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November 26, 2013

Bobcats post-game: Crash explains, Jefferson heals and Biz is still sitting

Some post-game thoughts on a game against the Celtics when the Bobcats lost touch with who they are:

            -- The Bobcats got to 7-7 because they owned their weaknesses. This team is so limited offensively that it must defend efficiently, must limit turnovers and must outscore the other team at the foul line. They were deficient in two of three areas Monday, with too few free-throw attempts (20) and too many turnovers (17).

This is what coaches call a “teachable moment.” If I were Steve Clifford, I’d spend a lot of time Tuesday showing video to the players how they renounced the identity they were building.

            -- There are a lot of theories out there why the Bobcats have played better on the road than at home. Yeah, maybe it’s partially about who they’ve played on the road versus who they’ve played at home. But players – particularly veterans – are intuitive about these things, and I found what center Al Jefferson said insightful:

            “I don’t know what’s happening at home. It’s not the same energy. I never heard of that,” Jefferson said.

            -- Speaking of Jefferson, he volunteered that he felt better tonight than at any time since initially hurting his right ankle in the second exhibition against the Miami Heat. Jefferson says he now can run pretty much normally, but doesn’t yet jump quite as well.

            -- I asked Gerald Wallace what the Celtics did to take away the Bobcats’ preferred sets. (Remember, the Bobcats led end-to-end in the previous game in Boston). Gerald said beating the Bobcats is about limiting Kemba Walker’s trips to the rim and keeping Jefferson away from his favorite post-up spots. Translation: Who else scares you offensively?

            -- Speaking of Wallace, I asked him if he’s receptive to the Bobcats retiring his jersey someday. He replied of course, then asked me if I knew something he didn’t.

            No. I’m thinking the first retired jersey at Time Warner Cable Arena will be the one the Bobcats inherit from New Orleans in the deceased Bobby Phills.

            But Wallace should be the first true Bobcat so honored. He’s every bit as iconic to the Bobcats’ beginnings as Sam Mills was to the Panthers’ early seasons. I was just curious if Gerald cared, since he’s still miffed how little warning he was given when they shipped him to Portland.

            -- Bismack Biyombo has now gone “Did Not Play – coach’s decision” twice in three games with five minutes of garbage time in-between in Milwaukee. Some thoughts:

            Clifford has established he’s going to play whoever he believes gives him the best chance to win, regardless of where a player was drafted or how much money he makes (see: Ben Gordon).  Does Jeff Adrien have more potential than Biyombo? Nope. But the real question is whether Biz will overcome his deficiencies to deserve 20 to 25 minutes a game.

            I bet when/if Biz gets back into the rotation, he’s a better player, if only because he’ll have seen how close he is to being on the street, looking for a new NBA gig.

            -- And speaking of Bobcats lottery picks, three of the last four – Biz, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Cody Zeller – aren’t doing much. Based on my twitter reactions, fans question whether Clifford has offered these guys enough minutes.

            I wonder this: The Bobcats front office (all the derivations) has been decent acquiring veterans and shaky with draft picks. Adam Morrison was a disaster and Sean May washed out of the league. Meanwhile they got a starter (Josh McRoberts) for nothing, Ramon Sessions has been cost-effective and Jefferson could prove to be a coup.

            Makes me wonder: As rich as the 2014 draft is portrayed, are you so sure the Bobcats would mine it well?

Posted by Observer Sports on November 26, 2013 at 12:35 AM | Permalink

Comments

Retiring Wallace's jersey? A one time All Star who let the Bobcats to zero post season W's. That's really a high bar Rick... And the comp to Mills is comically bad. The Hornets are best served trying to make pretend the Bobcats never existed.

Posted by: Flynn | Nov 26, 2013 7:15:59 AM

That second unit was horrible last night. Every time they came into the game any momentum vanished. It is funny how they are 2 different teams when Kemba is not on the court. May not be the perfect point gaurd, but the team is definitely better with him on the floor. I have no idea what Sessions was doing last night. When teams take away his driving he is lost. Very one dimnesional player.

Posted by: David | Nov 26, 2013 8:02:27 AM

Something about Time Warner Cable Arena is not right (and this is coming from someone who is not comparing it to the old Tyvola Coliseum - so spare me that). I think the mascots, hosts, announcers and production are pretty amateur - which maybe makes the team play more amateur. A lot of NBA is about bravado, and this place has none.

Posted by: on_and_on | Nov 26, 2013 8:47:13 AM

I usually agree with a lot you have to say Rick, but I'm going to have to agree with Flynn 100%. He has done nothing to deserve to have his jersey retired and please do not make the comparison to Sam Mills. That is borderline disrespectful.

Posted by: Chris | Nov 26, 2013 8:53:30 AM

The offense doesn't seem to fit the 2nd unit personnel. With no Jefferson you can't run post offense to Biz. I think they need to run more through Zeller, but I don't think Ramon is the right PG to do that. Ramon has a drive first mentality, and doesn't really run the offense. This may sound crazy but I think they should put Taylor as starting SG and move Hendo to 6th man. Henderson would do well with the 2nd unit where he can work the post. Zeller needs to shot a lot more, 10 times a game at least. He passes as soon as he gets the ball, like he's scared or something.

Posted by: Pradigy | Nov 26, 2013 9:13:01 AM

What did Sam Mills do as a player? It's funny how many people hold him in such a high place, yet he didn't do much of anything on the field.

Posted by: Who? | Nov 26, 2013 9:39:10 AM

What is wrong with Zeller ....he looks lost, confused, just plain terrible!!I agree, Kid, Biz, & Zeller don't show much and that should be a condern

Posted by: Al | Nov 26, 2013 9:42:39 AM

couldn't agree with on_and_on more...growing up going to Charlotte Hornets games I remember the experience as much as the basketball. Laser light shows, pyrotechnics, super hugo, the hugo blimp flying around dropping prizes, dude with the big foam brick behind the basket during opponent FT attempts, the big guy doing back flips baseline-to-baseline, the PA guy shouting "kellyyyyy tri-puuuuuuuuuuuu-ka"....

these antics alone won't pack the house (winning is still number 1) but they do make for an exciting and entertaining event. the bobcats don't seem to have captured that energy. bringing the showmanship - or bravado - back can only help in bringing back "the buzz"

Posted by: lee | Nov 26, 2013 9:46:31 AM

1st no way Wallace deserves that. If so bar is way to low.

Observations:
-Coach is going with some different mixes out there and the team sucks each and every time the starting team comes off the floor.
- How bad are we at picking draft picks when the highest two at #9 and 1st of 2nd round we feel the best about. They moved up for Biz and don't even play him. I hate to say it but then trade him and get something. Adrien is not better long term. As for Cody the boy is just plain lost out there.
- The starting 5 looks great together. MKG groves right in Kemba works perfect and love McBob and Jefferson.
- Ok sick of the love for Sessions. He turnsover like crazy. he goes head down and just drives to basket. If he doesn't get the call he still only makes shot 1/3rd of time it seems.

If we make the playoffs its only because every team but 4 in the east tank for draft. Which looks to be already playing out.

The crowd and energy vs past few years was polar opposite. I saw almost no green or cheers anywhere.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 26, 2013 9:47:41 AM

MKg needs more minutes he's getting 25 minutes a game he needs 33 to 35 minutes a game...it's funny when he goes out of the game the other team goes on a run....

Posted by: shane | Nov 26, 2013 10:13:40 AM

I've been a Bobcats STH since the beginning - and Gerald WAS this team for many years. He is the guy who worked hard and became somebody in the league. And if memory serves, he was our first and only All-star. I don't get the negative sentiment on here.

Posted by: GWfan | Nov 26, 2013 10:27:55 AM

Sessions was awful last night. I heard Coach Clifford state the the +/- rating when Adrien was in the game was very high and he want's to se if that can continue. Well last night he was -9. I understand his reasoning but Jeff Adrien is not the answer. Biz would have given us a better chance last night.

Posted by: NUCAT | Nov 26, 2013 10:40:37 AM

1. Sessions was terrible. He doesn't pass -- just puts his head down, drives, and misses.

2. I like what Coach Cliff has done so far this year, but I have to call him out for last night. The starters worked hard to make it a 2 point game at the end of 3d qtr. Then Cliff puts in a lineup to start the 4th that had scored a COMBINED 16 points in the game to that point. Big surprise that we couldn't score (see No. 1 above), the Celtics went on a run, and we were down 10+ again. Never recovered from it. It does not have to be an unbreakable rule that your starters sit at the start of the 4th quarter -- last night, the team that ended the 3d qtr on a run should have started the 4th qtr to keep the run going.

3. Never thought I'd hear so many fans in the stands begging for Biz to be put in the game. Have to say I was one of them.

Posted by: CltHorncats | Nov 26, 2013 11:01:35 AM

Loot at the +/- rating from last night's game. You'll see the Boston bench completely dominated us. Our starters played quite well but for some reason Coach would not play MKG. Only 17 minutes? We lost the game in the 2nd quarter that consisted of both Adrien and Tolliver in almost the entire quarter. Hard to do much when 2/5 of your lineup is offensively inept. Tolliver in for D? Walllace took him to school all quarter. As far the atmosphere at the arena, NONE! Last night's crowd seemed to be completely out of the game. I am a season ticket holder, so I can partially blame myself but wow there was no energy. Hopefully Clifford can get his rotation squared away and hopefully we have some energy in the building these next 2 home games!

Posted by: Fraser | Nov 26, 2013 11:08:11 AM

It was a Monday game against a bad Celtics team. I understand why the crowd was a bit off. The days of crazy cheers for nothing more than showing up are long gone. Pro sports are no longer a big deal.

Posted by: Go Cats! | Nov 26, 2013 11:23:56 AM

MKG isn't getting minutes and he has looked pretty darn good this year in my mind. Defense has been superb and when he get's minutes he is 10 points 7 rebound sorta guy. Jefferson had 1 if I recall last night till near the end of the game.

Love Gerald so I wasn't dogging him. It's just growing up a retired jersey in the rafters was for top guys in the sport.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 26, 2013 11:35:14 AM

I have had season tickets for 6 years. The game environment has become much much better. It was horrible when Johnson owned the team. I was happy last night that the Pro Celtics crowd was down this year. There was even more Bobcats fans than Heat fans for that game this year. So far the team just has not given the crowd much to cheer about at home. When we played Cleveland down to the wire, the fans were into it. Last night we never seemed to be in the game. If we play well Wed. against the Pacers, there will be a difference.

Posted by: David | Nov 26, 2013 11:41:04 AM

MKG didn't get minutes last night bc he got 3 fouls in a minute and a half. Granted one was a bad call where he didn't touch the guy, Taylor did. He had to sit the rest of the 2nd.

I agree with hanging Gerald's jersey. Wait a couple years after he retires, nice thing to do for a guy who carried us for years. Doesn't hurt anybody

Posted by: Spaceman mike | Nov 26, 2013 11:46:49 AM

Whoever the user Who? is I know this is Bobcats and basketball but the guy questioning Sam Mills as a player needs to do some research before he starts talking. 5 time Pro Ball selection and 4 time NFL All Pro in 12 seasons. Not to mention all the off field inspiration with his bout with cancer. Come on, use google now.

Posted by: EP | Nov 26, 2013 12:04:18 PM

GWfan, the slurpers are consumed with Air Min, Yes Co. & Cho...and The Plan.

The first and foremost move of The Plan was jettisoning Gerald Wallce -- so, Gerald must be bad.

In fact, Gerald eagerly came to an expansion franchise, busted hit butt (literally) day-in day-out, game-in game-out, embraced the city, and gave the fans his unqualified love and support, and the fans** reciprocated.

Despite horrid ownership/management, he was the leader of a group of guys who took this franchise from NOTHING, to a playoff berth...

...and for what?

So the coach could lie to him about not being traded and then Michael Jordan didn't have the balls or respect to personally speak with the best player in franchise history and let him know he was gone -- instead he sent Higgins. Then Jordan proceeded to take a playoff franchise to an all-time NBA worst season 2 years later...

...yet, the slurpers love Michael, and hate Gerald...

...yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

**Consclusion: we don't have "fans" anymore, we have slurpers/sycophants.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 12:07:49 PM

BTW Bonnell, nice column...that's two good ones in a reasonably short period of time!

Keep the pressure on, it's the only way to drive change...and we certainly need a heap o' that!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 12:12:01 PM

Gerald Wallace deserves to have his jersey retired by his organization. When only us true fans were going to the games and and the bobcats where horrible Gerald gave his 100% every night. He was the heart and soul of this franchise.

Retiring jersey doesnt say he is a hall of famer or anything like that, its about showing respect to the best player you had so far because as much as some want to pretend it didnt the Bobcats era existed and there are some of us who care more about it and the Charlotte name on the jersery then reliving the past w/ the Hornets again.

Posted by: Toriano | Nov 26, 2013 12:29:52 PM

clifford coaching like we are in win-now mode is absolutely horrible. there's no logical explanation for MKG playing less than 20 mpg and biz not playing at all.

both of them have been 2 of the most effective players thus far this season. and they're your energy guys. clifford made the comment that because we were playing from behind he went with a more offensive unit to try and catch up. problem was........it was the defensive leaks that got us behind. it was the strong defense that was building the leads. it was the defense that converted to transition offense that was giving us points.

what did we give up 34 points in the paint? to boston? interior defense wasn't a problem needing addressing?


just because we're being handed an 8 seed does not mean you abandon player development. we're going to get that 8 seed with biz and MKG just as if we're going to get it with them benched. they aren't going to give miami a first round bye and tell us to stay home. we'll get that 35 win playoff birth just as good as the 41 win playoff birth.

but the one where adrien and sessions and jefferson are eating up valuable development minutes is going to bite the franchise in the A.

we're talking about biz like he isn't converting 65% from the field and averaging career lows in turnovers and career highs in rebounds per 36. his usage rate is DOWN and his scoring is still the same.

you see improvement like THAT out of a 21 year old........and you bench him for the 27 going on 28 year old smaller guy who is giving you THE SAME PRODUCTION?!


this is bad. they fired dunlap for doing exactly what they asked him to do. are they going to give clifford an extension now, or are they going to wait until he leads us to 3 straight 8 seeds?

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 12:44:57 PM

HOOORAAY for Toriano!!

clttn, your fixation with age is completely obfuscating any slim chance at understanding the reality of it...

...they keep score for a reason.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 12:50:10 PM

and bonnell.......the entire point of this year's draft class is that you can't go wrong in the top 5.

we don't have a horrible draft track record, we have a horrible track record developing talent. we do well with the already developed. gerald wallace is the only young guy we "developed" but he was already what? 23 or something by the time he got here.

the chances of us landing talent in the top 5 are way greater than they are in the 20's which is where we're going to be picking with portland's pick. awesome. and we'll watch orlando, philly, milwaukee, cleveland, detroit just leap frog us to contention when they land guys like exum, wiggins, parker, smart, randle, etc.


and then we'll watch biz and mkg get traded to those teams for some BS veterans to bolster our "playoff run".


they just effed with me by acting like they were going to actually rebuild through the draft the right way. they effed with me starting the year playing the guys we needed to play (and winning the games we should have won mind you) and now that they're what? 2-4 with jefferson on the floor and biz off? with the wins being boston and milwaukee?

come on this is disgraceful. this trend continues i'm going to start sounding a lot like nastar talking about air minimumness or whatever he calls the dude.

rich cho was so close to credibility. he should be WALKING OUT RIGHT NOW. look at utah.......sitting your young talent behind veterans DOES NOT WORK.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 12:51:53 PM

Re: Who?
Sam Mills broke Dion Sanders face during a key playoff game and led us to the win and to the Super Bowl. It was a signature accomplishment. He was a team leader during that remarkable season. The man deserves a statue. You must not have lived here during that time if you don't remember his on field accomplishments.

Posted by: SamMills@gmail.com | Nov 26, 2013 12:56:35 PM

fixation with age?

50 year olds don't play for a reason. 28 year olds don't get better. 21 year olds do. if the 20 and 21 year old are good enough to play large roles in 5-4, why would you reduce their roles and watch the team go 2-4?

both guys are elite defenders. defense wins. both guys are converting at a very high rate on the few shots they take. both guys are energy guys who bring intangibles.

best of all.........both are under contract next year. adrien is just playing his way into a deal with the knicks next year. why would you invest in THAT?! minutes are investments.

mkg is under contract next year and the following and then the year after that he's a freaking restricted free agent. you invest in THAT. not in anthony tolliver.


they're keeping score. the score i see is............WE AREN'T WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH JEFFERSON/ADRIEN/TOLLIVER/SESSIONS SO WHAT THE EFF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 12:57:12 PM

I lived here the entire time. I had season tickets for the kitty cats all the way up until the got Cam, then I left that team behind. Sam Mills was in no way deserving of a statue or any special mention. Someone above pointed out he was a four time All-Pro. SO WHAT? He fought cancer? SO WHAT? Lots of players do, none get their jerseys retired as a result. Sam got a statue because Jerry Richardson thought it would add something special to a young team. Had we been established, he would have gotten nothing but a newspaper article.

Posted by: Who? | Nov 26, 2013 1:05:06 PM

As the season goes, opposing teams will continue to identify and exploit our offensive limits. There are many. On the flip side, I'm pleased to see our defense looks strong even with, and maybe especially, with Jefferson on the floor. I think he's already shown he can play solid defense with the right personnel on the floor.

So what's our wish list to get this offense corrected?

First, while I like Sessions in some respects, I agree he's not the right backup pg for this team. We need to let Sessions go and draft a big pg to play off the bench. Someone who can initiate offense for bigs in the post and hit some open threes. We should be able to identify someone like this in the draft.

Two, we need better three point shooting. This is huge. Right now guys with open threes in late game situations where we are behind are opting to take it in for midrange shots. Even when people take threes, they are missing way too many. Just hard, if not impossible, to win in the modern NBA against good defenses without some three ball. We should be able to target some three point shooting in the middle of the first round of the draft.

So the big question is can we get it done with a better backup PG, growth from guys like Zeller, and better three point shooting or do we also need that go to scorer? If we do, perhaps we could target him with our cap space, but I don't know there'll be someone out there worth it to us this summer. Probably better to go with baby steps. Let Sessions walk, draft a big three point shooting backup pg from the draft, add an additional three point shooter from the draft, shift Taylor into the starting lineup, especially if he continues to improve his three point shooting, move Henderson to sixth man in the second unit alongside the new three point shooting pg, an improved Zeller, Biyombo, and another three point shooter from draft at the small forward.

So starting team would like this:

PG-Walker
SG-Taylor
SF-MKG
PF-McRoberts
C-Jefferson

With a bench like this:

PG-draft pickup
SG-Henderson
SF-draft pickup
F-Zeller
C-Biyombo

In a second unit with a three point shooting pg getting him the ball in the right places, and creating better spacing, Zeller should turn into a solid scorer, and this team should be competitive enough to get a high seed in the eastern conference and maybe win the first round in the playoffs. After that, we might need to spend some money on a free agent scorer in 2015.

Posted by: Jeff | Nov 26, 2013 1:09:51 PM

Only thing that needs to change is NASTARS tired tired act. Beyond weak. From the looks of it, if you don't post negative comment after negative comment and live on the internet full time, you are a Slurper?

Posted by: Realist | Nov 26, 2013 1:12:05 PM

No one hates Gerald Wallace. The way he was treated at the end certainly could've been handled better but I think the trade was necessary, especially in light of GWs production since (last night notwithstanding).

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 26, 2013 1:13:07 PM

when people put sam mills on a "greatest panthers of all time" lineup.....i want to vomit.


but a statue? i think he was deserving. the dude created the identity for a young franchise/city. he wasn't just a player, he was also a coach that was a big part of the turnaround at the beginning of the fox era.

bobby phills got his jersey retired after dying in a car crash that was his own fault. and he was far from accomplished. he was a SOLID player and upper echelon defender and good 3 pt shooter. his jersey was retired IMMEDIATELY as a way to deal with the death. sam mills statue and jersey being retired had way more to do with a lasting legacy he created and deserved.

and again......."all time panther list" do not list that dude at linebacker. morgan, beason, and now kuechly all more deserving based on impact HERE. in THAT order.


wallace could get a bobcats jersey retired......but they should do it ON OPENING NIGHT with whatever team he's playing for (presumably boston) playing in charlotte. could even be preseason to unveil the hornets jerseys but nobody would show up. better off, they play preseason in cougars jerseys and have a big to-do about in opening night. wallace gets a bobcats jersey retired as basically the only positive memory anybody will have of the franchise's early years.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 1:16:39 PM

Nice work by the Bobcats today feeding people. This team does alot in the community. I have had a chance to particpate from time to time. One of the reasons I support the team.

Posted by: David | Nov 26, 2013 1:22:53 PM

Just win baby, win.... ;)

appaulds, plenty of posters on this board hate Gerald.

If we had a "big PG", why would we bring him "off the bench"?

Question for you slurpers (MJ excluded), please list the top-3 PG's in the NBA today?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 1:35:04 PM

Good ideas Jeff... If we lose our 1st to Chicago, but gain the Detroit and Portland Mid-Late 1st round picks we should address backup PG and 3 point shooting (SG/SF).

Detroit Pick: Hope that Garry Harris, James Young, Rodney Hood, or Wayne Seldon drop to us.

Portland Pick: 6'-4" PG Vasilije Micic from Serbia, Ranked 36 on ESPN "True point guard, Great size for his position, Very creative passer, Crafty with the ball, finds his way to the basket, Solid shooter with 3 point range, Winner."

Walker/Micic
Hood/Henderson
MKG/Taylor
Zeller/McBob
Big Al/Biz

Posted by: RobertKatz | Nov 26, 2013 1:41:40 PM

I don't have a big problem with our 5-4 start, other teams tanking, and apparent playoff bound team.

I have a HUGE problem with the last 3 1-2 while cutting the roles of biyombo and MKG.

this means not only will we cost ourselves our 2014 pick, but we're going to give up on our 2012, 2011, and oh by the way, we aren't really doing much to help 2013 either.

that's 4 birds clifford is hitting with one stone. I don't want to blame him personally because he's doing what he has to do to keep his job. but he's EFFING THE FRANCHISE.

maybe he knows that by playing MKG, biyombo, and zeller less......that we will lose more games and it's his genius way of tanking while looking like he's going for it.


or maybe this is typical bobcat BS.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 2:12:03 PM

You sure do curse a lot...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 2:16:52 PM

that's part of being a bobcats fan. i'm pretty sure it's a leading cause of brain aneurysms and tumors as well.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 2:31:43 PM

should have seen me after the dampier trade.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 2:32:15 PM

Fair enough! That's an explanation I can buy!!

Now, excluding clltn and MJ, are the rest of you slurpers going on the record with a top-3 PG list?!?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 2:44:35 PM

Of course there trying to tank...and the only way that can happen is by sitting MKg and biz..and by letting Ramon play at all....I would rather let pargo have Ramon minutes at least he can shoot the ball which we really need...

Posted by: shane | Nov 26, 2013 3:26:52 PM

And Dunlap is coaching where not too many people lining up to hire him.

Posted by: steve | Nov 26, 2013 3:34:55 PM

Top 3 point guards...

1. Bobcats won't amnesty Thomas.
2. Kemba will be playing in the Italian League.
3. Jordan should play anyone who asks one on one for Charity.
4. Ben Gordon is an elite player.
5. The Bobcats are losing money.
6. The Bobcats should have kept the core of Jack, Wallace, Augustine, Diaw, etc together.

Oh. Sorry. That is the NASTAR wrong list. Glad I realized. Could have kept going.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 26, 2013 3:36:00 PM

My top 3 point guards are. Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Tony Parker....repeat. Kemba is definitely in my top ten. If keeps playing like he has the last week or so, he will move up.

Posted by: McBob | Nov 26, 2013 3:37:55 PM

Bonnell said: "Translation: Who else scares you offensively?"

Is the answer, "nobody"?

If so, how does this bode for the futures of Biz and MKG?

Sure seems like Clifford is giving us a glimpse of Biz's future...

...right now. (and to a degree, MKG too)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 3:41:18 PM

CP3
John Wall
Ricky Rubio


Kemba is in my top seven. I think he will be a top three pick in a few years.

Posted by: Go Cats! | Nov 26, 2013 3:50:13 PM

Looks like there should be a top 3 wrong list by NASTAR. I think not breaking up the core, Thomas amnesty and Kemba to the Italian League in that order. Unless there are more choices.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder 2 | Nov 26, 2013 4:03:35 PM

steve....seriously....

dunlap didn't get a job??? try he didn't take one. look at his resume......guy has never had a problem getting a job. he's still getting paid this year. amazing how anyone could think he was a bad coach after doubling the team's winning% while getting younger. absolutely a testament to the intelligence level we're dealing with here. he was given one year to turn it around......and he kinda did.


the articles announcing his firing were not "finally, bobcats fire horrible coach" they were "questions arise as bobcats coach fired"......nobody understood it. they fired him because players complained. players like gana diop, tyrus thomas, ben gordon, reggie williams, brendan haywood, bryon mullens, etc.

one of those classic rod higgins moves.


clifford is picking jeff adrien over biz on the back of an outlier statistic that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy above his career average and based on less than 170 minutes played thus far in 11 games. meanwhile......he's ignoring the fact that biz is 2nd on the team to adrien in all of those stats but with over 100 more minutes played. and he's 21 and under contract for this year, next and restricted for the following. vs. adrien who doesn't even have a guaranteed deal for this year and turns 28 in february.

i love jeff adrien. but this is utterly insane. this is RIGHT up there with larry brown declaring that adam morrison and matt carroll were the same player, and rod higgins trying to justify the dampier trade as a move to give us some cap flexibility (which it didn't).

this dude (clifford) had a good thing going. we were going to make the playoffs on the back of our young guys and have a sustainable growth model with or without a high pick in next year's draft. now?!

i bet MJ's getting his phone blown up by former teammate Bj Armstrong.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 4:24:13 PM

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-02-23/nba-all-star-game-rosters-kobe-bryant-steve-nash-blake-griffin

this ones for the genius. 27.4 is average. MKG is 20. think about that.

youngest all-star team ever averaged 25+.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 4:33:27 PM

If I were the coach I would start Taylor over MKG. I would also start Zeller over McRoberts. The reason isn't because MKG and McRoberts are not doing a great job - the reason is the second team is killing us so we need to upgrade it. Gordon also needs to play and Sessions needs to be a point guard and not a shooting guard. As the game "settles" in we would likely see McRoberts and MKG finish the game...

Walker
Henderson
Taylor
Zeller
Jefferson

Sessions
Gordon
MKG
McRoberts
Biyombo

Posted by: Dom | Nov 26, 2013 4:34:35 PM

Sessions needs to pass the ball more or he has to go. He isn't trying to run any offense but his own.

Posted by: Jon | Nov 26, 2013 5:05:11 PM

Good stuff fellas...keep those PG lists coming, and we'll analyze later.

Now, here's a little datapoint for you to ponder in the meantime...

...Pacers in town tomorrow night, one of the 3 best teams in the NBA -- as hot as any...

...section 207,208, 209, 210, on average not a single seat in the top 12 rows has been sold -- they are all available on ticketmaster right now.

Those sections have 20 seats per row, there are well over 1,000 unsold tickets in those 4 sections alone...the rest of the upper deck looks almost as bad.

Can someone explain to me how (i) PSL (he's disappeared)could think all those $6 nosebleed listings on stubub are owned by brokers (guess boobs coulda sold em for $1), and (ii) well, heck...you pick a topic related to this and expound on it.

The floor is yours...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 5:06:35 PM

The upper level of an NBA arena in small market has seats open. That's news? A CBA lesson might be in order. There is a reason the NBA implemented revenue sharing. The good part is that it is working. Nice to see teams like Indiana legitimately competing. Charlotte should send David Stern a nice thank you note on his way out.

Posted by: John | Nov 26, 2013 8:11:13 PM

you could sell the off games for a dollar, but what good would that do? you're price protecting your other seats by NOT doing that.

if they people paying $20/seat found out they could sit 30 rows back for $1, a large amount of them would.

then if you're giving away your supply for the entire season......what happens when there are those sporadic bandwagon moments where the house is packed? you miss out on the opportunity to make all of the money you just gave away.


there's the argument for getting people in the building more leading to more sales (drug dealers giving out testers) but they already do plenty of give aways to the people that actually want them. this is NOTHING like the johnson era when it comes to the franchise's business.

why upgrade people for free when they're willing to do it for $20?

I get why they fired you now....you were trying to give them all away.


and for those keeping score......the guy was clamoring how jordan will never spend any money like prokhorov did........

brooklyn is 3-10 thus far
we're 7-8 (even with the recent ridiculousness from the coach)

people were talking about brooklyn winning 60 games this year. they'll be lucky to win 40 and that's with the most expensive payroll in nba history (if i'm not mistaken).

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 26, 2013 8:35:24 PM

NASTAR. Oh my god you are an idiot. No one said brokers are buying upper level seats. Who is going to buy them from the brokers. But every team has seats that brokers buy. Usually the better seats so they can resell the good games at a premium. Do you just make crap up? How many posts do you have today? Maybe you can rest on Thanksgiving. You have working too hard.

Posted by: PSL | Nov 26, 2013 9:12:25 PM

PSL, just yesterday you said brokers are buying UPPER DECK, I quote:| Nov 25, 2013 4:32:29 PM -- NASTAR SAYS...

Just on the 1st page of StubHub offering...

7 in 233
7 in 220
16 in 221
12 in 226
8 in 201
9 in 216
8 in 218
12 in 209
11 in 228
etc...

PSL responds: "Probably brokers. They buy for high demand games and almost giveaway tickets for the low demand games."

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2013/11/some-lunchtime-reading-why-havent-charlotte-bobcats-been-as-good-at-home-as-on-the-road.html

You, are a complete moron....

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 9:46:05 PM

Charlottean,

Biz has had 3 years and has limited offensive skills. He will be out of the league by age 23.

Posted by: jay | Nov 26, 2013 10:19:21 PM

clttn, behind u 100% on the Dunlap analysis. Personally I thought he was a horrible hire at the time but once the clock started on job performance he absolutely delivered the goods.

However, don't lay the screwup solely at the feet of Higgins...

...in fact, Air Min, Yes Co & Cho share equally in that debacle...

...aaah, in the interest of consistency, Air Min actually shoulders the bulk of the blame on that one.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 26, 2013 10:32:16 PM

Gerald Wallace was our franchise player and the only All Star the Bobcats had.
He put his body on the line year after year, with broken ribs and I don't remember how many concussions resulting from his way of playing. When he'll retire, the Bobcats will have to retire his jersey; this will be, most likely, the only jersey to be retired in memory of the ten years Bobcats era.

Fans are harping on Sessions. Last night, he played well below his average performance.
I posted more than once comments supported by stats showing that, in his five pre-Bobcats seasons, he played as a true point guard, not as a scoring guard. Playing as a scoring guard is what he has to do here, because this team is so limited in offensive talent. And last night, it just didn't work for him.

We have three capable scorers in this team: Kemba, Hendo and Jefferson (who is still not fully healthy). ALL the others are very inconsistent in offense.

Jeff Taylor should be the next in line to count as an offensive threat; he's not there yet, he's still growing as an NBA player. I don't want to call Cody a "disappointment", because it's so early in his rookie year.
I think he'll need a few years to get stronger and thus become capable of playing more in the paint, like he did in college. Now, he depends too much on his jump shot. When this will be achieved, when he'll start scoring consistently in the paint (yes, it could be a few seasons from now...), then that should give him also more confidence when taking jump shots (rather than having to worry, that if he misses his jumpers - which happens a lot - he doesn't have much else left in his offense, except for some occasional fastbreaks).

I like Josh McR a lot. He's the second coming of Boris Diaw, but younger. That means a lot of good things, except for being a main scoring option.

Michael Kidd Gilchrist is averaging 27 minutes per games, as a 20 years old sophomore, who also needs a few more seasons before reaching his peak. At 9.8 ppg in 27 mpg, you have to realize he's much more of a defender and rebounder than a scorer. We knew that about him since his year in college.
He had a few games (last season too) when he looked really good in offense too; but, in most games, he just isn't doing much offensively..

This is NOT a complaint about him. He'll become better as a scoring option too; but not now, at 20 years old. Give him time.
As for now, as long as he'll average no less than 25 minutes per game, his developing process is well taken care of.

I'll post something on Biz under Rick's next article.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 27, 2013 12:25:16 AM

clltn, I don't think the Boob's sold any tickets to brokers for $1 or $2...just a supposition that clearly makes no sense at all to any rational person. But for brokers to be making money on those seats that's what they'd have to buy them for, that's all....

...Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 27, 2013 2:41:28 AM

Sandy, that's a very nice post. I especially appreciate your logical recitation of the Gerald Wallace era and heritage, and expectations going forward about his permanent legacy in Charlotte and with this franchise -- Gerald is/was nothing short of a class act and should be treated as such.

I was going to say the only thing missing from your post was an assessment of where Biz stands, but I see this is coming -- good stuff!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 27, 2013 2:48:10 AM

TOTAL FAILURE if the Bobcats/Hornets do not land a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft.

This pick alone would set Charlotte up for the next 10 to 12 years as a successful playoff team/possibly even a real contender.

Draft the best player available regardless of position. Randle, Smart, Parker, or Exum and see them grow with this team. I would take Parker even having MKG on the roster. They can co-exist and their skill sets off set each other. Smart could play with Kemba. Randle could play with Zeller(at the 5). Exum could play with Kemba and Henderson.

The past draft picks could develop into solid role players with Kemba being an above average starter and Hendo as a potential 6th man.

Posted by: REALLY | Nov 27, 2013 9:50:10 AM

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