October 19, 2013
Charlotte Bobcats guard Ben Gordon out a week after a knee procedure
GREENSBORO -- Charlotte Bobcats guard Ben Gordon will miss the team’s remaining two preseason exhibitions while recovering from a procedure to relieve soreness in his right knee.
Gordon flew to Phoenix for the procedure, which will require at least a week of recovery time, coach Steve Clifford said before Saturday’s matchup with the Dallas Mavericks. That effectively shuts down Gordon for Thursday’s home game against the Cleveland Cavaliers and the game Friday against the New York Knicks in Madison Square Garden.
Gordon, entering his tenth NBA season, has been the Bobcats’ second-leading scorer this preseason, averaging 10.4 points. He’s coming off a 22-point game three days ago against the Philadelphia 76ers.
Clifford said he did not anticipate Gordon’s knee soreness to be a significant concern. Gordon is in the final season of his currently contract, making $13.2 million.
Posted by Observer Sports on October 19, 2013 at 06:23 PM | Permalink
If he plays more than 15 minutes per game, and lasts past the trade deadline, it's not for the good of the franchise.
that said, i hope he scores 40 points a game for the first 10 games of the season and we find a great trade for him immediately after.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 19, 2013 7:44:35 PM
what is deal with Henderson? just asking going by box score past few games. Missing free throws... just looks off. Based on numbers anyway.
Team FT% is not been to good understand will be skewed cause of Biz but ,wow.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Oct 19, 2013 9:25:10 PM
skewed because of biz? he's shooting 67% this preseason. and the team was 76% from the line tonight. 72% against philly. worst of the 6 was 69%.
and for all the people that called me ludicrous to suggest that zeller could play some 3 (when pointing out that we didn't need another 3 behind mkg/taylor when we brought southerland in instead of curry)........
zeller played some 3 tonight. so yeah. that happened.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 19, 2013 11:35:41 PM
charlottean, when did that happen?
I checked the box score and the play-by-play.
The Cats used four guards tonight (Kemba, Hendo, Sessions and Pargo), who fully covered the 96 minutes of both two guard positions.
MKG and Jeff Taylor fully covered the 48 minutes at small forward.
There were 96 minutes at center plus power forward, which had been fully covered by Biyombo, Josh McR., Cody and Tolliver.
So, Cody Zeller played power forward (which he should at NBA level) and center too (like he did in college) - while at SF we had all the time either MKG or Taylor.
Quite predictable, in Jefferson's and Haywood's absence.
More specifically, early in the second quarter, then late in the third quarter and again, in the fourth quarter, Cody replaced Biyombo at center, and played together with Josh (who was the starting power forward).
I don't remember calling you any names on this issue, but I certainly disagreed on the need or usefulness of playing Cody at 3 (unless the injury bug will bite very, very deep into the roster).
I take no pleasure in arguing with you (as you should know by now). Just being factual.
(I have a guess as to where your mistake came from, but I see no need to push this any farther now).
Posted by: Sandy | Oct 20, 2013 1:19:24 AM
I know it's preseason, but I was hoping for more improvement from this team. Other than the Philly game, not very impressed with how they have played. What is going on with Henderson? He is a slow starter, but this it ridiculous.
Posted by: James | Oct 20, 2013 5:53:56 AM
Charlottean I am going to let this go.... since I posted my comment WELL before the game was over , time stamp doesn't indicate an accurate time of when I last checked the box score. Or that I did a breakdown of all past preseason games! Just a question to anybody who had any info... didn't expect to be challenged on my accuracy!!
AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY FIRST FKING QUESTION(Henderson)!!!!!!
Yes Biz has been awesome. This preseason I think i said that somewhere in the past week! I still have not looked at final box score. Thanks
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Oct 20, 2013 8:22:20 AM
How do you not go get another center? They have one true center at the moment and he is undersized. Haywood is basically done, you need another body. Hopefully they are waiting for some roster turnover some where, but other teams pick up players all the time.
Posted by: Mike T. | Oct 20, 2013 8:34:12 AM
Where's David Falk when you need him?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 20, 2013 10:07:31 AM
^^^Heehee. This dude was fired by the Bobcats.
Posted by: Steve | Oct 20, 2013 11:31:32 AM
So that is where the animosity comes from. You would think his time would be better spent elsewhere, but maybe it is part of the healing process.
Posted by: Mike T. | Oct 20, 2013 3:10:13 PM
was little harsh first thing this morning forgive me.
All i was saying was saw Biyombos 2 misses at FT and was giving a pass on those whch would skew the numbers. Anyway me personally there has been too many misses outside of Biz. Percentage doesnt show it.. Guess it is just irritating(peev) doesnt mean alot now just certain players you expect them to make those shots and seems its alot of make and miss that shouldnt be. It becomes a trend. all IMO.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Oct 20, 2013 6:41:23 PM
egg on my face sandy....i typed that around the beginning of the second quarter and the box score showed biz, mcroberts, and zeller having overlapping minutes in the first quarter.
something in the vein of biz playing 10 minutes and zeller and mcroberts each playing 8. clearly not an accurate or correctly up to date time keeping.
not the way it went at all. so it remains to be seen. for clarity sakes - i never made the argument that he was going to play the 3 regularly, i made the comment that he COULD in arguing the lack of need for a 3rd small forward. same was said about henderson AND tolliver. and he can. which is why southerland isn't even remotely getting a look. and mkg and taylor SHOULD be holding down 48 mpg at the 3, with OR without gordon.
stern - i hear you on the early box score check....did the same thing myself obviously. as for henderson, he looked over aggressive the first 2 games.....since then.....i assume more of the same but haven't seen much given they haven't been televised and limited clips. this is his 4th coach in 5 years. that can not be fun to deal with EVERY summer. 5 in 6 years if you count K.
mike - please don't call biz undersized. dwight howard is the same height, slightly less reach and NOBODY calls howard undersized. only in charlotte is biz an undersized center. that said, we should definitely be giving a young guy a look if jefferson will miss any time, but it doesn't appear that way. al said he would probably be ready for the season opener so.....no real need.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 20, 2013 10:32:40 PM
yea this preseason crap is such a tease.
Henderson yea that makes since, im sure he'll come around just curios though.
Posted by: David Stern has to go!! | Oct 20, 2013 11:12:09 PM
Same size as Dwight Howard? I would recommend going a game live. Howard is taller and bigger. If Biz stands behind him, he completely disappears. Not sure what they are listed at, but Howard is definitely bigger without a doubt. A couple of inches taller and heavier as well.
Posted by: Mike T. | Oct 21, 2013 6:16:07 AM
I would recommend asking dwight howard who he himself admitted to being 6'9. I too, would recommend going to a game live.....howard has more mass than biz......BECAUSE HE'S EFFING 7 YEARS OLDER.
they have the same standing reach and the height is within a quarter of an inch.
but yeah.....who needs facts and measurements and such. that stuff is completely meaningless right?
i mean it's not like biz has a standing reach of 4 inches more than joakim noah right? oh wait he does?! oh. an inch more than andrew bogut? more than alex len? more than nerlens noel? more than tyson chandler?
the only guys that have more are like javale mcgee, deandre jordan, brook lopez, i think that's it.
and you might want to look at strength and body fat %'s to see how that weight measures out. biz is an absolute supreme athlete to most nba centers. skills, he's inferior to most, no doubt. but he's also as young as the alex len's and a few years younger than georgui deng.
the guy could be an absolute monster at age 25 if he continues to work the way he does and if the coach actually starts to like him.
or he could be out of the league in a few years.
but it's not because he's "undersized".
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 21, 2013 9:36:11 AM
You make that call to Falk's office yet? Little bit o' facial egg there too ;)
Hey, get your free BOOBcats t-shirt on opening night -- great!
When does this team win a playoff series? What year?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 21, 2013 11:07:15 AM
Hey, get your walking papers because you were fired from the "Boobcats" staff --
Yes! That's why I constantly type and read a team blog that I love to ridicule!
When does NASCAR stop posting useless comments filled with his same old tired lines for everything? (Boobcats, Air Minimum, Cho & Co) What year?
Posted by: D.W.G. | Oct 21, 2013 12:43:37 PM
^^^Man are you right. Could you imagine working with or trying to have a productive conversation with this NASTAR person? Those poor people that he worked with. At least they seem to be a better business since he left. Classic addition by subtraction. Productivity had to increase the minute he was shown the door.
Posted by: Steve | Oct 21, 2013 4:00:50 PM
So let me get this straight. Howard is 2 iniches shorter than he is listed, but Biz is the exact size he is listed at? The chances of Howard not being taller than Biz are about the same as Zeller playing the 3 the other night. Leave the basement and go to a game. You actually might be able to tell from the game next Wednesday. DVR the game. Slow it down. Pause it. Look carefully. Maybe Biz will grow. But Howard is T a l l er.
Wow are you sensitive. Stop making ridiculous comments about games you didn't even see and you won't have to be so defensive.
I asked Howard. He said Zeller won't be playing the 3 either.
Posted by: Mike T | Oct 21, 2013 4:10:06 PM
^^^ Mike T all the slurpers think Kemba's over 6' too...
At least Biz moved up to 4th in the rotation now that Haywood is out (assumes they don't bring in another big man). Biz is a classy young man (of undetermined age) but Air Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho have put him in a very tough position by drafting him in the 1st round -- unlikely he ever justifies the pick.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 21, 2013 5:28:40 PM
I guess Biz could be all the way up to 3rd depending on Jefferson's availability?
Heck, if McRoberts tweaks that turf toe Biz
moves right into a starting role -- awesome!!
MJ better put a call into David Falk to line up some potential replacements!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 21, 2013 5:40:31 PM
dude of all the people to accuse of not having been to a game, i'm not the one. I've seen more nba arenas than you can name.
biz measured at just under 6-9 at the COMBINE, live on nbatv. just like howard measured 6-9 at the combine. howard admitted LAST WEEK in an interview after the above linked photo shoot that he was actually 6-9 (we're talking without shoes). listed heights are always inflated. they have been forever as referenced in the same article when talking about olajuwon who is really 6-10 even though he was listed as tall as 7-2 in his playing days (and no, he hasn't shrunk THAT much yet, you can ask him - he was never 7'2). draftexpress lists all recorded combine results, or you can check the nba's database. these are facts, not rumors.
but yeah.....sure....keep believing what you want. the 2 of them have stood side by side on numerous occassions. howard dwarfed him in muscle mass, but not height. and that's because you're talking about a 7 year age gap. a kid vs. a grown a man.
i didn't say zeller WOULD play the 3, i said he COULD. dirk has done it, jan vesely has done it, kirilenko, jonathan bender, al harrington, toni kukoc, andrea bargani, anthony tolliver (also mentioned in that argument) etc etc etc all similarly sized and skilled players as zeller. those guys would be called stretch 4's by today's standards. the argument surrounded a need for the 15th roster spot going to a 3 because we "only" had mkg and taylor on the roster. my argument was that hendo, zeller and tolliver could all play the 3 in small doses if one of the 2 guys got hurt. and he absolutely played from the wing in 4 around 1 fashion in summerleague.
i saw a box score that showed incorrect minute stats and jumped to a conclusion i shouldn't have. egg on my face for that one. game wasn't televised.
doesn't change biz or dwight howard's combine measurements at all. watch howard next to asik all year and tell me he's asik's height or even close.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 22, 2013 10:29:15 AM
nastar by 3rd in the rotation you meant starting at center right?
because.....that IS what he has been and will be doing anytime jefferson is out. and probably will continue in 2-3 years when jefferson moves on.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 22, 2013 10:32:07 AM
No I mean 5th in the rotation of the "bigs" as you all so fondly like to call them. Zeller, Jefferson, Haywood and McRoberts...then Biz. Hell if this guy O'Bryant makes the roster Biz drops to 6th (assuming everyone is healthy).
PS...Falk client list here, none named Jordan: https://hoopshype.com/agents/david_falk.htm
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 22, 2013 2:39:11 PM
we've gone over this.....it's obviously AGAINST the nba bilaws for falk to be representing jordan because of his ownership position.
but you're delusional if you think jordan isn't calling on falk to do deals for him. hanes isn't calling jordan direct. and if polk is handling all that, bet that falk is getting a %.
and no biz was never behind haywood on any depth chart and you can't be 3rd and be starting. have to be 1 or 2 in that scenario. he's very clearly behind jefferson and nobody else. barring injury, you won't see anyone else play center for the bobcats this year or next. but yeah....keep living in fantasy land dude.
the one where thomas doesn't get amnestied and cho has no say in personnel (zeller?) and a jordan would never spend necessary to get a free agent (like overpaying jefferson?).....i mean keep rolling out the fantasy ish.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 22, 2013 10:09:58 PM
Falk does not represent Jordan in any capacity, period. You're gonna figure out I'm right, it's just a matter of when. All that stuff runs through Curtis Polk now.
It's true, I didn't think MJ would ever amnesty Tyrus...and when he did I came right out and admitted I was wrong. You must have missed that. Nobody is right 100% but my batting average is way better than 100% of the slurpers! (and you can thank me for the amnesty, they were embarrassed by the criticisms of a former employee, knew I was right)
Cho has input, but by no means does he have any sort of real "control" -- you already know this.
You're making up the free agent spending stuff...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 22, 2013 10:38:05 PM
i know what i know and unfortunately can't just put it out there. think about my track record on these types of conversations.
i don't recall you "admitting" about thomas but it was insane that you didn't think it was possible. when jeff adrien took his role, that was it. when the minimum trumps the 8 million a year man, you go ahead and cut your losses.
and i don't know what i'm making up about free agent spending.....they overpaid jefferson and gave him 41.5 million over 3 years. they took on an added year of ben gordon to get a draft pick. he's not being cheap at all. you're mad he's under the tax line, but he SHOULD be. there's no reason to spend during years when you aren't ready to compete. under the new rules that only impedes your ability to compete later when you ARE ready. you can't be over the tax every year like you used to. I can't recall the specifics but i think it's 3 out of every 5 years or something. so brooklyn is staring down suicide. they're already over the tax line next year with only 10 guys under contract and that's assuming they get blatch and kirilenko to re-up. if they don't, they have to replace them with minimum contract players and they're STILL over the tax.
they have 62 million committed in 15/16 to 3 players (johnson, williams, lopez). that's not a winning formula. they have a very very very long shot THIS year and they have zero chance next year and even less the following. they might be a lottery team paying the super tax in 15/16. there's nothing intelligent about what king is doing there except for maybe the hiring of kidd/frank as coaches. they'll finish 3rd or 4th in the east and then get dogged in round 1 or 2 depending on the match ups. and probably by indiana who definitely isn't paying the tax this year or next year or the next unless it's BARELY over to keep a championship team in tact. and they really don't need to. they have a contender now and they can bring that contender back next year with no problems for around 68 million.
they're at 71.4/71.7 right now with 2 veteran contracts that aren't guaranteed taking up over 2.4 million. plus expiring danny granger that they could dump with cash on someone if needed. they aren't paying the tax.
yeah you aren't batting 1.000....you're in the dan uggla zone right now.
Posted by: charlottean | Oct 23, 2013 11:16:30 AM
Dude, call the office manager and ask her, she'll tell ya...trust me. I dare you to produce any sort of document from the last 5 years that says Falk represented His Minimumness on a deal at the time...can you?
I didn't think it was "probable" -- BIG difference from "possible". You can rest assured that I'm trained to consider all the options and I honestly believe Air Minimum had no intention of amnestying Tyrus or adopting the old Hornets name, but the cacophony became intolerable, no thanks to you slurpers!
You are welcome.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Oct 23, 2013 11:44:58 PM
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