July 01, 2013
Charlotte Bobcats interested in free agent Utah Jazz center Al Jefferson
The Charlotte Bobcats have reached out to representatives for Utah Jazz center Al Jefferson to gauge his interest in signing here, an NBA source confirmed to the Observer.
However, Dallas Mavericks shooting guard O.J. Mayo, who has been linked to the Bobcats in some media reports, does not appear, at least yet, to be in their plans.
CBSSports.com first reported overnight that the Bobcats are pursuing Jefferson, who completed his ninth season in the NBA. At 28 Jefferson has career averages of 16.4 points and 9.0 rebounds.
Jefferson would address an obvious concern for the Bobcats, coming off a 28-120 record over the past two seasons: They have minimal low-post scoring, allowing teams to guard them without double-teaming. A versatile offensive game was one of the attributes that caused the Bobcats to draft Indiana 7-footer Cody Zeller fourth overall in Thursday’s draft.
The question is how much Jefferson would cost, in both salary and guaranteed years, and whether he’d still be a contributor once the Bobcats are improved enough to make a playoff run. Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins told the Observer last month that he’s wary of overpaying a free agent just to show progress.
Jefferson turned pro out of high school and has played nearly 20,000 NBA minutes, so while he’s under 30, he’s relatively high-mileage. He’s not known as a particularly strong defender, with opponents often attacking him in the pick-and-roll.
The Jazz is going through a transition with its big men. Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter are both on the roster looking for more playing time. Jazz management is also mulling whether to re-sign power forward Paul Millsap.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 1, 2013 at 01:21 AM | Permalink
I'd like it. Guy is still just 28 so a 4 year deal wouldn't be catastrophic. Should we overpay? No, but it would be a nice change offensively seeing him and Zeller as opposed to Biyombo and McRoberts.
Posted by: Jason Warren | Jul 1, 2013 1:39:58 AM
Scares me. I don't like the idea of committing to a guy that others teams exploit. His defense of the pick and roll is a big weakness. I'd rather stay the course and look for a big sign next offseason. We're one bad season away from making the jump. The development of our young talent should be first priority. Higgins comment about sacrificing our future to chart improvement is reassuring.
Posted by: LOrange | Jul 1, 2013 1:45:02 AM
Please, good god, no. We would probably have to give him the max to come here and he's just not worth it. This is one year too soon. Al doesn't play a lick of defense and is the type of guy to just "get his numbers". Combine his lack of defense with us having to overpay to get him and the fact that he doesn't fit into the team as we currently have it assembled? DO NOT WANT.
Posted by: Tim | Jul 1, 2013 1:50:08 AM
No. Please no. Let's resign Henderson for 5-6mil per year and save the rest of our cap space for next year or year after. We will be much more attractive once we have 2014 top pick Wiggins or Parker in the fold.
Stay the course. Don't make a mistake just because some dopey fans booed the Zeller pick. Zeller and Bismack = Rasheed and Ben Wallace in 3 years.
Posted by: Steve | Jul 1, 2013 5:11:46 AM
No. Just resign Hendo and McBob and call it a summer. Wait til next year to spend big when we will be the Hornets with three possible first round picks!
Posted by: D.W.G. | Jul 1, 2013 6:25:18 AM
Hopefully with Cho on board they will show some restraint. They have not over paid for anyone since he arrived. I don't think it is a coincidence,
Posted by: Davis | Jul 1, 2013 7:03:31 AM
Bobcats sign a good player from free agency? Not likely, lets go after another high paid (Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Diop, etc) that just plain sucks.
Posted by: Mikey | Jul 1, 2013 7:50:17 AM
^^^^ Zeller and Bismack= Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace, lololololol thanks for the laugh buddy needed it this Monday morning. Bismack will be out of the NBA whenever we let him go.
Posted by: Mikey | Jul 1, 2013 7:52:59 AM
Don't like it. Tank one more year than we go for it. Make a signing like this after next year. Don't overpay this undersized Center.
Posted by: Timmy | Jul 1, 2013 8:28:35 AM
^^^^^....while we have no idea yet on Zeller....at least we know that Biz showed much improvement from year 1 to year 2. Does he have. Long way to go, yes. Is he ever going to be a scoring machine, no. But to say Biz will be out of the league soon is laughable. The kid, and I say kid, works hard and will continue to improve. He will be in the league a long time.
Posted by: Brandon | Jul 1, 2013 8:30:11 AM
Fans need to stop planning on getting Wiggins or Parker in next years' draft. We have been horrible the last two years and the lottery didn't work out for us so I don't see why everyone is so convinced that we will get the 1st or 2nd pick. Also, the only reason they got Ben gordon was to get an extra first round pick. They didn't pay him $13 mil because they thought he was worth it. They took on a bad caontract and got a 1st round pick. He will be off the books next year, possibly sooner.
Posted by: Josh | Jul 1, 2013 8:38:23 AM
jeffeson's D is horrorawful. it scares me. just don't overpay.
Posted by: Jeezy | Jul 1, 2013 9:12:13 AM
I'm okay with Jefferson if we don't over extend ourselves because he brings needed scoring, maturity, leadership and name recognition that might attract other players. I would also be okay with Nikola Pekovic or Kris Humphries. Both could be available for different reasons and at a lower salary. If we are going to spend 15 to 16 Million on Jefferson how about signing Pekovic or Humphries and picking up OJ Mayo or JJ Redick? Lot of options out there that could help us as we move forward.
Posted by: Trublufan | Jul 1, 2013 9:30:33 AM
jefferson is a REALLY solid talent. but we aren't in a position to where it matters if we have him or don't AND he doesn't fit with the personnel. everybody else on the roster is young and built to get up and down the floor. 28 isn't old but he came straight out of HS and has played A LOT. he has miles on him. and he is not a transition player at all.
would make way more sense to go after milsap.
only way this makes sense is if they're getting a good deal and he can play himself up the first half of the season and be traded after january 1st (if that's still the date that new free agent signees can be traded).
even then, I think we're losing a lot of flexibility on the wrong guy. Better ways to use the cap. if a guy doesn't fit into long term plans then the last thing you want him doing is taking minutes away from the young guys while being good enough to hurt draft position and not good enough to contend. not to mention, we surely have to overpay him. atlanta, boston, philly, dallas, milwaukee, all have to be interested on some level.
makes no sense to me.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 9:35:30 AM
mikey.....out of the league?
he was top 10 in blocks playing under 30 mpg IN HIS FIRST 2 SEASONS. some guys aren't flashy but they are effective.
rasheed and ben is a great comparison. you gotta keep in mind, they won a ring when they were around 30 years old. biz and cody are 20.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 9:37:50 AM
The Cats are in the basement on offense . They will stay there unless you make moves like this to get Biz out of the lineup . Biz is terrible . Re sign Henderson and bring in Jefferson . Lets play ball .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 1, 2013 9:39:48 AM
If they can get Jefferson at a reasonable price, then I'm all for it. But if he requires anything close to a max contract, they need to pass like I did on Aaron Rodgers.
Posted by: Marty Hurney | Jul 1, 2013 9:53:14 AM
I'd rather make a trade for Omer Asik, a younger and cheaper alternative (sounds like Rockets will trade him if they land Howard). Of course, he becomes even cheaper if you're trading salary to get him. Plus he played well in this year's playoffs and has more upside given his age and our new coaching staff. I also think he'll require less touches to be effective on offense than Jefferson.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 9:57:27 AM
I like the Asik thought. Jefferson is great talent but i think he's too expensive
Posted by: Justin | Jul 1, 2013 10:00:21 AM
diop was terrible. biz is far from terrible. dude is just young. it's not like he's shooting 30% from the field and turning the ball over crazy.
what biz gives up on offense, jefferson gives up on defense so you're taking the route of signing a guy that will probably hurt the development of the other......instead of just improving the other.
get biz in the gym with ewing all summer (probably already happening) and see what happens with zeller in the lineup with him. you guys want 19 and 20 year olds to be finished product, that's just not how the league works. if we keep giving up on those guys instead of letting them grow up, we're going to continue to be mediocre.
we don't become contenders by signing al jefferson. that's the bottomline. you guys are wanting quick fixes that will ultimately lead to permanent mediocrity AT BEST.
if we're going to throw money at a big.....go tiago splitter. and if you just want a veteran who can score.....overpay carl landry for 1 year. and al jefferson doesn't improve the 33% 3 point shooting that was good for 27th in the league.
WHY WASTE THE CAP SPACE ON A HALF STEP?! wait another year for a legit franchise changer. or wait a few more weeks for the right trade to present itself. would much rather resign mcroberts than bring in jefferson. good player, horrible fit.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 10:00:24 AM
Let's not forget Jefferson had talent around him this year, and he still couldn't score his team into the playoffs. Got to play both sides of the ball and make your teammates better in order to be a contender.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 10:18:20 AM
I hate to say it, but I would rather stand pat in FA this year. Al Jefferson would be a nice addition no question about it, however we have a great shot at getting the #1 pick next year and landing wiggins. Everyone knows the NBA draft lottery is rigged. You think it's a coincedence that right after Lebron left Cleveland they get 2 #1 picks in 3 years? Definitely not..the NBA had to bring the revenue and get fans in the seats in Cleveland. What better team to deserve the #1 pick after we got snubbed the last 2 years and to bring a franchise player to the Charlotte Hornets! The excitement will be all the Hornets and the NBA realizes that the team will need to support of the fans in order to thrive.. therefore, we will get the #1 pick next year if we can just suck it up and hang in there for one more year!
Posted by: Hugo | Jul 1, 2013 10:19:18 AM
The beauty of 2014 is that you don't need the #1 pick to land a franchise player. 2014 is going to be special with a minimum of 3 franchise players available.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 10:27:15 AM
I don't like the idea of Al Jefferson, now that we have Zeller. Zeller might end up being better than Al Jefferson.
I would retaher go after Millsap, who has fresher legs, is a bit younger, omre active on both ends od the floor and cheaper. The Cats should also resign henderson and McRoberts and send Thomas out the door.
Biyombo, Millsap, Zeller, McRoberts & Haywood
That's a prety solid big man rotation of guys who play hard and hustle. With Patrick Ewing as coach and Haywood as a veteran mentor, in two years they will be great.
Now, althouhg is almost impossible, if I were the Bobcats and they want a gamble...offer a two year deal for Andrew Bynum and hope for the best.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 1, 2013 10:32:44 AM
This would be a great move. If we sign him, they would surely move Brendan Haywood. Haywood would be a great chip to move to a Western Playoff team. He has a great contract and West teams need a physical center. Z-Bo and Gasol dominated the West in the paint. Bobcats could get some nice value back. I'd like to see them get into the Eric Bledsoe mix, but since they have Kemba/Ramon I doubt they even consider it.
The biggest move they need to do is Amnesty Tyrus Thomas. It would cost them a ton, but the guy is a total cancer and embarrassment to the franchise. If they really want to change the culture of the franchise, that would be a great start.
Posted by: Jason | Jul 1, 2013 10:33:50 AM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA AL JEFFERSON? We had a chance to pick up Noel and trade him for an All Star like New Orleans did, but instead, we are going to sign a almost washed up Al Jefferson with no defensive skills?
Posted by: Nuoc | Jul 1, 2013 10:34:57 AM
JJ Hickson will be a great addition for the Bobcats. He is way younger and more active than both Jefferson and Millsap. He rebounds extremely well, is an average defender and his offensive game is improving a lot.
I also would like the idea of the Bobcats going after Carlos delfino to get some additional 3PT shooting for a low dollar, short term contract.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 1, 2013 10:37:44 AM
Please don't spend the bank on any FA with too much money and long term. Next years draft should produce a good mix. A Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Gordon or an unknown riser.. would be a good start, plus a 9-13, and 14-18. Please stay the course and spend the money next year. If they can re-sign BM for less, they could rotate BB, BH, CZ, ZM, BM and be ok for a year. They can get one of those, a center/pf, pf/sf, and/or a sg/pg next year with their three picks (if it works out), we will see a team to be proud of and great to watch.
Posted by: Glenn | Jul 1, 2013 10:53:44 AM
"Minimum 3 franchise players in 2014." ???
Look at what one year did for Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, and Shabazz Muhammad's draft stock.
People were psyched on those guys this time last year as being franchise changing players, but now Zeller has been labeled overrated and risky at number 4 (far from the truth), Nerlens has a serious knee injury and weight issues and dropped to 6 in a "weak draft class", and Shabazz faked his age and talked his way into the 14th pick.
We sound like a bunch of Chicago Cubs fans, always talking about next season. What if our draft pick goes to the Bulls and we don't get the Pistons or TrailBlazers picks?
Posted by: Timbo | Jul 1, 2013 11:02:46 AM
much rather hickson to jefferson. hickson plays a lot harder and gets up and down the floor better.
I don't want to bank too much on 2014 draft other than us having a great chance at 3 picks in the top 16. but you NEVER know who gets hurt, who stays an extra year, who doesn't live up to the hype, etc.
al jefferson would be a half step. there's no positive outcome there unless they are thinking alrdridge would be available and are putting together pieces to get him. which would be a coup if pulled off, but how likely is that? eff up the future at a shot at a star? sounds A LOT LIKE THE DAMPIER DEAL.
would be way better off throwing the house at sacramento for cousins and i'm not a huge proponent of that deal.
signing jefferson here reminds me of detroit signing gordon and villanueva.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 11:13:53 AM
Exactly. Go after Jefferson and get him. All the Bobcats fans, if given the choice between $50,000 and a mystery box would always take the mystery box.
Sometimes you actually NEED to upgrade positions after you go 21-61. It's hard to believe, I know, but it's true.
Posted by: Bro Jackson | Jul 1, 2013 11:14:21 AM
Signing Jefferson would be a bad move. We desperately need one more year with a top 5 pick (in a loaded draft).
I think Al Jefferson would make us a fringe playoff team meaning maybe we make it and maybe we don't... But, I think everyone can agree that Al Jefferson won't make us a championship team and winning or atleast competeing for a championship is the goal... it's the reason we blew up the playoff team we had.
If our pick is outside of the top 10 then Chicago gets it. then we are stuck with a mediocre fringe playoff team and no 1st rounder in the deepest draft in 10 years... (unless Detroit improves and we get their pick which has to be 9th or worst).
We need to stay the course. Develop our young guys and conserve our cap space.
Next year we draft our franchise player that will be complemented by our already young and promising core and have around 30 Million to spend on free agency next offseason.
I want a team that competes for championships and Al Jefferson doesn't help us do that.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Jul 1, 2013 11:24:23 AM
When Crash was traded the cited reasons was "too old and good years are behind him"...
...same age as Jefferson now.
So Biz was represented as another Hakeem in the making and even the most ardent slurper has come to realize this just is not gonna happen. So now he's the next Ben Wallace? That's hilarious!
Ben is a 4x All-star, 4x Def-POY, 5x All-NBA, NBA Champion, 6x All-defense, etc...
...Buttfumble can't catch, dribble or shoot.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 11:24:50 AM
What's hilarious is that people on here actually think Jefferson would want to come play for the Bobcats.
NO chance, even on a max deal. This is the armpit of the league we're talking about.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 1, 2013 11:25:15 AM
If it is 3pt shooting, then we have Jeff Taylor already. Why not add someone like Seth Curry who, though not drafted is more of a known commodity around these parts. He would come cheaper and the cost/risk ratio is much lower. He would be a great teammate and should only get better with time.
Posted by: J. Mixon | Jul 1, 2013 11:33:05 AM
Buttfumble? What kind of a jerk makes up a weak nickname like that.
Good thing Wallace was known for his shooting and dribbling. Not funny and knows nothing about hoops. Great combination of skills NASTAR.
Posted by: John | Jul 1, 2013 11:34:43 AM
Yes, 3-5 franchise players. Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Marcus Smart are already light years ahead of Noel with their development. Their stock will not fall any more than Lebron's did. And he never played a game in college!
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 11:35:22 AM
The Rockets are making Omer Asik available! He's signed through 14/15.
Posted by: usc88 | Jul 1, 2013 11:36:29 AM
timbo that's exactly what's going to happen if we sign jefferson and another piece and win 35 games this year. the pick is top 10 protected to chicago.
detroit's is top 8 protected which means it's probably coming. especially if they land a josh smith. they'll win AT LEAST 35 games with knight/smith/drummond/monroe + singler/jerekbo/ukrainian dude/whoever else they sign. even if it is a horrible fit, they'll still win enough games on talent. the bar last year was detroit at 29 games.
the portland pick is top 12 protected which unless they trade LA, should apply also. it was close this past year. utah and dallas just edged them out for those last lottery spots.
I'm all about making the moves to get better right now, but it has to be sustainable. it has to be part of a formula to become a contender. it CANNOT be a half-step that takes away the ability to make a bigger move in the next several years. I think they are looking at al jefferson as being to us what david west is/was to the pacers. the big difference is that indiana was already knocking on the door BEFORE west. the timing was way more appropriate. we are NOWHERE near. so we're not only going to mess up development of other guys, but we'll waste jefferson's prime when he could be back in boston or in dallas where there's already at least 1-2 other pieces to build a legit team.
there are no guarantees in next years draft and there appears to be a much weaker free agent class next year assuming monroe and cousins sign extensions. but if we sit back, we could be getting a salary dump type scenario similar to harden-gay-bargani-etc. and the timing will be better.
we've already gotten better from last year just by getting older and adding zeller. probably some addition by subtraction with thomas/diop.
I don't want them to sit back and do nothing but I want them to go for it and not make a HALF STEP which is what jefferson would be.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 11:37:06 AM
who ever compared biz to hakeem? who ever compared ANYONE to hakeem? how old was ben wallace when he got his first DPOY? 27.
biz at 19 and 20 was top 10 in blocks. let the kid grow up. he's 2 months older than zeller and zeller just played 2 years in college while biz was playing in the pros.
you guys gotta let the kids grow up. al jefferson himself didn't do ANYTHING until he was 22. on one had you guys laud roy hibbert as an elite defender worthy of his max contract (no effing way) and rag on biz. roy hibbert is 26 averaging 12 points a game. biz is 20.
let the kid grow up.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 11:44:20 AM
By the time our roster reaches maturity, Jefferson will be on his decline. Let's go for Omer Asik. Among other things, he's a great defensive rebounder and throws a beautiful outlet pass. It'll be off to the races for Zeller, MKG, Henderson, and Walker.
Don't get me wrong. I love Jefferson's postgame, and he'll get you points and rebounds, but he's not the kind of guy who makes his teammates better. He's the kind of guy, through sheer post skill, who will score you into a 9th seed.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 11:56:45 AM
This guy will be 48 by the time we can content for the playoffs!
Posted by: Ghoul | Jul 1, 2013 12:20:14 PM
Some of you guys really like biyombo huh? Wow you must not be watching the same bobcats games I do. He is awful. Who cares that he is only 20 and been in the league 2 years dude sucks.
Posted by: Mikey | Jul 1, 2013 12:24:00 PM
As one who actually buys season tickets every year I get tired of seeing people write that we shoud be bad one more year. Do you know how long we"ve heard that? Besides, we were worst in the league last year and got #2 pick. We were 2nd worst this year and got #4 pick. Lets's strike now. AJ is a major upgrade.
Posted by: Fred S | Jul 1, 2013 12:36:13 PM
no we must not be watching the same games. I watch ALL OF THEM. the good and the bad.
he had not one, but 2 17 rebound games last season. and a 16 rebound game. i'm not surprised charlotte fans don't like him. charlotte fans don't like jake delhomme, marty hurney, HATED boris diaw, and booed picking cody zeller coming off a 2nd stellar college season.
biz has the makings of a VERY solid starting nba center. and an elite defender. his offense will come. dude can dunk the ish out of the ball. and he started knocking down jumpers at the end of last year.
if you watched most of the games last year, it consisted of our starters staying neck and neck or even leading against strong opponents including the heat and then getting wiped off the floor when the 2nd unit rotated in.
how many 20 year olds around the league are dominating? only guy I can think of is irving and I'm pretty sure he's 21.
how many playoff series' has al jefferson won? zero. he's made the playoffs 1 time as a starter year before last and got swept. if it doesn't make us a contender why do it?
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 12:39:03 PM
Biyombo averaged 5 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks in his second season. Those numbers aren't far off from Ben Wallace's career average of 6 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 2 blocks, and Ben Wallace was instrumental on two Detroit teams that made the finals, one of which won it all. Biyombo could be a major factor once the rest of the team is ready.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 12:39:46 PM
A couple of things. The whole nba draft is now about potential. Most one and done players do not have the fundamental skills to make a immediate difference. As far as Wiggins who knows if he can even play it could be all hype he won't be playing against high schoolers next year or he could end up like Noel hurt, plus with the outdated lottery system there are zero guarantees anyway
Posted by: jeff | Jul 1, 2013 12:44:21 PM
I would sign Cole Aldrich (24) or Al Jefferson (28) to be our starting center. Cole Aldrich would average a double double if he played 25 minutes a game. First choice would be Jefferson - but Aldrich would be a real nice addition too. McRoberts would be my first signing though.
Posted by: Dom | Jul 1, 2013 12:51:49 PM
Marcus Smart is not one and done, and Jabari Parker and Wiggins would come into the NBA straight out of high school under the old rules similar to Lebron and Kobe. I understand your concerns, but these guys are in a different category. That's 3 locks. Plus Julius Randle is a probable franchise player. Figure one more surprise, and you have the best draft in a decade.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 12:58:18 PM
if Omer Asik is available I would offer MKG and the Portland #1 pick for Terrance Jones and Omer Asik.
Posted by: Dom | Jul 1, 2013 1:02:28 PM
Or - I would offer MKG and the Portland #1 for Asik and Thomas Robinson.
Either way we make room for Wiggins or Parker on the wing, add a power forward to go along with Zeller and McRoberts and we get a center for the next seven years. Robinson clears more cap space for the Rockets than Jones - so the Rockets have to decide which one they want to start along side Howard and Parsons. Either way is a good deal for the Hornets!
Posted by: Dom | Jul 1, 2013 1:08:02 PM
Sorry MKG.... But I don't see you fixing your terrible outside shot so you are not starter quality at 3 in the NBA. You are a defensive specialist that comes off the bench to shutdown a 2 or 3 who is hot - and you might hang around the NBA for 12 years just to do that. But the Hornets need a big time scorer at the 3 to team up with Henderson and Walker and you are never going to be that guy.
Posted by: Dom | Jul 1, 2013 1:12:13 PM
I don't think it would take that much to land Asik. They want to clear cap space. Taylor and a second round pick should be enough. Taylor and the Portland pick definitely would be. Alternatively Sessions and a pick, but that clears less space for them.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 1:16:39 PM
Wasn't MKG the first rookie since Lebron to post 25 points and 12 rebounds a couple of times?
Glad people think a 19 year old has already reached his potential. How stupid can you be? Biz and MKG could have been playing AAU ball a year ago.
Posted by: John | Jul 1, 2013 1:17:12 PM
NASTAR must have started using multiple names. I refure to beleive there are this many stupid people in Charlotte.
Posted by: Skip | Jul 1, 2013 1:18:18 PM
1 - thomas robinson already got traded for 2 2nds and 2 euro prospects from portland.
2 - MKG should be off limits for anyone and NO EFFING WAY WOULD IT BE FOR ASIK AND TERRENCE JONES. let alone adding a pick on to that. are you kidding?
25 and 12 and he did it twice. as the youngest player in the league. now we have zeller to add in the mix of 20 year old prospects. if we keep this group together, we will contend in a few years. if we jump the gun and eff up the program.....we will AGAIN be rebuilding 5 years from now.
MKG is a STUD prospect. summer league coming up in a few weeks and i bet they ban MKG after a game or 2 of complete domination.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 1:44:53 PM
I agree on MKG. Off limits. I'd say the same for Walker and Zeller. I'd pay to see those three together.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 1, 2013 2:19:35 PM
listen guy...no all-star caliber athlete wants to play for the bobcats. so they need to take what they can get and hope to land a superstar in next years draft...Cody will not be a superstar ever.
Posted by: chuck | Jul 1, 2013 2:26:22 PM
No multiple names Skippy.
charlottean, Michael Jordan did.....Fowler talks about it right here: "Bobcats owner Michael Jordan has compared Biyombo to a young Hakeem Olajuwon."
John, players who can't shoot or dribble don't make the All-Star team. Gerald made the All-Star team. Hence, you are wrong.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 2:27:05 PM
Even if Bobcats get one of the top picks next year no way MJ chooses Wiggins or Parker bc that would be the smart thing to do and as history has shown us in every single draft by MJ he has never made a wise choice.
Posted by: Mikey | Jul 1, 2013 2:35:46 PM
firstly do NOT and i repeat NOT tank the year. look at what happened the past TWO years when we stunk. go ahead and just re-sign McRoberts (backup) and Henderson (good) and go with that and then when we get the 3rd pick in the NBA Draft, we can then be laughed at for missing on BOTH the guys that we need the most in Wiggins and Parker and no i dont care how good Smart is, we pass as we already have Kemba Walker. as for what i think we should do, we should sign Mayo and offer him alot of money to come and if we can sign another big man and re-sign Henderson.
Posted by: mitchell | Jul 1, 2013 2:37:13 PM
They look at Jefferson, because his low post offensive skills would fill a big need for the Bobcats; he's also a very good rebounder.
But, he's not very good at running up and down the floor (which is a problem in transition, especially for defense; not so much in offense, where we have other players who can run the fastbreaks), and his half-court defense is suspect too, which is not a good fit in a Steve Clifford team.
Also, he's very high priced, and he's at the peak of his career now, unlike our other starters. He'd fit much better in a team that tries to be among the top ones in their conference this season.
So, although he's a player I always liked , he doesn't seem to be what the Bobcats need now.
I'd like a trade for Omer Asik. He's just one year younger than Jefferson, but has less mileage, contributes at both ends of the floor, and is a very good rebounder. He's a better fit for the Bobcats, and also, better perspective for the future seasons, when this team could be ready for deep playoffs run.
The Rockets are in salary dump mode; if they are interested in one of our 2014 first round picks (from Detroit or Portland), this is an opportunity the Bobcats should take.
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 1, 2013 2:39:41 PM
Oh yeah Biyombo went from 46 fg% to 45% which is just awful for someone who doesn't shoot outside of four feet. His rebounds did go up from 5.8 to 7.3 which is an improvement but he is 6'9-6'10 he should be grabbing more rebounds. And last but not least his points went down from 5.2 to 4.8 so I don't see where you are seeing his "improvements." oh yeah he did improve free throw shooting from 48 to 52% also a great number for a pf/center who should be getting fouled a lot.
Posted by: Mikey | Jul 1, 2013 2:44:59 PM
Damn, what a bunch of stupid ass dummies commenting here. Thanks church league daddys.
Posted by: Hugo Panther | Jul 1, 2013 2:51:56 PM
Word is Prokhorov got out his monster checkbook and secured Kyle Korver for the Nets. Bing, bam, boom, done.
Are the BOBcats really even in the running for Jefferson? Seems unlikely.
Why would any free agent veteran pick the BOBcats?
I can think of one reason, it's the only offer they have. Outside of that I'm at a loss...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 2:55:47 PM
Ok - I may have been a little harsh on MKG. Maybe he will improve with a new coach, more experience and someone to help him learn how to shoot.
BTW - I am not giving up on MKG... I never liked him as the #2 pick in the first place. Maybe #9 or so - but not #2. Terrance Jones is far more talented and can play 3 and 4. I do like Taylor and thought he was a steal in the second round. I like Walker and Biz too. I also like Zeller - I wanted Bennett but he was gone and my second choice was to trade down but they didn't get the deal they wanted. So Zeller will be just fine. Len was the only other option in my mind and since they were planning on getting Jefferson all along now we know why they didn't take Len.
Posted by: Dom | Jul 1, 2013 3:25:06 PM
saying terrence jones is "far more talented" is borderline blasphemy. seriously.
never saw that quote before. but that's insanity. not even close to hakeem. only thing similar is the continent they were born on. even howard is nowhere near hakeem level. no where close. not even duncan.
as for the "improvements"....should he rebound more, yes no doubt. but he gave you 7 boards in 27 mpg. 33rd in the league in total rebounds but every single guy in front of him except fro reggie evans and deandre jordan played more minutes. his per 36 number was solidly among starters. there are 30 teams in the league. if he's a top 30 rebounder at age 20 and top 10 in blocks......HOW IS THERE ANYTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT?
and the free throw shooting DID spike up at one point to 60%. shot terribly 2nd half of the season from the line. not acceptable to me at all, but i mean if you look around the league at big men......it's par for the course. he started knocking down that udonis haslem/kurt thomas patented baseline jumper late last season and if that's ALL he ends up being able to do.....that's more than ben wallace or reggie evans or whoever among that type.
just let the kid play a few years and get coached a few years. he's going to be an nba starter for a long time whether it's here or elsewhere.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 3:51:43 PM
forgot to mention that.....we have 8 guys under contract right now........+ zeller - thomas is still 8. that means even if we bring back mcroberts and henderson, we still have 3 spots we HAVE TO FILL.
We have 40 million committed prior to zeller/henderson/mcroberts and those 3 deals should put us right around the salary floor so we don't HAVE to spend a lot of money, but we do have to sign another 3 guys in addition to them. I would imagine a 3rd point guard will be one of them. troy daniels will get a look in vegas. jeff adrien may still be in play, we had an option for this season, but i'm not sure if that has been declined already or not.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 1, 2013 4:23:14 PM
charlottean, agree with you, it's unfair to compare Bizmack to Hakeem (or Ben for that matter). He's a pleasant and well behaved young man and one can only hope for the best for him but the hyperbole heaped on us about him by Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho, combined with a too-high #7 pick, creates a set of expectations which he will have trouble meeting.
In Ben Wallace's rookie year he only got INTO 34 games, started 0. His first 3 years in the league Ben only started 32 games, COMBINED! The difference being, Ben was undrafted.
#7 picks don't get the luxury of time like undrafted players do...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 4:26:06 PM
Hey Nastar. Did Ben Wallace ever make the all-star team? Can he shoot or dribble? You cant even make it through one thread without contradicting yourself. What an absolute moron.
Posted by: Skip | Jul 1, 2013 4:39:00 PM
Where's the contradiction Skippy?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 4:49:41 PM
"Ben is a 4 time all-star"
"Players who can't shoot or dribble don't make all-star teams"
I am sure there will be some lame attempt to justify those statements forthcoming. Don't bother.
Posted by: Skip | Jul 1, 2013 5:13:34 PM
^^^You seriously think this guy won't respond? He has said much more idiotic things than that and keeps coming back. And you are right. That is a complete contradiction.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder 2 | Jul 1, 2013 6:19:59 PM
^^^Get ready to be called a slurper. NASTAR's go to move when he is clearly wrong about something. Which is alot.
Posted by: James R. | Jul 1, 2013 6:29:32 PM
Ben made the All-Star team so obviously he can do a little of shooting and dribbling -- clearly the line was a major struggle (I could have fixed that).
Here's the kicker, Ben can CATCH! Imagine that an undrafted guy who c catch!! We have a #7 that can do none of the above.
Season Ticket Holder, do you work? Are you independently wealthy? If the answers are yes, and no, you should stop buying season tickets. Why would you pay face value for ANYTHING that can easily be had less than 50cents on the dollar? Unless that is you are stupid...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 1, 2013 6:58:31 PM
^^^^^^^.Wallace can shoot and dribble? You really will say anything to try to save face. Holy crap what a moron. Do you even watch basketball or just make stupid comments. That was clearly rhetorical.
I like my season ticket location and don't plan on giving ithem up. Can't wait to see Zeller play with this young group. He and Kemba will be fun to watch next year. Why you bother commenting when your hatred is so clear is strange. I really enjoy your childish nicknames. Your family must be so proud.
Posted by: Season Ticket Hoder 2 | Jul 1, 2013 7:57:46 PM
Can people please stop responding to that idiot Naster. Just pretend he is not there. He is the definition of an Internet troll. Just look at every blog and its the same. Don't feed the trolls. Rule number one on the Internet. Yes. I know I just did it, but I won't do it again, thank you.
Posted by: Spencer | Jul 1, 2013 8:04:45 PM
Just saw that Jefferson is visiting Charlotte. I don't care if they sign him, but it is nice to see guys coming here.
Posted by: Tommy Boy | Jul 1, 2013 8:07:30 PM
CJ Watson to Indiana. People can't wait t replace these former Bobcats scrubs. Guess we hung onto the better point guard.
Posted by: Bingo | Jul 1, 2013 8:22:21 PM
I would welcome the move to acquire Jefferson if the price is reasonable. I believe(barring injury) he could be a 18-point 9-rebound player for the next five years. I can picture Jefferson, Biz, and Zeller controlling the glass which has been a major weakness. I can also picture Jefferson and Zeller giving this team great low-post scoring which has also been a major weakness. Biz can then focus on blocking shots and rebounding. In that five year window for Jefferson to be at his best and maybe help this team win a championship, Zeller would be in his 5th year - MKG in his 6th year - Kemba and Biz in their 7th and Hendo(if resigned) in his 9th. If they haven't won a championship by Jefferson's 5th year with that group, then it probably will never happen for that group even with Jefferson being replaced with fill in the blank star.
Posted by: will | Jul 1, 2013 8:34:00 PM
Startng to like these moves. If they amnesty Thomas, this team will really prove to me how serious they are. Standing by.,
Posted by: Jimmer | Jul 1, 2013 9:41:46 PM
Sorry, folks; Charlorttean taking you guys to school like he does 96%of the time.
Signing Jefferson now is crazy when we are currently building through the draft and have beautiful cap space next summer-
Posted by: Hi! I'm lil wicky bonnell, i pwesume! | Jul 1, 2013 10:55:28 PM
Ask yourself, does Jefferson, Zeller, and Biz work as your front-court rotation? Of course it does. Pure post scoring 5, stretch 4, defense/shot-blocking specialist. All 3 can rebound. This is a very balanced group. Having two guys that can score in the various ways that Jefferson and Zeller can score will completely change the look of this team in a good way. More open looks for the guards, among other things.
Does it put us out of lottery contention? Possibly.
Does it put us in a salary cap predicament in a couple years when one of our young guys (Kemba, MKG, etc) develops and we need to drop some major dime on him? Possibly.
Should we do it? Yes, BUT ONLY at the right price and for the right number of years. Anything "larger" than $12M per year for 3 years is too much.
I do feel that we (and me) are wasting time on this, as the good teams that miss out on Howard, Igoudala, etc, are going to be giving this guy a call and he is going to merely use our offer as leverage.
That said, as a patient Bobcats fan (and, face it, you have to be patient to still be a Bobcats fan), I am 100% fine with avoiding the FA market until next year. The team will be better than last year simply because of better coaching, another year's experience for the young'ens, and the upgrade of Zeller over Mullens. Better, and entertaining. If we show progress this year, then have a good draft in 2014, we are a well on our way to being a successful small market rebuilding project. While Jefferson doesn't compromise this, he does throw a wrinkle in what otherwise looks like a coherent plan.
I guess we'll know in a few days.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Jul 1, 2013 11:28:27 PM
One reason that isn't frequently noted as a reason to wait to sign a big free agent is to better evaluate the talent on your roster. Maybe one of the young guys explodes and becomes the 10-year solution at his position. If we already sign an older, more established guy at the same position, we have created roster imbalance. You want to use the limited salary resources in the most efficient way possible, especially when you're team like Charlotte who will probably never go over the luxury tax. You also want to give the young guys all the playing time you can to allow them the best opportunity to develop. As it relates to frontcourt guys, this is a lesser argument because we have plenty of minutes available due to the lack of able veteran bodies.
I do have some confidence in Cho. Since taking over, I don't think we have had a single terrible contract awarded or traded for (ala Carroll, Diop, Okafor, Mohammed, etc). Hopefully he keeps that streak alive.
Posted by: Cats_Fan | Jul 1, 2013 11:37:37 PM
Growing up Wallace played four sports (hoops, football, baseball & track) and was All-State in every one except track...and you think he can't dribble a basketball?
Don't accuse me of hating anyone or anything, that's untrue. Now unlike you slurpers I am perfectly willing to hold the team owner accountable for his complete ineptitude as a manager, as well as his seemingly unsurpassed ability to run a team straight into the ground.
21-120 in the Kemba Era. Unacceptable.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 2, 2013 2:26:14 AM
Bad news folks, looks like His Minimumness is going to have to tighten the belt some...
...looks like Tyrus is gonna suit up again for the BOBcats!!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 2, 2013 2:27:41 AM
How about this deal. If NASTAR is wrobng AGAIN. This time about the Bobcats amnestying Thomas. He goes away. Sound fair? Probably not. That would require some pride, but it will be another massively wrong prediction by Nashole. Now that is a cool nickname.
Posted by: Season Ticket Holdr 2 | Jul 2, 2013 3:33:40 AM
Want to take that bet? Loser discontinues posting. Maybe you can actually stand behind one of your statements for a change. Or maybe you can do it when the Bobcats don't change their name. Oh wait......
Posted by: Season Ticket Holda 2 | Jul 2, 2013 3:47:18 AM
Would be great if they get Jefferson. That would be a solid frontcourt especially if they sign McRoberts as well. If not, I am goos with sitting tight for one more year. See what payers develop. Use your 3 draft picks and go heavy in free agency next year. Good result either way.
Posted by: Michael | Jul 2, 2013 4:16:36 AM
And I will bet the Bobcats amnesty Thomas.
Posted by: Michael | Jul 2, 2013 4:17:53 AM
I am in on that bet. No doubt they amnesty Thomas.
Posted by: Horncat | Jul 2, 2013 4:42:35 AM
Seriously. There is no one in the world that thinks Ben Wallace could shoot or handle the basketball. I have seen some dumb things before, but that one finally takes the cake. I loved the guy. Great rebounder and shot blocker, but probably didn't shoot it or handle it better than Rodman. Was literally the worst free throw shooter in NBA history. Where do some of these people come from?
Posted by: Miley T | Jul 2, 2013 7:17:50 AM
My other concern with signing Jefferson is how the move affects the development of our other players. MGK has some excellent, efficient post moves. Zeller hasn't played his first minutes, and we are still evaluating Biyombo. I'm concerned Jefferson will get about 20 isolations in the post a game with the rest of our team standing around. That's going to hurt player development, not to mention what price we pay for Jefferson and whether that limits our ability to keep players down the road.
If we want a 5 who can play great defense and give us 10 or 12 points a game at the right price, why not look into Robin Lopez? He's a fluid big man, who plays great defense, and his post moves, though not as good as Jefferson's, are improving along with his FG%. It sounds like the Pelicans will either move him or let him go because they want to develop Davis and retain some of their other young guys. You see, they're thinking ahead.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 2, 2013 9:29:22 AM
whatever we do, we should do ABSOLUTELY nothing until after howard makes his mind up.
If howard wants to go to golden state and the lakers don't want to help.........we are one of a few teams in position to help. we could conceivably take on bogut/rush/thompson in a salary dump and then golden state could take biedrens and a pick and throw him at a boston or atlanta or philly and be in position to sign howard without lakers help.
we could be sitting back RETAINING all of our cap room with bogut and rush expiring and adding a major scorer like thompson. it's not quite the james harden deal, but that's a seriously good deal to be able to retain all of our cap space next year.
I'm a huge proponent of the bobcats keeping henderson, but if we had the opportunity to land thompson?! no brainer.
you sign jefferson, you don't have that young game changer that you might be able to land by leveraging the cap space and draft picks. it's a half step. we don't need a piece, we need a franchise changer.
i would definitely hold thompson up in the light way more than jefferson given that thompson is 23, and just came off an insane playoff run with curry where they traded big games. 23 year olds having big playoff games is not normal. and he's still on rookie scale so if it doesn't work out......you have 2 full seasons to determine his worth as a long term building block.
if anyone sees jefferson in town tomorrow......tell him to eff off, he's not welcome.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 2, 2013 9:38:59 AM
robin lopez would be a good look. 2 years @ 5 million each is completely reasonable for him. he's a way better floor player than his brother, just doesn't quite shoot as well. good fit because he would be cheap enough to come off the bench, but solid and experienced enough to start/play starter minutes.
keeps open a lot of future cap room as it's easy to make 1 year @ 5 million disappear real quick.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 2, 2013 9:42:42 AM
Charlottean is right on. The name of the game at this point is flexibility. You stay flexible in case something falls in your lap, either to help a team orchestrate a move or to land a guy on a cheap one or two year contract after he fails to find a buyer in free agency.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 2, 2013 9:43:18 AM
Although I would prefer for the Bobcats to stand pat for one more summer, if they are going to make a move, Al Jefferson is perhaps the best one they can do (assuming that he actually wants to play in Charlotte and the price is right). All teams are willing to pay for big guys who can score and Al is one of the best offensive big men in the league, plus he actually rebaounds the ball. Now, it will definetly take a 4 year contract, that being said, anything above $12M per year is not good and both MJ and Cho should say "No Thank You!".
Even after signing Jefferson (at $12M/Year) and Henderson at ($7M/Year), the Bobcats/Hornets will still have between $17-$20M in Salary Cap next Summer and the timing will be right on for the extensions on Kemba and Biyombo at the end of 2015/16 Season. Jefferson will be an expiring contract.
At this time, I will not try to tank in hopes of getting Wiggins and/or Parker, since the Bobcats have already been screwed way too many times. I don't think the Bobcats will make the playoffs next season and I'm sure they will still be a Top 6-8 Pick in the Draft. Also, it is very likely that we will get Detroit's and Portland Picks, which will be good if the Bobcats want to move up in the Draft.
That being said, if the price is right and Jefferson really wants to play in Charlotte (Big If!), go for it. I'm OK with paying for a solid big man that can actually score and rebound the ball, even at 28-29 years of age. Big men usually last longer than guards, and he will allow for MKG, Kemba and Henderson to have more space and drive to the basket. Also, that should not take time away from Zeller or Biyombo, since they (and hopefully McRoberts)will be the big maen rotation and all but McRoberts should get at least 25-30 minutes per game.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 2, 2013 10:19:48 AM
under that scenario.....we would have 38 million committed to 8 players (not including mcroberts) for 2014-15. Then you have to add in 1-3 lottery picks......could be as much as 9 million which would put us about 13-14 million below the cap.
so that scenario vs. being 26 million below the cap and having a higher draft pick next year.
if jefferson was a game changer, I would be all in, but he's not. if we were talking cousins......I would be more on board even though I hate the attitude problems (i think mkg could reign him in). If we were talking even a j.j. hickson, i would be on board (even at 12 million which is way above his market value). Jefferson just isn't a great fit with the team we're building.
you never saw indiana or OKC or houston make this kind of move.
I would be more on board with josh smith and he's obviously not going to come here unless we go max contract.....which I am against but more for than giving jefferson 36 million. smith fits the team way better.
i don't think the idea is to stand pat this year but to wait for a better option. there are a TON of teams that are going to want to dump salary at the deadline to limit their tax exposure when they're out of contention. There will be some deals on the table.
any half step that potentially prevents a full step is a questionable move. we give jefferson and henderson what you propose and we have 62 million on payroll this year, less thomas would only leave us 5-6 million in wiggle room and that's before we sign mcroberts or whoever else to fill out the other several roster spots. leaves us no flexibility at the deadline.
I would rather they go stoudemire than jefferson and that deal is available on the table for nothing. especially if they lose jr smith, a ben gordon for stoudemire deal would go over smoothly. throw in haywood if need be. stoudemire expires after 14-15 and if we're sending gordon out, would leave us in the same range as with signing jefferson, but getting a more impactful player who fits better.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 2, 2013 11:05:10 AM
He could shoot it just fine, range was limited ;) As for "handling" it, he could do that just fine too. You don't average 12 boards for a career without incredibly good hands. Ben's job wasn't to dribble the ball downcourt and...it was to hang onto it when he got it in the post and make good use of it, and he was an expert at doing -- spectacular ball control on some of the best hands in the game. When the ball hit Ben's hands he never dropped it... Unfortunately the same can't be said for "next Ben Wallace". Biz is such a nice guy I felt bad about hanging that other nickname on him but "Next" ain't so bad, that's a good one going forward.
I very well may be wrong about Tyrus, hopefully so. However, explain to me how the situation is ONE IOTA different this year vs. last year, and they didn't do it last year.
We will know soon, the window for making 2013 amnesty decisions is limited to July 1 to July 9.
At this point why would His Minimumness amnesty Tyrus? Who is he going to replace him with for this year?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 2, 2013 11:35:58 AM
BTW, why are some of you so sensitive? You get so darn upset, probably not good for your health. Might be a good idea for you to stay away from the forums until you develop a thicker skin (not to mention a sharper mind). Typical of slurpers...His Minimumness just loves you guys, his only hope.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 2, 2013 11:45:22 AM
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