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November 03, 2013

What coaches can and can't do about players' flaws

Clifford200p There’s a joke among some attached to the Charlotte Bobcats that the players should all wear bands reading “WWSD”

 “What-Would-Stan-Do?”

 The gospel according to Stan Van Gundy is everywhere in Bobcats coach Steve Clifford’s message, and that’s not a bad thing. Former Bobcats coach Larry Brown used to laugh when people called him an innovator because Larry thought his gift for coaching was to watch carefully and steal the best ideas.

 In the same spirit, Clifford considers himself lucky he worked for Stan and Jeff Van Gundy. He learned to value what they value. You can see it in ways obvious and subtle.

 The obvious: Clifford espouses three priorities on defense -- get back in transition, protect the paint and don’t foul needlessly. You can say, “Well, duh!” but this is a function of priorities. In the alternative, the Van Gundy coaching tree discourages gambling for steals because it exposes teammates if it fails.

  The subtle: Like Stan and Jeff, Clifford differentiates between what a coach can impact greatly and what he can’t. That’s not a cop-out. It’s more about holding players accountable for their individual responsibility to the team.

   This is what I mean: Clifford has said several times in the past few months that coaches get too much credit or blame for how “motivated” players appear. That’s a classic Stan-ism. Van Gundy believes motivation comes from within by-and-large. You can get players organized, you can evaluate who is and isn’t motivated, but there’s less a coach can do to invoke motivation on players than fans want to believe.

 Here’s how that applies to Saturday’s bad loss in New Orleans. During the course of post-game interviews I asked Clifford about the Bobcats’ horrible foul-shooting (now last in the NBA at 61.1 percent) and what can be done about it.

 Clifford said he wasn’t trying to “absolve” himself of blame, but there’s only so much coaching can do about various players making their free throws. He said that’s an individual-responsibility issue, too.

 That was classic Stan. Clifford wasn’t dodging the question. I think he was implying that if someone is making millions at the NBA level, and he’s been off from games for six months, then he ought to address his foul-shooting issues. And if that’s not the case, then perhaps that reflects more on the individual than the system.

 Do I think Clifford is doing what he can in practice to make foul-shooting better? Sure. Clifford is what baseball types call a “lifer” – probably too engaged by his job, rather that too little.

 But sometimes liabilities aren’t so simply fixed by coaching.

(Photo: Bobcats coach Steve Clifford. By Gerald Herbert, AP Photo)

Posted by Observer Sports on November 3, 2013 at 07:31 PM | Permalink

Comments

Great artilce! There's a possibility that this team will do well this year and the enthusiasm is there from the fan base prospective. However, the cats still struggles to score and the only consistent scorer so far is Kemba Walker. Don't get me wrong, everyone can play better if they're motivated.....lack of scoring especially from three point range is this team's greatest flaws and I don't think the off season signing of AI and drafting Zeller fourth overall solve the problem. Gordon is the best three point shooter on this team by account of what's said, but actually, Gordon's efficiency has declined since he left Chicago. Signing Tolliver and waiving Mullens was another gamble...If my memory can serve me right, Tolliver has only made one three point play both during the preseason and now. Why was he signed in the first place. Also, Hedo is playing terrible and I'm not sure why he was demanding so much from the team when he's barely making double figures points per game.

Ideally, trade Gordon expiring contract along with MKG and Roman Session. Bundle those contracts for Rudy Gay or perhaps discuss with the Pacers about Granger. They (Pacers) need a point guard and I think Roman Session will be a good backup fit for that team. Think about it and let me know.

Posted by: Bobcats | Nov 3, 2013 8:16:30 PM

Great article.

Just before reading it, I posted a comment questioning Henderson's motivation in working on his shot (free throws included) in practice. To be honest, I always had more questions about Hendo's desire than about his skills (except last season, when he was on fire - after the All Star break AND before getting his new contract...).

But everybody has lower free throw percentages than last season. A shining exception is Jeff Adrien, whose great work ethics are known, and who also needs to work on getting his contract guaranteed.

I don't know what's going on with what appears to be an epidemics of poor commitment to work in practice.
But if this continues, for all of those who won't work on improving their shooting (free throws, and not only), you gotta do something.
Make them run "suicides" until the bad habits change.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 3, 2013 8:35:04 PM

Wow, Rick; you actually wrote something of value.

Maybe, just maybe, you're starting to enjoy basketball again.

Please keep it up.

Posted by: Downtown Sports | Nov 3, 2013 8:44:33 PM

Josh McRoberts is another exception. He made his free throws. My apologies to him (though I don't presume players read fans' comments. They shouldn't).

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 3, 2013 9:02:53 PM

Sounds like a coach already looking for excuses. With all these young players, coach might want to take some responsibility.

Posted by: DD | Nov 3, 2013 10:27:15 PM

Drafting MKG was a colossal mistake. HE CAN'T SHOOT!!!!!!!! He doesn't stretch the floor because he doesn't have any range beyond a layup. The team plays 3 on 5 on offense when MKG and Biyombo are on the floor together. Henderson just isn't a consistent shooting guard.

Posted by: Jon | Nov 3, 2013 10:59:20 PM

So much for player development. Not a great story when you have 3 players 21 or under and you will probably add 3 more next year. How do kids with zero or one year of college understand what to work on and how to do it? What's next. "I really don't understand all this stuff about analytics" Did the Bobcats rehire Larry Brown? Get ready to trade for some marginal vets once we lose a few games. Can this team stay with a direction for 5 minutes?

Posted by: James | Nov 4, 2013 6:32:57 AM

What I saw against the Pelicans was absolutely NO INSIDE GAME. The Bobcats were limited to outside shooting with Walker & Sessions attempting to carry the load. Again we saw the Incredible Shrinking Henderson and the No Shot MKG. Taylor was nothing to brag about either.

Posted by: Airbrush2020 | Nov 4, 2013 7:47:13 AM

you gotta be in the water to learn to swim.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 4, 2013 8:06:29 AM

Two more spectacular games from Gerald. NOT. He is not a producer on either end, and he is being outplayed by the reserves. I know we overpaid him with the contract, but if he can't contribute he needs to go. In an ideal world, we package Gerald, Gordon, and one of our picks. Come on Cho, your moves have been gold, you have to be able to see this!

Posted by: GO CATS!! | Nov 4, 2013 9:16:12 AM

what reserve outplayed him? gordon? taylor? because they definitely didn't.

the guy has had 3 horrible games but he has a track record of being very solid.

that said, i'm not at all against packaging him for an upgrade as i've mentioned evan turner as being an obvious pick (henderson is a philly native). we absolutely did NOT overpay him at 6 million a year for 3 years. the guy is worth every penny. to the point where he probably opts out after 2 years and gets MORE money elsewhere after that.

i swear some of you guys don't watch the games at all. you're commenting based on 3 games and ignoring the entire year he had last year. which is the bigger sample size?

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 4, 2013 9:25:59 AM

I've been harping on Shorty's FT shooting (or lack thereof) from the get go -- Clifford agrees with me, poor work ethic combined with not taking personal responsibility.

High school girls all over Indiana shoot over 90% but Shorty can't manage it despite having nothing else to do but get paid to work at the game of basketball. Pitiful.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 4, 2013 9:51:27 AM

CLTN, I have been there since day 1 as well, you don't hold the record for games watched although I don't think you understand a lot of what you see. Jeff Taylor has outplayed Hendo in EVERY game so far. Hendo was god for a 25 game stretch last year, and was horrible the three previous seasons. We all know you love him and Dook, but get over yourself. He sucks.

Posted by: GO CATS!! | Nov 4, 2013 9:57:00 AM

At this point what other team would want Hendo?

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 4, 2013 10:30:02 AM

apauldds, no other team wanted him last year, hard to see how any would have come around since...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 4, 2013 11:18:40 AM

This is squarely on Clifford. When the team is here as much as it was reportedly here this off-season, he needs to take care of it. The guy who shoots 80% at the line is the least of the teams worries. MKG, Zeller, Biz, Taylor need to work on their free throws and the coach needs to make sure it happens.

Posted by: James | Nov 4, 2013 12:02:17 PM

NASCAR, who are you refering to as "Shorty"? Walker? I hope you are talking about Sessions. He is a terrible, selfish chucking back up PG. Not only is he terrible at PG, but why play him and Kemba at the same time?

Charlottean loves to live in the past with these players. What Henderson did last year is just that......LAST YEAR! He has ALWAYS been inconsistent as a shooter. HAVING CONSISTENCY IS VITAL AS A SHOOTING GUARD IN THE NBA!!

Posted by: D.W.G. | Nov 4, 2013 12:24:27 PM

What about all the turnovers? I don't know what's worse: Bobcats throwing the ball away while trying to imitate Magic Johnson passes, or turning over the ball just from lack of effort/lack of focus.

Posted by: Gamera | Nov 4, 2013 12:44:18 PM

Bobcats are being patient. They have to be. This time will not make playoffs this season and tanking should never be an option. Zoeller at the pick can be debatable but not until after a few years of playing. Clifford has been in league for a long time and the culture of Cats needs to change. I bet he is here for a long time.

Posted by: Kenny | Nov 4, 2013 1:18:44 PM

Let's not forget that bonnell is a big fan of clifford's cotton candy approach with the players on this team. what will be their excuses when they don't win 21 games?

Posted by: hootEvers | Nov 4, 2013 2:46:24 PM

Sessions is 6'3"....certainly not short.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 4, 2013 3:33:56 PM

Coach Clifford believes in a positive motivation approach; he's not a screamer.
But when players don't respond to it the right way, you need to hold them accountable. Accountability involves consequences.

Bernie Bickerstaff is a very good man, who always got the 'Cats to play hard. The talent he had to work with was limited, but he got the most out of it.

Accountability was central to his approach. Just ask Jamal Sampson and Kareem Rush (those were the most extreme cases of Bernie using accountability).

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 4, 2013 4:45:25 PM

living in the past? or are you overreacting to 3 bad games from a guy that has FACTUALLY performed better over the long run?

I don't get you guys that just make ish up.


how has taylor outplayed henderson thus far? they've both been horrible thus far. taylor is 5 for 23 from the field and 8 of 15 from the line in 3 games. that's "clearly better"??????

the eff is wrong with you people?

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 4, 2013 4:53:03 PM

At least if we play as bad as we have, we can draft a great shooting guard or a small forward as the 2014 draft should be full of them.

Posted by: MJ | Nov 4, 2013 5:27:32 PM

Walker had zero assists against the Pelicans. That's total crap. Actually that whole game game was total crap!

Posted by: Hugo Panther | Nov 4, 2013 9:28:46 PM

Point: Charlottean

Henderson is absolutely valuable at 6M per year.

Posted by: Downtown Sports | Nov 4, 2013 11:48:11 PM

Agreed on Henderson at 6 million. Problem is that at some point you need a serious player and scorer at the 2 or the 3. I don't believe the Bobcats have one. Maybe the draft or free agency next year.

Posted by: James | Nov 5, 2013 7:46:20 AM

Charlottean: I agree with you 100%. I have no love affair with Duke and Henderson has had a 3-game rough patch. That's it.

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is we signed Big Al and basically revamped the entire offense around his post game and kick outs, which include Gordon, Kemba, Hendo, Taylor, McBob and Tolliver to get behind the arc and shoot more 3's! Instead, you have Biz and his still brick-like hands and 5ppg down there instead. The entire offensive system that was implemented a month BEFORE training camp has had to be abandoned.

It's a lot simpler than you guys are making it out to be. Stop blaming Coach, Hendo, Kemba. The Pelicans game was atrocious. At least 25 teams have already had an ugly performance.

Tune in and chill the eff out.

Posted by: Murdock | Nov 5, 2013 8:18:49 AM

And, another thing:

Go to the weekday games against mediocre opponents, not just the sexy ones on the weekends. A lot of those weekday games are going to be the extremely close games that our crowd can truly impact W's for the home team. The Cavs opener was electric and the place was 80% full. It was loud and the team was fired up by the crowd. It's a proven fact that fans can get players to play harder, tougher, faster. This team has those traits in them. Let's help bring it out of them.

Posted by: Murdock | Nov 5, 2013 8:25:13 AM

MKG and Biz should be in the D league.You can not have them on the court at the end of games. Age has nothing to do with how bad these player are, we should bundle them for a shooter and a draft pick.Also we now see why no team would pay 4 million for Henderson , he is just not that good!

Posted by: Great Today | Nov 5, 2013 11:19:48 AM

al farouq aminu is a POOR MAN's MKG and he's still starting in the league and still can't shoot. and he was a #8 pick.

MKG is better than him NOW and he's 4 years younger.

but sure....keep spewing things that just aren't factually correct. larry sanders just got a 50 million extension.....check his numbers vs. biz' thus far.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 5, 2013 12:16:28 PM

I agree that there's only so much a coach can do but I remember Larry Brown having an assistant run a free throw clinic for players that were struggling from the line. As I recall our FT percentage went up as a result.

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 5, 2013 12:31:03 PM

it was dell curry if i'm not mistaken.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 5, 2013 3:49:34 PM

Wow, the Knicks are just horrible.

Remember you slurpers got all bent when I mentioned the stability of Woodson's employment? Knicks lose tonight and he is on extremely thin ice -- this game is a must not lose contest for them.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 5, 2013 8:54:09 PM

Looks like Clifford got his point across about FT's...

...let's see of they can maintain it thru Q4 and into another game.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 5, 2013 9:37:54 PM

^^^^lets see if you can go away idiot.

Posted by: James | Nov 5, 2013 11:08:43 PM

Bobcats owner Jordan no fan of tanking for draft picks

Posted Nov 1, 2013 1:06 PM - Updated Nov 1, 2013 8:55 PM

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/11/01/jordan-on-tanking.ap/

Seen that?

Air Min says: Michael Jordan scoffs at the idea of tanking games.

The fiery 14-time All-Star who helped the Chicago Bulls to six NBA championships simply doesn't have it in his makeup to intentionally lose games this season just so his Charlotte Bobcats can get a better draft pick next year.

Forget that the NBA would likely hand down a hefty fine and fans would probably boycott if a team admitted to doing that, the Bobcats owner said purposely losing games is just not part of his competitive DNA.

"I don't know if some teams have thought of that. That's not something that we would do," Jordan told The Associated Press on Friday. "I don't believe in that."

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What an incredible hypocrite. What the heck were the last 2 years?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 5, 2013 11:21:32 PM

Dave Rothenberg on ESPN Radio just said this about Knicks...

..."this is as bad a loss as you can suffer in the regular season".

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 5, 2013 11:32:31 PM

So what is it you do now that you were fired by the Bobcats? Oh yeah. That is clear. What a pathetic loser. You family has to be so proud. Tanking? Sounds like your career. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 2:53:24 AM

Guess which baller (and I use that term loosely) tops the list of "NBA Players No One Will Pass To"....??

Hint1: we gave a #7 for him.
Hint2: nobody really knows his true age, could be 21, might be 27, it's a toss up.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nba-players-no-one-will-pass-to-1459027648/@barryap

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 9:13:46 AM

Of course there was tanking. But it's over.

Even though there was losing on purpose for the sake of higher draft picks, Michael Jordan's past statements showed that our team's badness in the past two seasons was below management expectations. As in, "we planned on being bad, but THAT bad ?!!".

Again, that's over.

There is nothing hypocritical about Michael Jordan's interview above quoted, as far as his present and future plans go (and the quote above specifically refers to this season).

With his fiery competitive nature, he's beyond sick and tired of lousiness.
We're moving up, step by step. And we'll have more high lottery picks, without tanking.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 9:15:14 AM

Looks like the guys got the wake-up call on free throws. Two days of work in practice account for a shift, from 58% (in N.O.) to 81% (in N.Y.). For MOST of our players, it's not about learning to shoot, it's about working steadily on "keeping skills sharp".

And of course, the rebounding was excellent.
Making the free throws, prevailing in rebounding, being better than the opponents in the transition game - all these are about hard work. For the Bobcats, the N.O. game was the exception, not the rule.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 9:40:13 AM

Guess which poster was fired by the Bobcats? Hint, he still hasn't found another job and spends most of his time making negative comments on blogs about the team. Also thinks Tyrus Thomas is still on the team.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 11:12:30 AM

Concur 100% on the FT wakeup call. Knicks are getting crushed on sports radio in the NYC area, complete disbelief and embarrassment about the whupping they took last night -- Friday should be real interesting. I'm pretty sure the Bob's led all 48 minutes?

As for being a hypocrite...

NBA.com article said: "the Bobcats owner said purposely losing games is just not part of his competitive DNA."

Direct quote from MJ: "I don't know if some teams have thought of that. That's not something that we would do," Jordan told The Associated Press on Friday. "I don't believe in that."

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In review:
1. "not part of his competitive DNA"
2. "not something that we would do"
3. "I don't believe in that"

So you're saying the clock only starts on DNA, intentions, and beliefs -- this year?

Now that's hypocritical too!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 11:14:03 AM

Anybody outside of Charlotte North Carolina is the last to know absolutely anything about The two Franchises here. Even the people that are paid to know. Their only job is to know Basketball and Football and they choose wait and see on Charlotte.
Just like the National Analysts about the panthers are clueless, so are the Analysts and fans about this up and coming team. In a few months they wont feel so bad about these losses they are going to have.

Posted by: Dshtg!! | Nov 6, 2013 12:09:03 PM

Nice win for the Cats. Out-rebounded the Knicks 51-33.

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 6, 2013 12:23:27 PM

Tanking was always in contradiction with Michael Jordan's super-competitive spirit.
Always.

Yet, he adopted it as a stratagem for the rebuilding process. It was meant to be used for a limited time, it brought some results in the draft (pretty good, though not the best we could've hoped for), and it is past by now.

To sum up: tanking never was what MJ "felt" like doing, it was done based on a cold calculation.
His current plans don't involve this calculation any longer - though the argument was made, that it might've been useful for one more season. His current plans reflect just this: his extremely competitive nature.

"The fiery 14-time All-Star who helped the Chicago Bulls to six NBA championships simply doesn't have it in his makeup to intentionally lose games this season just so his Charlotte Bobcats can get a better draft pick next year."
Perfectly accurate, no hypocrisy.


Now, would you like a full disclosure from him - or Cho, or Higgins - on the past seasons stratagem ?!
You know better than that. This was never done, in the whole long history of NBA teams tanking, for very good reasons.

MJ was as truthful as possible in that interview. Where the team is headed now and how this is related to his competitive nature, this is all that matters now.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 12:31:48 PM

I don't think any team is purposely tanking. Getting rid of bad contracts sure. But that is aprt of all sports. To say MJ was purposely trying to lose games is just ignorant.

Posted by: Adam | Nov 6, 2013 1:46:34 PM

Hey Nastar. What year were you fired by the Bobcats? Was that prior to your tanking theory or after?

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 1:48:37 PM

Excuses and lame rationalizations...kinda unlike you Sandy. That interview is absolutely chock full of outright lies, just pitiful.

One thing I know for a fact, "cold calculation" is not in Air Minimum's skill set.

Hey, anyone figure out the "NBA Players No One Will Pass To" riddle yet?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 2:08:36 PM

Thank you for confirming your dismissal from the Bobcats and the reason behind your one man crusade to post anything negative you can.

Now that is has been confirmed. What year again? Just give the people some perspective.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 2:20:04 PM

Adam, that's nothing new.
Yes, team managements occasionally tank seasons. They build hopeless rosters with the purpose of improving their chances for high draft picks.

Or, viewed from a different angle, they don't build up the best roster they could build (through free agency and trades).

They give up on good players for lesser ones and/or for draft picks; this is typical tanking. It means: it's OK to lose more now, as long as that improves your future draft chances - and from there, the chances of building up a young talented team.

You may not have followed this, but there were a lot of arguments between Bobcats' fans, since our rebuilding project started, as to whether this is the best way to go or not. But, amid all the arguing, there was no disagreement that this was the way the team chose. "Get worse first, so you'll get better later". If I remember correctly, Rich Cho said something like this pretty openly.

Tanking was not invented by Michael Jordan or by Rich Cho. There will always be teams doing it, as long as the draft system provides an incentive.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 2:26:34 PM

Yes, Nastar, that was cold calculation, when they traded our franchise player (who at that time could still play at a high level - that was in 2010, not 2012 or 2013) for minor players (who were not even kept with the team afterwards) and draft picks.

Again, as far as what matters now goes (the current plans), the interview is truthful. I can't ask for any more in an interview.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 2:34:09 PM

Adam, so you're suggesting we chalked up the single worst season in NBA history (EVER!) by accident? Talk about ignorance...

A few facts for you slurpers...

-NBA started 1947, has 67 complete seasons.
-# of NBA teams was 8 at the low, now 30 (the high).
-NBA teams have played 1,334 aggregate seasons.

Out of 1,334 campaigns in NBA history, ever, Air Min authored THE SINGLE WORST! EVER!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 2:49:14 PM

Sorry for an imprecision (happens, when posting in a rush): Gerald Wallace was traded in February 2011 (season '10-'11), not in 2010.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 2:55:19 PM

No problem. Even I screw up now and then. Rare, but it happens...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 3:10:11 PM

PS...as for the Wallace trade, either Air Min or His Choness is the bonehead in that deal -- which is it?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 3:12:44 PM

Gerald was traded in February 2011, Rich Cho was hired about four months later.

How good, or bad, that trade was, this was the subject of huge arguments between fans. It would make no sense to restart those now.

I only mentioned it as part of explaining the reality of tanking for the draft, in response to a fan.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 3:35:51 PM

Arguing about the Wallace trade now is like arguing the "what ifs" that could've resulted in the South winning the Civil War. What's done is done. Anyone really want a franchise built around Gerald Wallace now?

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 6, 2013 4:02:47 PM


- Tyrus Thomas will not be amnestied.
- Bobcats are losing money
- Team will not change the name
- Kemba will be in the Italian league.
- etc. etc. etc.

NASTAR screws up once in awhile? Understatement of the year.

Obviously you are a coward hiding behind your little keyboard calling people names and taking shots you never would in public, but not talking about your termination is another level. WIMPY WIMPY WIMPY. Just write another negative comment. That would be unexpected.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 4:13:39 PM

Evidently, apauldds.

Again, it was mentioned only as an example, to clarify what "tanking for the draft" is, for anybody who didn't follow the arguments when they were relevant.

Posted by: Sandy | Nov 6, 2013 5:03:13 PM

it appears that when the bobcats win in a game that walker, MKG, taylor, AND henderson all have good-great games.....heads of the clowns on here explode.


MKG belongs in the d-league? that dude just outplayed carmello last night. held melo to 10 of 28, had 3 blocks, a steal, 8 boards and 16 points? dude balled like no hair©drake.

melo took 35 possessions to score those 32 points. when MELO gives you less than a point per possession, the defense is SOLID.

and like i referenced.......there were a TON of those suspect superstar calls from the refs. zeller, biz, taylor, mkg, and henderson were all on the wrong end of horrible judgments handed down. THIS was a huge, legit win.

i really do NOT see how jefferson fits into this equation. how do walker/taylor/mkg/zeller/hendo/biz or even Mcroberts fit into the game plan of post up al all the time. that doesn't make any sense what so ever. none of those dudes are elite spot up shooters or even iso scorers to compliment jefferson. you could argue that zeller could compliment with mid range shooting and MKG could with basket cuts, but that's a stretch.

jeff adrien isn't just playing himself into a guaranteed deal this year, he's playing himself into a core position for future years. that dude could absolutely be the 10th man of the rotation on an elite team. he defines what you want from a glue guy off the bench.

zeller looked good. he showed you the drive, the jumper, the hustle. and they didn't give him credit for the tip back that DEFINITELY was in the air with .1 on the block. new york got the calls. zeller is going to be a player, imagine what he's going to do when he's not getting all the rookie calls like that BS post up foul he picked up.


but seriously....saying MKG belongs in the d-league and/or is a bust....is no different than the BS that NASTAR spews.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 6, 2013 5:13:21 PM

Big Al could've given us 20-10 last night, especially when Chandler went out. There might be an awkward adjustment period when he comes back but adding a new dimension of post scoring can only be a good thing at this point.

Posted by: apauldds | Nov 6, 2013 5:24:47 PM

Successful trades are defined by the needs of the respective teams. There does not have to be a "bonehead" in the Wallace deal. That is an incredibly simplistic view.

Posted by: Bball Expert | Nov 6, 2013 6:09:43 PM

So Bball Expert describe how that trade was a win-win for both MJ and Cho... Are all NBA trades a win-win in your estimation? If not, what % do you think are a win-win?

Are "core position" and "10th man of the rotation" mutually exclusive terms? Adrien's action is good, no doubt...he certainly rates higher than 10th in our rotation doesn't he?

No takers on the "NBA Players No One Will Pass To"? Like it never happened... http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nba-players-no-one-will-pass-to-1459027648/@barryap

Ya'll see G'Man's tweet last night?

**Mike Gminski ‏@gman43duke 23h -- I really believe that Jeff Taylor is going to be the key to this season for the Bobcats. He is the guy that can spread the floor w/ Kemba!**

Thoughts?

"...Jeff Taylor is going to be the key to this season..."

Bonnell of a similar mindset.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 8:27:18 PM

One-and-done on those FT's huh? 56% for Boob's while opposition at 84%, game over otherwise.

First 10 rows behind BooBench less than 50% full.

Just facts...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 6, 2013 9:18:10 PM

^^^^terminated by the Bobcats. That is a fact that only gets clearer. Sad. Very very sad little man.

Posted by: Bobnet | Nov 6, 2013 10:22:08 PM

MKG was key tonight. 6 for 7. Played some serious defense. At 19 the ceiling is very high for this kid. Love the paring of him at the 3 and Taylor at the 2, Very effective for this team on back to back nights. Gives them a ton of flexibility. That is 2 nights in a row where it felt like Clifford was he better coach.

Posted by: DD | Nov 6, 2013 10:28:56 PM

When is MKG's birthday? He gonna be 19 forever?

He certainly is playing hard....gotta give him that.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 11:13:19 AM

september and he's 20. biz and zeller 21. taylor 24, kemba 23. hendo 26 in december. that's the group we're rolling with.

mcroberts doesn't turn 27 until february. sessions is 27.


show me miami's line of haslem, birdman, bosh, lebron, wade, lewis, allen, etc. chalmers is young by their standards and he's 27. cole is the only young'n and he's 25. these guys are like 8-9 years older than our guys. that matters. arguing to the contrary just goes against every statistical trend.

never been a team to win a ring with 20-25 year olds.

and suggesting that MKG has peaked at 20 is about as dumb as it gets. even where he's at is NBA starting caliber. and that's at 20. imagine 24.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 7, 2013 11:38:05 AM

I was just pointing it out to that other fella who seems to think MKG is and will be 19 forever.

Hey, heard of this guy Anthony Davis? Guy is 20 years old.

You should see this Davis kid shoot, beeeeeyooootiful stroke -- going 92% from the line right now.

A 20 year old kid who can S-H-O-O-T, imagine that!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 7, 2013 11:25:21 PM

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