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November 07, 2013

On Biz, whether to foul and free throws earned and missed

    Some post-game thoughts on the Charlotte Bobcats’ 92-90 victory Wednesday over the Toronto Raptors:

    -- Center Bismack Biyombo had some rough moments trying to contain Toronto center Jonas Valanciunas’s quickness in the post, but Biz obviously made a huge play when he blocked DeMar DeRozan’s shot with 27.9 seconds left. If Biz consistently posts numbers like Wednesday’s – eight points, 11 rebounds and three blocks – he’ll keep coach Steve Clifford happy.

            -- Clifford said he would have done the same thing Toronto coach Dwane Casey did art the end of the game, choosing not to foul late to get back the ball. Clifford said there was nearly a two-second differential between the shot clock and the game clock, with the Raptors having the option to advance the ball to midcourt after a timeout.

            Clifford said that’s enough time that he’d play defense rather than intentionally foul.

            -- Apparently that 81 percent foul-shooting the Bobcats demonstrated Tuesday against the Knicks was a mirage. Twenty-ninth among 30 NBA teams in foul-shooting, the Bobcats made 17-of-30 from the line Wednesday, just 57 percent.

            Clifford said what I’ve written a couple of times: That the shame in this is they’re squandering one of their great strengths -- the ability to create numerous trips to the foul line.

            -- Speaking of trips to the line, reserve point guard Ramon Sessions has now taken 40 free throws in 111 minutes, a free throw for every 2.8 minutes played. That’s striking.

    I’ll be writing in Friday’s Observer about how Sessions has so impressed Clifford that the coach has strayed from his original reluctance to play Sessions and point guard Kemba Walker together.

            -- The Bobcats won’t practice Thursday in a span of three games in four nights. Clifford probably would have chosen that anyway, but the Knicks game was particularly physical.

    These guys need time to rest and heal, particularly Walker, who has a bruised left shoulder from a collision with Metta World Peace. Walker’s shooting Wednesday – 2-of-13 – sure reflects a guy who was worn out from all he did to beat the Knicks.

            -- With the exception of the loss in New Orleans Clifford has been quite happy with his team’s ball-movement. Obviously it was good Wednesday when 24 of the Bobcats’ 36 baskets came off assists.

            -- I doubt I’ll know anything about center Al Jefferson’s availability to play against the Knicks before Friday-morning shootaround at the earliest.  

Posted by Observer Sports on November 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM | Permalink


This win would've come easier if they just made the free throws at a decent rate.
The defense is, most of the time, very good.
They make the effort to run in transition.
In offense, we have good ball movement (not always, but again, most times), and also, we have players who overall are better on the drive than at long range shooting; this necessarily draws frequent fouls and brings many free throws.

So, if the Cats could make those free throws at an average-for-the-league rate at least, they'd make life much easier for themselves. See the New York game: if not for the good free throws shooting, all that great effort would've been squandered.

Maybe fatigue plays a part too, in the second of back-to-back games. Unfortunately, there are a lot more of these yet to come.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 2:17:01 AM

What do you think of michael kid gilchrist now?

Posted by: Anon | Nov 7, 2013 2:22:35 AM

Mark Price should be embarrassed to coach this team.

Posted by: Ghoul | Nov 7, 2013 6:33:14 AM

MKG was at this attacking best last night. It is amazing what he can do at 19 also considering his slight frame. If he simply adds some strength, with the way he can finish and defend, he will be a solid player. Back to back tough defensive assignments and also was on the floor to finish both games. Should improve as the season goes on, you can see the confidence growing in both MKG and Taylor.

Posted by: Mike T | Nov 7, 2013 7:23:15 AM

Ghoul......that's the perfect name for you!

Haters like you should be hated.

Posted by: Hugo Panther | Nov 7, 2013 7:35:25 AM

Loved the Taylor/MKG combo. Play well together and compliment each other. That is turning out to be a solid draft. I was hoping just one would turn out, Think Houston cared that they took Morris ahead of Parsons, but Parsons ended up better. In the Bobcats case, looks like both will be good. Different, but good. That reverse by Taylor in traffice last night was impressive and a MKG was Wallace like on those end to end finished. Only Wallace was not doing that at 19.

Posted by: DD | Nov 7, 2013 7:35:53 AM

Clifford is just giving a fellow coach a nod there. No way you don't foul. IF things work perfectly you can get the ball back with 2 seconds...but if you do just what Henderson did you waste the clock on the miss and the bounce in the air. Glad they didn't want to foul but made zero sense to me. And the look on the Toronto players when it was over almost made me think they thought the game was tied.

Big W. Keep em coming

Posted by: bdubb | Nov 7, 2013 7:44:07 AM

MKG had a good game.

I think of him the same as I always thought: similar kind of player to Gerald Wallace, as far as his potential goes. I mean this as high praise (as I have already said).

And DD, in his second year in NBA, Gerald was safely kept at the end of the bench in Sacramento. His chances to grow as a player began in his fourth NBA season only, with the Bobcats.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 8:20:01 AM

I have to give kudos to the Bobcats. The Cats showed the grit to win both Tuesday and Wednesday- games that they would have fought to win in either of the past 2 seasons. I was skeptical at the start of the season, but as this team continues to improve, and with Big Al's return to the rotation becoming imminent, I can see the Cats as a legitimate playoff team. Honestly, I could even see us as high as the 6th seed. Keep scrappin, Cats!

Posted by: Hoagie58 | Nov 7, 2013 8:35:50 AM

WOW! Just read that the Celtics are potentially looking to trade Gerald Wallace. Not sure who we'd send, but certainly worth considering. THAT would bring back some of the Cats fans of old, for sure!

Posted by: Hoagie58 | Nov 7, 2013 8:37:41 AM

First off who is the dillusional person that wants Gerald Wallace back.

Team looked great for 3 qtrs as Hendo, Taylor, and MKG were playing really well and Biz was inside defensive stop for sure.

- We have done more alley-oops in the season so far then the past 4 combined it feels like.
- Team can actually win and play well even with Kemba hurt or off. That's huge.
- Session may get to the line but does that boy ever pass the ball.
- Tolliver and Adrien have been pleasant surprises at those price entry points for sure.
- The team looks and feels like a closer knit team.
- No more of that pre coach huddle than team huddle during a timeout. I always thought that was beyond stupid.
- The overall league looks really well balanced so far. I mean all the worst/tanking teams have played really well and some like us are even in the playoffs if it was determined today. I know this won't last but it really does look more balanced.

Undefeated at home and a winning record.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 7, 2013 8:57:41 AM

Charlotte Gets: Gerald Wallace (10/3yrs), Courtney Lee(5/3yrs), Future 1st round Pick
Boston Gets: Ben Gordon's expiring contract(13/1yrs), Brendan Haywood(2/3yrs)
Henderson/C. Lee/Jeff Taylor
Big Al/Biyombo/Adrien

Posted by: Timbo | Nov 7, 2013 9:03:46 AM


This is from a BIG Gerald Wallace fan.

Gerald now is not the same player he was when he played for us. He's only 31 years old, but it's amazing how the wear out of his previous seasons (coming from his very physical manner of playing) caught up with him. It's unfortunate.

If I had a choice now, between giving him minutes and giving them to MKG, of course I'd have to go with the young one, who needs to develop.

I see Southerland isn't playing. If we don't keep him, we'll have a spot to use eventually; that should be either on a shooter (not another driver...), or, to meet a need that may arise later in the season, due to injuries.

You just can't go by nostalgia. Remember when AI was available, and Larry Brown was the coach? As strong as the mutual appreciation between these two was, and as influential as LB's wishes were in player personnel decisions at that time, we made no move to get Iverson. He just didn't match the team needs.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 9:04:03 AM

Charlotte Gets: Rajon Rondo (12/2yrs), Gerald Wallace (10/3yrs)
Boston Gets: Kemba (2.5/2yrs), Ben Gordon (13/1yrs), Sessions (5/1yrs), Brendan Haywood (2/3yrs)
Big Al/Bismack/Adrien

Posted by: Timbo | Nov 7, 2013 9:04:05 AM

I would choose Kemba over Rondo any day. His heart and teamwork is light years better regardless if Rondo is slightly better player.

Oh and big Ben has been riding the pine. Guess his attitude didn't improve much or he is happy making his $13mm and relaxing at night

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 7, 2013 9:14:39 AM

I don't see what Clifford sees in Sessions. He's an awful back up PG and an even worse SG. I really don't understand why Pargo doesn't get more minutes backing up Kemba.

Posted by: D.W.G. | Nov 7, 2013 9:28:04 AM

I love Kemba to death- but Rondo is the top PG in assist- a category Kemba sorely lacks in. How is Kemba's teamwork light years ahead- he had 0 assist against the Pelicans!

Posted by: Timbo | Nov 7, 2013 9:30:36 AM

Sandy. I am aware that Wallace was not getting any run at 19. People compare MKG to Wallace, but he is years ahead on the development curve.

Posted by: DD | Nov 7, 2013 9:33:36 AM

Ghoul = NASTAR. That is pretty obvious. Has to mix up his hate every once in a awhile so he can pretend he wasn't fired by the Bobcats and still is hurting from it.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 7, 2013 9:36:04 AM

At this point the last thing we need is to make trade that messes up team chemistry. I could see moving Gordon at the trade deadline but otherwise I'm fine with working on getting better with the current lineup.

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 7, 2013 10:00:00 AM

The opportunity to develop was there for MKG from the beginning, which evidently is a good thing. That's what you do when you pick a young guy 2nd overall.

Gerald was not given any such opportunity before becoming a Bobcat. This is the only fair way to look at their early career years.

You know, I watch NBA games for I don't know how many years. I actually saw Gerald in a few games, coming off the bench for the Kings, and I was very impressed with him (athleticism, slashing ability, effort, assertiveness). I was really happy when Bernie picked him in the expansion draft.

- - -

In the same vein, just look at Thomas Robinson. What a huge waste of talent, so far. He has great potential, he showed it in college, but he's given no real chances to succeed in the NBA so far.
Hopefully, his time will come too...

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 10:15:17 AM


You cannot judge "teamwork" based on assists only. And by the way, assists is the only thing in which Rondo is better than Walker. And even his assists ratio are driven by the fact that he played along three perennial hall of famers for most of his career (Allen, Pierce and Garnet).

Kemba has averaged 5-6 APG since last season. Once Jefferson gets back and they get their game set that will most likely improve to 7 and maybe even 8 APG. But the truth is, that not one PG will ever average more than 8APG unless you have reliable shooters (catch & shoot) and post players (pick & roll) around you. Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo and even Rusell Westbrook - they all have and have had great/good shooters and post players around them. They have all played with teamamtes such as: Nowitzki, Amare, West, Stojackovic (in his prime), Boozer, Durant, Pierce, Garnet, etc.

Kemba is the better player "overall", when compared to Rondo, he's just more of a scorer (Rondo is a horrible scorer) and he needs a better supporting cast, which he is finally getting; he needs 1 or 2 better shooters to get to double digits APG.

Posted by: RobC | Nov 7, 2013 10:29:23 AM

D.W.G., it's not just Steve Clifford.
EVERY coach who ever worked with Ramon Sessions had only praise for him.
Coaches' appreciation translates into playing time: Sessions averages about 10 minutes per game than Jannero Pargo (career averages).

Sessions' averages are 11.6 ppg at 44% FG shooting, 4.8 apg and 3 rpg, in 25.6 mpg;
Jannero Pargo's averages are 6.5 ppg at 39% FG shooting, 2 apg and 1.5 rpg, in 15.5 mpg.

Sessions is much better on the drive (which also results in drawing more fouls), but Pargo is better at 3 points shooting: 35% vs. 32% for Sessions.
For overall scoring: Sessions 18.1 pts/40min., Pargo - 16.9 pts/40min.

And for the rest, it's all Sessions.
As a playmaker: Sessions averages 7.5 assists per 40 min, Pargo averages 5.2 assists per 40 min.
Being bigger (2 inches taller) also gives Sessions an advantage in defense and rebounding: Sessions 4.7 reb/40 min., Pargo: 3.9 reb./40 min.

Coach Clifford knows what he's doing.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 10:40:22 AM

how dumb some of you are to suggest that trading ben gordon's expiring contract for gerald wallace's monster of a contract would be a good thing.

that would not only speed up the celtics rebuild, but completely sabotage ours. you guys are seriously ignorant about nba basketball.

sandy is right about wallace not getting the chance to develop in sacramento (they were playoff teams if i'm not mistaken). but dude you are wayyyy wrong thinking mkg's ceiling is wallace's. he's built way better physically, and handles the ball wayyy better. still gives you all of the hustle, the steals, the blocks, the dunks. the big difference is the physical presence but i'll argue MKG has bigger balls. wallace played the 4 out of sheer heart and toughness. mkg adds actual muscle to that. that and i will NEVER FORGET that wallace walked out on game tying free throws over a non-injury. so that kwame brown could get plucked off the bench, miss them, and we lose. mkg would never do that. we could be 10-60 and that dude would still step up to the line and shoot them with one arm, one eye, one leg, whatever. in a direct comparison, i'm taking 2009 wallace over mkg right now to win a game today, but i'll take 2012 mkg over 2001 wallace to build around any day. and that's WITH the hindsight.

remember wallace in the dunk contest and all-star game? and team USA tryouts? the guy shied away from all of those big moments. MKG won't. and that matters when you're talking leadership and building a franchise around a guy. they are very similar no doubt, but the edge is clearly to MKG.

there's no telling how big of a game he would have had yesterday had he not picked up so many cheap calls including one that no doubt should have been on mcroberts. the guy was dominant on both ends of the floors. against new york too.

we just beat 2 legit veteran teams on a back to back in the nba without ben gordon and without al jefferson. that's 26 million in payroll sitting out. think about that. look up the stats for nba teams' winning percentage in back to backs. this was extremely impressive.

if they win 35 games like THAT? i'm thrilled. if they win 25 like that i'm thrilled. i just don't see how al jefferson is going to help this team get from where we are now, to becoming a legit contender. at this point, i'm not even sure he helps us win more right now. haven't seen enough to know of course, but the effort and defense has NEVER been his thing and that's what this core group is all about. dude is going to look way out of place and like a weak link.

and we're still getting d'd around with these calls. hansbrough was just dogging zeller and zeller gets the foul call. same thing with gay vs. mkg/taylor.

guys played great last night. henderson still sucks though right?

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 7, 2013 10:48:17 AM

Don't look now slurpers but we are on pace to challenge another NBA record...

...for worst ever!

The 1967 Philadelphia team shot 63.5%, we are currently at 65.4%...if not for that 80-something-% anomaly we'd....well you get it.

Meanwhile, Anthony Davis (at the ripe old age of 20) has a stroke that is smooth as silk and is knocking them down at a 92% clip. Imagine that, a 20 year old basketball player that can s-h-o-o-t...who knew?!?

Heck, we don't have a single player with more than 10 attempts who has a FT% with an 8- handle. Slurp's, this is going to be a a real, big, problem.

Clifford is a class act, feel bad for him. I see Stephen Silas is on the lifetime employment list with Higgins & Whitfield, etc...why?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 11:14:36 AM

charlottean, I know you believe MKG will be better than Gerald, because he's built stronger. Physical ability may, or may not, translate into better accomplishments in the actual ball game. This remains to be seen.

I don't think we have any significant difference of point of view on MKG.
IF in future years he'll achieve more than Gerald, I'll be happy for him.

But there is no need to argue now about future projections; it's a matter of belief (based on factual information, but still belief). Only time will tell.

As for that All Star game, I watched it, and it was so obvious that Gerald was treated like an unwanted "poor relative". He was just happy he made it to there, but the other All Stars were not passing to him.
He was not getting the ball.
What a difference that was, between his dominant presence with the Bobcats, and the way they treated him in that game. Btw, I wasn't the only one who saw that happening then, it was in articles written on that game too.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 11:36:00 AM

yeah i don't disagree, but that's a defining thing about gerald.....he never owned moments. he never took the league to be his. he never established himself as upper echelon among his peers. THAT aspect has a lot to do with upbringing. he was a mcdonald's all american like MKG but he didn't play the level of High school ball in alabama that MKG did in jersey. he wasn't recruited quite the same. he didn't win a national championship as a freshmen and get drafted top 5 (he was going top 5 whether we took him or beal). Wallace is STILL a small town southern boy. the bright lights scare him the way they don't scare MKG at all. talent wise, it's almost identical. physical is obviously towards MKG, but the star potential he possesses is what sets it apart to me.

anybody that was a fan of wallace should be an uber-fan of MKG. Just like anybody that hated diaw should hate mcroberts (the only difference is the dunks).

and seriously......anyone wanting to take on wallace's contract (not you) is an idiot. unless it's for al jefferson, that deal i would do in a minute. jefferson for wallace and anyone of their young bigs (olynk, sullinger, or faverani).

let's talk THAT deal. throw in a protected 1st in THAT deal. let wallace play some 3, some 4, whatever. 20 mpg. sign some autographs, mentor the young'ns, retire a bobca- oh wait.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 7, 2013 11:48:54 AM

Ah coaches, The difference was 1.9 seconds, and you don't get the ball back with that time if we shoot a long basket (as we did) with 1 second left. You get the ball off the rim, high in the air when the buzzer sounds at 0. I can't believe the coaches inability to use effective strategy in game situations. I was happy with the win, but would be pretty upset if I was a Raptor fan.

Posted by: Doug | Nov 7, 2013 11:50:22 AM

Hes, Hendo played well last night CLTN, but one game out of four is not a trend, it's an anomaly. Taylor is the starter on this team by December. You know it or you know nothing about basketball.

Posted by: GO Cats! | Nov 7, 2013 1:04:06 PM

Interesting week 1 for us will curious what happens Friday vs Knicks.
If we can finish November with anything near a .500 record it would be amazing. We have tough schedule coming up mixed with fellow cellar dwellers.
A few follow-ups from comments:
1) Hendo and Jefferson are here for a while so you better just love them and support them at this point.
2) Taylor should be resigned while he is still dirt cheap here soon. He may not be a stud but he is also no dud either.
3) no trades unless expiring contracts and we get some picks or sign and trade of good player back at worse.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 7, 2013 1:21:23 PM

SThfn, last year at end of November we were 7-5, meant nothing. Went 14-55 rest of the way.

Heard an interesting quote on Francesa's show a few minutes ago,"at the beginning of the season it takes bad NBA teams a little while to realize they are bad".

Now, we are hustling, no doubt. Bizmack's effort on the boards cannot be underestimated, he is busting his butt. MKG is really running hard. McRoberts is a smart player. Adrien is a big upside surprise. Jefferson's return will only help. These are nice little positive data points...

...but the facts is most "experts" have us pegged to win fewer than 30 games.


Biz can't shoot FT's (or at all), won't be able to stay on floor if we ever do play a really important game. MKG can't shoot at all. McRobert's is a journeyman, couldn't stick with 4 other teams (but he's one of the taller midgets here), Adrien is a recycled NBA scrub (sorry), Jefferson doesn't play defense (no defense = no playoff wins), etc...

Jordan has promised us a winner, a team that repeatedly gets past the 1st round of the playoffs...

We have:
- Picks of 2, 4, 7, 9 & 31* in last 3 drafts.
- Brilliant Duke pedigree point-forward.
- $14mm virtuoso scoring center.
- $13mm virtuoso scoring guard**.
- Recently re-upped #12 homegrown pick***.
- New coach w/ lots of NBA experience.

And we are still expected to win less than 30 games?

Air Minimum will not deliver on his promise...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 3:11:39 PM

Make that 14-56...there I go, made a mistake.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 3:28:27 PM

I actually agree with Nastar on one of his points *gasp*: there is a reason why the playoffs aren't played in November. No doubt we will have losing as well as winning streaks during the season and then there's the injury bug that no one can predict. Yet there's no denying that this year's team is an upgrade from last year's. As far as how many wins that translates to, who knows? Of course the rest of his post is utter garbage.

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 7, 2013 4:16:15 PM

I bet we win just over 30 games but show hope and promise. Listen I want us to get a top 3 pick next year and not lose our pick.
We get a top 3 and some other picks and pick up some more FA's from Ben and Sessions dropping off the books now that may be a playoff team!

PG: Kemba and unknown
SG: Wiggins (dreaming here), Hendo
SF: FA, MKG, and Taylor
PF: Zeller, McRoberts, FA
C: Al and Biz

We are on big stud of a draft pick and 1 FA from playoff team. Besides most of the big teams may be disbanded with moves over next few years and almost 4-8 teams are already in fully commited rebuild mode.

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Nov 7, 2013 4:20:33 PM

charlottean, I don't want to speculate too much on a trade idea that I don't think will happen.

At this point, I'll only say the same thing I said this morning: I wouldn't support taking over that big, three years, liability that Gerald's contract (signed with the Nets in 2012) is.

If I went by emotion, by the way I feel about all that Gerald did as our franchise player in past seasons, and also by my appreciation of his character, I would say "let's jump on this opportunity !".

But I'm going with my assessment of our team needs, in a future oriented manner, so I'll say no (just as I hate having to say it).

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 7, 2013 4:34:56 PM

I agree with Season Ticket Holder. This team is poised to keep improving. Young players are getting experience and by the end of this year the team will know exactly what they need in the off season to compete. Should be able to address through FA or draft. Impressive rebuilding process.

Posted by: Jamie | Nov 7, 2013 6:10:36 PM

7 wins, 21 wins, seems like a consensus on 30 or so wins this year. Draft picks and free agent cash to spend next year. That sure looks like progress and playoffs in a year. Not bad when you look at what was left after the Larry Brown era. There is one player you would even want from those years. Loos like they made alot of the right moves. You could argue the draft picks, but it doesn't matter if they add a couple good players next year. They will in a good place.

Posted by: Stephen | Nov 7, 2013 6:23:05 PM

And you slurpers castigated me for suggesting losing to the Boob's might put Woodson on the hot seat...

...well slurps, he's on it:


Since your noses are squarely planted in Air Min's backside impossible for you to see past the end of it...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 11:07:51 PM

MKG and Taylor are studs. Both look much improved over last year so far.

Tonight will be intersting. Completely desperate NY team. I would not expect the Cats to win tonight. But that would be a very positive sign if they do.

Posted by: McBob | Nov 8, 2013 6:25:53 AM

Not sure why you guys even engage with this person. Wonder that term "slurpers" seems familiar, has anyone asked if they are Michael Procton? I mean i don't remember if he ever said where he worked. Just Curious.

I feel pretty sure Knicks gonna be coming tonight pissed off. We had better be ready for A FIGHT. Kinda chippy last game. No soft stuff tonight, right now Biz and Adrein look like they are the only two not gonna take any pushing around.

Posted by: Dshtg!! | Nov 8, 2013 9:34:02 AM

sandy - we're saying the same thing regarding the wallace trade.

go cats - no the 4 games is the anomaly when compared to the last 2 entire seasons of henderson's work. it's 1 out of 5 with 4 being the slump and the 1 being back to business as usual. taylor scored a season high of 13 in the game. henderson had that sometime around the end of the 1st quarter, beginning of the 2nd. dude started the game 9 of 12 from the field on jumpers. how can you hate that dude? (other than his college and haircut choice)

doug - the clock difference being 2 means that more than likely the opponent shoots with 3 seconds left on the shot clock, maybe even more. kemba was doing just that before the ball went out of bounds (off toronto?)

had kemba missed the shot and toronto rebounded, they have the ball at half court down 2 with ~ 3 seconds left. which is a better scenario than ball at half court down 4 with 17 seconds left.

the only argument you could make for fouling in that situation was that the bobcats have been horrible at the line thus far this year. but that said, it would be either walker or henderson at the line and they are both solid clutch shooters, henderson having JUST hit a pair the possession prior.

everything worked out PERFECT for us. ball went out of bounds with 5 seconds left, giving us the 3 seconds on the shot clock to kill before lofting one up that would run out the clock.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 8, 2013 1:36:37 PM

Dishrag are you new to the country? You might want to check out a Berlitz or ELS program...

Whoever said the Knicks are a desperate team nailed it -- in complete disarray and leaderless -- they suck . In fact, I feel like we are gonna beat them again (for the third time in 7 games) and if we do Woodson won't be able to sit down again until Thanksgiving due to a burned fanny from that hot seat! Knicks are a 3-point favorite which doesn't make a lot of sense, hard to see them favored over anyone. Melo is the biggest chukker in the league...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 8, 2013 5:00:24 PM

Lol good one...... SFTU!!!!!

Like i said why engage with stupidity! Eventually "IT" will go away.

Posted by: Dshtg!! | Nov 8, 2013 7:42:06 PM

That'll teach me to get constructive on the Boob's....was really hoping Patrick would get his 1st win.

Slurpers, tell me this, why the heck did the NBA ever approve Air Min for ownership of an NBA team? I can think of one reason why they did so...but I can't think of any legitimate reason/s...


Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 8, 2013 10:40:48 PM

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