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July 15, 2013

Video highlights: Cody Zeller leads Charlotte Bobcats to 1st summer-league win

Charlotte Bobcats 86, Dallas Mavericks 80: Cody Zeller, the 4th overall pick in the 2013 NBA Draft, scored 21 points and grabbed 13 rebounds to help the Bobcats close out the Mavericks in the 2013 NBA Summer League in Las Vegas.

Posted by Charlotte Observer on July 15, 2013 at 12:56 AM | Permalink

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I'm told the NBA administers their own version of the Wonderlic Test that's part of the NFL combine, but the NBA does a lot better job keeping the scores confidential.

I bet Cody probably scored very well...likely among the 3 highest on the BOB's team.

Would love to see how BOBcat player scores stack up internally, and vs. the rest of the league!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2013 1:58:45 AM

Zeller is a player.

Posted by: Tim Kempton | Jul 15, 2013 5:37:10 AM

I'm told that NASTAR is a d bag racist POS.

Posted by: Thomas | Jul 15, 2013 7:00:18 AM

Summer League Scouting Report....

Zeller. NBA ready. Great pick.rookie of the year potential.
MKG. Solid all around player. Will probably not make a big jump this year. Needs to get stronger. Not sure why he has not gotten bigger from year one to year 2 like Taylor.
Taylor. Most improved. Will be the Tony Allen of this team.
Biz. Defensively looks very good. Timing and positioning improved. Offense has a long way to go.
Sims. Makes Biz look like Hakeem. Will never play in the NBA. No idea what Rick is looking at.
Dyson/Triche. One could be a 3rd point guard.
Ewing Jr. Not an NBA player.

Posted by: Dave | Jul 15, 2013 7:10:56 AM

Zeller is white, therefore he must have score well. Right NASTAR. Holy @&!? you are an ass.

Posted by: Skip | Jul 15, 2013 8:50:12 AM

the turnovers were HORRIBLE. i mean we had bench guys with 4 and 5 turnovers that didn't crack 20 minutes. it was insane.

somebody asked bonnell on twitter about zeller playing some 3 against bigger 3's and bonnell said no. after watching this......no doubt he could. all the comparisons to aldridge were way off....aldridge cannot defend like zeller, jump like zeller, run like zeller, etc. he's way more than aldridge. zeller is an absolute superior athlete.

and thats not getting gassed up over 1 solid summer league game. facts are....aldridge can't do those things. i cannot believe our fans booed this pick. this guy is going to be the steal of the draft at 4.


biyombo's still a ways off and i was frustrated with him early on but he turned it up in the 4th, made some free throws, had some nice post moves, had 3 insanely athletic drives off of pick and roll dump offs. 1 resulted in a charge, 1 in a bucket and 1 in free throws. it's progress. the block late was insane. top of the free throw square and he batted it out of bounds.

zeller to biz on high-low action was also looking good. i saw that as a possibility pre draft but was thinking down the road.....they connected several times although biz blew 2 of them. it'll get there. for 2 20 year old bigs.....we have something dynamic there.

taylor and mkg just look solid. knocking down shots, creating turnovers, making good passes.nothing to complain about there.

none of the other guys hold a candle. skeen needs to get a look over ewing jr. today. jr. looked good friday, but horrible yesterday. i would like to see deron washington a bit as well. we have too many roster spots available to have fielded this weak of a roster, especially at point guard. dyson has his moments but he's just not nba caliber. thought daniels would get more of a look. especially over triche.


has anybody seen schroeder play for atlanta? wow. that dude is rubio level with the passing. between he and bebe atlanta might have robbed the middle of this draft and found 2 long time starters. that kid can absolutely play the point already. teague will get traded quickly.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 8:51:03 AM

Well, it's still early, but Cho looks to have gotten this pick right with Zeller.

Love the way he's always in motion. Setting screens, rolling, rebounding, holding his arms up to defend, etc. He really is an intelligent player with the basic fundamentals already down.

Posted by: D.W.G. | Jul 15, 2013 9:23:15 AM

Turnovers not surprising. Most teams have a legit point guard on their team. Zeller looked amazing yesterday. He was like a point forward. Great all around play.

Posted by: Michael Hauth | Jul 15, 2013 9:30:34 AM

thought i'd never say this.....but i'd rather have cory higgins running point than him playing for cleveland or whoever he's playing for.

i just don't want him on the regular season roster. but these guys are taking possessions and shots away from our draft picks by turning the ball over like that.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 9:58:06 AM

After Friday night i was nervous about Zeller. Holy wow.... was just one game but there is no way u can't walk away feeling Jacked about him! The driving.... Just the Motor both sides. Awesome.
Taylor is the next Phills/Raja or better.
MKG still those Long 2's thought see something more but solid.
Biz he is frustrating shuffling feet before dunking. Did a good move at end and then him dribbleing his way of out of trouble didn't know whether to laugh or be happy. I think hes gonna do fine.

Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jul 15, 2013 12:19:04 PM

Incredibly impressed with Zeller's comfort level in game 2, especially considering all the things they're asking him to do out there. And, man, he was doing them all. On top of everything else, he would have had a couple more assists if guys could have finished.

Is it just me or does Zeller look like he has a minimum ceiling of a Chris Bosh 2.0? They have similar height, body type, athleticism, speed up the floor, versatility of offensive games (inside & out depending on what the defense gives them), rebounding potential, and even that ability to cleanly block jump shooters.

I'd give Zeller even more upside, though, because he's doing all this at 20 and doesn't shy away from contact.

There's a long way to go, but you got to love this pick right now.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 15, 2013 12:43:48 PM

I have to admit, Zeller looked shy and a little uncomfortable in Game 1. But in Game 2 he looked impressive, you could just see it in his demeanor, he was confident, he was active, efficient, smart, he looked every bit as the Top player a 4th overall Pick should be. Looking forward to see him play real NBA ball.

Jeff Taylor is also lookin SO MUCH better, stronger and improving his offense. He will be a great rotation guy.

MKG is a defensive stud as we all knew, he is also showing a better flow and improvement in his jumper. It maybe slow, but he will improve his offense and become a solid SF with REAL All-Star potential.

Posted by: RobC | Jul 15, 2013 2:06:27 PM

You guys do realize that Zeller is going up against talent that's not even on par with what he saw in the Big Ten last year right? Just about every team outside the Bobs fields scrubs trying to make the 12th spot on the bench. There is a D-league Select team in this league. They are likely better than anyone on the Mavs roster this summer.

Not saying Zeller is not and won't be good, but consider the competition and put his performance in perspective a bit before you declare him the next Dirk or Aldridge or whoever.

Posted by: Fred | Jul 15, 2013 2:09:06 PM

i would say bosh is the best comparison. he looked dirk like playing the elbow but that comparison doesn't add up because dirk doesn't bring it defensively and zeller isn't THAT level of shooter (yet?).

i just don't get how anyone could have booed the pick on draft night.

you idiots wanted len?! seriously?! alex len?!

eff outta here.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 2:11:20 PM

Kemba played terrible last summer against that talent and had helluva year.

Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Jul 15, 2013 2:20:17 PM

Forget Len. Zeller is ready to play. Now.

And I have another comparison that is going to sound like sacrilege to some. Not with the skill level at this point, but with something else. The mental aspects of the game. The poise, command of the ball, the court vision, awareness of spacing, knowing where his guys are on the floor, taking what the defense gives him, the offensive creativity, the desire to get better and to compete on every single possession.

In these respects, he reminds me of another famous Hoosier.
Larry Bird. It sound crazy now, but Bird came into this league at 23 years old and was one of the most advanced rookies, if not the most, ever to play the game. Give Zeller 3 years to develop as a point forward, and even if Zeller never replicates Bird's crazy shooting, the entire nation will be making the comparison

Better yet, we'll be winning playoff games. One after another.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 15, 2013 3:00:13 PM

wow.

those 2 reverse layups by zeller were impressive. as were biz's blocks.

it's crazy to think those 2 are 20. can't imagine what they could be after playing together for 5 years. with kemba and mkg and taylor and hopefully henderson.

that's a sick group when you REALLY REALLY look down the road. that group can contend if we keep it together and develop the parts properly.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 6:20:46 PM

WHAT THE EFF WAS UP WITH GRUNWALD'S BLOUSE THOUGH?!

i can't stand rod higgins and his idiotic trades, but at least we never caught rod on camera rockin some ish he pulled out of his wife's closet.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 6:22:12 PM

Zeller leads Bobcats to 2nd win!

Posted by: Michael Hauth | Jul 15, 2013 7:04:45 PM

He's not going to be able to get to the bucket that easily against NBA bigs this year, but he will in a few years.

for a 20 year old prospect, this is very very very encouraging. keep in mind with stats that they are playing 40 minutes, not 48 and that the competition is older, more experienced, and better than college competition (not as well coached up of course). it's like a college all-star league so regardless of how far the competition is from nba caliber......it IS above college.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2013 8:04:49 PM

Zeller and Taylor continue to impress. Whoever they're going up against, MKG is going up against the same guys, and MKG had some success in the NBA last year.

If Zeller and Taylor are outplaying MKG by this much I don't see either of them having any problem this year, particularly when we'll have Jefferson absorbing defenders and Kemba getting the ball to guys in better spots/more cleanly than our summer league point guards are doing.

The big remaining question is what will happen with Henderson and whether Taylor might take his place in the starting lineup.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 15, 2013 10:56:31 PM

i don't think they are outplaying mkg. i just think he's playing a floor game and letting them score. mkg is a guy that doesn't take dumb shots and summer league is filled with guys taking dumb shots.

if he were playing bad you would see those 1 for 11 with 5 turnover type games we've seen other high draft picks have. he's giving you 4 for 4, some assists, some steals some rebounds, etc. and he's shooting mostly jumpers which has been good to see. that's the one hole in his game so if he eliminates that, he will be a really special player.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 8:19:43 AM

Maybe you're right about MKG. He might be deferring on offense, but that also might become his game during the year. Hard to see why he would warrant more touches than Jefferson, Walker, Zeller, or Taylor. If we keep Henderson, MKG looks like our sixth best option on offense, seventh if you count Sessions.

I wouldn't mind seeing MKG part of a second unit that thrives on harassing defense, hustle play, and attacking the rim, similar to the style the team played under Dunlap. Clifford has talked to the guys about how he prefers a different style of defense, one that prioritizes preventing penetration over getting steals. A different philosophy that translates into different offensive opportunities, less break out and hustle baskets. Generally I agree with Clifford because Dunlap's approach probably gets you a few extra wins but stifles player development (what do you learn from cheating on defense, running down the court for dunks). That said, I think a high energy type second unit could be exciting and effective and give MKG another year to develop his shot in practice.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 8:57:27 AM

i think he'll defer a lot less when the games matter and once he finds his game within the new offense. you don't want him on the 2nd unit ever.

not to mention he'll play more minutes. he will find his points gerald wallace style - in transition, on put backs, broken plays, etc. if he adds the jump shot to the arsenal, our offense is going to be very stout.

he put up a lotta points last year in summer league with ease. some of that was the system played better for him and some of it was him wanting to prove himself. this go-round I think he's just working on his game more than stat stuffing.

keep in mind that he's younger than both zeller and biyombo and something like 3 or 4 years younger than taylor. there's no doubt to me that his ceiling is higher but taylor is way more refined right now.

i really like the idea of the 2 playing alongside each other with henderson playing the 6th man role as the go-to guy of the 2nd unit. taylor and mkg are to wing defense what steph curry and klay thompson are to shooting.

we seriously might have a starting 5 resembling the all nba defensive team here in a few years when biz takes over for jefferson. i would love for them to find a 5-10 game stretch where they could send biz to the d-league to be the featured player on offense in some games that don't matter which he isn't able to do in vegas playing alongside taylor and zeller. hard to pull it off without having a single affiliate set up though. it's hard to develop offensive tendencies without the game experience though. bigs can't go out on the wing and make plays for themselves so they rely on the guards to make plays for them or dump the ball into the post. we're seeing MORE of it than we saw last summer, but it's still not enough. to see any kind of real return on investment.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 9:33:52 AM

Well, they're planning on cutting the minutes of the core players in the remaining summer league games. Might be an opportunity to let Biz stay out there and take care of business. Give him more touches in the post, some plays rolling to the basket.

Whatever they do this year, I think they should prioritize player development over an extra 3-5 wins, particularly given what's at stake with the lottery and the unlikely chance of making playoffs. You're right about MKG being young with huge upside. I'm all for helping him get there, whatever it takes, at the expense of a few wins in his second year and the last before the Hornets return.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 9:47:15 AM

"Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet."

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 9:48:26 AM

I also want to say something about defense. I know there have been some concerns about Jefferson's defense and even some about Zeller's, but it really is easier for guys to defend well when the offense is functioning. One because you don't have to expend so much energy on transition defense after all the missed shots, but more importantly, it's easier for guys like Biz and MKG to give it their all on defense (look at Biz's block last night) when the offense is keeping you in games.

Nothing inspires great defense like the opportunity to win. And look at Larry Bird. People always complained about his defense-- which reminds me of Zeller's, solid defensive rebounding, opportunistic stops, but some man-to-man limits--but there were three years (81, 84, 86) when no team in the league could figure out how to exploit those defensive weaknesses.

I'll take championships in 2021, 2024, and 2026 if that's Zeller's upside. MKG, Biyombo, and Zeller will be just the right age for it, and the sun will be setting on guys like Lebron.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 10:08:20 AM

You know, James didn't win it all until his ninth year in the league, and he had to improve his game every year to get there. Most guys don't put in that effort.

Jordan did, and it took him seven years.

One thing Cho identified by attending those practices in Indiana was Zeller's character, his willingness to put in the work, his desire to get better, to grow beyond his limits. Maybe that's the product of growing up in basketball country with two older brothers. Do you know who else grew up in Indiana with two older brothers?

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 10:20:41 AM

Final prediction:

When the Hornets win it all, Charlotte will be the first city in history to win the Super Bowl and the NBA Championship in one year.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 10:40:53 AM

bird was nowhere near the athlete zeller is. even when his back was healthy. i mean defensively.....if zeller adds some strength (which he will with time) AND maintains his quickness/leaping ability....he's going to be an upper echelon defender at the 4. his lack of wingspan keeps him from being elite but he'll be far from jefferson defensively.

far from bird defensively too. i hope he's not far from bird offensively, but that's a lot to put on the kid this early.

the bandwagoneers that booed him draft night, do not deserve what they're going to get from him. absolutely insane.

i mean seriously........ALEX LEN?! these idiots would have cheered for alex len and they booed cody zeller. absolutely insane.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 10:45:33 AM

I would never boo any draft pick because I'm not 15 years old anymore, and far from it. Ha. But I'm still baffled by the MKG pick and he's done nothing to change my mind in thinking that was such a waste.

His ceiling is Gerald Wallace level. What did that ever get us here? A first round sweep in the playoffs, and GW was a guy we got in the expansion draft, not #2 overall. MKG has a floor that resembles Julius Hodge, and that is scary.

Posted by: Fred | Jul 16, 2013 11:10:53 AM

I wanted Barnes that night just like I wanted Klay Thompson the previous year. Walker, Thompson, Barnes, Zeller, Jefferson would have been nice, but on the flip side, you couldn't keep Walker, Thompson, Barnes, and Zeller for long. Those guys could each command over ten million a year. Golden State will have to make tough decisions down the road because they will struggle keeping all their wings and bigs and building out a roster long term.

So you deal with what you have.

Though a #2 pick shouldn't be a glue guy, you forget about where you picked MKG, and you think of him as a glue guy. Same with Biyombo. Then you make sure you don't overpay them. In that scenario, guys like Walker and Zeller become the stars on the team, and you can afford a third star you pick up in the 2014 draft or this summer in free agency.

If guys fall into their roles and Zeller, Walker, and a third option become your offensive stars, then MKG and Biyombo can focus on being defensive stoppers with Taylor as your sixth man off the bench carrying the second unit with his offense. That is a long term recipe for success. Maybe even a championship.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 12:11:48 PM

I meant, "next summer in free agency."

And, because I know someone, will say what about Henderson, I don't think Henderson will be part of the long term plan unless he 1) stays with the team this year, 2) develops a more reliable three point shot, and 3) helps the team to a record that causes us to lose our draft pick. If we keep our draft pick this year, I suspect we will find our third star to fill the starting SG spot, sliding Taylor to sixth man role. In that scenario, even if Henderson is on the team through next summer, I suspect he'll be traded. I could be wrong, he does have some fan support, and he's a solid basketball player, but I think we could find a cheaper alternative in the draft with better or similar three point shooting skills, in which case Henderson is most valuable as a trade asset.

Again, if Henderson develops as some project, how would we afford to keep him through the next contract along with Walker, Zeller, MKG, Taylor, Biyombo, new draft picks, free agents, etc.?

Something has got to give, and I think you always pay for a PG and a scoring big over wings unless the wing is a Durant, James, or Wiggins (projected) style super star. I wouldn't even pay big money to Carmelo. Once your wing falls to the Carmelo level of talent, which is pretty high, relying on him as a go-to-guy dooms your team to second round of the playoffs most years because the efficiencies aren't there. Wings have to be crazy crazy good (minimum Pierce, Allen level) for jump shooting to be as efficient and productive as what PG's give you with penetration/dishing and scoring bigs give you with close range baskets.

And if you're not one of the teams top 3 go-to options, why should the team pay you more than 5 or 6 million a year? And here's the complexity of Henderson. He is probably our third option right now, but will he be after the 2014 draft?

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 12:31:43 PM

I wanted barnes too, but i think MKG is a better fit with walker improved and with zeller on board.


julius hodge got shot and almost died. how is that even comparable? he's made RIDICULOUS amounts of money as a star player in australia that nba teams wouldn't have paid him. but he's still an nba talent. not at all comparable.


MKG's ceiling is slightly higher than rudy gay. His floor is stacy augmon. his likely hood is ron artest without the problems. We went defense with MKG over offense with barnes and the only real difference is barnes is a shooter and MKG is NOT a shooter. if he develops a jumper, he and barnes are on par. I say that as a carolina fan who seriously campaigned for barnes last june. MKG is better going to the bucket, better rebounder, better defender, better passer, better ball handler, better post up player. Barnes is an EXTREMELY better shooter. both are insane athletes/jumpers/dunkers.


you guys are looking at summer league games THIS summer like dude didn't dominate summer league last year. he's just working on his jumper this year. he's not even trying to score 30.

dude AVERAGED 18 last year. and that was on 58% from the field.


and he hasn't showed you anything? really? those 2 games of 25-5-5 just really weren't that impressive from the youngest guy in the league last year?

come on. saying MKG was a wasted pick is EQUALLY as bad as booing zeller on draft night. EXACTLY the same thing.

guarantee that when you look back at last year's draft 10 years from now........davis.....drummond......barnes.....mkg.......beal.......etc. etc. etc. nobody looks at MKG as a bad pick. Not even with drummond and barnes and lillard and all of them going after. it will look completely debatable at best.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 1:06:05 PM

as for hendo's contract.......it barely factors in. jefferson comes off the books the same year MKG would be extended and zeller would be the following year. henderson's deal will expire before zeller is up for extension. most likely at that point........henderson can be retained for around 5 a year.

using this year's 59 million cap, 71 million tax as an example......

walker ~7.5-8.5 a year (assuming he doesn't all of a sudden jump into the steph curry/ty lawson/jrue holiday/rondo level)

taylor? 5 a year (he's up after next year)
MKG - 7-8 a year (he will be a steal at this price because he will not have fully developed when he signs but early in the career he will look like a 12-max type player)
biz - 7-8 a year. same as mkg....he'll be 23 the season the extension kicks in. it will look like an absolute steal when he's 25.
zeller - let's go ahead and think worst case and say zeller plays into a max contract. he's the last one of the 6 guys to be up for an extension and like I noted henderson would already be expired unless they give him 5 years (won't happen) and jefferson will already be a year gone if not 2.

those 6 add up to 48-50 million. that would leave 20 million. even in the event that we added another big time player to the rotation AND some of these numbers were low.......there's still plenty of room to work with before we hit the tax line.


we could give henderson a 3 year deal at his max if we wanted to and we wouldn't hit the tax, nor would we have a problem extending our guys. what it would do is cost us cap room that we might need in that 3rd year. what they should do is give him more or less what he wants but front load it.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 1:19:37 PM

Your idea of giving him a front loaded contract makes a lot of sense. It would give us cap flexibility while making Henderson even more valuable in a trade down the road.

Let's not forget Houston scored Harden in a trade primarily because of OKC's cap concerns. People always say that sort of thing is impossible until it happens. Who is to say we couldn't convert Henderson on the right contract, an expiring contract or two, and a draft pick for a guy of Harden's ability?

It happened once, it'll happen again.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 2:20:12 PM

^^^^ it's happened way more than 1 time. but that's the entire reason you keep henderson. He is ALWAYS going to be a valuable trade asset.


i honestly think this group we have can contend. I think it's far more likely that we find the stars we're looking for on our roster.


walker/hendo/mkg/zeller/biz is going to be something. I hope we keep that group together more so than put a bunch of guys together in a trade to bring in a star who is near 30 now and we get 3 or 4 good years out of him.

much rather build with the guys we have now and suffer for a year or 2 more and then have a 10-15 year run with the same guys contending.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 3:01:37 PM

Who says the star we identify has to be 30? Harden wasn't. It could be Paul George or whoever. Point is would you really rather build with the guys you have if you get the chance of having Paul George or Harden or other young guys like that in exchange for Henderson and a pick? Because if your answer is yes, then there's too much sentimentality involved. You don't go with old time sake unless there's history. Like if you've won a championship, then you keep a couple guys around just for the good vibes.

The only good vibe we have to preserve is the sound of hornets buzzing. I say, when they arrive, you want the best bunch of players you can have. Of course with the priority on younger ones. If they're the best young ones you can get.

Once you win a championship, then get sentimental.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 3:34:29 PM

you're missing my point. i'm saying probability wise, it's more likely. harden had to want to go to houston also. if he had said "no i won't sign an extension in houston" no deal.

paul george is not going anywhere. not unless it's part of a big trade that he forces dwight howard style which I highly doubt he does. they'll give him the max deal. he can sign offer sheets wherever he wants but indiana is going to match. he's smarter NOT to sign an offer sheet and sign the 5 year max deal with indiana.


salary dumps like rudy gay, james harden (technically a salary dump), joe johnson, etc. pop up every year. but only 1 team lands that guy and you can't exactly plan on it happening. and MOST of the time that guy isn't a 22 year old stud with playoff experience. usually it's a 29-31 year old who has hit his ceiling and his team has decided to rebuild or replace him in a more cost effective manner.

i'm not saying you WOULDN'T do a deal like that. that answer is obvious assuming it's for a guy like a harden. I've actually made the comment that signing jefferson gave away our ability to make a big move like that this year (and I think this is the year guys would get given away for nothing because of the higher luxury taxes).

I'm only saying that it's far more likely this team reaches success with the guys on the roster growing up together and learning to play together, than we do with a patchwork group from some monster trades and free agent signings.

that's all i'm saying.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2013 4:15:31 PM

If you're saying that continuity has value, then I totally agree with you. That doesn't mean you have to keep every guy on the team, but I would love to see them keep a core (whoever that turns out to be) and a coaching staff for a decade. Sloan used to talk about the value of guys playing together for a long time, getting to know each other's needs.

And never was there a better example of that than with Stockton and Malone. Stockton really wasn't impressive until his fourth year, but they both got better every year they played together. Same can be said about the guys who played around them. The two years they made it to the Finals, they had Stockton and Malone, an aging Hornacek, and a bunch of role players, but the team continuity made those appearances possible. Guys played off each other like the hands on a clock. It was a beautiful thing.

So continuity has some value, I can agree with that.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2013 4:27:47 PM

Hey Thomas and Skippy....how bout you guys rank our players based on intelligence? What do you think?

I just think Zeller seems like a very smart guy with an extremely high basketball IQ.

Do you feel otherwise? Are you suggesting he is stupid?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 16, 2013 9:55:35 PM

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