November 16, 2013
Even more playmaking by LeBron James tonight in Mario Chalmers' absence?
Before any Charlotte Bobcats fan screams, “Yippee” regarding the suspension tonight of Miami Heat point guard Mario Chalmers, consider this:
Small forward LeBron James might also be one of the five best point guards in the NBA and one of the five best power forwards.
Chalmers’ absence seemingly makes it inevitable James will do even more playmaking tonight against the Bobcats. This is not a pleasant prospect.
“The biggest thing (about guarding James) – and this is not easy – is you have to make great help decisions. His passing is what separates him,” said Bobcats coach Steve Clifford. “If you don’t help enough, he’s at the rim. Help too much and it’s a corner 3.”
If there’s any consolation, the Bobcats have as much depth at small forward as any position. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Jeff Taylor are both above-average NBA defenders. Gerald Henderson and Anthony Tolliver could both take turns on James in a pinch.
This isn’t so much about the number of bodies as the marching orders. The Bobcats can’t get so wrapped up sending extra bodies at James that every other Miami player is wide open.
“You can’t be constantly sending the second guy at him – it’s what he wants,” Clifford said of James ability to read and beat double-teams. “We’ll live with the damage (of mostly single coverage) and don’t give him the easy ones.”
Clifford said it’s extra important tonight that the Bobcats limit turnovers because the Heat is so special at turning defense into offense.
“If they’re stealing the ball, creating turnovers, they really make you pay.”
-- The Heat will be shorthanded beyond Chalmers’ suspension. Ray Allen is out with an illness and Udonis Haslem will miss the game with back spasms. Miami coach Erik Spoelstra said he anticipates Dwyane Wade playing tonight, but with Wade’s knees, it’s no given until the opening tap.
-- The Bobcats will again play without center Al Jefferson (continuing soreness in his right ankle). No real change on Jefferson’s status. Clifford is hopeful Jefferson can play Monday in Chicago, but there’s no real guidance at this point about his availability.
Posted by Observer Sports on November 16, 2013 at 06:08 PM | Permalink
NASATAR. Tavern on the Tracks. Monday night. Will be there by 7. Ask for Rick. I will make sure I am easy to find. Looking forward to you calling me a slurper to my face. Make sure you open the conversation like that so I know who you are.
Posted by: Rick | Nov 16, 2013 8:03:58 PM
The Cats were in the game . The second unit comes in . They move the ball and cut . Sessions and McRoberts hit open men moving . The Heat are befuddled and begin to complain . Walker returns and ball hogs .
Posted by: Iron man | Nov 17, 2013 7:24:08 AM
Nastar(Radio Rambo) sounds like u insulted the wrong guy! LMAO!!!!!!
Posted by: dshtg!! | Nov 17, 2013 11:22:52 AM
Cool, fathead. Bring all your slurper buddies with you, prefer to straighten out all of you at the same time.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 17, 2013 10:42:45 PM
Today is a great day. If only I was in Charlotte. Add this to the list of mistakes by NASTAR along with calling Ben Gordon an elite player. They just keep coming.
Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 18, 2013 9:58:36 AM
As expected, no sign of fathead slurper at that dump. Seriously, what a miserable nasty place. Next time let's make it the Ritz, if you manage to get in (highly doubtful) it will be immediately apparent who you are.
I gotta give Clifford all the credit for building a house tonight out of nothing but playing cards, if he ever does get any legitimate talent he could be dangerous.
So, overall 50% from the line and 8-29 between Shorty and GH, but Pargo and BG don't get a single minute between them?
Air Min says "no tanking"....yeah, right.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 19, 2013 1:12:30 AM
Nice try. Fool no showed. There for every Monday night game, See you when you grow a pair little girl.
Posted by: Rick | Nov 19, 2013 8:32:39 AM
internet beef is hilarious.
no talent? try when the kids grow up. the free throw thing is very apparent, but seriously.....these young dudes are PLAYING BALL. this season is playing out almost idealistically at this point......
young guys playing, keeping games competitive against title contenders, but losing to maintain draft stock. meanwhile jefferson is under contract for another year + PO, which should be when we're actually breaking through to the playoffs. zeller looked good besides missing that layup.
taylor had the most ridiculous game. someone told me he scored 20 before i watched the game and i'm watching the first half like i was lied to, dude didn't score his first bucket until 3 minutes left. 3 quick buckets there finishing 3 for 8 at the half. goes 6 for 10 in the 2nd half including those 2 big threes.
biz and adrien combined for a respectable game from the 5 spot.
walker is now officially playing worse than he did as a rookie. he was mediocre at best as a rookie and I was NOT a fan and not at all a fan of the decision to go with him over augustin (who is now so emotionally destroyed by that baffling decision that he is on his way out of the league and surely europe bound next year).
it's only 11 games, but this is a horrible stretch of point guard play. the good news is........marcus smart might be available as late as 6th or 7th in this draft which is a far more likely scenario for us the way things look right now with sacramento, utah, milwaukee and others looking CLEARLY behind us talent wise.
the half full side of that is....if we're 5-6 with him playing THAT bad......imagine what we could be doing if he wasn't. if I were him, I would go rubio and stop shooting altogether.
henderson is in the same boat, but he's at least showing signs of life. I still say godfather offer for evan turner is the absolute way to go right now and has been for the past 2 years while philly still can't figure out the talent they have on their hands there.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 19, 2013 12:30:11 PM
I disagree on Walker. He is not shooting well, but he has made incredible strides on defense. Would love to see players shooting % against him. He has battled some great point gaurds and harrassed them into some rough games. It has been a real differnec ein how competitve the team has been. Offensively he will come around. He still mgith not be all the way back from the injury in the Knicks game. Guy does not miss games.
Posted by: Johnathan | Nov 19, 2013 12:44:58 PM
7, 21, ?, ?, ?, 50...
...walk us through that?
Every Monday (ex yest), money is that tight? That must suck.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 19, 2013 1:48:13 PM
^^^Let me get this straight. You showed up at a "dump" last night to call someone you don't know a slurper to his face. Not. Then recommended the next meeting be at the Ritz Carlton? That makes sense as a place to call a guy a slurper and then get your ass beat. Yea. That's believable. Make sure you wear a tux. I will just add liar to your list. What a F*&^ing loser. Know wonder your got your lame A%^ fired.
Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 19, 2013 3:37:33 PM
Of course I didn't do that...
...guys like Rick are a dime a dozen on the internet -- show up and say something stupid and then when questioned about it they want to fight.
What we did do was get Rick to reveal a lot about himself -- stupid (we knew this already), broke (has to be if that dump is his go to place), weekly highlight is MNF at a dump, etc...heck, a couple more posts and I'd have probably had his favorite booth and preferred beer out of him. So if you and Rick want to get together and commiserate about the fact that neither of you ever has an original thought/idea that is even remotely supportable with even the most basic logic, now you know where to find each other!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 19, 2013 4:18:02 PM
what walker does defensively barely makes up for his lack of size. I love the way the guy plays, but the bigger point guards of today just have their way with him physically and he can't do anything about it.
the steals/blocks(they're really all steals) are his equalizer but let's not confuse that with him being a defensive stopper.
crawford didn't shoot the ball that great the other night, but he was having his way with walker and getting the shots he wanted. still shot 40% for 16 and 6 assists. holiday was the same way.
rose and hinrich were missing wide open shots. his defensive numbers thus far this season are not at all indicative of his actual ability to stop guys. in his defense, none of those guys are all that stoppable anyways.
I like walker a lot. I like henderson a lot. slumps are not the end of the world. the problem is......at his best, he hasn't been THAT efficient at all, at his worst it's miserable.
The one thing going in his favor is that we've won 3 games this year with him shooting 7 for 45 combined (a solid 15.5%). But we could absolutely use an equally gritty, but far more efficient point guard. whether it's him or not.
I always defend him on the low assist count, but it's moving in the wrong direction thus far this year. half his games with 3 or less? that's problematic. twice he's had more turnovers than assists.
everyone dogged augustin in favor of kemba (the new guy) but kemba has not separated himself from augustin in any way other than balls.
I can only imagine what adam morrison could have done with the amount of a chance to develop that walker has received.
i'm being harsh, he's in a slump, he'll come out of it.....but looking long term....it does not look like a strength of the youth movement. i think zeller, MKG, taylor, and biz all have brighter futures at their positions than walker at his. he'll get more points but at what rate? nobody thinks demarr derozan is any good because he scores right?
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 19, 2013 5:49:22 PM
Glad to see it has established that NASTAR is a liar and a Pu%^$y. Not that it was in doubt. HAHAHAHAHAH. What a clown.
Why did you get fired again? Every time you ignore the question, it becomes more obvious. You would be a great candidate ofr Mayor of Toronto! Pretty much the same person. Probably a little heavier.
Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 19, 2013 6:10:29 PM
Bobslurp, you can call me all the names you want, doesn't bother me in the least. Hopefully it makes you feel a little better about yourself. As for the Boob's, do you really believe I used to work there? Really? Again, as long as it makes you feel better...
charlottean, agree 100% on your assessment of Walker. Air Min's stated promise/goal was repeated forays deep into the playoffs -- I just don't see an undersized-2 at PG ever leading this team to a playoff-series win. Your points on Augustin are interesting, let's not forget he too was a #9 pick by the BOBcats, same as Shorty -- no guarantees for either.
I feel badly for Big Al. The other article suggests he might be ready again for the Friday game, hope he gets this thing sorted out. He certainly has the right attitude...
Fun Fact: did you all realize the Boob's are the only NBA franchise ever with losing percentage > 65%? That's right, now in our 10th season our overall losing % exceeds 65%, DFL in this history of the league. This sort of hole is extraordinarily difficult to dig out -- impossible as long as Air Min is at the helm.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 19, 2013 8:59:48 PM
Just to put that into perspective, New Orleans has a historical lose rate of 52%.
If we won EVERY game for the rest of this year AND EVERY game all of next year, our overall lose rate would still exceed 53%.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 19, 2013 9:07:54 PM
you're ignoring the expansion aspect. notice how memphis, toronto, and minnesota are all right there.
the original charlotte franchise had several factors go their way.....for starters.....landing mourning and johnson in back to back drafts to go with bogues and curry from the expansion draft had a lot to do with the success of the franchise for the the entirety of it's stay in charlotte.
mourning became rice, johnson became mason. rice became eddie jones. jones and mason became brown and mashburn.
those 2 draft picks are exactly what we were built on which was the entire strategy with the rebuild. MKG very well could be a larry johnson type talent. johnson was a 22 year old rookie. MKG is a 20 year old 2nd year player.
can zeller be mourning? probably not. but that's part of the luck at play.
memphis has missed on a TON of draft picks not named gasol or gay. toronto has been far worse managed than the bobcats have. they've hit plenty of draft day homeruns....mcgrady, carter, stoudemire, camby, bosh, etc. even their bad picks weren't busts but they let way too many of these guys go for nothing. that's what we've been doing (with lessor talents like felton, augustin, okafor) thus far.
but to compare the team with new orleans......is like asking for lightning to strike again. they can straighten the ship out (and they are) but expansion franchises do not get THAT lucky.
kendall gill became hersey hawkins. jr reid became scott burrell. they were built by having 4 or 5 great drafts in a row and then managing the talent through trades to continually have guys in their prime at affordable rates.
i def think we're headed in that direction.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 20, 2013 10:08:51 AM
Heat and Hornets were both expansion teams.
Clippers, Nets, Bullets, all in business over 40 years.
So what's the common theme amongst those firmly rooted in the basement?
D. Sterling, G. Taylor, I. Thomas, B. Johnson...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 12:19:40 PM
PS...when you set the all-time record for worst NBA season is't hard to hover at that level for long and by default you are going to "head in the right direction".
Away from that, yes, things are definitely better. Legit coach, legit big man (bad luck on ankle), good value in McRoberts, Zeller might justify his #4. To me those are the positives.
On the flipside, Shorty isn't a PG and never will be, MKG bless his heart will never justify his #2, ditto Biz and his #7, Gerald doesn't start on any playoff team from last year, ownership blows.
Add it all up and our max result will be getting back to about where we were before, make playoffs and lose in first round. I enjoyed the playoff chase, getting into the playoffs and seeing some playoff games -- then again, my expectations are realistic.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 12:31:57 PM
^^^I know you worked there. Have it on very good authority. Worst part is it was pre-Jordan ownership. My sources tell me fired with cause. Based on the your comments here, that was likely not hard to establish. Have a new job yet?
Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 20, 2013 12:33:26 PM
If you really believe that go ahead and put the publish the name/position now? (not mine, so I don't care) Get back on the meds bro, you're hallucinating.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 12:53:17 PM
MKG absolutely earns his standing he's the 5th youngest player in the league right now and is CLEARLY outplaying everybody in the top 5 of this past year's draft.......all of them older than him. the only debate with him is with barnes, drummond, and beal and he's right there in the mix with those guys. beal and barnes are playing better offensively but overall?
jury is out on biz but he's still a valuable pick from that draft class.
walker has been a question mark since draft night for me.....he erased those questions with a lot of promise last year, and raised them back up with a slow start this year....we'll see how that goes.
henderson could have easily started for chicago, new york, clippers, OKC, lakers (with kobe out of course), atlanta, boston, memphis, and i might be missing someone. you're delusional thinking he wouldn't at the very least be the first wing off the bench on all of those teams. he looks so much worse trying to be the guy here than he would if we already had the guy. it's like a safety trying to play corner and getting beat regularly playing man coverage.
the heat comparison? seriously? you don't think they get a MAJOR *? to their credit they won a championship before riley pulled off the heist but their numbers are inflated by the last 3 years+.
No doubt johnson mismanaged the franchise from the jump. nobody with a brain would argue that. but from about a year after jordan purchased the team.....progress has been evident. extremely clear in contrast to prior to that point.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 20, 2013 1:00:38 PM
You mentioned memphis/Minny/Toronto...Heat and Hornets in same sample set.
You guys always pick other underperformers or failures as examples to compare and rationalize lousy results from one of our guys (or our franchise). Last year MKG finished 8th on the rookie ladder (and had to make a late charge to stay in the top-10), wasn't even close to making all-rookie 1st team, and was so doubtful about his shot he only took 9 three-pointers the whole year (made 2) and this under a coach who was begging players to shoot a lot of 3's. Yeah yeah, I know, next year...
This year his FT% is down 1000bps, he's 0-4 on 3's (guess he's on pace to shoot a lot more 3's!), rebounds/assts/steals all down slightly, while TOV are up. His 2pt% is up nicely (lots of layups and putbacks). Look, he's a great kid, super nice, I am dying for him to do well, but he's underperforming vs. expectations, that's just all there is to it. Even Bonnell has said other teams don't have to guard him because he can't shoot and at times he's "invisible". Yeah yeah, I know, next year...
The clock on Jordan started in June of 2006 when he became the 2nd largest owner and Managing Member of the team. He was given complete control over all personell and draft decisions, and a clean slate in the front office (Tapscott and all the key marketing and operations people were fired simultaneously). Air Min hand picked his GM when he brought in Higgins in 2007.
This notion that Air Min's Bobcat track record started in 2010 is nonsense.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 1:40:11 PM
C'mon NASTAR. You didn't work there? This is just a hobby bashing Jordan and his team non stop. Yeah right. I am sure you could find something better to do with your time. You could not come off as more vindictive if you tried.
Why don't you publish your name? Exactly. No one would put their name on the crap your spew.
Posted by: DD | Nov 20, 2013 1:43:22 PM
C'mon Bobslurp, post name, position, reason for firing -- you have my permission.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 2:38:29 PM
NASTAR. Don't have your name. Know someone that used to work there. They obviously left under better circumctances. Said it was common knowledge that the moron commenting non stop about the team was one of a small group that was washed out a little over four ago for poor performance among other things. Has been doing it ever since. Sounds about right. Said none of the people have gone on to anything of substance and a couple of them actually live off of their wives. Nice that you have a supportive wife, but she would probably appreciate you actually contributing.
I guess there could be another reson you do what you do, but that seems improbable. Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 20, 2013 3:45:26 PM
^^^Now that does not surprise me at all. That dude spends more time killing the Bobcats than working, that is for sure. Get over it. SMH. His poor wife.
Posted by: Mike T | Nov 20, 2013 5:22:24 PM
The mystery of NASTAR solved. Had to be a reason for all that hate.
Really like what Clifford is doing with this team. Seem to be very organized on defense. Competitive even with teams with greater talent. I know its early, but that D should keep them in most game. Hopefully the young guys keep improving.
Posted by: David | Nov 20, 2013 7:25:26 PM
LOL...could you be more vague? No name, no position, no nothing. "Know someone that used to work there"...joke. It's almost like you made it up! As previously known, you have nothing -- because, once and for all, I never worked there.
Also known, you posted under DD as well. Took your little ^^^^^^'s out but otherwise cadence and writing style (lack thereof in your case), identical. You're prob Mike T too.
And then...you said: "Worst part is it was pre-Jordan ownership."
And you said: "one of a small group that was washed out a little over four ago"
Now, the problem with your thesis is when Air Min took over in 2006 he had a clean slate because he took control "two weeks after Johnson began a house-cleaning project that ousted team president and CEO Ed Tapscott, followed by the firings of the top marketing and operations officers."
His Minimumness came in with a clean slate, so if I had worked there, I would have been a new hire -- made by Jordan.
Get some meds chump, you'll feel better.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 7:28:04 PM
Wow, Kemba's building quite the resume for taking out star players on the other team -- first Tyson Chandler, now Deron Williams.
Another Bruce Bowen?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 20, 2013 8:18:37 PM
as bad as kemba had been thus far.....dude balled tonight.
jeff adrien was EVERYWHERE. he + biyombo is just as productive net as al. they don't score as much but they defend a lot more. 1 win with, 5 without. I guess we need him to tank.
nastar....just admit that kemba scoring 31, and beating BK without al made your head explode. that's like 180 million vs. 35 million with gordon and al sitting (and tyrus at home watching mad luxuriously, no doubt).
you can't possibly be basing a prospect's career on nba.com rookie ladder right? dude was top 3 early on before he had the concussion. and he was BY FAR the youngest of that bunch. dude is playing ball. made pierce look like a B tonight.
how can the arena be THAT early? and the knights think they're gonna make money? in THIS town?
that and "ice up, son" has my permission to be the city catch phrase permanently no matter how many tool bags overkill it in the next month.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 20, 2013 10:17:57 PM
The Bobcats are fun to watch. Really enjoyed tonight's game.
Posted by: Skip | Nov 20, 2013 10:46:56 PM
It is amazing how many people on this site bash the young players on the Bobcats. Over time you have wanted to send half the team to the D-league and wanted the other half traded for marginal players from other teams that have already reached their potential. Sometimes you have to have some patience. For example, compare this player's stats during his first two years to MKG...
2011 27 MPG 6 PPG 5 RPG shooting 30%
2012 34 MPG 9.7 PPG 6.6 RPG shooting 39%
2012 26 MPG 9 PPG 5.8 RPG shooting 46%
2013 28 MPG 10.6 PPG 5.6 RPG shooting 51%
The top player is Paul George...was he a bust or wasted draft choice? Send him to the D-League? Sometimes you have to have patience. Look at Paul George's numbers in his third year:
2013 38 MPG 19.2 PPG 7.4 RPG shooting 42%
Since he couldn't shoot over 40% in his first two years, some of you would have traded him...would you still do that now?
With young players, you have to develop them and some will be a wash but you can't tell in the first couple of years. Some players go on to become stars after 2 or 3 years and yes some are busts...only time will tell.
Posted by: MJ | Nov 21, 2013 9:36:38 AM
Funny that you should post under MJ, because your ability to manage info is almost as bad as Air Min's ability to manage the Boob's...
You do realize you are comparing Paul's 3-pt% to MKG's overall %, don't you?
Paul George was All-NBA Third team in his 3rd year. He was also NBA All-Defense 2nd team last year.
So you're suggesting MKG is gonna go from this, to All-NBA at the end of next season?
In his first 2 seasons Paul George hit 131 three-pointers, so far MKG has taken 13 -- he's afraid to shoot (because he can't). Oh, make that 14, he missed another one last night.
MKG has started every game as a Boob, PG only started 19 his rookie year. Look at the 36 minute numbers and Paul scores more, turns it over less, assists more, way better from line, WAAAAY better 3-pt shooter (when you get down to it, MKG really doesn't even shoot 3's), 2-pt% about the same even though Paul shoots jumpers while MKG shoots layups & dunks...
...that was easy.
You slurpers are certainly consistent, gotta give you that. Whatever ludicrous point you are trying to defend you choose the single worst outlier example (or best) to illustrate your point -- that's just not reality. And seriously, at least pick one that's relevant next time.
If your expectations are that MKG is going to turn into Paul George over the next 30 months you are in for some serious disappointment.
charlottean, my head certainly didn't explode, but I bet Billy King's was close! Injuries be damned the Nets are certainly off to a disappointing start, no doubt, be interesting to see how they respond. But there's one thing I know for sure, Prokhorov will keep firing that giant Cash Bazooka until they get it right!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 12:53:36 PM
For future reference you can find all the correct numbers right here:
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 12:55:02 PM
he's not going to have any moves to be made with that cash bazooka.......he can't trade KG, Pierce, Williams, Johnson, or Lopez because nobody wants them.
and yes the numbers for paul george listed were wrong, but the correct numbers do still compare favorably to MKG. and george was a year and a half older entering the league.
I hate to break it to you nastar but there aren't many 19 and 20 year olds lighting it up from NBA range. and there aren't many 19 and 20 year olds doing the things MKG can do.........he had a lot of turnovers last night (tons of no calls mind you) but did you see his handles?
that dude is major. he's an absolute stud prospect. there's absolutely zero doubt in anybody's mind about that kid other than his future ability to knock down 3 pointers. will not make or break his career. he's the kind of guy that could shoot 60+ from the field for his career when it's all said and done. he might put up insane efficiency numbers by making up for the lack of 3's with higher % on 2's and getting to the line.
the guy is no doubt our number 2 guy for the long haul and our leader. we just need a #1 go to scorer to pair him with. zeller might be that guy. we need to play him up.
also....biz is quietly putting in 65% from the field through 12 games. free throws are going in the wrong direction, but he's still giving you over a point per possession which is VERY SOLID as your last option on offense. check other similar bigs PPP for reference. anything over 1 is pretty much exceptional. he gets his free throws up he could be talking 1.1+.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 21, 2013 1:05:37 PM
charlottean, when does MKG make All-NBA and play in the All-Star game?
No explanation, just name the year for both.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 1:11:14 PM
he might make all nba defensive as soon as next year or the following. all-star? all nba 3rd or better? that might take as much as 8 years. but I have no doubt it happens.
the dude is 20. barring injuries, he will be in the league for the next 16 years, easy. and he's starting all of those years.
how do you watch him play and not see it? it baffles me. seriously. the guy has the physical tools, he has every skill you can think of except shooting ( and he's nowhere near as bad as anthony bennett looks shooting from 3) and he's ALREADY an upper echelon defender in this league of grown men.
i don't see how you and others don't see this glaringly obvious talent we have on our hands.
are barnes and beal far better shooters? no doubt. is drummond looking like the steal of the draft? no doubt. is lillard looking like he's going to be an elite pg for the next 10? no doubt. but the reason i wouldn't give up MKG straight up for any of those guys is because of the intangibles none of those guys have. what MKG does leads to winning basketball games.
he'll have a few big playoff moments before people start to really appreciate him. kind of like zach randolph or chauncey billups in that way. but he's a bigger talent overall than either.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 21, 2013 2:17:54 PM
Did you not read the "no explanation" part?!?
At least you went on record with the years.
Paul George was All-Defense 2nd team, All-NBA 3rd team, and an All-Star...in his 3rd year.
I know it wasn't you that threw it out there but MKG will accomplish none of those in his 3rd year so stop comparing the two.
I guess All-Star after 8 years could be in the cards...similar track as Crash. Sounds about right. After that we bail on him?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 4:14:31 PM
but i think that has everything to do with george being a more skilled shooter and the year and a half older.
if we compare MKG's 4th year to george's 3rd......it will be more similar.
he will be the caliber player george has become. he will not be the scorer that george is becoming.
making an argument without evidence isn't in my repertoire.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 21, 2013 4:17:55 PM
As for the Nets, Pierce's contract is for this year only, KG is only on the books for $12 million next year. Heck man, they just traded for them, you think they are gonna try to get rid of them after 11 games?
Ditto Williams, they just re-signed him! Aren't you the guy that preaches patience? Doesn't help that Kemba cheap shotted him on that ankle injury last night.
Lopez has averaged 18 and 7.3 for his career while shooting 51% and 79% and you think nobody would "want him"? Guy keep his nose clean, plays within the system, always does anything that's asked of, and is paid appropriately, the Nets would foolish to try to move him.
They do need Johnson on his butt and let him stew a little bit, horrible decision maker. And I'm sure they regret the signing. I flew up and attended game 7 of Net/Bulls last year and Johnson almost single-handedly blew that game, his *ss got booed into the locker room. But I'll say this, 6-time All-Star, bet your boy MKG doesn't get there...
...your expectations for the kid are just ridiculously high, unfair to him. Air Min, Yes Co. & Cho put him in a bad position by drafting him so high but nothing they do should be a surprise.
So what's the over/under on games won for this team now? 35? How you feeling about that relative to "The Plan"?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 4:35:46 PM
Here's another question for ya...
...what would you say MKG's effective shooting range is? Layup? About the restricted arc? Certainly it's inside the FT line...
You said "he's the kind of guy that could shoot 60+ from the field for his career when it's all said and done."
H*ll, this year he's barely beating 60% from the FT line (61%) with nobody guarding him! So unless he shoots nothing but layups and dunks that (60% for career) ain't happening ;)
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 5:09:30 PM
Thanks for the link to the Basketball Reference.Com site. It is a very good reference source. I agree that some of the stats that I posted were wrong...I guess you're right that I am a slurper...whatever that means. But taking the stats from the site that you recommended, look at the following stats per 36 minutes which allows comparison on the same Basis:
MKG (per 36 min)
2012 12.5 pts 45.8% 8.1 TRB 1.2 blks 1 stl
2013 13.4 pts 51.5% 7.1 TRB 1.2 blks .7 stl
Paul George (per 36 min)
2010 13.5 pts 45.3% 6.4 TRB .7 blks 1.8 stl
2011 14.7 pts 44.0% 6.8 TRB .7 blks 2.0 stl
While Paul George has more steals per 36 minutes, in his first two years, MKG has more rebounds and blocks per 36 minutes and has a higher shooting percentage. While it is true that more of Geroges shots are from 3 point range, that also means that MKG is better at attacking the basket. From the above stats, I don't see a major difference in the stats for the two players...but what do I know, I'm only a slurper and your a former NBA scout for the Bobcats.
Posted by: MJ | Nov 21, 2013 7:25:20 PM
LOL....wear it as a badge of honor ;) Seriously, I'm sure you're a nice guy and I appreciate your optimism -- I'm simply trying to inject a dose of reality into the situation so nice guys like you aren't disappointed when MKG doesn't turn into Paul George.
There's no doubt that MKG is good at attacking the basket but he's a small forward in a shooting guards body...guys like that need to be able to shoot.
So, let me ask you the same questions...
...what would you say MKG's effective shooting range is? Layup? About the restricted arc? Certainly it's inside the FT line...?
This is integral to the comparison of MKG and Paul George.
PS...I've crunched the data for MKG, kinda eye-opening. Will do so for Paul George and report back.
PPS...I promise never to call you a slurper again (even though it really is a term of endearment, poor slurpers can't help themselves).
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 21, 2013 7:56:38 PM
So I see nobody wants to talk about MKG's range huh? Well I crunched some numbers...MKG vs. Paul George. Used Paul's first 2 seasons and all the data we have so far on MKG, obviously a long way to go in the current season, but that's the data we have.
Year 1 --> for every 100 shots MADE:
0-3ft = 72 (dunks & layups)
4-7ft = 5
8-15ft = 3
16-23ft = 19
24ft+ = 1 (3pt's)
Avg length shot = 8ft
Avg length made = 6ft
0-3ft = 49 (dunks & layups)
4-7ft = 3
8-15ft = 10
16-23ft = 15
24ft+ = 23 (3pt's)
Avg length shot = 13ft
Avg length made = 11ft
Year 2 --> for every 100 shots MADE:
0-3ft = 75 (dunks & layups)
4-7ft = 6
8-15ft = 4
16-23ft = 16
24ft+ = 0 (3pt's)
Avg length shot = 7ft
Avg length made = 5ft
0-3ft = 47 (dunks & layups)
4-7ft = 1
8-15ft = 9
16-23ft = 11
24ft+ = 32 (3pt's)
Avg length shot = 14ft
Avg length made = 12ft
- In year 2 MKG's 51% FG looks good but factoring in 32% of PG's shots made were 3ptr's his 44% shooting yielded 232pts per 100 shots vs. 200pts for MKG.
- On the FT front, MKG got to line 187 times in year 1 (took 613 shots)...PG got to line 182 times in year 2 (took 639 shots), so no appreciable difference there (PG only took 395 shots his 1st year). MKG is getting to the line more this year (on more shots) but his FT% has dropped from 75% to 61%. In his 2nd year PG increased FT% to 80% from 76% prior year (currently 84%).
- MKG's range is shrinking and he's getting worse from the line. PG's range extended in year 2, is double++ that of MKG, and he has improved at the line every year.
- PG is an asset in crunch time as he provides scoring, stretches the floor, doesn't allow the opposing team to pack in the D, his man can't peel off and double, and he's good from the line (3-for-3 against Knicks Wed night with 5 secs left). And he's just as good on the defensive end of the floor.
- MKG is a liability in crunch time as he can't shoot, allows the D to pack in, his man can peel off and double, and he's no good at the line. Clearly he's good on the defensive end.
These are simple facts folks and the data can all be found right here: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202331
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 22, 2013 12:19:06 PM
as for BK - nobody wants them because they are overpaid and aren't winners. who wants johnson at 20 million a year? how about lopez and his escalating max contract? williams can't get right out there so his value (as high as it would be) is plummeting. new york would take any one of those guys for whatever scraps they have, but that won't happen.
mkg has been knocking down jumpers this year. not sure what games you have been watching. he will live off of transition buckets that he converts at an above average rate, but he'll keep getting better with the jumper just like most nba players do.
he shot 75% at the line last year. he shot 75% at kentucky. that number will come up over the next 70 games.
it doesn't matter how the points come, as long as they come efficiently and from a player who plays defense.
you are judging a guy who just turned 20 in september. he just got done guarding lebron, deng, pierce in the last 3 games. put it into context when comparing to the guys you want him to be. what was scottie pippen doing at 19 and 20? igoudala? you mentioned parsons the other day......that dude went 4 years at fla. he's like 25. 5 years from now, MKG will be the man.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 22, 2013 5:28:33 PM
"mkg has been knocking down jumpers this year."
From 4-feet and out he's shooting 34%. From 8-feet out he's shooting 31%.
These are numbers provided by the NBA bro, no personal opinion involved. Go look at the data yourself.
"he will live off of transition buckets that he converts at an above average rate"
Again, false. From inside 4-feet his conversion rates are identical to Paul George in his first 2 years. The only thing MKG is doing at an above average rate is his made shots inside 4-feet as a % of the overall, because that's about all he shoots.
Your expectations for MKG are completely unrealistic....right now it's not happening like you think it is, and going forward it's not gonna happen like you hope it will.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2013 4:42:08 PM
look up average for the nba. 31% on jumpers is not horrible. especially for a 20 year old who can't shoot. look at the numbers.
and the second part?! you said it yourself.......conversion rates identical to paul george. is george NOT above average? and you aren't even factoring in how skewed those numbers are because of his inability to get calls being a young guy on bad teams. i know you aren't about to argue against the nba referee star bias.
and you clearly aren't actually watching the games. show me the other 20 year olds finishing at the cup like MKG. show me them THROUGHOUT LEAGUE HISTORY.
the list is like......
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2013 1:35:53 PM
Low 30's aint good. Heck, Paul George hit 38% from 24-feet and out in his 2nd year!
MKG's numbers suck and they virtually all his shots in that category are inside of 18-feet. Paul George's numbers are way better and well over 50% of his non-layup shots are outside of 24-feet.
The names you pull out of the ether to compare with M-CSS-KG really are hilarious! You are delusional!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2013 2:50:01 PM
you are comparing 23 year old paul george to 20 year old MKG. and i wasn't the one that drew the comparison. a far more applicable comp is rudy gay. gerald wallace. even kenneth faried.
and yeah we're talking about a guy that converts over 50% of his fg's through 14 games. doesn't matter where on the floor he takes them.......that's good for 33rd best in the league. out of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryone. the 5th youngest guy in the league is converting 33rd best. out of those in front.....only 8 don't play the post.
keep trying to find reasons to hate the kid but here's the facts: guys like him are hard to find. guys like him succeed. guys like him improve their outside shot as they get older. he's only 20 years old. you're trying to compare him to a guy 3 and a half years older, on a veteran title contending team, MVP front runner like it's apples to apples. that alone speaks to how good the kid is.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2013 4:56:45 PM
First off, I do not hate the kid, in fact I like him a lot. Guys like you only make it worse for him because the unrealistic expectations only add to the pressure.
Dude, if you can't shoot by age 20 it ain't gonna happen. He's put up 721 shots in his career and only 14 were 3-pointers...there's a reason, he can't shoot. Forget this fixation you have on age, turn pro and you better be ready. Stay at Kentucky and you don't have to be compared to other pro's. You keep comparing him to Hall-of-Fame caliber guys...
lebron....All-NBA 2nd Team and NBA All-Star in his 2nd year in league.
stoudemire....All-NBA 2nd Team and NBA All-Star in his 3rd year in the league.
You throw out names like this and suggest they are a like comparison...
...but you say MKG won't be an All-Star until his 8th year in the league? Add Kemp to the mix and those 3 players had 17 All-Star appearances collectively upon completing their 8th year. MKG just ain't in the same class with any of those guys, not even Sean Kemp.
In playoff basketball MKG will be a liability because the opponent will only have to defend 4 players...3 if Biz is on the floor.
Ain't gonna work...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2013 5:38:40 PM
The Hollinger Rankings show MKG as only the 27th best player at his position in the NBA.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2013 5:43:04 PM
you struggle with reading comprehension sometimes.
i compared his ability to finish at the rim at age 20, not his overall game. lebron wasn't a good shooter when he came in, but he was LIGHT YEARS ahead of most 6-8 19 year olds.
i'm not placing unrealistic expectations on him. I'm placing realistic long term expectations. the unrealistic is to expect him to be at age 20 what he will be at age 26. that's unrealistic.
expecting a 20 year old to be a finished product is insane. lebron wasn't AT ALL the player he is today at age 20. not even close.
you fail to remove the outliers from your hollinger rating link. nick young has never been a SF. beasley not only clocks less than 15 mpg on the most stacked roster ever assembled, but he has a career 15.1 PER. that 23.8 is bloooaaaaatteed. you got 3 other guys who play less than 20 mpg.
per your list he's 16 among the ones that actually play and play starters minutes.
there are 30 jobs at each position in the league. if you are top 30 as a raw 20 year old that's upper echelon. he finished 23rd last year as a rookie.
do i expect the guy to be glen rice? no. I expect the guy to be rudy gay with better defense or gerald wallace with better build, better handle, and not shying away from the big moments like wallace always did/does. better teammate too.
he's already a double figure scorer and upper echelon defender. that's a great place for a 20 year old to start.
Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2013 7:04:09 PM
"I love him. He's a guy that brings it. He's a very competitive player, mentally tough," Blazers coach Nate McMillan said. "In this league there are men and there are boys. Gerald is a man. When you're in this league, you need those guys that don't fear opposing players. Wallace doesn't fear LeBron (James), (Dwyane) Wade, Kobe (Bryant)."
Seems Nate has a different take than you....
....but you know better, yeah, right.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2013 9:26:48 PM
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