guy this year. everyone will pass on him. he will sign somewhere as a free agent (i bet the lakers or knicks) and make everyone else look like an idiot.

and i'm standing by noel. he's either a star or an injury plagued guy, but he won't be ilgauskas who......was an all-star on a 17-65 team that landed them lebron. what a stud he was. definitely the kind of guy you take top 5.

there have been countless examples of guys who get their careers ruined by being drafted to the wrong team yet you guys act like it's entirely in the player. derrick williams gets drafted to a team that already has a young elite power forward. good luck. evan turner gets drafted to a team that already has a young, elite point guard AND a veteran star wing. beasley gets drafted to miami RIGHT BEFORE they clear the payroll for the big 3, then he gets sent to minny behind............kevin love.

that's not coincidental. it's not coincidence that tyreke evans and o.j. mayo and john wall haven't looked as good as early as some of their counterparts.

the franchise matters A LOT. and the franchise has been the problem here. NOT THE PICKS. we're changing that, which is why you're seeing more success out of kemba than you would have seen under previous circumstances. it's why MKG is going to prove his #2 worth.


sorry for the book, but this topic has depth. if we were effing up the draft every year......every draft night people would be looking at us the way they looked at donald sterling when he took guys like korolev or like memphis when they took thabeet. that never happens. we take guys that would be taken next if we didn't take them. i don't even think higgins actually scouted players while he was the GM, i think he was just spying on other teams big boards and then taking the guy that fell to him. they never reached. even ajinca.......they didn't leave hickson or hibbert on the board to take him.....they knew they would get 1 of the 3 and that's what they were left with.


picks weren't the problem.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 24, 2013 12:17:12 PM

Seriously though, all barbs and weapons aside, I like your enthusiasm. Of course we may not agree on the past or present direction of this Charlotte ball club...but as long as someone else here cares.
I posed the question earlier...where are you going to watch Thursday's Draft? Most people are not as into it as you and I, being only the passing fan. Just let me know.

By the way, Alexis Ajinca should NEVER have been taken by Charlotte in the first place...not with Larry Brown as the Head Coach. He was never going to develop the rookie, as LB does not have the patience for the y0ung guys in the Pros (I hate to see his patience level in College today). LB built this team up to be a perennial winner and the franchise couldn't afford to keep the pieces in place.
Once Brown put the team together, they should have rode it further, as it was mistakenly assumed the Bobcats would only be the 7th or 8th seed every year.

Posted by: Bob goes horny | Jun 24, 2013 2:21:10 PM

You're right Charlottean, I didn't remember this, but there were problems with Roy's knee before the draft; I should've checked it.
Still, 3rd overall was too high for Morrison. Bernie proposed first Rudy Gay, then Brandon Roy, but MJ wanted Morrison. Compared to him, Rudy Gay has the superior physical tools (wing span, athleticism, strength) that matter for defense and rebounding. So, even on the assumption that, as a result of patiently developing him, Ammo would’ve become no less good than R.G. offensively, still defense and rebounding tilt the balance Gay’s way.
I think Bernie was right. (And Gay became too expensive? Nothing wrong with trading, as long as you look for real value).

Btw Bob, Roy is one more example of the importance of paying attention to serious red flags.
An ankle fracture is a serious red flag, especially for a 255 pounds center. Otherwise, I think Len has very good potential, but I don't believe in ignoring the injury and using a high draft pick on him.

It was bad management to lose several good players (as showed above) for nothing, or close to nothing. That's how the team decayed.
The turning point was the 2010 off-season.
There was no need to dismantle the playoffs team. Only because MJ decided on those roster weakening steps in the summer of 2010 (without having any perspective on the next step, at that time), a total loss of confidence in that team followed, and then, to many, the project of rebuilding through the draft (which started in February '11 only) seemed like the only way out of a mess. The mess created unnecessarily by MJ, with Higgins' faithful assistance.

Taking steps to improve on that playoffs team patiently, taking years for that - that should've been the goal, back in 2010.

Nothing ever stays the same. Teams have ups and downs.
- Every year there is a Draft, and sometimes you have the opportunity to trade up.
- Even without trading up at draft time, you can trade for players who were picked high in the draft. For instance, the Bobcats traded for Tyrus Thomas, 4th pick overall in 2006, at a time when his upside still looked promising (just giving him that big contract was unjustified).
- You can trade players (even those you drafted), but it should be for real value. -- When aging players become less productive, you can create room under the salary cap (by re-signing them for low contracts, or by not resigning them), and then sign quality FAs (even though they aren't superstars).

So, there are various ways of improving a team, and all should be used. There are opportunities to use. In the process, you may have some weaker years (it happened to great franchises); this can be accepted - not this "debacle on purpose" course.

Three losing seasons and counting, being 106 games below .500 these seasons, a sincere dedication (on Cho's side) to the cause of making the next season another losing one, with one of those bad records that increase the lottery chances. And of course, nobody can be sure that in the 2014 draft we'll get that great game changer.

Most fans want to see a team that competes to win, night in and night out, and a management who gives it the tools to achieve this. Young players develop best precisely this way - by pushing themselves, when they believe in their chances to win.

Posted by: Sandy | Jun 24, 2013 4:08:23 PM

You're right Charlottean, I didn't remember this, but there were problems with Roy's knee before the draft; I should've checked it.
Still, 3rd overall was too high for Morrison. Bernie proposed first Rudy Gay, then Brandon Roy, but MJ wanted Morrison. Compared to him, Rudy Gay has the superior physical tools (wing span, athleticism, strength) that matter for defense and rebounding. So, even on the assumption that, as a result of patiently developing him Ammo would’ve become no less good than R.G. offensively, still defense and rebounding tilt the balance Gay’s way. I think Bernie was right. (And Gay became too expensive? Nothing wrong with trading, as long as you look for real value).

Btw Bob, Roy is one more example of the importance of paying attention to serious red flags.
An ankle fracture is a serious red flag, especially for a 255 pounds center. Otherwise, I think Len has very good potential, but I don't believe in ignoring the injury and using a high draft pick on him.

It was bad management to lose several good players (as showed above) for nothing, or close to nothing. That's how the team decayed.

The turning point was the 2010 off-season.
There was no need to dismantle the playoffs team. Only because MJ decided on those roster weakening steps in the summer of 2010 (without having any perspective on the next step, at that time), a total loss of confidence in that team followed, and then, to many, the project of rebuilding through the draft (which started in February '11 only) seemed like the only way out of a mess. The mess created unnecessarily by MJ, with Higgins' faithful assistance.

Taking steps to improve on that playoffs team patiently, taking years for that - that should've been the goal, back in 2010.

Nothing ever stays the same. Teams have ups and downs.
- Every year there is a Draft, and sometimes you have the opportunity to trade up.
- Even without trading up at draft time, you can trade for players who were picked high in the draft. For instance, the Bobcats traded for Tyrus Thomas, 4th pick overall in 2006, at a time when his upside still looked promising (just giving him that big contract was unjustified).
- You can trade players (even those you drafted), but it should be for real value.
- When aging players become less productive, you can create room under the salary cap (by re-signing them for low contracts, or by not resigning them), and then sign quality FAs (even though they aren't superstars).

So, there are various ways of improving a team, and all should be used. There are opportunities to use. In the process, you may have some weaker years (it happened to great franchises); this can be accepted - not this "debacle on purpose" course.

Three losing seasons and counting, being 106 games below .500 these seasons, a sincere dedication (on Cho's side) to the cause of making the next season another losing one, with one of those bad records that increase the lottery chances. And of course, nobody can be sure that in the 2014 draft we'll get that great game changer.

Most fans want to see a team that competes to win, night in and night out, and a management who gives it the tools to achieve this. Young players develop best precisely this way - by pushing themselves, when they believe in their chances to win.

Posted by: Sandy | Jun 24, 2013 4:12:10 PM

Sorry for the double posting.

First, it didn't go through.
Then, I re-posted it - just to see it shows up twice.

Posted by: Sandy | Jun 24, 2013 4:15:42 PM

agree about ajinca not being a good fit for larry brown's win-now and lose forever after I leave mentality BUT.....higgins was making those calls with input from brown but not brown making the calls. brown HATED rod higgins for that dampier trade. it wasn't brown that gave up ajinca (although he was probably insanely hard on him causing jordan/higgins to give up on him).


sandy,

yeah i think morrison would have been not a liability defensively, but a weaker defender. but his ability to score and pass would have trumped that. it's the kind of guy you put on a team with defensive minded players.......like gerald wallace, emeka okafor, etc. he would have been better that gay offensively when you look at the entire team offense. I would say overall, gay where he is vs. where morrison should have been are probably about equal overall. but going into the draft? gay had way more questions than morrison. and they had about equal rookie years. there is nothing to suggest morrison wouldn't have come out and given you 20 a game his second year. he had some big games in preseason before getting hurt.

oh yeah and brook lopez just had ANOTHER surgery on his foot. don't they always say it's better if it's the tendon than if it's the bone/joint that's the issue?

not sure regarding draft hang out. they could do a much better job with the arena party. prob just watch from home. i love the nba tv coverage before and after.

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 24, 2013 4:57:07 PM

One note: many advocated Brook Lopez in that '08 Draft, but, not me. I trusted Felton as starting PG (unfortunately, at that time, LB didn't), Emeka at C, and I wanted the best PF available with that pick, which was Jason Thompson; not sensational, but a very solid player at the position of highest need at that time.

Also, after working with him, LB started to really appreciate Raymond. When they let him go, for nothing, coach Brown was quoted as saying that he "almost died" (for losing this player). Yes, because his methods worked much better with Raymond than with DJ.

Posted by: Sandy | Jun 24, 2013 8:38:34 PM

did i mention brook lopez just had ANOTHER surgery on his foot?

Posted by: charlottean | Jun 25, 2013 9:52:34 AM

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