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December 29, 2013

Steve Clifford raising the bar on what you should expect from the Charlotte Bobcats

Jeff and Stan Van Gundy are brothers, they’re not identical twins. I find Jeff a little more of a political animal than Stan, who doesn’t spend much time caring how others perceive him.

            But here’s the way they’re notably similar: They both will say what they think, particularly when something is going the wrong way.

            It’s pretty obvious the last week that’s one of the lessons Steve Clifford learned from the Van Gundy brothers.

            Clifford is uncomfortable with his players not entirely grasping how small this team’s margin for error is. He likes his team. He admires their character and competitiveness. But it’s apparent he thinks all the recent losing in Charlotte sets the bar too low.

            Here’s what Clifford said pre-game in Atlanta Saturday: “For us to win we have to be exceptional guarding and exceptional in rebounding.”

            Here’s what he said after they blew a 16-point lead to the Atlanta Hawks to lose in overtime: “We have to get past the point where everybody is happy the Bobcats don’t get beaten every night. We’re better than that.”

            Here’s what I find interesting: Many coaches – and this is understandable – try to lower expectations to protect their job security. Clifford doesn’t want to continue a perception that the bar is so low that any improvement is achievement.

            That’s a little edgy and daring. And very Van Gundy.

Posted by Observer Sports on December 29, 2013 at 02:28 AM | Permalink


Why don't you ever print to the real problems w this team ? Jefferson and Kemba are terrible defenders and terrible help defenders . That both are black holes . Jefferson never passes to cutters when doubled and Kemba forces tons of shots at the rim which causes run outs never facilitating when he gets inside . That this team will continue to lose close games until both become willing passers , run the pick and roll and allow the roller to make plays , play better on ball defense and involve teammates in the game . There's no point gd leadership in crunch time , only one one one . They have lost at least 8 games bc of the aforesaid and will never make the playoffs until these matters are corrected . Print the truth . These teammates of theirs can make layups . Okc had 6 back doors . If you go back door or cut on this team , you will never get the ball . Kemba refuses to hit the roller on the pick and roll or even run it . He goes under the screen on teague all game and gets burned bc he's lazy . Print the truth as other writers do in other cities .

Posted by: Iron man | Dec 29, 2013 5:48:33 AM

Jefferson looked at Miilsap all night after he got past McRoberts , providing zero help defense . The last shot in regulation was on him . Milsap made critical goals on him down the stretch where he stood stiff as a board getting driven on . On the other end , he gets doubled , sees cutters and never makes the pass . Now all they do is stand there and not cut watching him attempt to force a shot out of a double or triple team . This is the same knock on him at his last two stops . .. No defense and never moves the ball . Who would really want to play w him? Then you have the sg at point who's trying to make the Allstar team . He went 6 for 17 against Okc . He's 4 for 18 tonight and refused to stop shooting despite being covered . They build a wall to the rim on him . Someone has to be open bc he's always doubled but he dribbles w his head down . He never see advances the ball w the pass on the break killing any transition . Make a trade or fire Clifford unless he makes some changes in how these two play . Tolliver played lights out defense . Sessions was very good too but when these two are in w Jefferson and Kemba , they get ignored . Fire Clfford unless he makes them play defense and move the ball to cutters . Fire Clifford unless he runs some plays involving ball movement , man movement and MULTIPLE SCREENS in crunch time instead of the same old one on one stuff out of Jefferson and Kemba which is totally covered .

Posted by: Iron man | Dec 29, 2013 6:01:49 AM

^^^^you do realize this is the most games they have won to start a season in their history. Also, with basically the same team, they were in the middle of a 20 plus games losing streak at this point last season. You might want to keep this coach. Now expecting Higgins to get him better players with his trade and draft track record? That is another story. Diop or Tyrus Thomas should be showing up any minute. Maybe he can bring Corey Higgins back. That would really help.

Posted by: John | Dec 29, 2013 7:43:54 AM

Iron Man...lay off the caffeine!

Posted by: Fred S | Dec 29, 2013 7:46:28 AM

Ironman's comments are valid. No doubt the team is much improved over last year with Jefferson. Al is a poor defender who expends his energy on the offensive side of the ball and with defensive rebounding. He's really an old-school power forward that would benefit from playing beside a big athletic long 5 who could defend the paint & block shots while having the speed to play high-post and hit long jumpers. We also need a SF that can shoot.

Posted by: Bassman | Dec 29, 2013 9:00:30 AM

Team needs alot of things, but they have made a nice jump this year. Big offseason for them coming up.

Posted by: DD | Dec 29, 2013 9:45:31 AM

Iron Man is spot on. Kemba, when good, is good, but when he's bad, he's very, very bad. Last night looked sick, like he had flu or something, just wasn't in it.

Posted by: eduardo | Dec 29, 2013 10:19:43 AM

How would folks feel about signing Chris Bosh this summer as a free agent? His defensive versatility might pair well with Jefferson as would Bosh's ability to shoot from range as he demonstrated last night in knocking out a tough Portland team.

Bosh plus draft pickups of a big backup pg and a three point shooter to go with a healthy Taylor and MKG, we could be something.

Posted by: Jeff | Dec 29, 2013 11:36:25 AM


I agree with some of your points. There have been more backdoor cuts lately but Rick has written about them and Clifford has repeatedly talked about them. I like Hendo but I think it's time to upgrade that position first. They need to replace Sessions, Gordon andHendo w/ people who can hit 3ball. Or they need to improve dramatically. Our d hinges on having MKG or Taylor on the court and it's apparent when they are not there. We are a top 5 defense still which is much better than I had hoped

Posted by: Spaceman mike | Dec 29, 2013 11:43:39 AM

he's raising the bar of expectations while not raising the talent level of the young guys. he's acting like we have the talent to win now. and we just don't. building an offense to stand around a post up threat 20-30 times a game hurts damn near every other offensive player's game.

you guys are impressed by who we've beaten? we lost to utah and took overtime miracles to beat utah and milwaukee. lost in overtime to atlanta without horford. we aren't contenders and he's leading us into long term mediocrity instead of building a contender from the ground.

this is larry brown all over again.

Posted by: charlottean | Dec 29, 2013 1:26:32 PM

I was kidding about firing Clifford . Lol. Just trying to wake him up . Bosh would be a great pick up bc you need a shot blocker , scorer and two way vet at pf . Plus you need a sf that can stretch the floor . Hendo gets to the line whc is better than the three ball ESP in big games or playoffs as the three point shooters get easily shut down . Bring in a specialist at sg or sf as a three ball guy but I think Tolliver can be the guy if you get him the ball . As a back up sf . Sfs stretch the floor more than sgs . Think 3 and d guys like Battier . We can pick up a 3 and d guy wo breaking the bank . Or get Affalo at sf . Still , you must get a big , strong , defending , pass first pt gd to back Kemba up and to temper him when he's bad . He's trying to make the all star team . Don't expect him to stop forcing stuff anytime soon .

Posted by: Iron man | Dec 29, 2013 2:25:19 PM

I want this team and Charlotte to do well overall but man, it's tough sometimes being a fan of this squad when you watch other exciting NBA teams like Golden State, Portland, OKC and Indiana. One thing for sure though, this coaching staff is legit. That's the only reason why they have a 14-17 record so far. And I appreciate Coach Clifford "raising the bar." This team is too comfortable with losing. But they are a superstar short of being somewhat consistent. And how do you let someone made a one-legged three-pointer?!?!?! Ugh.

Posted by: Will | Dec 29, 2013 6:10:11 PM

The Bobcats need to seriously try to find a point guard. Kemba is a shooting guard who needs to come off the bench. He makes poor decisions and doesn't play any defense. Whoever Kemba guards is always open for 3 pointers or they drive by Kemba for layups.

Posted by: Jon | Dec 29, 2013 7:29:34 PM

"^^^^you do realize this is the most games they have won to start a season in their history."

You do realize the Boob's are the worst franchise in NBA history so their "best start" still sucks a trailer hitch by any reasonable standard, don't you?

Good to see a lot of folks are coming around to the fact that Shorty ain't the solution at PG.

Back to you Iron man!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Dec 29, 2013 10:06:45 PM

PG Ramon Sessions
SG Kemba Walker
SF Gerald Henderson
PF AL Jefferson
C Bismack Biyumbo

Trade Ben Gordon and a 2nd rd pick
To the Lakers
Steve Nash and SG/SF Nick Young
When MKG returns,
Start him and Henderson and put Kemba back at PG

Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Dec 29, 2013 11:04:18 PM

The comments about who they have beaten are funny. At the same time it is completely disregarded that they have been competitive in almost every single game even against some of the leagues best. Wouldn't that indicate they are actually better not worse than their record? Either way it doesn't matter. They are obviously rebuilding well. Improved win totals 3 straight seasons and this is the best shape they have been in with picks and cap space in a long long time. Should take another step forward.

Posted by: DD | Dec 30, 2013 7:39:09 AM

^^^Don't forget it looks like they have finally found a coach. That is key. Love his comments. That is the opposite of most coaches and front office types. Really like this guy.

Posted by: Mike T. | Dec 30, 2013 8:45:06 AM

I am definitely a glass half full guy when it comes to this team. You gotta crawl before you can walk and the Cats are making steady progress. The injuries to MKG and Taylor are having a big impact on defense that the team will need to learn to overcome.

Charlottean says it's Larry Brown all over again but the big difference is LB got us the 7th seed by spending us into salary cap hell. There is far more upside with this team.

Posted by: apauldds | Dec 30, 2013 10:47:53 AM

^^^Agreed. It is only LB again if management lets it be LB again. Would be nice to play the young guys more, but as long as they don't make bad deals with long term cap implications, they will be fine. If someone call up offering Diop, they should pass.

Good point on MKG and Taylor. If those guys were playing they would have won some of those close games.

Posted by: Spencer | Dec 30, 2013 11:43:12 AM

larry brown won 44 games in a competitive eastern conference. we're 14-17 and bracing for 4 straight west coast road games (and this is the easier western conference road trip this year).

we're 11 games from the top, but only 7 from the bottom. how do you guys not see this? we're 4 games removed from being the 2nd worst team in the east.

this is not a good team. and i like a lot about clifford, but he showed he's not very smart by calling his team out after they played to the best of their abilities against OKC and that's AFTER he promoted jeff adrien because of a misleading statistic with small sample size that measures nothing.

do you guys even watch basketball?

our best player is MKG and you guys think he's a bust. same crowd of braniacs that thought marty hurney was a horrible GM even though we have ANOTHER panthers team he built heading to the playoffs with a 1st round bye.

we got beat by utah, taken to OT by the raptors and milwaukee in the same week.

we have beaten ONE TEAM with an above .500 record and that was the warriors AT HOME. you can't beat a bunch of bad teams, still be 3 games below .500 headed out on a west coast road trip and be a good team. i would be optimistic about our future if we were developing our future in the process. we aren't. one's out for the season, one had a diminished role BEFORE missing a month with a broken hand, another had a diminished role based on a BS stat and the rookie is getting the utah special (see how that's working out for enes kanter?)

Posted by: charlottean | Dec 30, 2013 2:32:50 PM


I don't quite understand your logic. You have said that the Coach is bad and the players are not developing. You also said that MKG is their best player. If the coach is bad and the players are not developing, how are they winning more games without MKG than in the past when they had a better coach and MKG. Could it be possible that Clifford is a good coach and the players are developing but the problem is in the draft?

It seems to me that if you continually draft defensive players with limited offensive skills, it would be logical that you are one of the best defensive teams and one of the worst offensive teams in the NBA. Most of the games that they lost against the teams above .500 was because of a lack of outside shooters during crunch time. I think that this could be a good team if they acquire a couple of good shooters through the draft or free agency to complement the players that they have.

The idea of tanking was not going to happen once they signed big Al who is the most legitimate player that they have ever had. Many of the close games that they have lost would have been wins if MKG was playing. Unless they start their reserves the rest of the season, they are not going to get one of the top 10 picks in the draft so get over it.

Posted by: MJ | Dec 30, 2013 7:11:27 PM

i don't think clifford is BAD. sam vincent was BAD.

i'm not saying MKG is playing the best ball of everyone, i'm saying he's the best guy. and he's NOT limited offensively. he's limited in range, but he's HIGHLY skilled offensively. we just don't have a coach that believes in him.

the problem isn't the draft. you can't draft that many mcdonald's all americans and ncaa all americans and champions and have that kind of pedigree lead to success for every other nba franchise but ours and blame the players. it's what happens to the players after the draft. it's playing out of position, not playing at all, not playing to strength, not being thrown into the water so to speak.

there's no effing reason why we should have an offense built entirely around al jefferson being the post up option, biz be his backup, biz be shooting over 65% from the field and leading the team in PPP and PPS, and NOT ONCE running a designed post up for the guy. even after he's shown a solid ability to score with his back to the basket with the hook shot. clifford's response to biz is "rebound and block shots" - which he already does at an upper echelon level. how does biz get better offensively if he's never given the chance? same thing applies to zeller. everyone complains about the jumper not falling and the sometimes off balance drives........dude never gets the ball on the block. not once.

beyond the million complaints about the lack of player development we're seeing (which is what causes the draft picks to suck), there's just no evidence that the group we have playing right now is ANY GOOD. 20th in hollinger metrics. 3 games below .500 while playing the majority of our games at home and against eastern conference opponents (weak).

this isn't a good team. so what is the point? what are they doing? what is the goal? steal an 8 seed that nobody wants while alienating your young talent, losing your draft pick, and not getting better or younger?

great. brilliant plan.

Posted by: charlottean | Dec 30, 2013 10:23:22 PM

Trade Kemba.

Posted by: the Dude | Dec 30, 2013 10:41:24 PM

…and keep MKG, by the way. Dude is going to be an elite defender, and is almost one now-

Posted by: the Dude | Dec 30, 2013 10:43:37 PM

I hear you in development. But don't discount drafting. How much had Trey Burke played this year? Absolutely the best looking player on the court tonight. All talent. Another guy many teams missed.

Posted by: Steve | Dec 30, 2013 11:55:03 PM

^^^^its amazing how other teams find guys like Burke that step right in and don't need 3 or 4 years of development. The Bobcats consistently miss in the draft. Will it ever stop? How about finding one above average player. Utah sent 2 of their best players packing last year, are supposed to be tanking and still have more talent than the Bobcats. And it is not even close. What the hell.....

Posted by: Danny | Dec 31, 2013 8:02:28 AM

I think Charlottean is being way too negative. Look at how we're playing the elite teams this year, losing by a few points. Last year we would be losing by 30. Learning how to close out close games is something a young team has to learn and it will come with experience and adding the right puzzle pieces. Even with MKG and Taylor out the product on the floor is improved from last season.

Posted by: apauldds | Dec 31, 2013 9:46:15 AM

Our defense is always very good, one of the best in the league. But last night the offense was below the team's average in every regard.
There was poor team work, poor ball and players movement, very few plays that create easy baskets. After watching the game I thought "they didn't have even 15 assists tonight!".
I checked the box score: 13 assists.

It was like "Kemba will shoot, or will look to pass to Jefferson or to Henderson, and we'll see what happens". The offense became too dependent on these three main scoring options, and there is not enough team work and not enough getting other players involved, at the shooting stage.
Sessions plays the same way as Kemba, as a shoot first PG (and it's NOT what he was before joining this team, I showed this repeatedly with stats).

CDR, for example, is trying to be more active in the last few games; but, only in few plays they use him as a scoring option. He's a talented and experienced player, he can contribute more - if more plays were called for him.
Cody Zeller barely played last night (5 minutes in the first quarter). Even if Josh McRoberts is, at this time, a better player than Cody, bringing his playing time so low can’t be justified.

We saw last night where this "three finishers offense" gets us. Only Hendo was efficient (19 points, 46% FG shooting). Kemba and Big Al scored at low percentages (around 35% FG shooting). To me, they looked tired.

Playing the high grade defense that coach Clifford demands takes a lot of effort. That's great.
But, if always the same "usual suspects" have to carry the offensive load, game after game, no wonder they get tired, and their efficiency decreases.

Earlier in the season, I saw much better ball movement. Same coach, same players (OK, with those few differences due to injuries), but the team work was much better.
Then, the issue was poor shooting. Good shots were created, but too many were missed.

If the answer to this was: "well, we'll just count on our three top scorers, because the other guys are messing up too many good shots", that can't work.

Let's get back to better ball movement, and to getting more players involved in carrying the scoring load.

Posted by: Sandy | Dec 31, 2013 12:04:40 PM

Walker was just shooting bricks consecutive possessions straight through the 3rd. Ugly stuff to watch; he needs to be driving and passing.

Posted by: the Dude | Jan 1, 2014 1:17:20 AM

How much better would we be if we smply signed Milsap and started Biyombo at center? Just another swing and a miss by Higgins. Does this guy have any idea what he is looking at? Biyombo would be developing and the team would be much better.

Posted by: Danny | Jan 1, 2014 8:17:39 AM

Lol.i could have posted my above posts again after the Utah game . Jefferson and Kemba did exactly the same thing . They both forced shots out of traps or doubles , didnt pass when doubled , played zero help defense and poor on ball defense . How does a rookie , in the league only a month or so totally outplay Kemba ? Bc Burke plays the point gd position the correct way . He gets in the lane , draws a double and dishes to an open teammate . If not , he gets in the lane and makes the pass to a player who dishes or makes a pass , thus he is initiating the offense . Kemba only gets in the lane to force his own selfish shot . Kemba gets his shot blocked more than anyone . Kemba is a sg not a point gd . We saw a point gd in Burke who's already a better facilitator , runs the pick and roll , makes teammates better , doesn't force shots , shoots better , defends better and is bigger . Real smart Cho . Hope you saw this .

The role of a pt gd is to stop opposing pt gd penetration . Kemba gets taken in the paint by the opposing pt gd routinely . Look at how many times Burke got in the paint and did some damage in three different ways . The last time was wo a screen !!!! And he blew past him for the winner . While Jefferson watched . As usual , providing zero help defense . He should have rotated . Get his hands up . Attempted to block the shot . If you can't block the shot or rim protect , then take a charge !!! There's a reason Utah didnt want him back . He's a cancer on both ends . He went 8 for 23 . Kemba 6 for 17 . No one touched the ball but these two in crunch time . And as usual , they refuse to pass when doubled . Someone is open . All other teams top players do it unless it's Melo . And you see where the Knicks are . I've seen a center before being the black hole . But not a pt gd . Lol.

The Cats are not good enough to go one on one . The Heat don't do it so why should the Cats ? Run plays involving more players , ball movement and screens during crunch . Put Biz in to rim protect in crunch and give him a point blank dunk dime . McRoberts is in for ball movement bc Kemba can't facilitate but in crunch , Kemba and Jefferson totally dominate the ball so McRoberts and his bad defense should be replaced w Biz , a rim protector and rebounder . At least he won't stand and watch a player blow by a teammate to score untouched or unguarded like Jefferson did and does .

Posted by: Iron man | Jan 1, 2014 8:45:25 AM

Bosh, Shaq , Duncan , Cousins , Hibbert , Monroe , Howard , etc all pass out of double teams . Jefferson must if we want to beat good or bad teams . Hit cutters . They can make layups . Kemba must dish to cutters and guys inside for layups . Teamates can make layups . Why do they not trust teamates who trust them ? Would Popavitch stand for this ? Why does Clifford and the staff ? Doesn't Mj recall that his bigs passed inside to bigs and wings ? Can't price teach Kemba to dish to the tune of 8 assists at the rim ? Is Ewing a figure head and does he say anything to players about passing in the lane as a big man ? Why should we pay money to see this poor play ?

Posted by: Iron man | Jan 1, 2014 9:34:13 AM

I like Clifford, but this team would have been so much better off with a Brett Brown or Hornacek. Clifford is doing his best to win games, but Philly and Phoenix are developing players and still winning enough. Especially in Phoenix. Also, Phiily and Phoenix are in a better rebuilding position already,

Posted by: Spencer | Jan 1, 2014 11:54:32 AM

Everyone needs to set back and watch for a Lil while. When mkg comes Bach they'll start wining the close games again....

But we do need to trade away Ramon and ben...With kemba shoot it all the time and big Al and Ben and ramon creating there own shots there's never gonna b any easy buckets.

Kemba needs to be the backup pg/sg because he doesn't have the ability yet to run the offense effectively. But would be a good spark off the bench. ..

We need a good shooting and play making pg either by trade or by the draft..

And we are much better now ...well when mkg is in the line up we are better now than at any point in franchise history talent wise.the team needs to grow together..and certain player need to move the ball more.while other players need to run through screens and cause confusion for the defense. ..

Posted by: shane | Jan 1, 2014 12:35:13 PM

"Charlottean says it's Larry Brown all over again but the big difference is LB got us the 7th seed by spending us into salary cap hell. There is far more upside with this team."

One of the dumbest/slurpiest comments ever.

Air Minimum owns the track record of this team from June 2006 -- Larry Brown had no autonomy on spending anything.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 1, 2014 6:02:15 PM

^^^^nice to know you have a mouth full of Larry Brown. The guy admitted to pushing for players like Gana Diop and Augustine over Lopez. Someone has a Larry Brown thing going on. You must just like older men.

Posted by: Hornet Pride | Jan 1, 2014 7:10:23 PM

somebody correct me if i'm wrong but...... 5-4 without jefferson and 9-14 with, right?

franchise player right?

i don't want to be overly negative, i'm just stating the facts and the facts aren't pretty. we SHOULD be better than last year, we replaced diop, mullens, williams with jefferson, zeller, tolliver plus young guys are a year more experienced. but coaching the team to "win-now"mode instead of developing guys is wrong. win-now mode for a team that lost twice to utah? almost lost to milwaukee?

jefferson for bynum, bennett and a pick would be the right play right now. instead they'll prob trade MKG for trevor ariza or some ish.

i would be thrilled if we were 14-18 on the back of development and progress. we aren't. thus the negativity. it's just the truth.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 1, 2014 7:15:52 PM

totally off topic but does steve clifford look just like john malkovich to anybody? everytime i see him i think malkovich

Posted by: blackandblue89 | Jan 1, 2014 9:26:48 PM

How many more "developmental" seasons must we endure before we EXPECT to win? I'm not getting any younger. Can young players not develop while winning? Charlotte IS the developmental league. It's weird how we release or trade players who show up on winning teams.

Posted by: HellCat | Jan 2, 2014 4:57:13 AM

This team is going no where . They spend way too much time feeding Jefferson . It's no wonder his teams never do much . He still misses cutters but passed better last night . Jefferson can't score or matter much when a big doesn't go for his fakes . He still plays zero help defense .

The game was lost in the third quarter . Kemba went 2 for 6 , one assist and 3 huge turnovers . No one took any more than one shot as he dominated the ball and messed up . He's below league average in assists at the rim and assists to turnover ratio . Last night he had no assists at the rim ESP in the third . This means no easy buckets for teamates . The turnovers came from forcing drives w no where to go as the Clipoers built a wall to the basket . Paul had 14 assists bc Kemba is too weak to cut off his passing lanes and driving lanes . It's time to trade him for a pass first pt gd who defends and scores .

Clifford should consider stepping down if he can't order an offense w a pick and roll and it's variations . He should go if he can't get easy buckets for players that the center or pt gd don't provide . The paint protection defense is in part bc Jefferson is a weak defender .

Posted by: Iron man | Jan 2, 2014 8:11:08 AM

Look at all the teams that beat the Cats . Doesn't matter if they are good or bad teams . The have a rim protector in the starting lineup . A passing system where bigs pass to cutters for layups off cuts or back doors . A pt gd that gets inside and gets layups for teammates instead of forcing shots . A pt gd who can run the pick and roll and all it's variations for easier scores . A pt gd that defends and advances the ball on fast breaks w the pass not overdribbling stalling breaks . The Cats don't have this stuff . Clifford doesn't understand how to change these things . If so , he hasn't yet as the other new coaches have done . If there's no trades or changes by Clifford , the Cats are tanking .

Posted by: Iron man | Jan 2, 2014 8:48:37 AM

It's not the system, it's the player personnel we have; it's not at the level of elite teams.
Also, it might be hard to remember in the middle of a losing streak, but the Cats had better games before this road trip, including many games when they outscored their opponents in the paint; what we see in the last few games is NOT their best.

For most of the game (except for the garbage time), the Bobcats limited the Clippers' scoring in the paint. But then, their jump shooting was better. We had a very good first half, but we couldn't keep up with them in the second half; there was a 3rd quarter collapse.

Jefferson took 15 shots last night. That's not too much, that's what he's paid for.
He definitely passed more times than he shot last night. I'm not paid to keep count of his passes, but definitely those were more than 15 last night.
Even without being double teamed, when he wasn't close to the basket and was under pressure by his defender, he was most times passing.

Overall, the distribution of shots between the three top scorers and the other players was good. Big Al, Kemba and Hendo took 36 shots out of 76 for the team.

If you look at the Clippers, their top three scorers had 48 FG attempts.
The difference was NOT in any supposed "ball-hogging". It simply was that Blake Griffin and Chris Paul played and scored at a level of efficiency that our team couldn't match.
We're not at their level now, simple as that. We have no easy solution to that. There are elite teams in this league, most of them in the West, and there are teams like ours.

I'll have to agree about Kemba. Did anybody think before this game that, as a playmaker, he can match up with Chris Paul? On the other hand, Kemba had, and certainly will have, much better games than last night. Last night was one of his below average games. He is tired, and it's a good thing Coach finally cut his minutes.

Posted by: Sandy | Jan 2, 2014 11:10:23 AM

About developing our young core of players: three of them are starters - Kemba, Hendo and MKG. With MKG and his first reserve, Jeff Taylor, being injured, sure their minutes go to veterans.
Biz played about 18 minutes last night. That's about right, if it stays so.
His potential is to be a useful rotation player, as a defensive/rebounding specialist, who gives you some occasional scoring when he's open close to the rim.
The more this is tried, the more defenses start paying attention to him, and start not leaving him alone. We saw that last night already.
He is not our starting center of the future - at least, not unless we can get at the other positions (1 through 4) the kind of playmaker and scorers that elite teams have. We're not there.

Cody played last night 20 minutes. He's in a terrible slump. In the last 4 games, he went 2 of 20 for FG shooting; that's 10% in 53 minutes played! I commented after the Utah game that it wasn't right to play him 5 minutes only, no matter what.
Well, he got his minutes, but the slump is still on. He'll come out of it. At this point in his career, playing on average 20 minutes is what he needs. I still think that for him the main issue is getting stronger, which will take a few years, before we can see superior production from him steadily.

This is not the D-League. It's the real thing, and ALL the teams are competing to win. All - even the few ones whose management planned for tanking in the off-season. We just saw the Jazz.
The Bucks were at the bottom of the East because of various injury troubles.
With their injured players coming back, this team needs to be taken seriously too, as seen Tuesday night in L.A.

Posted by: Sandy | Jan 2, 2014 11:19:52 AM

^^^Nice, thoughtful post. Is there anyway to put that jackass Nastar on ignore?

Posted by: apauldds | Jan 2, 2014 12:11:03 PM

NASTAR has one fundamental motivation: his hate of Michael Jordan, and his very sincere belief that this team will never be any good as long as Michael owns it.
I disagree with him.

Expect the same type of comments from him as long as MJ owns the team - that is, for any foreseeable future.
No need to argue with him, since nothing anyone would say can change his mind.
I'm not hating anybody - NASTAR included - but I also see no need to keep arguing with hateful and stubborn people.

So apauldds, press your own "ignore" button...

Posted by: Sandy | Jan 2, 2014 12:43:48 PM

Does Kemba get credit for the perfect pass in perfect stride to Cody for the poster dunk that he missed? For everyone that does not think he can pass, count up the easy shots he assists on that are missed every game. If our players make those, his assist total and our winning % go way up. But you would have to drop the hate and be objective to see that.

Chris Paul gets assists on 20 footers by his power forward and people are going to compare our point guard to that?

Posted by: Spencer | Jan 2, 2014 12:51:11 PM

Lol. Kemba is in the bottom of the category for assists to turnovers and assists at the rim . The bottom . I guess it's the dropped passes by the players that put him there . Almost all the starting pt gds are higher than him and some guys at other positions . Before the claim was he had no bigs to pass to . Bc he can't throw alley oops , back doors , lobs or assists to teammates on the break , he's at the bottom of assists at the rim . Not dropped passes . Teammates suffer mightily bc they get no easy buckets or layups from the point gd .

Posted by: Iron man | Jan 2, 2014 1:47:19 PM

great passing players make other players look better. so zeller missed one highlight reel dunk......maybe kemba hit him a step too early.

facts are.....14-19 staring down a west coast back to back at portland and sacramento and that's playing all the veterans in "win-now" mode. with a group that wasn't built to win now.

dunlap would have had the team 11 or so wins but with mkg/zeller/biz looking like they were becoming something and our draft pick looking top 10 guarantee.

i anticipate a major eff up of a trade is right around the corner.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 2, 2014 4:07:23 PM

^^^I will look forward to the count of botched assists you will submit after the next 2 games. Might as well put some facts into your posts. Very few of Paul's assists last night were at the rim. Let's just keep missing open looks and then blame it on the PG. That makes sense. Simply put in some time and the argument can be over by Sunday.

Posted by: Spencer | Jan 2, 2014 4:48:29 PM

...by the way. There were almost no alley oops or back door assists by Paul last night and he ends up with how many assists? Some of you guys should watch a game instead of reading a box score.

Posted by: Spencer | Jan 2, 2014 4:52:41 PM

Another win!

Don't look now but our D-league signee already has as many 3's as M-CSS-KS does for his entire career!!

Biz settling in as 8th man...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 5, 2014 10:49:27 PM

Sure would be nice if Rick got us an update on when MKG is coming back, or on anything really.

Posted by: apauldds | Jan 6, 2014 10:00:08 AM

15-20 and that's in "win-now" mode. this ish is depressing. caught in no man's land. not even the observer has an effing clue.

nastar - you are obsessed with 3 pointers. if the guy gives you the same or more points per possession, AND better defense.....why the eff would you care about 3's vs 2's?

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 6, 2014 4:30:28 PM

I find the Kemba comments interesting. We do 1 or 2 pick and rolls a game and all the other teams double Kemba on a pick. When another team does a pick and roll we have no one near the other team guards and they have a wide open shot. It would be nice to see Al, Biz, McBob, near their man to help on the pick. How can you blame Kemba. Regarding assists, since there are no pick and rolls Kemba comes down court and makes a pass and runs to the other side of the court. We then become a one on one team with Al and Gerald creating on their own. Oh by the way, we can't fast break due to weak rebounding so there are no no alley oops or assists. Lastly, we can't shoot so how do you get assists passing to open players.

Posted by: Tyrese | Jan 6, 2014 4:36:12 PM

"I'm not sure of the logic of raising the price," said one broker. "If it didn't sell at $13 million, how might it sell at $16 million?"


Because the owner is a moron.

clttn, if your mind is that simple there's no use in explaining it to you. How ya feelin' about Air Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho? Told you so.

Think that dumb*ss masquerading as a tough guy is down at Tavern on the Tracks tonight watching football and getting drunk on cheap beer from dirty taps?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 6, 2014 8:39:11 PM

you are arguing against results, stats, facts, logic, reason, history, etc. etc. etc.

and why would you sell a 28 million dollar estate for less than 16? just because there isn't a buyer right now? estates that large don't sell over night. it's a bad investment unless you are definitely living there or keeping it in the family, but hey.....ballers gotta live big. doesn't mean you settle for selling for less. it sitting vacant is a better investment than cashing out for around 10. and you KNOW that dude isn't making that decision for himself either. you give him way too much credit. draft picks is one thing but financial decisions? come on dude probably can't add anything but points.

on a more depressing note......chicago has joined the tankathon. while brookyln and new york are surely waking up and either one of them could land bynum for the minimum.......chicago dropping out is a slick move. not only do they increase their own draft stock, but they'll be more likely to get our pick as well. i see you gar forman. dude is probably a week away from masterminding some slick way to get someone to take boozer off his hands for nothing. they'll have noah, rose (maybe), butler, augustin, mirotic, and like 3 picks and cap room to build on going forward. that means they leap frog us going backwards this year only to leap frog us going forward next year.

say bye bye to that pick and hello to sub .500 8 seed and a sweep. awesome. and a super mediocre team next year, too. great. good job management.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 7, 2014 11:25:26 AM

Clearly you didn't read the article... It was offered for $13mm and did not sell.

We call 'em Air Min, Yes Co. & Cho for a reason ;0)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 7, 2014 6:33:11 PM

that was the minimum bid for a one day auction. different scenario altogether. nobody is haggling over the price, there just isn't interest from the few people that can afford that kind of estate. i don't get your obsession with the guy.

who the eff is "we" ???

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 7, 2014 7:02:26 PM

That was by no means a one-day auction....process went on for months....then one day....they called it off because nobody would even register with the stated Minimum bid, auctioneer came up with nothing but Air ;)

Dude, that story was on every news feed known to man -- I'm just trying to help out the helpless slurpers that don't know any better, show 'em what they are up against ;0). At least you've come around and now understand I was right the whole time, Air Min can't deliver as an owner....told you so.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 7, 2014 7:38:01 PM

And trust me, there's always interest in a property like that...

...at a price, lower, like a 7-figure number.

I bet Air Min was a contractors dream!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 7, 2014 7:40:41 PM

Sandy, I don't hate MJ, or anyone else for that matter. If fact, despite the fact he's from the despised Tarheel tribe I was totally pulling for him when he was on that run for titles 4 thru 6.

I bet I'm the only guy here that's the seen him play college hoops, pro hoops, and pro baseball in person!

But you are correct, as long as he is owner the Boobs will never thrive.

BTW, as expected Biz settling into that 8/9 spot in the rotation nicely. 1 shot and 3 reb's tonight.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 7, 2014 10:31:19 PM

there is always interest, there are NOT a lot of people that can afford a property that vast.

again.......appraised value is something like 28 million. the fact that he can't sell it has to do with there being VERY FEW buyers in that price range, most of whom want to build their own estate from scratch, and basically none of whom want that estate outside of chicago.

and I'm still pro jordan over many owners. mostly because of him wanting to keep the team here. better to have a miserable team than no team. i still hold faith that he will eventually hire the right person and step back and it will be prosperous. it might be 10 years from now. but even donald sterling figured it out eventually (sort of). it takes someone jordan believes in being successful.

or cory higgins being an absolute front office stud (which would be the most hilarious turn of events ever if that came to fruition).

cleveland, brooklyn, new york want in.....chicago, atlanta wants out. that still leaves us a spot to slide out. a jefferson and sessions for gasol deal would be doooooooope. still have gordon and mcroberts to macguyver something to get another pick, package all the picks for something major. give lance stephenson a offer indiana can't match.

it's all right there to be done. it's all too easy to do this right.

while they still aren't doing the right things, they're soooooooooooo much improved from the pre-cho era in the sense of making the most senseless retarded trades and signings ever. we're doing better than sacramento and memphis are doing with their moves. new york and brooklyn too. detroit quite possibly, especially if monroe leaves. we aren't the worst managed anymore. we're up to at least 25th best.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 8, 2014 11:12:22 AM

forgot to add that our "bust" of a draft pick went for 13 and 9 assists over 1 turn in ANOTHER big game for the bulls......beating the (now) 20-13 suns without rose, deng, or boozer.

and our other "bust" of a draft pick started for new orleans against miami. didn't do much after 17 and 7 against indiana, but then again, only his 3rd start with his new team. miami isn't a good matchup either.

the problem isn't the picks but what happens after.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 8, 2014 11:51:30 AM

Where you getting that $28 million number? You make it up? From a Mecklenburg County staff appraiser?!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! $28 mil is a joke.

While I don't believe a $28 million appraisal exists, if it does it's irrelevant, supply and demand is all that matters.

$29 million = 0 buyers/offers
$21 million = 0 buyers/offers
$13 million = 0 buyers/offers

There are PLENTY of people in Chicago that can afford that house at any of those numbers...thousands of people...but it's an eyesore on a lousy piece of property and it's not WORTH any of those prices -- the market says so.

In 2012 the Air Minimum was assessed $178,900 of property taxes on that house, here: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-78579848/

Property tax rate in that area is about 2.1%. This implies a value of approx $8,500,000 for the house.

I predict the ultimate sales price will be less than $10,000,000.

The lesson to be learned here is that His Minimumness is an unrealistic fool who thinks he can create a parallel reality just because he says so -- he can't. Guarantee you the realtors are telling him what true value is but he won't listen...

...only person he listens to is ROD HIGGINS!!

Good info on our "former draft picks", keep it coming! What you are pointing out with info like this is a "symptom", the underlying disease is called Air Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho.

This team is an embarrassment around the league and to the community -- casts us in a bad light. Something has to change.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 8, 2014 1:06:06 PM

Trade Ben Gordon, Anthony Tolliver and Jeff Adrien to Brooklyn for Paul Pierce, Alan Anderson and Andrei Kirilenko.

The Nets are going nowhere with their coach, Lopez out and Williams never ending injuries. This way, they can at least save almost $15M in taxes.

For the Nets that is as good as it can get, since they are looking really bad. And for the Bobcats, if we are going to lose our 2014 Pick, then we might as well make the playoffs and still keep the financial flexibility for the summer.

Posted by: RobC | Jan 8, 2014 1:08:08 PM

robc - that doesn't help the bobcats at all. and we won't lose our pick if we finish outside of the playoffs. there will be 4-5 teams out west that will make up the last lottery picks. assuming they don't do the improbable of cleaning up the lottery which is like a .0001% chance, we'll be 10 or better, keeping the pick.

i'm starting to think that we won't make the playoffs even if we try as hard as possible and play all the veterans. we have one of the lowest SOS thus far which will even out a bit after more games against miami and the remaining 2 trips west.

neither brooklyn or new york have 1sts this year so they have every reason in the world to make the playoffs. bk is 1 game behind us......they surely leap frog us regardless of health. they might be better if a few guys go down because of how deep they are. it would thin our the rotation and better define roles. new york is a whopping 2 games behind us and that's with chandler missing a ton of games thus far. and jr smith being insanely destructive to that team. they will surely pass us.

question is......how hard will chicago tank, will toronto sabotage their recent post rudy gay success, and will luol deng have a positive impact on cleveland.

we're on pace for a whopping 34 wins right now, throw in the schedule evening out a bit, offset that by MKG coming back......i don't see how we finish better than that pace barring major changes in trades or philosophy. clifford is expecting way too much out of mediocre talent and not developing the young talent that he does have.

nastar - i read the 28 million appraisal in the original press release. that's where they thought 29 as an ask was appropriate. i'm nowhere near as obsessed with the matter as you are. if i saw a link that said there was an appraisal for 8.5 million as you say it should be, then I would agree that 16 is insane. the article i read detailed construction cost and overall investment into the property coupled with recent valuations. maybe i remembered the number wrong, but 28 has stuck in my head throughout the whole ordeal as it was noted in the auction what a steal it would be with the minimum reserve being 13. my only argument is that just because there isn't a buyer right now, doesn't make something worth less in actual value. in current liquidity it absolutely does. but if the ish is worth 28 million in structural/land/fixtures value, there's no reason to sell for less than 13 just to get rid of it unless you have to, and he doesn't.

i bet the nba regulation gymnasium alone is worth 3 million. you think the 56,000 sq ft home is worth 5 million? hah....ok chief. he got a steal on his 7,000 sq ft condo here at 3 million. and that's charlotte, not chicago. do the effing math. you don't get that finish and furnishings for less than 200 a sq. ft. bare bones it's 200. fully furnished and finished?

trulia has the average price per square foot for highland park at 475. i think that's insanely high, but again.......do the effing math. at 300 its 16 million. 250 it's 14.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 8, 2014 3:20:58 PM

"but if the ish is worth 28 million in structural/land/fixtures value, there's no reason to sell for less than 13 just to get rid of it unless you have to, and he doesn't."

You're a moron. The only thing on that property with certain value is the land...the rest is window dressing--which obviously nobody wants. Get $28mm out of your head moron. Matter of fact, slice a round $20mm off the number and you're in the ballpark.

You need to familiarize yourself with concept of *XYZ is only worth what the market will pay for it*...

...we don't know exactly what the number is, but we do know it is not $29mm, it is not $21mm, it is not $13mm -- it IS something LOWER!

Just watch...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 8, 2014 4:34:27 PM

you don't sell for less because there isn't a buyer in your price range.

the LIQUIDITY VALUE might be 8 million, but that doesn't make that the true value.

it's a 56000 sq ft estate. that does NOT go for less than 10 even if it's in Antarctica. You can't BUILD that quality of a home for less than 10.

XYZ is only worth what the market will pay for it is a temporary fact. that fluctuates. XYZ can only be bought for what XYZ's seller wants to sell it for. dude paid the cost to be the boss, he can slap a 50 million price tag on it if he chooses. there's NO logical reason to sell the house impatiently because there's no market for it CURRENTLY.

You wait. You don't HAVE to sell it.

hilarious. I guess if the Panthers listed BofA stadium tomorrow and had no offers that would make it worth $0.00 right? I would love to negotiate opposite from you on a real estate transaction. what do lamarcus aldridge's teammates call that?

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 8, 2014 5:33:52 PM

A year and 3 price cuts -- "impatiently"?

I didn't say he had to sell it now, I said he's fooling himself with the pricing...

...just as he's fooling himself about being able to compete as an NBA owner (and apparently you too).

So how about this, just for kicks you throw out what you think a good over/under number is for what this thing eventually sells for? A number that you'd be willing to take a bet on either side. No excuses piker, put a number out there...

Got it in you?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 8, 2014 5:44:16 PM

"the LIQUIDITY VALUE might be 8 million, but that doesn't make that the true value."

That's funny. In fact, the two are EXACTLY the same thing!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 9, 2014 12:48:22 AM

hahaahaha right, because properties never sell for more or less than what they are actually worth.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 9, 2014 7:58:42 AM

MKG to return for the Knicks game. Thanks for the update.

Posted by: apauldds | Jan 9, 2014 12:38:44 PM

Show some courtesy, apauldds; we're in the middle of the TV season, he's busy.

Posted by: Downtown Sports | Jan 9, 2014 2:29:30 PM

sometimes I have to wonder if it's a voluntary position at this point or a part time gig or what.

such an awesome sports town this is.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 9, 2014 3:38:55 PM

Put the over/under out there bigshot...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 10, 2014 10:29:46 AM

why would anyone bet on what someone else is going to decide to do?

the guy could not get an offer for 5 years. or he could get a low dollar offer tomorrow and say "eff it - i'll take the write off on the loss" or he could take it off the market for 3 years and try again later. or as mentioned the bulls could sign someone like carmello this summer and he be like "eff it - when in chicago.....do as mike did" and drop list price on it.

there's no telling what happens. but to suggest that the only value of something is the sales price is completely ignoring the variables of fluctuation and human error.

something you should be very familiar with.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 10, 2014 12:56:16 PM

okay and back to the cats....

Pretty soon we have to make a call: playoff's and good seed or not.

As far as I can tell only team above us going down is Chicago. But there are all coming up: Cavs, Knicks, and Nets.

I could easily see us finishing 8th or just outside playoff's and losing our draft pick and that's just plain stupid.

I agree with coach the past few post game interviews. Players have to dig down for the mid season and this group doesn't seem to.

So little vote:
Choice 1 : make playoff's and get a good player in trade

Choice 2: miss and slide to protect draft and get rid of some folks.

Which do you want to see and which do you think will happen...

Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Jan 10, 2014 1:07:49 PM

I don't think we're making the playoffs even if we try to (barring a major trade or major change to the rotation). We have a soft strength of schedule thus far and that will even out quite a bit over the next month and a half. we haven't beaten anybody but golden state (at home and barely) and toronto (in overtime, IF you even consider them somebody).

we got swept by utah, barely escaped milwaukee in overtime, lost to atlanta with nobody, lost to orlando, etc. that's not the sign of a contender. 15-21 is on pace for what? 33 wins or something? awesome. thanks jefferson. "franchise big" my A.

the vote should be unanimous to develop the young guys first and foremost, pursue a big trade or multiple big trades because we have a TON of trade chips right now, and not be short sighted in doing anything to win now and lose later.

NY and BK are going to pass us in the next week or 2. Cleveland could get going with luol deng on board. detroit could get going once cheeks figures out what he's doing or gets fired. Boston getting rondo back could up their win total a little, at least better than ours probably. the only locks at the bottom are philly, milwaukee, and orlando with sacramento and utah out west. maybe the lakers. that 7-10 range has us written all over it. and that's solid with the chance to get lucky.

as long as we miss the playoffs, probability is on our side to keep the pick. and there's at least a chance we're in the top 3 however unlikely. lot of people cooling on this draft class with wiggins and parker having some rough nights recently, but that's just that over analyzing that happens every year. right now it doesn't look like there's a lebron or a durant, but it looks like there's 6 or 7 solid franchise guys - lamarcus aldridge or carmello or bosh level guys. and if we're picking 7-10 with 2 additional 1's in our pocket, we might could land the right guy if someone in front of us doesn't like who is left.

You could grab dario saric 9th or 10th easily in this draft. and that's a steal. dallas guaranteed him at 13 last year before he pulled his name out. way more value in being out than being in and getting swept. everybody around us is getting better for the long term (chicago, detroit, washington, milwaukee, orlando, philly, etc).

scary times between now and trade deadline........i expect dampier trade part 2 is looming.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 10, 2014 4:21:32 PM

Hey bigshot, you factor all that into your over/under number...

(all talk, no action, just as I thought)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 10, 2014 5:05:20 PM

yeah, that's exactly what action means. to give an over/under on a completely limitless scenario. on a property i've only seen photos of. I haven't poured over the blueprints and tax records as you have. i read a real estate press blurb and commented based on that.

you made the idiotic argument that a property that supposedly appraised at a large number and is listed at a lessor number, is worth half of that because......? would love to see all of the 56,000 sq ft estates that sell for 8 million as you put it. I gave you the numbers based on price per square foot. and that doesn't include the furnishings and fixtures and amenities and land.

keep up the great work obsessing over your idol. you act like the dude raped you.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 10, 2014 7:53:25 PM

"...supposedly appraised at a large number..."

You made that up didn't you?

"...is worth half of that because......?"

The market told you that, not me.

"you act like the dude raped you."

Pretty aggressive comment there, comments like that can get you in trouble.

Why are you afraid to put an over/under number out there? (because there's no denying it, you are afraid)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 11, 2014 1:29:22 PM

PS...the local tax authorities assess the property on a valuation below $9,000,000 -- do you really believe any decent tax man is going to leave $20,000,00 on the table? Explain that hotshot.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 11, 2014 1:34:35 PM

you clearly haven't had any interaction with our local tax collectors. different locale, but they aren't in the least bit competent. i've seen millions in local taxes (not real estate) go uncollected due to human error and lack of competence.

you have now claimed that the tax collector never gets it wrong, and properties never sell for more or less than what they are actually worth. you're on a role. you also said that jordan handles his endorsement deals and his former agent has nothing to do with any of his business, right? you also said tyrus thomas wouldn't get amnestied right? your track record is horrible dude.

and no i didn't make that ish up, knowing how you salivate at all jordan related material, you probably read the same blurb. it's probably on your fridge.

and what kind of trouble am i going to get in exactly for saying that you act as though he raped you? criminal penalties for similies now? this isn't your boy prokhorov's native land. you don't at all live in reality and that shows with your obsession with jordan.

while many basketball fans are frustrated as local fans of the game, you take it to such a personal obsessive near stalkerish level. nobody joins you in that.

there's no fear in saying that i don't think it sells for less than 10. what i said was, it's dumb to speculate on what another person (in this case, 2 parties) decide to do in a business transaction. there's no limit to the possible outcomes of someone selling a 56k sq ft estate. there's no probability to back up your basis. it's just a personal opinion. if you make life decisions, bets, gamble, wager, invest, negotiate from that position.....good job with that. i'm sure it works out great.

ask your insurance agent what replacement value is on a 56k sq ft estate. add in the land, fixtures, and amenities. that will give you a solid ball park right there. it's not 8 million. we already went over the numbers.

Posted by: charlottean | Jan 12, 2014 2:53:07 AM

All this rape talk, you're sick. Real clttn coming out.

You made up the appraisal stuff -- it doesn't exist. If it does, prove it.

Tax men obviously are flawed but even the worst aren't going to be 66% low on the most expensive house in the entire city!

"Appraised value" and "insured replacement" value are irrelevant, unless he burns it down that is!

We have multiple real life data points the latest of which says the house isn't worth $13,000,000.

You've done nothing but speculate (and lie) for about 5000 words on what this house worth but you're afraid to throw out an over/under number? Hilarious!

You're a moron.

Fact: house didn't sell at $29,000,000.
Fact: house didn't sell at $21,000,000.
Fact: house didn't sell at $13,000,000.
Fact: tax man assesses at valuation less than $9,000,000.

Yet you think it's gonna miraculously be worth how much?

Got any facts moron?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 12, 2014 6:46:24 AM

Am I the only one here that couldn't give a rats ass about MJ's house?

Posted by: apauldds | Jan 13, 2014 10:17:42 AM

apauldds, just about every major news outlet in the country chose to report on it -- so yes, you might be alone.

Forbes, WSJ, CNN, USA Today, Washington Post, NBC, Chicago Tribune, CBS, etc.....all reported on the attempted auction. Even the UK based Daily Mail wrote a long article!!


Funny quote from that article:

"Speaking of the legend's reason for selling the house, project manager Nick Leonard said: 'Fame withheld, Michael Jordan has a lot of similarities to our typical seller. He's an extremely savvy very successful business person.

'He has a spectacular property, one of a kind, and he’s not using it.
'So he’s taking control of the market, he's setting a sale date and he's going to auction it to the high bidder.

'For anyone with any interest, it’s now or never.'"


"...now or never", huh?!? Didn't happen "now", looking like "never" is a possibility.

Slurpers don't like hearing a sort of thing because it's just another datapoint showing that His Minimumness is delusional...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jan 13, 2014 1:43:57 PM

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