June 11, 2014
Charlotte Hornets' Steve Clifford: No summer substitute for working out with the coaching staff
The Charlotte Hornets had nearly half the roster working out in mid-June at the team’s practice gym Wednesday.
It wasn’t just the kids, either. The group included center Al Jefferson, shooting guard Gary Neal, point guard Kemba Walker and small forwards Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Jeff Taylor.
None of them were obligated to be there. But it’s become the norm since Steve Clifford became coach a year ago. Clifford has let the players know that’s his expectation.
“This is the way it has always been in the places I have been in. I don’t think it’s common throughout the league,” Clifford said after coaching Walker’s workout.
“To really get better, they should be here with us. They should be here because our coaches know them better; they know what they should be working on.”
Some players instead will leave town and hire personal trainers or outside coaches to tutor them in the summer. Clifford doesn’t see that as matching what the staff provides:
“A lot of guys will give them good workouts but (they’re) not going to be able to say to any of these guys all the time, ‘You’ve got to go a little harder. You need to do this, you need to do that.’
“I also think they need to take advantage of (strength and conditioning coach) Matt Friia, who is excellent. They can’t do that unless they’re here in Charlotte. They know that’s how I feel. I think it’s great they’re here and I also think it’s where they should be.”
Posted by Observer Sports on June 11, 2014 at 02:34 PM | Permalink
So which players aren't there?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 11, 2014 3:04:03 PM
who is not there? all players under contract not listed in the article above including Henderson who better be shooting 1000 jumpers a day somewhere
Posted by: I am your father | Jun 11, 2014 3:56:40 PM
Clifford doesn't need a bb practice court . He needs a class room . He has the two main culprits that need to learn how a real team functions . Shooting. Drills is the last thing those two need . Well , Kemba needs them . But basic bb fundamentals and team play . It's amazing how much the captains and coaches of both finals teams preach sharing the ball . It's a big issue if you listen in on timeouts , interviews and huddles before the games start . They share the ball incredibly and it's still an big issue . Here , it's huge bc the ball is simply not shared but hogged . Get these two in class . Teach them that it's not about achievements but a sacrifice for the team . If you draw a defender in the paint after you get by your man. Find the open man . If you get doubled or tripled in the paint , find the open man . This is paramount and far more important than summer practice . PRACTICE ? PRACTICE ? For what ????? Says Iverson . Get to class Jefferson . Take Kemba w you .
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 11, 2014 4:08:45 PM
I saw on a website that Jeff Adrien was also in town practicing with the old teammates. Any truth to that ? And if so, do you think they'll look at resigning him ?
Posted by: bb1130 | Jun 11, 2014 4:45:39 PM
Iron man - Time for you to catch up. Big Al is not the black hole in Utah anymore. He's a dominating center who just got named All-NBA third team. There were a number of games last year where his teammates would shoot the breeze and miss, and everything he put up was going in. But he did share the ball much more than he ever did in Utah. If we do manage to get a high-level free agent who can shoot well, Big Al will have no problem sharing the ball with him.
Posted by: J | Jun 11, 2014 5:08:14 PM
@IronMan- stop with the exaggeration. This past season, they shared the ball better than in past ones, which is part of the reason they won more. No, they don't pass and execute like the a Spurs, but they don't have shooters like them either. The difference is, when the Bobcats/Hornets got open looks, they couldn't always be counted on to hit them. When a team full of great shooters passes and gets open, they look brilliant. So of course the two best scorers, Kemba and Al, are going to launch more shots- nobody else is reliable enough to hit enough of them. They need shooters- bottom line.
Posted by: PanthersD | Jun 11, 2014 9:41:52 PM
Any sight of CDR Rick?
Posted by: Eric | Jun 11, 2014 10:20:07 PM
Buttfumble not in attendance? He mad about being buried at 10th on the depth chart? Cody?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 11, 2014 11:02:31 PM
Pretty sure you can only have so many players at one time when coaches are present during the off season. Which means Rick could not seen the entire team. Of course that doesn't stop people from making poor assumptions about who is working out or who isn't. Little thing called the CBA. Might be a bit advanced for some to comprehend. Good to see team leaders like Al and Kemba are here!
Posted by: Baller | Jun 12, 2014 2:33:21 AM
Ironwoman, Louis Tape, or whatever name he hides behind just wants a reaction out of y'all. Stop feeding the troll. Just ignore him and his boyfriend NASCAR. They'll go away.
Kemba is truly the consummate teammate. Shows up early to workout, got Big Al to play here, leads by example, high character guy, proven winner in college, and he shouldered the load on offense when they had no other option. Too bad we have bums like Ironwoman and NASCAR that will constantly hate no matter what he or the team does. Sad really.
Posted by: D.W.G. | Jun 12, 2014 8:26:24 AM
There's much more to bb than hitting or missing an open spot up shot . These guys can all make layups or chip shots in the paint . The eye test tells you in no uncertain terms that Jefferson does not pass to cutters wide open for layups . And Kemba gets in the lane forcing shots at the rim after drawing defenders and teammates open for layups . This is chronic and all game bc they're more interested in personal stats and rewards . Unlike idiots like DWG , I want everyone to share the ball to the tune of the teams in the finals . Neal was on one if those teams and played splendidly bc everyone shared the ball . He got here and felt the ball hogging and got maligned as did the others . The others can play and score . Design an offense outside of dump it into Jefferson or one on one jacking by Kemba who can't shoot anyway . These guys can make layups . Taylor , Cdr , Mkg , Henderson , McRoberts , Neal . Tolliver can hit the three . Drive and dish it . How many back screens has Clifford ever called for these guys ? Lmfao !!! And if he did , would the overdribbling Kemba recognize it ? Or would Jefferson make the play ? Hell no . They won't sacrifice for the team . This is bb. The truth . It's class time they need . Not reps in the gym . To learn the game and follow it . No ones coming here until they share the ball .
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 8:53:34 AM
Deng or Afflalo would be good fits . Go to Grantland and read the recent post about Lance . He averages 13 points , gets to the line only 2.5 times a game , drives 4.2 times a game which is " so so " steals rebounds from Hibbert oer his own coach , gets a lot if his stats playing w the 2 nd unit , hogs the ball from Hibbert who stopped playing bc of it , had a fist fight w Turner , allegedly raped his 17 yr old gf ( charges dropped) , threw another gf down a flight of stairs , fought w Hill openly and is deemed average and overrated by Grantland in conclusion . He's looking for 11 m . Guys here have stated he should be paid the max . Lol. Lol. Oh . He beat down a hs teammate and got suspended . Cho looks for high character guys . He needs the ball to play bb . Good luck coming here and being a good teammate after seeing how two do I ate the ball . You might as well throw a live grenade in the lockeroom . Is this the superstar Mj is talking about ? Could it be Melo ? A worse ball hog than than anyone here , who plays no defense ?
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 9:10:27 AM
Deng or Afflalo would be good fits . Go to Grantland and read the recent post about Lance . He averages 13 points , gets to the line only 2.5 times a game , drives 4.2 times a game which is " so so " steals rebounds from Hibbert oer his own coach , gets a lot of his stats playing w the 2 nd unit , hogs the ball from Hibbert who stopped playing bc of it , had a fist fight w Turner , allegedly raped his 17 yr old gf ( charges dropped) , threw another gf down a flight of stairs , fought w Hill openly and is deemed average and overrated by Grantland in conclusion . He's looking for 11 m . Guys here have stated he should be paid the max . Lol. Lol. Oh . He beat down a hs teammate and got suspended . Cho looks for high character guys . He needs the ball to play bb . Good luck coming here and being a good teammate after seeing how two dominate the ball . You might as well throw a live grenade in the lockeroom . Is this the superstar Mj is talking about ? Could it be Melo ? A worse ball hog than than anyone here , who plays no defense ?
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 9:11:23 AM
So the Heat are going to make a bid for Melo . What they need is a center . A real big center that can help them play good on ball and help defense Blocks shots , screen and roll . They're down 2 to 1 bc they don't have one . Bosh is the only real big and he's a pf . It's the same here .. The Spurs have Duncan , Splitter and DIAW who can all play center and are huge . When will the Hornets get a big at center ? A 7 footer that can defend , block shots , play help defense etc . I'm not saying dump Jefferson . Just get a big . If Melo comes , he must play like he played in the Olympics . He was the best player on the team . They needed a zone buster and he was the guy . He actually passed too and tried to play defense .
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 9:54:59 AM
"Pretty sure you can only have so many players at one time when coaches are present during the off season."
Do you have anything to back that up or did you just make it up?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 12, 2014 10:26:39 AM
Woah . If the Heat take pay cuts They could afford Melo . As Barkley says , all the owners pay stars under the table by giving them personal services contracts where the money is paid over time . Probably why Juan Hiward got his 100 m . And he's still there . For this to work , Haslem has to forego his 4 .6 m owed next yr . Lol really ? The owners should complain . Chalmers and his 9 m demand will be sent packing . James can go steal Livy from the Nets for cheap . Cho let him go which was stupid bc he was the perfect back up for Kemba who's my favorite player on the Hornets . I just want him to defend like Pat Gregory who's no bigger and facilitate . He should stretch the floor too instead of demanding Mkg do it .
Melo at pf . Bosh at center . James at sf . Wade at sg . Livy at pt gd . This is unfair . W Allen off the bench . The only team to compete is Rose , Love and Noah . But if Mj steals Love , then maybe . If they get Love , they better keep Mkg and Henderson to have a shot at contending bc Love is not a good defender . Love will make them share the ball . He will demand it . The wings will shine then bc they will get easy buckets . If so , Neal , Cdr , Henderson , Taylor and Mkg will be a solid unit . They will compete for the eastern conference finals . This may be the superstar Mj is talking about . But it will only work if Love demands that the ball is shared . That it's moved . That it doesn't stick . Once he's here he' will see the problems and not be scared to speak out . I love it
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 11:15:25 AM
Seriously someone thinks that the NBA collective bargaining agreement would allow for full team practices with coaches present during the off-season. I don't know the specifics. But there is absolutely no way that would be allowable. I don't believe the NBA has OTA's like the NFL. If someone has the time they can probably dig up the info. It is funny that people jump to conclusions about things like this. OK. Like teams you can just have full team practice year round. Do people even follow sports or just make moronic comments?
Posted by: Dave | Jun 12, 2014 11:26:29 AM
As suspected, you made it up.
Good to hear Jeff Taylor is doing better.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 12, 2014 11:42:53 AM
As far as I can there are zero restrictions on the number of players from any given team who can show up and practice together in the summer. In fact, in New Orleans at times they have had players from other NBA teams show up and work out with the Pelican players, you can read about it here: "Four years later, the Pelicans now even have players from other NBA teams coming to New Orleans to work out in the summer." http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/player-development-program-crucial-pelicans-offseason
The team cannot make summer participation mandatory, the player always has the option...looks like a few of our have chosen to spend their time elsewhere.
As for this moronic comment: "...the NBA collective bargaining agreement would allow for full team practices with coaches present during the off-season. I don't know the specifics. But there is absolutely no way that would be allowable."
So what's the number? 6? 8? 57%? The Boobs only have 9 guaranteed contract for next season so it would be impossible to get a "full team" to show up even if they wanted.
SMH... Dave, you want to take another shot at it?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 12, 2014 1:08:58 PM
You really think teams can just practice on a year round basis? C'mon. You really can't be that stupid. There is not a players union in the world that would subject their players to that. What about having coaches there? Which Clifford obviously was. Do all the players work out at the exact same time in your world? Are they even allowed to?
By they way. Pictures on the web of Biyombo and Zeller working out at the Hornets facility. Now we are up 7 of your 9. Man. If Hendo was there you are really going to look stupid. I mean more stupid.....So it looks like all the players are at least working out in Charlotte. What was your original statement again. Wow. That has to be embarrassing.
"Buttfumble not in attendance? He mad about being buried at 10th on the depth chart? Cody?"
Ouch. That hurts.
Posted by: Dave | Jun 12, 2014 2:37:09 PM
"Pictures on the web of Biyombo and Zeller working out at the Hornets facility. Now we are up 7 of your 9."
Wait, I thought you said there was a limit on the number of players? What is it?
I'm glad to see Buttfumble showed up, he certainly needs the work. Cody I'm not surprised about, solid young man.
As a matter of fact, as long as it's voluntary I don't see where there's any limit on how much time or how many days a player can spend working out, supervised, at team facilities.
Can you prove otherwise? Nah, you can't, because you're just making it up.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 12, 2014 5:22:37 PM
DWG ... I know you're not the sharpest tool in the set . That not once have you ever posted an in depth post about anything related to bb or the Hornets . But one of the dumbest things you could say is
Kemba is the consummate teamate . Such a teamate would get inside and not force shots at the rim when doubled . Such a teamate would not at the end of each quarter , take the last shot never to ever find a better shot by a teamate only bc he has the ball . Such a teamate would once in his life advance the ball w the pass and not the dribble on the break to always be involved in the play to possibly get more shots . Such a teamate would once in awhile hit the roller on the pick and roll instead of always shooting it . Such a player would once in awhile fight over the screen in defending the pick and roll instead of going under to save picking up a personal foul which may cause him to sit . Such a player would not take plays off on the defensive end bc he's resting to jack shots on the other end . Such a player would attempt as a pt gd to make teamates around him better by getting them easy buckets once in awhile during a game . That's the consummate teammate running point . But you wouldn't know that . Bc what do you know ? It's certainly not bb fundamentals . If you did , you would never say something as stupid . Try . Just one time to post something even half ass in depth . Just try .
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 6:46:19 PM
Biz and Cody are working out? NASATAR is wrong again. Classic!
Posted by: Speedy | Jun 12, 2014 7:23:13 PM
When a slurper can't differentiate between a question and a statement of fact, nor do they have a working understanding of voluntary vs. mandatory, it's hopeless...
...but Air Minimum loves it because they slurp up whatever BS he serves up.
Hey where are the Boobs on locking up Clifford? Talk about hurting, man it's gonna kill Air Minimum to write those big fat checks to Coach Cliff.
News on which "superstar" His Min was referencing? By definition don't all "superstars" play in the All-Star game?
So who is on the list?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 12, 2014 7:53:35 PM
DWG .. Dim Witted Goofball . A few more . .. A consummate team mate wouldn't OVERDRIBBLE just to run the clock down to be the only one to shoot it . He wouldn't OVERDRIBBLE and watch a teammate go back door and not attempt to make the pass , acting like he didnt see him so he can jack it . He wouldn't interrupt the hit hand shooter by sneaking in a shot during the multiple touches he should get . He wouldn't get out on the break and go by a teamate in front of him on a two on zero and shoot the ball . ( he actually did that ) . I got 10 more but even an idiot like you should get it by now .
Posted by: Iron man | Jun 12, 2014 8:52:09 PM
Seriously. Biz and Zeller where really there. NASTAR Dude. Your streak is starting over. This Cat is never right. Must mean the Hornets are getting ready to lock up Cliff. Sweet!
Posted by: Speedy | Jun 12, 2014 9:09:39 PM
Interested to see how MKG's shooting form is developing.
Posted by: cornchip | Jun 12, 2014 9:52:01 PM
NASTAR is the same guy that ws questioning MJs finances. Jordan just made billionaire status. NASTAR is literally never ever right about anything. Whatever he says, just go the other way and take it to the bank!
Posted by: Mike T. | Jun 12, 2014 11:38:15 PM
LOL....if you think Air Min is a billionaire you're a fool. Did you see that his stake increased to 89.5% from 80%? How'd that happen? Declined capital calls? Bob Johnson had that problem...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 13, 2014 9:45:35 AM
you can't really judge who is there right now to be the measure of who is working out, either. the guys that are there now aren't playing summer league and are probably taking care of their personal matters and any vacationing NOW because they won't be able to later.
not exactly smart to judge based on a one day snap shot. but yeah....there isn't a guy on the roster that shouldn't be working his A off all summer. not a single guy. ok maybe brendan haywood can take the summer off.
i'm not aware of any restrictions to work outs with players, but obviously they can't be required practices because guys aren't under contract.
nothing better than nastar calling people out on validity of their statements. hilarious. you don't make ish up dude?
i guess you guys didn't catch boris diaw absolutely ballin last night either. only the ignorant effs here would think he isn't a good basketball player and the even more ignorant would boo the guy like he ever did anything to deserve it when he was here.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 13, 2014 4:37:35 PM
Nope blowhard, I don't.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 14, 2014 9:06:33 PM
dude you're about as credible as fox news talking about obama or cnn talking about a plane.
you make more ish up than just about everybody on here combined. you are wesley snipes calling all of the world's pots and all of the world's kettles black.
Posted by: charlottean | Jun 15, 2014 12:15:15 PM
**Steve Clifford: No summer substitute for working out with the coaching staff**
What part of that headline do you morons not understand?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jun 15, 2014 3:30:43 PM
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