January 31, 2014
Charlotte Bobcats' Kemba Walker will not play tonight against Los Angeles Lakers
LOS ANGELES – Charlotte Bobcats point guard Kemba Walker will not play tonight against the Los Angeles Lakers, and coach Steve Clifford sounded less confident Friday about Walker’s availability the rest of this West Coast trip.
Walker missed the last five games with a sprained left ankle suffered Jan. 18. He tried to participate in morning shootaround at the Staples Center, but felt pain during the initial stretching and had to leave the court.
Walker practiced for the first time since the injury Thursday at Southern Cal.’s GalenCenter. The Bobcats didn’t scrimmage Thursday, but Walker went through a number of drills that required him to sprint and cut. Walker and Clifford both said Walker was “close” to being ready to play, hopeful that would be against the Lakers.
Now Clifford isn’t confident Walker will be available for Saturday’s game at the Phoenix Suns. The last game of this four-team swing is Tuesday against the Golden State Warriors.
Posted by Observer Sports on January 31, 2014 at 02:25 PM | Permalink
get better kemba! let it heal first...lets go hornets!
Posted by: J | Jan 31, 2014 2:42:50 PM
Sessions and Pargo have filled in nicely. Rest up and come back 100%.
Posted by: What? | Jan 31, 2014 2:48:10 PM
Let that ankle heal up before we throw him back out there. This team has a shot to make some people take notice late in the season. Don't risk long-term injury in the name of short-term success.
Posted by: J Buzz | Jan 31, 2014 4:22:59 PM
Let it heal. Kemba's turning into a good player and Big Al is a good post player. I would love to see the playoffs in the Cats last year but The return of Hugo would look great with a top pick next year. That lottery ball has got to bounce our way sometime.
Posted by: jaymoney | Jan 31, 2014 4:36:51 PM
If you thought a player had no talent and was not in the top half of the NBA at his position, would you care if he signed with the Bobcats? Just doing a poll. Thank you.
Posted by: Steph | Jan 31, 2014 7:03:11 PM
As usual you are a clown Steph . Just bc Kemba is terrible at assists at the rim and not close to being even average in this stat and the same w assists to turnovers , doesn't mean he has no value . He would be a good fireplug off the bench . Bc of his poor on ball defense assists problems and help defense , he's not a starter at pt gd who can possibly lead you in the playoffs or big games .
Last night and the 4 of the last 6 games is a perfect example . There were way more assists at the rim in all the wins in the paint from transition buckets , back door cuts and lobs . Way more bc he's not out there dancing w the ball dribbling the shot clock down stagnating ball movement . Jefferson also passed out of double teams too which he must . The team is better by addition by subtraction . Shorty can help them only if he raises his assists at the rim . But he's like 47 th on the list and there's only 30 teams !!!
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 1, 2014 6:29:15 AM
If Jefferson ever wants to make the Allstar team , he has to get the respect of the coaches who can vote him on . This means play on ball defense , help defense and pass to cutters when doubled . As he did last night . He scores big and rebounds for almost a decade but never made it and his teams have gone no where . His teams will go somewhere and he will make it if he consistently passes to open teammates or hands it off and screens and plays defense . Period . Nothing more . Nothing less . Shorty didnt make either bc all he ever did was chuck , not pass or play defense . The coaches hate all players on their teams like this and certainly won't vote other coaches players on that play this way .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 1, 2014 6:36:11 AM
I guess the improved performance has nothing to do with Al getting healthy and MKG coming back. Jefferson is moving much better than he was early in the season, Guy is dominant and Clifford knows how to use him.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 1, 2014 6:56:19 AM
21 wins? Seriously? Already matched their total from last year. Amazing. And before it comes up. The Clippers are 9-3 without Chris Paul. With Al at 100% this team only gets better when Kemba comes back.
Posted by: Jimmer | Feb 1, 2014 7:16:21 AM
In before Charlottean starts griping about why Big Al playing like a beast is a bad thing.
Posted by: apauldds | Feb 1, 2014 7:49:56 AM
there is no bigger clown on this blog than Iron Man/NASTAR (or whatever the names are he goes by)
Posted by: Rich | Feb 1, 2014 8:59:45 AM
Yep. NASTAR is the troll king. Used the troll the Panthers to. Stopped when they made the playoffs. The way the Bobcats are improving will have to start focusing on the Knights or the Hounds. He is a complete jerk off.
Posted by: Stan | Feb 1, 2014 9:16:05 AM
Jefferson gives the Bobcats a reliable scorer who can also draw fouls against the other team. Zeller and Biyombo should try to incorporate some of Jefferson's moves.
Posted by: Bobby | Feb 1, 2014 11:03:00 AM
dude played incredible last night. not a lot of griping here other than saying that he could be THE GUY in this league if he atleast contested layups on defense. there's absolutely no reason that game should have been close.
the guy DOMINATED offensively AND had help from hendo. offense has definitely been clicking a lot more without kemba than with.
there just isn't that much optimism behind this group getting better without interior defense for 35+ mpg.
these were 2 VERY BIG road wins albeit with some circumstance, but they were west coast road wins regardless. but that puts us 6 games below .500 against one of the weakest SOS's in the league. and with a veteran laden lineup. we're playing guys well into their prime in sessions, mcroberts, henderson, jefferson, tolliver, etc. if the young guys were being groomed some how or if the guys that were succeeding were pre-prime, there would be A LOT more optimistic talk coming from me.
i just keep repeating the same facts: al hasn't won anything in his career for a reason (his defense) and we don't have the personnel to pair with him to hide that and maximize his talent.
we don't have the shooters and we don't have an elite defender that can protect the rim and space the floor. not unless biz can become an absolute udonis haslem knock down baseline jumper expert.
playing our way into a 1st round sweep and out of a draft pick with a veteran dependent core isn't exactly something that strikes me as impressive or celebratory. that's all.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 1, 2014 1:11:17 PM
When he's healthy, Al Jefferson is one of the two best offensive centers in the NBA (with DeMarcus Cousins). He totally outplayed four times All Star Pau Gasol last night, and Pau had a good game.
Any time we win, Big Al is a major factor.
Of course he's not a good one-on-one defender, of course he's not quick enough to be a rim protector against dribble penetration by smaller players.
But that's not at all the same as saying that "he doesn't play defense", or that "he's terrible (or, worthless) in defense" - which is false.
His defense is a mixed bag. You see the bad possessions and the uncontested shots, but also, you can see the better possessions.
You can see possessions when he is part of the team effort that closes the interior. The Bobcats are in the top 10 teams in the league for defense, and that's thanks to very good interior defense (while defending the perimeter continues to be an issue).
In both wins in this trip to the West, the Cats kept the opponents at 39% FG shooting. Excellent.
Again, Jefferson is part of this defensive team effort.
He has 48 blocked shots (1.3 bpg) and 36 steals (.7 spg) this season; you don't get that by "not playing defense".
Defensive rebounding is an important part of defense. I said it before: if you can't rebound well, and you allow too many offensive rebounds to the other team, you're fried (I just watched the Wolfpack getting roasted on the offensive boards by the Tar Heels today).
Al Jefferson averages 10.7 RPG this season; out of these 8.5 are defensive RPG.
This is not to say that he's a good defensive center, it's simply recognizing that he contributes to the team in defense too, though he's mainly an offensive center.
Looking at his overall achievement, his efficiency rating (PER) this season is 14th in the NBA, and 5th among centers. Putting Joakim ahead of him for the All Stars game is ridiculous, and can only be explained by the different images these two teams have among coaches - not by the players' individual talent, worth or achievement.
Besides, last night we got good playmaking from Sessions (again), and I was glad to see Hendo's jump shot was working again.
How do we get better next season?
We'll see some changes in the roster; not a lot, we don't need an overhaul, just enough tweaking of the roster to improve it. Three point shooting is the first need to be addressed. Also, I expect MKG to show improvement in what will be his third season as a starter in this league, and I hope to see Cody being at least a little more productive in offense next season; his rebounding is already good.
Posted by: Sandy | Feb 1, 2014 5:16:05 PM
"Used the troll the Panthers to. Stopped when they made the playoffs. "
Yeah, "made the playoffs".... YEAH BABY!!! YEAH BABY, WE M-A-D-E THE PLAYOFFS --- WE MAAAAAADE THE PLAYOFFS!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Only a Kit Kat Slurper Supreme would be happy with MAKING THE PLAYOFFS only to...
....LOSE AGAIN!!! YEEEOOOWWWWW!!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 5:16:26 PM
BTW douchebag, it's "too"...not "to". Take a remedial grammar class moron.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 5:18:28 PM
Kemba Era -- 24.6% win rate.
After Shorty -- 66.6% win rate.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it slurpers...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 5:34:10 PM
there's no doubt the guy makes plays here and there on defense. but there's a TON of plays where he doesn't even attempt.
the guy is a solid if not upper echelon defensive rebounder. the guy is probably THE elite post scorer right now. on the gasol note...gasol was playing hurt and is looking to be out a few games now. he still would have done damage last night. didn't matter who was guarding him, doubling him......dude is in a zone right now.
2 in a row, 6-4 in the last 10, but again........21-27 overall with the 27th SOS.
there's absolutely room on the roster to get better. what i've been constantly frustrated about is that the guys that can be improved upon, aren't being put in positions to improve so that we could actually be a legit playoff team next year.
if it works out, it works out in spite of this year, not because of it. unless you look at it on some reverse psych ish and say that this year motivated the eff out of taylor, mkg, biz, and zeller as a group and they bust A all summer and come back like changed men on a mission. and that theory might actually hold a bit of merit. but i would place more value in those guys getting playing time and failing and being motivated by that, OR those guys becoming less confident because of this year and not regaining that supreme confidence that made these guys who they are.
we've got 34 games left. i think we would benefit more from playing zeller and biz some more during this stretch. they won't impact whether we make or don't make the playoffs by playing a few more minutes. that will come down to new york's performance way more than our own. detroit's too for that matter.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 1, 2014 6:39:36 PM
Guess I was wrong. He is still trolling the Panthers. After an 12-4 season. Which proves once again...he is a troll. One who corrects grammar on a blog when he gets embarrassed.
Posted by: Stan | Feb 1, 2014 7:42:07 PM
Stan, why don't you get a b-I-g banner made up that reads "2013 Panthers -- 12-4"....hang that baby up and pay homage to it regularly!! LOL... Heck, there's probably a trophy store over on Monroe Rd. where you could get a really big trophy made up too -- what would you put on it?
Hey Stan, what are your predictions for next season? JFTR, are you psyched about those new escalators that are coming? Those babies gonna be a big help, save you 20 minutes getting to your seat?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 10:30:23 PM
it's pretty bad when you think the panthers are a poorly run franchise, when you are supposedly a former bobcat employee and at the very least well aware of how bad the bobcats are.
12-4 was better than all but.....what? 4 teams? out of 32? pretty solid considering 2 of the 4 were brady/manning and have been there every year for the past 10. 12-4 in an any given sunday league is pretty banner worthy.
only complaints i have about recent panthers moves are regarding firing hurney and letting fox go. and gettleman has been basically doing everything hurney would have done thus far (and seeing success because of it) so it hasn't hurt too much yet. fox would no doubt be able to do more with this team than rivera, dude should have been here permanently.
but there isn't much a panther fan can complain about. bobcats is completely different. far more comparable to raiders or browns fans.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 1, 2014 11:02:54 PM
5 winning seasons in 19 constitutes a well run "franchise" in your opinion? Really?
As for this "former employee" nonsense, I repeatedly invited the bozo who started that nonsense to name names, gave him full permission give my purported name, job title, etc -- crickets. But then again, you're easily deluded, you continue to believe David Falk represents Air Minimum....HAHAHA!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 11:09:27 PM
Stan, be sure to notate the banner** with "0-1 in playoffs".
(**even with bye week and home field)
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 1, 2014 11:16:35 PM
19 seasons where only 4 were 6-10 or worse in the NFL is slightly above par. 15 seasons of 7-9 or better. the league is built for parity. the few elite qb's and seasonal elite defenses rise to the top annually.
look up how many franchises have never seen a conference championship game or a super bowl. you're a bigger idiot than i thought fostering that "4 in 18" Bull-ish. easily the dumbest sports fans in the world here. hard cap, hard draft order, heavy on injuries, short schedule, single elimination playoffs......none of that spells the best team wins every year. and it also doesn't spell that 7-9 = failure.
there are quite a few teams that haven't reached the playoffs at all since 2000. we've been 4 times.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 1, 2014 11:21:50 PM
Hey, some people are born losers and bred to expect and live with failure...if that floats your boat and is all good with you who am I to criticize... Oh, wait, so Kraft just got lucky in 20 seasons (owned team 1 more season than Boone's Farm Jer' has owned Kit Kats)...right, lucky!
Tonight in a win over the Thunder John Wall had his 18th game with 10+ assists (15 tonight)....e-i-g-h-t-e-e-n.
Out of curiosity I checked Shorty's stats ...t-h-r-e-e. 3. THREE. And all three were exactly 10 assists, no games with more than 10. Wall has 13 games with more than 10 assists...
...but Shorty will be an All-Star soon, for sure!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 2, 2014 12:00:27 AM
At what point can someone from Charlotte start supporting their team again? How many consecutive winning seasons are appropriate? That will be helpful for all the people that offend you because they are fans of the Bobcats and Panthers.
Gettleman is doing a nice job...slurper. 12-4 in Cams 3rd year is encouraging...slurper. Cifford is a solid coach...slurper. Kemba would be better with shooters around him...slurper. Add a couple DB's to thePanthers front 7 and the D should be good for some time...slurper. Bobcats improvement is obvious. 21 wins before the all-star break...slurper.
That about cover it for you? There is one douche bad that posts here and even you know who it is. You are literally the biggest troll in Charlotte. At least you have that going for you.
Posted by: Stan | Feb 2, 2014 7:32:46 AM
Lol. Last night was for all you clowns checking someone about Jefferson . Lol. He did exactly what you will see in a playoff series . He got tripled and refused to pass going 4 for 15 . W one assist . Lmao . The only way this team will win is Jefferson passing out of doubles to cutting teamates . ESP since all they do is try to force the ball into his hands whc slows play and is hugely distractful . Sessions and Pargo need to move the ball instead of jacking too . Only ball movement and man movement will bring wins . The wings need more isos like Mkg got last nite so he's not strapped by the lane clogging Jefferson . This will turn out to be the worst signing bc he's such a ball hog .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 2, 2014 8:14:38 AM
Iron Man/NASTAR has no life. His goal is troll the Charlotte boards. Great use of your time clown.
Posted by: Rich | Feb 2, 2014 8:56:41 AM
That NASTAR dude worked there. Part of a crew that was there about 5 years ago. Bad bad apples. I worked there for a couple years, got a sample but there are some classic stories. I will be back in the states in a couple of weeks and will see a few current and former employees. Will find out which one it is. I am sure they will know.
Posted by: MW | Feb 2, 2014 9:01:40 AM
we weren't really supposed to win last night being a road back to back west coast against a team playing much better ball. people think biyombo can't be successful? every gm in the league would take biz over plumlee or len.
i just don't get why adrien and tolliver played down the stretch instead of zeller and mkg who both played well yesterday and could have used a stat stuffing 4th quarter to get some confidence going.
its like clifford mails it in in those situations instead of working on development. no plays were called for biz to work on his post game in live action. instead....we got a heavy dose of tolliver and pargo launching away down the stretch of a game LONG out of reach. awesome. did a lot for the team.
and if we ARE in win-now mode, kemba should come off the bench when he gets back. he won't.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 2, 2014 9:58:50 AM
NASTAR was fired by the Bobcats. Can't dribble, shoot, couldn't even make his grammar school team. Just a bad apple that making negative posts consumes his whole life. He needs some serious help.
Posted by: Tyrese Jones | Feb 2, 2014 10:40:34 AM
"and if we ARE in win-now mode, kemba should come off the bench when he gets back. he won't."
another brilliant comment from the clown society. Get a life and do something else beside posting your crazy opinion on the blog EVERY single day.
I am glad the FO does not listen to these morons.
Posted by: Rich | Feb 2, 2014 10:53:05 AM
Be careful or you will get the famous "I can't believe how consumed you are with me" quote from NASTAR. Comical from a person obsessed with the Panthers and Bobcats posting garbage he would never ever put him name on. The king of keyboard courage. That info on the guy should be great. What do you think he does for a living? That will be hilarious without a doubt.
Posted by: MIke | Feb 2, 2014 11:10:38 AM
I don't know what someone like NASTAR does. But what kind of job could you have and post all this negative crap all the time? Whatever it is or wherever it is, thank god you are not there. Whether you love or hate the Bobcats and Panthers, there is absolutely no point to it. You are better off finding something constructive to do or finding teams you actually like to talk about.
Posted by: Steph | Feb 2, 2014 11:38:47 AM
not at all the clown society....i say that because we have been winning without him and he would provide better bench scoring than sessions has. and more importantly, he won't be 100% until the offseason if that ankle sprain was as serious as the drs said it was. he can play on it sure, but he won't be right.
if they're building for the future, he shouldn't come back so soon. if they're in win-now mode, they should stick to what has been sort of working in his absence.
don't confuse me with the idiots without a brain. i'm talking strictly logic here.
they can either win-now or build for the future, but right now they are doing neither effectively.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 2, 2014 1:44:17 PM
Opponents last 10 games
Phoenix 8-2 Lost
Lakers 2-8 Won
Denver 4-6 Won
Bulls 6-4 Won
Knicks 4-6 Lost
I think we should build around Sessions and Pargo. Trade Kemba and maybe bring back DJ. Now that is backcourt that we can build a championship.
Posted by: Tyrese Jones | Feb 2, 2014 2:08:59 PM
you are joking, right?
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 2, 2014 4:47:37 PM
Kemba should come off the bench bc he's horrible at assists at the rim and assist to turnover ratio . These are facts . Calling people clowns won't change the facts bc you don't like it . He plays below average defense and on ball defense and cannot run or defend the pick and roll . These are unmitigated facts . Then add the other reasons Charlottean has set forth . The front office will for sure pick a pt gd next yr and not miss out on soon to be allstars like Carter Williams and Lilliard . It's funny people mention Sessions , Dj and Pargo as replacements . As of late , all three have managed the point better than Kemba . And try saying that about Lowry or Bledsoe , both of whom could have been had if Cho knew what he was doing . Both being huge upgrades over a midget sg running point .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 3, 2014 7:57:28 AM
And I'm not Nastar . Never met him . He's witty and very informative . You can talk all you want about his past experiences and level in life but his posts are in depth , spot on , accurate w a deep understanding of bb fundamentals . I'm an ex college and former coach . His posts are piercing whc is why many posters take the time to respond . The truth always hurts .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 3, 2014 8:02:53 AM
for years people absolutely opposed me when i constantly said that DJ was the better point guard than kemba. now people want to say we should bring him back over kemba?
i disagree about NASTAR being all about the truth. the guy embellishes and inflates A LOT of BS to stir ish up. he's wayyyyyyy overly biased about everything. if MKG scored 40 points tomorrow (which he's clearly capable of, btw) the guy would say "oh but he only made 1 three pointer" like that effing matters at all.
the guy doesn't bring that much depth, he's just slightly smarter than the majority of the idiots on here that have no clue what so ever about how the nba works.
kemba is a capable starting point guard. we've already invested a lot in him, there's no reason to bail now unless we get smart or exum. and even then, you could pair the 2 as I've suggested........baron davis/david wesley style. Playing without interior defenders on the floor is far more devastating and playing a post up offense without any pure shooters is pretty bad too.
seriously.......how did we go this long without giving seth curry a 10 day contract? why are we in "win-now" mode? why are we playing mediocre veterans so much at the end of meaningless games? why are we playing them at all? why does ANYONE think that al jefferson is going to lead a contender here (or anywhere)? why does our fanbase give more of an eff about the jersey colors and logos than they do about our criminally bad ignorance when it comes to player development?
and why does the coach that doubles the winning % while doing exactly what management asked for, and getting younger, get fired after 1 seasons because a few guys that were worthless felt overworked and over coached? kemba owes that dude his LIFE. how much you wanna bet that if we hired clifford last year instead of this year, that he starts sessions over kemba? he'd probably start pargo over kemba. and kemba felted over coached? and you fire the guy instead of telling him what he needs to work on and letting him work on it?
these are all signs of absolute ineptitude at the top and throughout the organization.
you guys would be blown away to know the economic impact of our team being this bad for the local economy. We're talking hundreds of millions annually in lost revenues and taxes (large amounts being from outside mecklenburg) because we have such a worthless franchise. rebranding won't change that. better management would.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 3, 2014 8:49:02 AM
MW, we all look forward to you posting that information. When are you going to do so?
Why don't you just email your source and post it today?
If the Kit Kats do succeed 2 seasons in a row (which would be a first in 2 d-e-c-a-d-e-s) all credit accrues to Gettleman (who I said was the correct choice all along). What happened to that dude who said Gettleman was too old?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 9:06:39 AM
Charlottean . Come on . Dunlap was a bad hire . Pt here's no way he gets this team to be tops in at least defensive stats w his schemes . He played Sessions , Kemba and Gordon way too much last yr as a unit to ever be where they are now . Kemba has not learned under Dunlap how to run the point position any better than Clifford who has gotten him to play some on ball defense and at times , to move the ball . Most of his schemes were gimmicks whc didnt work and he was abrasive whc defeats getting thru to players . I could go on and on . Clifford has a clue and works w conventional practices . The Cats are better off . I comment on how they must improve to win playoff rounds . We can all talk about the great feats of Jefferson or the others inc the record but it's burying your head in the sand if you want to win playoff rounds . And past feats won't change things if the bb fundamentals are not carried out . And I will comment on high usesage players that don't share the ball that kills the team .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 3, 2014 9:39:25 AM
"you guys would be blown away to know the economic impact of our team being this bad for the local economy."
I'm interested, please share the numbers with us.
You are correct, the entire organization is completely inept. This is what I've saying all along, why does this simple fact make people so darn mad?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 9:47:10 AM
"...MKG scored 40 points tomorrow (which he's clearly capable of, btw)..."
40? His last 5 games combined don't add up to 40. I like MKG, he's a very nice kid and I would love to see him thrive but let's be honest, he can't shoot. Can't shoot a lick. If you're gonna draft a 6'6" guy at number 2 I expect him to be able to shoot.
He did go 3-3 from the line against PHO but is still below 60% for the season. He has taken 94 FT's and missed 38 -- that's just unacceptable.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 10:28:16 AM
ironman - he played who he had. those defensive stats everyone wants to give clifford credit for have EVERYTHING to do with personnel. as evidenced when MKG went down and then came back. wow all of a sudden the stats go back up. that's personnel. dunlap DID play gordon and sessions too much. and stopped as soon as he could get away with it. it's guys like gordon and tyrus thomas and brendan haywood who got the guy fired because he wasn't playing them. guys like mullens because he was too hard on them. that guy was not a bad hire, he was a bad fire. the mistakes were correctable with time/experience and better personnel to work with. clifford has us going nowhere in place.
Nastar you arguing economic impact of winning teams vs. losing teams?
wins go up, attendance goes up, viewership goes up, team value goes up, payroll goes up. with each of those come bi-products. more payroll = more jobs, more spending locally. more attendance = more hotels, more parking, more restaurant, more bar, more vendor income. More stadium staff jobs. More local suppliers supplying more to the stadium. Local brands with partnerships with the team benefit from increased brand presence due to association with winning franchise.
how is this even debatable?
as for the "kitty kats".....all gettleman did was execute marty hurney's plan. 11 starters on offense, 11 starters on defense, 3 main special teamers. 18 of the 25 were hurney guys, 6 were gettleman guys. of the 6, 1 of them was replacing injured charles godfrey. another was the obvious draft pick that hurney would have taken when he fell from #1 all the way to 14 on a BS medical report (conspiracy?). The other 4 were ted ginn, drayton florence or melvin white, mike mitchell, and chase blackburn. ginn and mitchell played big parts in success this year, but are any of those 4 guys franchise building blocks? no. neither is lester/mykell.
if they win 2 years in row, it's because of cam, keuchley, olsen, smith, silatolu, kalil, hardy, johnson, davis, etc. throw lotulelei in there too.
but this is the team hurney built and should have won last year if it weren't for horrible coaching by rivera. and i don't think hurney would have given the guy a 3 year extension for 1 playoff birth after the disaster that was 2012's season. guy goes 7-9 where 7 games were lost because of him making an idiot decision in a crucial situation. he limits those mistakes and voila the team is 12-4 in 2013. amazing. same group of guys. the guys hurney picked and signed.
panthers franchise has hardly ever made bonehead moves and when they did it was during the seifert era and those were hard to blame. richardson brings in a superbowl coach, who signs names like eric swann, chuck smith, reggie white, etc. and it didn't work. the guys were done. and he learned from it and hasn't done it since. unlike dan snyder. there's nothing to complain about with the panthers. 2 of the 4 seasons that were worse than 7-9 were 2010 and 2011 which were intentional rebuilding years that landed is our 2 cornerstone players. nothing at all comparable to the bobcats who only have 1 or 2 seasons of 7-9 or better. and no seasons comparable to 12-4 or 11-5. 1 year comparable to 8-8 or 9-7. tons of years comparable to 3-13 or worse. night and day.
closest thing to a dampier trade by the panthers? giving away jon beason for a 7th rounder. and that was a gettleman move. savings were limited to give up a guy that was a pro bowler AT OUTSIDE LINEBACKER right before he got back in shape instead of just waiting on him and seeing what was there. or getting ANY kind of value what so ever for him would have been nice.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 3, 2014 10:42:38 AM
"Nastar you arguing economic impact of winning teams vs. losing teams?"
Of course not.
You said we'd be "blown away" by the numbers. I'm just interested to know what the numbers are...do you have them?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 11:34:21 AM
Iron Man and NASTAR. The dream team! They should get together. NASTAR can run a team and Iron Man can coach it! Surprised neither had reached that level.
Posted by: Mike | Feb 3, 2014 11:54:48 AM
it's immeasurable without the reality of success to know how much they've been missing out on all these years.
but it has to be up there based on the effects caused by panthers success vs. not, and even the effects caused by large concerts/events at the arena. miley cyrus comes to town, eric clapton comes to town, beyonce comes to town......lot of people get a bump.
there are cities that see that kind of bump 41 times a year plus however many playoff games they manage that particular year.
but yeah.....knights baseball. lot of good that is going to do. tons of out of towners making the drive and staying at hotels to watch AAA baseball. I'm sure all the chicagoans (especially the south-siders) are making that trip to check up on the prospects.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 3, 2014 2:20:18 PM
Its amazing how these threads fall apart.
Back to bball.
So is anyone else nervous we end out 8th and 14th overall and get swept in 4 by Pacers. At least 7th and against the heat could be more fun. 6th should be the goal.
And Jefferson has looked great and every bit worth the money. Get him another piece and we are consistent solid playoff team. Which by the way was all the original hornets really were also.
Posted by: Season Ticket holder for now | Feb 3, 2014 2:27:12 PM
"Get him another piece and we are consistent solid playoff team. Which by the way was all the original hornets really were also."
Good observation. Would this be enough for you? Meaning, getting to the playoffs kinda often but not really making much in the way of noise (Hornets actually did make a little noise). Personally I'd be good with this.
Air Min has promised repeated deep forays into the playoffs and a championship contender -- which is just farcical. There is no way this franchise, in this town, with this owner, will ever contend for a championship, just not gonna happen.
This franchise, in this town, with a different owner, who knows...
Realistic expectations are what it's all about so set yours accordingly, slurpers...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 4:09:47 PM
consistent 8 seed, maybe. never going to be a contender with that dude playing the 5 and being the focal point.
and i'm super nervous we're finishing 8th. pick goes to chicago, detroit keeps their pick miraculously, we end up picking like 26th in a stacked draft. when we COULD have played biyombo up some more, played zeller up some more, played MKG up some more........maybe won 2 or 3 less games, have both our pick and probably detroit's pick and improvement out of our 3 previous draft picks to build on going into next year.
that's the reality we're staring down. even worse would be if we finish one game out and the pick ends up being 11th because of a lottery miracle by denver or somebody.
we're in win-now mode and not capable of winning anything. it's absolutely delusional. i'm not against TRYING to win every game, but there has to be some sort of long term thinking if they are ever going to smell the kind of teams that the actual hornet franchise put together. you had the bogues/curry/gill/johnson/mourning run and you had the davis/wesley/mashburn/brown/campbell run and you had the wesley/phills/rice/mason/divac.
7 trips to the playoffs in 10 years. 4 trips to the second round and some near misses in those 2nd rounds. (3) 50 win seasons.
this team isn't sniffing 40 and they don't look poised to do it next year either as a lot of these other teams will be even better next year. even the new york's and brooklyns will surely get more out of their group's next year than they did early on this year.
atlanta is 25-21 without horford AND they have cap room next summer.
detroit has cap room AND assets. they have the luxury of picking between monroe and smith who will no doubt be more tradeable next year at the deadline than this year.
cleveland has ridiculous cap space to either keep deng and then some or replace him and then some.
chicago's winning with what they have and they'll be getting augustin back and probably mirotic coming over as well. might even land a late lottery pick from us.
boston has cap room, assets galore, rondo back, improving young talent, etc.
there just aren't enough teams in the east that we're beating out long term.
we're talking about 13 teams for 6 spots and the only one that doesn't appear to be going anywhere next year is milwaukee. everybody else is either already beating us with younger cores this year, or they have wayyyy too much coming back.
even philly has ridiculous cap room and assets, plus noel joining MCW and a top 5 pick in this draft. you might be staring down a MCW/Turner*/wiggins/young/noel lineup next year like wtf happened to philly being weak?
the cup is like 56% empty and it hasn't looked 44% full in a while.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 3, 2014 4:11:22 PM
Let's not let conventional wisdom get in the way. The Bobcats have now improved 3 straight seasons. Have more picks than they ever have had and have cap space. So the assumption is that they don't get better next year? That makes absolutely zero sense. They are moving in the right direction for a change. Why assume it would stop? 7 wins, 21 wins, 32 wins?, ????wins.
Posted by: Stan | Feb 3, 2014 4:16:13 PM
Stan, what's your prediction for wins next year?
More importantly, when do you expect the Boob's to notch their second playoff series win?
This is after what His Minimumness has promised -- repeated deep forays into the playoffs and a championship contender.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 4:42:21 PM
the "improvement" this year came from the outside not from within. if we were winning 28-30 games this year on MKG's back or biz or cody's backs or a combination of all of the above along with kemba and gerald? sure. or even if they were all playing and showing growth alongside al.....sure. but that isn't what we're seeing.
we're seeing a lot of sessions/tolliver/mcroberts/jefferson getting us a few close wins against bad teams. that's not sustainable growth. that doesn't lead to 32 wins this year and 45 the next and onward. that leads to 32 this year, 32 next year, maybe 35 if we're lucky and then giving up and rebuilding again.
the team last year was significantly younger in age per minute played. MKG instead of being groomed like kemba was last year, has been sat in the corner and told he's a role player (guess what geniuses.......he's not). biz went from being a two time top 10 shot blocker to hardly playing. and the guy has improved every aspect of his game without being given the opportunity to grow it out even more. only time biz gets the ball on the block is when he goes and gets the ball himself on the block. and he does that quite a bit and finishes to the tune of 63% this year. and making more free throws too (59%). why is he playing less instead of more? who is to say that this wasn't going to be the year that he broke out and contended for DPOY, absolutely destroyed the glass to the tune of 13 a game? that's what he looked on line for in preseason and at the beginning of the year when al was out.
is al going to get better at defense? no. could biz get better at offense? yes.
biz's defensive skill is completely comparable to al's offense. and vice versa. so......shouldn't more emphasis be placed on developing the kids offense?
and zeller? i mean if you took everything that has happened this year and just flip flopped cody and josh's minutes.....1 - we probably win more games, not less and 2 - we win more games next year. the kid can absolutely play ball. he and mkg playing as little as they have is appalling. they were pulled saturday night for tolliver and adrien in fluff time with the game long over. so we sit back watching pargo and tolliver launch away instead of using the time to develop our young guys (like phoenix did with goodwin and len).
we aren't getting these guys better and by default, not getting better for next year.
free agency consists of evan turner, lance stephenson, greg monroe, and gordon hayward. and all but stephenson are restricted. and all will surely draw a lot of offers. other teams have more value in their cap room because they have better management and can pull trades and such to use the cap room to bring in a solid player in a salary dump. we don't have that. we're lucky we haven't seen dampier pt 2 in the past few weeks. it's probably right around the corner.
who on this roster gets better to make this team better next year, how do they get better without playing or having any kind of fit with al/kemba, and if the answer is nobody.......who is it that we're bringing in that makes the team better next year? because like I said.....we might be picking 26th at the rate things are going.
please explain how this is making us better next year as opposed to actually developing our young guys. there's no excuse for using garbage time to give some worthless vets some run. well run franchises don't do that.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 3, 2014 4:46:46 PM
"why is he playing less instead of more?"
What's the answer in your opinion?
Heck, even I didn't see Biz falling all the way to a 10th man role (8th or 9th was my expectation)....clearly the owner and coach have basically given up on this guy -- what do they know that you don't?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 3, 2014 6:51:33 PM
i don't think management has given up on him at all. they just don't know what they're doing. they somehow got convinced (probably by jefferson's agent) that the utah way works best and that they should take a guy that's ready to play now and decide to wait until next year on the guy. which is only going to make him worse.
can't wait to see which team grabs him up the second we let it happen. washington would be a great fit for him. houston or san antonio too.
he does 3 things exceptionally well.....defense, rebound, finish at the rim. I just described an elite big man.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 11:03:56 AM
"he does 3 things exceptionally well.....defense, rebound, finish at the rim."
Problem is his running mates include an overall #2 who can't shoot, and a #9 who is 5'11" and playing out of position, and both of them take priority (not to mention the #4 who looks completely lost)...so the #7 who can't catch, dribble or shoot falls to 10th in the rotation.
They don't call him Large & In Charge Cho for nothin!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 4, 2014 6:22:00 PM
i don't think the 4 looks lost at all. dude just looks like he needs playing time. he looks like he could play 40 minutes tonight and have 25 and 13. he just doesn't play starters minutes. and doesn't get the ball where he should, either.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 6:48:29 PM
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