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February 03, 2014
Source: 76ers open to trading Evan Turner, Bobcats have some interest. No deal is imminent
OAKLAND, Calif. – The Philadelphia 76ers are open to trading forward Evan Turner and the Charlotte Bobcats have looked into acquiring him, an NBA source confirmed to the Observer Monday.
Turner, a 6-foot-7 forward, averages 18.1 points and six rebounds this season for the 76ers. He could potentially add the scoring punch the Bobcats need to reach the playoffs for only the second time in their decade-long history.
The question becomes what the Bobcats would be willing to offer, considering Turner would become a restricted free agent this summer. The team with his rights would have to make Turner a qualifying offer of about $8.7 million to restrict him.
The Bobcats have assets they could throw into trades. They could have as many as three first-round picks in what should be a rich 2014 draft – their own and picks potentially owed them by the Portland Trail Blazers and Detroit Pistons.
However, the Bobcats might owe their own pick to the Chicago Bulls (to complete the Tyrus Thomas trade). The picks Detroit and Portland owe Charlotte have some protection; more than likely the Bobcat get Portland’s pick in June. It’s less likely they end up with Detroit’s.
As far as making a Turner trade work under the salary cap, the Bobcats have Ben Gordon’s expiring contract, worth $13.2 million in cap value this season.
Nothing about the Bobcats’ interest appears imminent to making a deal.
Posted by Observer Sports on February 3, 2014 at 08:18 PM | Permalink
I would love this as long as we keep MKG. Turner can play the 2 & 3 and could start at the 3. There are 96 minutes for Hendo, Turner, and MKG to share.
I would think Ben Gordon and the PDX pick for Turner and some change would be fair for both teams.
Posted by: Season ticket holder | Feb 3, 2014 9:18:10 PM
I would trade MKG for Turner all day - then draft Hood, Warren and Hairston in the draft. That would really get some fire power on the flooer for the Hornets...
Henderson Hood Hairston
Turner Warren Taylor
Posted by: Dom | Feb 3, 2014 11:28:42 PM
Don't want a rental. Bad move by the Cats, so I bet this ends up a reality.
Posted by: Timmy | Feb 4, 2014 8:25:43 AM
Clifford totally under utilizes Mkg . I believe this is wrong but he's forcing Chos hand by not playing him in crunch time until recently and less minutes than a no two pick should get . Mj has not spoken highly of Mkg in the past impliedly . He said these high draft picks are not complete and take yrs to develop and Mkg has some kid in his game . It's no question , Turner would upgrade the sf position , keep pace w rebounding and help the Cats rely less on McRoberts and even Kemba in facilitating . He can run the pick and roll too which hasn't been done and play sg if Henderson walks or gets traded . At least Cho is helping to fight for a playoff spot . This will help Mkgs development possibly since he will be pushed .
Posted by: Iron man | Feb 4, 2014 8:31:11 AM
Dom - have you watched any college basketball besides the ACC this year? Those draft picks are laughable.
Posted by: RB Ron | Feb 4, 2014 8:46:25 AM
Not interested. We have enough mediocre players on this team as it is.
Posted by: email@example.com | Feb 4, 2014 9:30:43 AM
This guy is an absolute playmaker. Look at what he's doing this year and that's with MCW handling the ball most of the time. You put him here as the primary and make kemba the secondary and you get more out of both.
and yeah if MKG is involved in ANY trade not landing a future HOF caliber guy, eff that.
we should easily be able to get this deal done with a pick and gordon for turner and richardson. they clear cap space and get SOMETHING for turner (who they don't want long term).
this wouldn't be a rental as long as we actually planned to build around turner. you don't have to give up much because we can just bluff that we're offering him 13 million this summer anyways and make it a public rumor so nobody else trades for the guy. people would believe it given our track record. it would absolutely stack the deck in our favor. then you get him, restrict him and at the very least.....have him for a year and a half (ironically, the exact time jefferson is definitely under contract for). more than likely, the guy signs an offer sheet around 40-45 million this summer and we match it. and he's worth every penny of that if you give him that hedo turkoglu type role in the offense.
we should have traded for the guy 2 years ago when he was free. we're always overpaying in trades and free agency. just once I want to see them pull off a heist and realize some level of respectability.
JUST ONCE FOR EFFING CHRIST JESUS SHUTTLEWORTH'S SAKE.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 10:59:01 AM
Who is shuttleworth? This guy seems spot on it...
Posted by: Headstrong | Feb 4, 2014 12:05:35 PM
Man, adding Evan Turner to Kemba, Henderson and MKG doesn't seem to be a good idea.
Maybe Henderson for Turner is the optimal deal? Having 4 guys who aren't bigs and deserve minutes and only one of them shoots 35% from 3? Kembas the only one even shooting 30% from 3!
Seems like a recipe for disaster offensively, Turners a hideous defender too..
The Turkoglu role works if Turner can shoot 38% from 3 instead of 28%
The bobcats spacing has been provided by guys like josh McRoberts, Tolliver, Pargo, CDR since Jeff Taylor, Henderson and Sessions can't shoot anymore..
Man what a mess. I'd rather chase Spencer Hawes I think. Imagining 5 defenders lounging around the lane while the Bobcats wings miss 75% of their 3s doesn't seem fun
Posted by: Nich | Feb 4, 2014 12:34:00 PM
Lateral move. Unless you are shipping Hendo and Gordon, say no. DO NOT LET MKG GO!
Posted by: Go Cats! | Feb 4, 2014 12:40:48 PM
I would trade either MKG/Gordon or Hendo/Gordon for him but I wouldnt give up any picks.
Posted by: john fox | Feb 4, 2014 12:47:25 PM
Improvement is necessary. Need to add another scorer to improve spacing for Big Al and Kemba. How about Evan Turner/Thaddeus Young for MKG/Ben Gordan?
Sorry, this looks like the ceiling for MKG. Unlike football, where players can improve their skillset during the week, MKG has only summers to improve. Averaging 8 points (most by layups and dunks, which is not sustainable), he is not trending north where he should be.
Also, adding a three point shooter alongside Tolliver who is not really a three point threat, but he spaces well and does command some attention when he is behind the Arc.
Posted by: noWorries | Feb 4, 2014 12:52:05 PM
turner isn't a primary scorer, he's more of a playmaker. you're getting him to be the playmaker that kemba can't be.
as much as kemba isn't a great shooter and i don't put a TON of stock into him as a shooter......he has steadily improved over the years and 35.5% is absolutely respectable. way better than I ever thought he'd do, and i think he's on an upward trajectory with that still. he could easily get to that 38-40% range if the playmaking duties were taken away from him and he was asked to be more of a spot up shooter and iso scorer which are his strengths.
I do agree regarding henderson. I would move him in another deal for a pure shooter, and keep in mind you have taylor (hopefully back to normal 100%) coming back next year.
and his defense is hideous? says who? there isn't a single scouting report in the league that says he's a bad defender.
the thing about turner is....he's a legit threat to pass AND finish in the pick and roll. we get zeller going more with both that top of the key jumper to go along with his ability to finish at the rim and they could be a far more formidable duo than he and kemba. especially when kemba is improving his shot and spotting up on the wing as the 3rd option there.
walker/henderson/mkg/mcroberts/jefferson isn't going anywhere so they gotta shake it up one way or another. I'm completely ok with it being via trade as long as we aren't compromising future for present (unless it's present in a big way) and as long as we aren't getting raped in the deal.
I would prefer we just start playing the young guys and get our draft pick instead. i think a guy like rodney hood could be a great nba player at 9 or 10.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 12:59:20 PM
Evan Turner is a good, even a very good, all around player. He can score and pass (a point forward), he can defend and rebound.
But, he's not a pure shooter (31.5% NBA career average for 3 point shooting).
Evidently, he's starter caliber, and getting another wing starter who can play, but is not a shooter, is not what we need.
Posted by: Sandy | Feb 4, 2014 1:18:09 PM
Trade Kemba, he's too short. Keep MKG.
Posted by: The Dude | Feb 4, 2014 1:20:34 PM
Kemba (off the ball in offense, defending the PG), Turner (playmaker in offense, defending SG), MKG (starting SF). Not good enough for spreading the floor in offense.
We'll find a pure shooter on the wing. Maybe, Rodney Hood, while keeping both Hendo and MKG in the rotation (96 minutes divided between three main wing rotation players).
It's really too early to talk about the Draft, or about other possible off-season moves. That's why, in 'maybe, Rodney Hood" I'd emphasize MAYBE.
Posted by: Sandy | Feb 4, 2014 1:37:34 PM
this trade would hurt the growth of MGK & would just be a good move for the rest of the season bc once taylor comes back he is goin to demand his mins back
Posted by: tre4boi | Feb 4, 2014 1:38:39 PM
I think they should trade Gordon/Session/Biyombo and a draft pick for Tuner/Hawes/Anderson
Posted by: Malek | Feb 4, 2014 2:11:58 PM
kemba shouldn't even be starting though. turner should be brought here to play the one. bring in an elite shooter to play the 2 in the draft or in free agency.
pair it with moving mcroberts and sessions for ilyasova.......there's your floor stretched. keep working zeller on his shooting.
we need shooters. there's no doubt about that. we're somehow only 9th from the bottom in %, but we're second to last in made 3's. and that's with an elite post up big. 4th from the bottom in eFG%.
no doubt we need shooters. but some guys also become better shooters when they get shots created for them. we don't have a whole lot of that going on either.
if we aren't going after turner, then go after eric gordon. but we have to get some improvements to this roster and ben gordon's expiring is......expiring. now's the time.
2 week countdown to......
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 3:50:33 PM
"he could easily get to that 38-40% range if the playmaking duties were taken away from him and he was asked to be more of a spot up shooter and iso scorer which are his strengths."
Take away his "playmaking duties"...? He's the point guard. Are you suggesting we start a 5'11' two-guard?
Agree with Sandy, we need some p-u-r-e shooting.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 4, 2014 3:53:08 PM
we've been starting a 5'11 2 guard for the past 2 years.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 3:57:14 PM
I'd definitely be on board with Turner at the 1.
Uh, .....Hendo isn't 5'11, though.
Posted by: The Dude | Feb 4, 2014 5:11:34 PM
"we've been starting a 5'11 2 guard for the past 2 years."
Rephrase: Are you suggesting we start a 5'11" two-guard at his natural position?!?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 4, 2014 5:26:21 PM
Rich Cho get the deal done, but don't trade MKG. I like the idea, of trading Gordon in a future 1st pick 2015 or 16.
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Feb 4, 2014 5:57:44 PM
since detroit is'nt likely to give first round pick, i say MKG for evan turner than go for fire power ( rodney hood and james mcadoo)in the draft.
Posted by: breach | Feb 4, 2014 6:00:51 PM
I would definitely go after Turner. That makes them a playoff team and a force to be reckon with in the east next season, with some off season shopping for a back up big man! Ship Ben Gordon and a 1st round draft pick for him, maybe even Mcroberts!
Could you imagine that line up next year??
C-Jefferson/Biyombo/ draft pick
Posted by: Hornets for life! | Feb 4, 2014 6:24:06 PM
it's actually still likely we get detroit's pick this year, but you don't trade it because the off chance is that it gets deferred to next year and is only top 1 protected.
if season ends today, detroit is slotted 10th meaning we would be picking 10th-13th with 10th being most likely or detroit would be picking top 3. I expect there to be some shuffling between us, detroit, and new york. no telling how that plays out.
and no, we shouldn't start walker at the 2. he should come off the bench as the 1 and close games at the 2. still play 30+ minutes per game, be a 6th man of the year candidate and so on.
trading for turner would be insurance against missing out on exum or smart which appears highly likely at this point. i'm not that big on tyler ennis, although it's still early for judgement on freshmen. i am big on hood though. looks like he spent his entire year off shooting.
if by chance we did land exum or smart, we have the luxury of making turner the 6th man and moving kemba to start as the 2, or we can just let him walk in free agency. we give up a late 1st to guarantee we aren't left with nothing. that's the key here........
we have cap room this summer, but unless we trade for turner, stephenson (not going to happen), hayward, or monroe......there isn't anything worth spending the cap space on unless via trade. and there aren't a WHOLE lot of good trades that involve absorbing salary and sending nothing back. it's a whole lot more of absorbing BS and getting a pick or a young player attached to the BS. to have any kind of leverage in landing one of those 5 guys, we need to make a move for them now. otherwise, they will most likely be returning to where they are or playing out a QO.
and we have to make trades to get better OR get better by developing the talent we have sitting on our bench. those are the 2 options for the next year and a half (and probably beyond).
I would be on board with a turner for henderson deal, turn around and send gordon and a pick to new orleans for eric gordon.
not henderson for turner without the gordon deal though.
I'm not on board with any deals involving MKG/zeller/biyombo because i think that could be the starting front court on a legit contender in 4-5 years. playoff team in a few. i even think walker/henderson/mkg/zeller/biyombo could be a great lineup but unfortunately our coach doesn't, so we're forced to speculate. we need to fill out our rotation anyways so I would still be on board with turner coming on.
i think the big thing here is....turner could be a major value play. dude might not get an offer sheet above 35 million for 5 years. 24 million for 3 years. maybe 24 million for 6 years. and at those price points.....he's worth every penny. and that's the key: getting value from your cap space. anytime you overpay a guy you are hurting your team. even if a guy is a bad fit, if you can grossly underpay him and make him look like a superstar, he becomes the absolute unicorn in trade talks. turner could be that guy.
eric gordon could be the right guy to pair with him in the backcourt, too.
if we're buyers.....these deals are being handed out there. i mean ilyasova's value has been KILLED by milwaukee.....that dude is a big time ball player. and only 26. if there is ANY deal that involves josh mcroberts and a lottery protected pick for ilyasova.......i'm not only on board.....i'm wondering why it hasn't been done yet. it appears that milwaukee would do that deal just to free up more minutes for their young players and their incoming top 4 pick (probably parker or embiid).
cool stat: we're 4.5 games ahead of utah/sacramento (the worst teams in the west) and currently sitting outside of the lottery.
prediction: we do nothing or nothing of sense or significance at the trade deadline......stumble into the playoffs or worse, miss the playoffs by a game........and still end up giving the #11 pick to chicago. and somehow detroit ends up picking top 3. and we get portland's pick and nothing more.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 6:44:03 PM
Trade mkg he is flawed, one of the worst high draft pick ever as a #2 I like turner as a pLayer, he is overall better than Mgk and close to the same age, trade Gordon and Mgk for turner str8 up keep our picks, draft the shooting guard from michgan if we can or a similar player
Posted by: Teedog | Feb 4, 2014 7:09:37 PM
Trading for Evan Turner, when I look at the scope of things is a bad move.
Trading Gordon is important but the deal has got to fit the long term plan. Taking on Jason Richardson contract a bad move.
We need to look into bigger deal. Not making the playoffs this season no big deal. Making the playoffs no big deal. We've gotta keep building for a champion team.
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Feb 4, 2014 7:45:21 PM
If I was Rich Cho, I would try to trade with Houston for PG Jeremy Lin and SF Omri Casspi for a future #1 rd pk and expiring. Then i would trade Sessions and Future #2 rd pk for SG Vince Carter,SG Wayne Ellington.
We need shooters, we need to spread the flr.
Jeremy Lin is great shooter and passer. Plus he gives us international appeal. Omri Casspi can shoot. And Vince Carter is crafty vet with a killer instinct. And Ellington also a great shooter. Waive Jeff Adrian,and CDR
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Feb 4, 2014 8:31:41 PM
Please get over "lets keep MKG" talk. The guy is seriously flawed. Leave "hustle" plays to Defensive Lineman. We need players that can score. Dump MKG, find serviceable 3pt shooters who can space the court/defend.
If Kemba is did what he did last year with no spacing, constant double teams; this year with Big Al prior to getting hurt, imagine what he could do if the court is spread using a pick and roll game.
Kemba stays; MKG, send him back home to Philly/Jersey area.
Posted by: noWorries | Feb 4, 2014 8:52:33 PM
Houston isnt trading those guys. Dallas neither.
And mkg is 20. Turner is 25. Everyone thought he was flawed when he was 21. You guys go tta be more patient. Kid can ball.
Mkg had 11 points in the third quarter alone last game. If he was given the ball more, and played more, you guys would see more. 5th youngest in the league right now. Be patient. Kid is elite talent.
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 4, 2014 8:57:59 PM
Houston wants to sign a third big star to go along with D12 and
James Harden, plus don't wanna pay last year of poison pill deal. OK trade him get future 1st clear up cap space.
Charlotte needs points off the bench, Jeremy Lin and Omri Casspi can help.
But the matter of playoff experience can be addressed with Acquiring Vince Carter and Wayne Ellington.
Dallas knows its rebuilding time so Mark Cuban is looking for assets. The West is so competitive I doubt they even make a 8 seed in the playoffs
Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Feb 4, 2014 9:06:33 PM
The "kidd" can barely dribble left. To imply that he can ball, I would like to see an arsenal of moves. He has never had to develop his game cause all he did was drive to the basket. He is no different than Tebow. His mechanics do not translate to the highest level of competition.
Notice he always run the floor on the right hand side and can not dribble left (if he does he picks it up after one dribble then jump steps or spins). How many times do I have to see him dribble the ball of the side of his feet then see the ball go out of bounds. Sorry, its easy to recognize basketball talent. Its even easier to recognize when there is lack of talent as well. Good Kidd, but dunks and layups are not sustainable unless you can bring something else.
He can not generate offense nor can space the floor due to lack of shooting. If he is defined as a wing player, he needs the skillset of a wing player.
If he had potential say of a Jeremy Lamb, then I would say yes keep him. Difference is, you can see the potential in one; the other has no shot, no ball handling, and can not space the court.
Would love to keep him here, but the eyes dont lie. He's a nice cheap asset. If we keep him, remove him from the starting rotation...MOVE HIM TO BENCH.
Posted by: noWorries | Feb 4, 2014 9:41:41 PM
If we could get Evan Turner for a MKG and Ben Gordon trade that would be awesome, MKG was nothing but a project when we brought him in that turned out to be a flop, dude can't dribble, has no outside game and is a poor mans version of Gerald Wallace, least Wallace had some outside range, I can shoot 3s as good as MKG and is supposed to be a wing player! He is mediocre at rebounding and his steals per game have went down as well. We screwed up as a team when we didn't draft Harrison Barnes instead of MKG! Barnes is out preforming him in every category basically and isn't even starting hardly in Golden State!! Trade MKG for Barnes straight up!! We need a scorer and anyone who thinks we need to get rid of Kemba is a fool! Kemba and Jefferson are the heart of the team, without them we don't even need to worry about being the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs!! Hendo would be a quality 6th man! Honestly we need to get a good SG and SF in this next draft, Big Al has plugged up the middle, we have a facilitator in Kemba, who has range, speed, can pass and do what is needed by a PG! Get scorers in a SG and SF! I say draft PJ Hairston, that kid is tearing up the D League and has the athletic ability to be a beast, has outside range, can dribble and go to the rack, and can rebound, dude can play the 2 or 3! Then look to draft Glen Robinson III, Adrien Payne, CJ Fair, Shabazz Napier or best available! CJ Fair can score, Napier would give us a good young back up PG if we let Gordon go in a trade, Payne can play PF and has NBA Range, he is like a Black Dirk! Let's get this ship heading in the right direction since we are changing names back to the Hornets!
Posted by: aepfeiffer | Feb 5, 2014 4:02:09 AM
Dump MKG for a bag of rocks and some skittles. He's the biggest bust in the league other than Bennett.
Posted by: Frank | Feb 5, 2014 5:53:27 AM
is bennett a bust? or has he just not played? the 1 game he actually played minutes in, he played great.
is mike brown a reputable coach to trust in dealing with a rookie?
Posted by: charlottean | Feb 5, 2014 6:49:06 AM
Keep mkg he's up and coming that's what's wrong with the bobcats there always trading there players or selling them and don't give the team enough time to create chemistry. With the players we have leads us to a decent record so far this yr, two teams owe use trades and we have a rich draft this yr let's find another underrated clutch player like Jefferson
Posted by: superior1ceo | Feb 6, 2014 11:14:59 AM
Not a Cats fan (Knicks fan). From what I've watched MKG is an above average defender, with a relatively poor offensive game. Honestly the Cats need some more offense. Jefferson is their best scorer and Kemba can score as well...but Henderson I think fits more of a 6th man role. You aren't getting anything much from MKG. Anyway, if you look at the Bobcats, they aren't a very efficient team outside of Jefferson and while Turner would certainly be an offensive upgrade compared to MKG, he is a below average defender and is simply not efficient. So would the Bobcats score more with Turner? Most likely...but it wouldn't make the offense more efficient. Turner is better at 3's (28% to 11%) and can distribute and rebound better than MKG. But Turner's 17.9 PPG this season wouldn't translate on the Bobcats since they play at a slower pace. He also shoots something like 42% from the field.I'd think Turner's scoring would settle somewhere around 13 a game if he was moved. If its MKG for Turner it is a good trade for the Bobcats. They make that trade they certainly make the playoffs over the Knicks but they won't do much as the 8th seed.
Posted by: Ismail | Feb 6, 2014 1:45:42 PM
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 9, 2014 1:20:13 PM
What are the Booobs gonna do?!?!?!?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 9, 2014 9:19:35 PM
Don't look now slurpers but Larry Brown has the SMU Mustangs ranked for the first time in 28 years!!
Everywhere you turn, a former Boob striking gold... Don't you know they're thrilled to have escaped the asylum!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 10, 2014 11:46:08 PM
Turner isn't the answer, and trading MKG for him is dumb. MKG is the by far the best defender on this top 5 defensive team. Do not forget why the Bobcats are doing so well right now is because of defense. They can put MKG on most SF(nobody can stop Melo or Lebron). The only problem for the Bobcats is they don't run MKG as a scoring option. He only shots 6 times a game, but he does so at 60%. Until MKG starts to make his opposing SF work on defense he's going to have tough nights when guys get hot. Bottom line, the Bobcats already have what they need to win more games in the East. They just need more shots from Zeller and MKG. The Bobcats only need about 5-10+ points per game to win. I'm still waiting for Zeller's mid range jumper to appear like it did in Summer League
Posted by: SkazaRemi | Feb 11, 2014 9:53:00 AM
^^^^ Given where Sixers stand and are likely to pick seems to me Biz would be a greater risk of being traded than MKG.
Almost the entire front row behind the team bench is for sale 3hrs20mins before game time. Half on TM for face ($336, yeah right)...the other half on StubHub for $134...LOL, they can't give 'em away.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 11, 2014 4:47:47 PM
Make that 2hrs20mins...and counting!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 11, 2014 4:48:39 PM
Be interesting to see what kind of attendance the Boobs announce for tonight...
...gotta be 4,000 seats for sale on TM in the upper bowl 90 mins before tip.
And slurpers, don't give me this "it's snowing" nonsense -- you a bunch of fair weather fans?
I might have to start a blog myself and take screenshots off TM and post them with comparisons to what the Boobs are announcing for attendance -- won't look good for Air Min, Yes Co. & Cho!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 11, 2014 5:36:48 PM
Kudos to the Boobs -- that was one well played basketball game.
Continued play like that oughta be enough to sew up an 8th seed.
"Tightness in the achilles" ain't good...
Tolliver moving up in the rotation -- how long until he's a starter?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Feb 11, 2014 9:25:32 PM
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