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July 12, 2014

Charlotte Hornets agree to terms with forward Marvin Williams

LAS VEGAS – Within hours of learning the Utah Jazz had matched their massive offer for restricted free agent Gordon Hayward, the Charlotte Hornets came to terms with combo forward Marvin Williams.

 Williams, who also played for the Jazz last season, will get a two-year, $14 million deal. He can primarily fill some of the gap left by power forward Josh McRoberts’ departure for the Miami Heat. However, the athletic 6-9 Williams also could play some small forward in situations where coach Steve Clifford wants to go big.

 The Jazz informed the Hornets Saturday morning they would match the four-year, $63 million offer sheet to which the Hornets sign Hayward Thursday.

Posted by Observer Sports on July 12, 2014 at 07:40 PM | Permalink


that seems like more than they needed to pay him, but then again we have to overpay to get guys.

i like marvin williams, but developing zeller benefits us way more than winning a few extra games playing williams. which might not even be the case, either. might win just as many with zeller this year.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2014 8:00:46 PM

Now we are scrambling to pick up the pieces. Waaaay too much for Williams. We could have had the best 3 point shooter (% wise) in history for $3mil.

If Stepheson gets away, we have taken a huge step backwards. Should have gone all out for Parsons.

Posted by: qdog112 | Jul 12, 2014 8:05:10 PM

parsons got max from dallas. he wasn't going to take a max - state taxes from us. stephenson + love should have been the plan to begin with. stephenson's price is going up with teams coming up short on other deals.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2014 8:07:59 PM

In my humble opinion, you need 5 bigs on a roster. Now we have that, and the newest one(Williams) can play some 3-spot, defend, and make some 3's. I'm happy it is just a 2-year deal. I think this pushes Cody to deserve a starting role, and offers a solution during the limited times when MKG's horrid shooting hurts us at the 3-spot.

Posted by: DeLaQuest | Jul 12, 2014 8:09:50 PM

This seems like a panicked signing. Too much money to pay for a player with a very limited game. I suppose he will contribute some, but nothing to get excited about

Posted by: okey dokey | Jul 12, 2014 8:13:27 PM

The game is played on the court, not on stat sheets. Marvin Williams is a good pickup. Vonleh and P.J. were two excellent picks in this year's draft. With Jefferson, Kemba, and Zeller, the Hornets have a good mix of quality players. If they play solid offense and defense and good team oriented-ball, they will be in the top-tier in the East.

Posted by: Chuck | Jul 12, 2014 8:19:09 PM

no doubt williams is an short term fix hence the two year deal; williams is not without skills snd can play two positions; also a good locker room guy and mentor for zeller and vonleh; still should take a look at evan turner for the 3 which would leave plenty of cap flexibility; definitely need decent backup point; probably a third player that can play point perhaps hindrick and augustine; need another center but not sure what's out there worthwhile

Posted by: afan | Jul 12, 2014 8:30:40 PM

I guess there really wasn't a "Plan B" if the Hayward deal fell through? It does look like we're beginning to "settle". I hope there is something afoot that we know not of.

Posted by: Chltpreach | Jul 12, 2014 8:35:39 PM

Marvin Williams, Evan Turner and bring back either Sessions or Augustin would be a good offseason for Charlotte. Especially when you combine the draft of Vonleh and Hairston. Bring in Turner on a 6 million a year deal and Sessions/Augustin on a 3.5 million a year deal and we're good to go. Evan Turner is the key here. He is just as good as Hayward but we can get him for 10 million a year less.

Big Al - Biz
M. Williams - Zeller - Vonleh
Evan Turner - MKG - J. Taylor
Hendo - Neal - Hairston
Walker - Sessions/Augustin

That's a deep unit right there.

Posted by: bb1130 | Jul 12, 2014 8:39:24 PM

Color me unimpressed. When did 8 pts (avg the past 2 years) and 5 rbs = $14 million? We could have gotten McRoberts for less than that and he was the #2 assist man at the forward position in the league. Sigh. Cho and MJ better get to work.

Posted by: Chris | Jul 12, 2014 9:06:56 PM

i'm a big fan of evan turner taking josh mcroberts role as playmaker, but not as big a fan as i am of stephenson. stephenson's just as good if not better as a playmaker, way better shooter, way better defender.

marvin williams is more of a 3 than he is a 4, and he has a TON of game in him that hasn't been fully exploited. think ariza in new orleans compared to ariza with the lakers/wizards. I just don't see it being a very valuable move overall because I don't think he's better than zeller at the 4 and I know he isn't better than MKG at the 3. 7 million is a lot for a backup, so they are planning on starting in front of one of those guys and that doesn't strike me as the right course of action. that said, williams is every bit the talent that jefferson is.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2014 9:09:48 PM

chris - williams played way less minutes than mcroberts.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2014 9:12:45 PM

and mcroberts got a 4 year deal so.......14 million for 2 years is less than 23-24 for 4 years. just slightly more per year. math is cool.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 12, 2014 9:13:44 PM

Should have spent that money, and went after Trevor Ariza instead. Much better option for this team than Marvin Williams.

Posted by: jeff | Jul 12, 2014 10:18:28 PM

Trade PJ Hairston now I am sick of him and he has not taken a shot yet!!!

Posted by: Kelso | Jul 12, 2014 10:35:26 PM

Very unimpressive. Marvin is good at both ends of the floor, but he can be a starter in a middle of the pack team (as the Hornets are now), not in an elite team.

If they want to become one of the top teams in the East, why bother with Marvin, even for just two seasons?
Why not rather allow both Cody and Vonleh to develop? No, there aren't enough minutes for both of them behind Marvin Williams, even though he's a combo forward, who will spend some time at 3 too.
I would've much rather liked seeing Cody getting a chance to be the starting PF, and Vonleh getting solid minutes as a developing back-up.
I understand coach Clifford wants more experienced players, but 1) you can get that at each one of the other positions and 2) it's not like Marvin can take this team much farther than having Cody as a starter.

A bigger move is needed to redeem this off-season. Evan Turner would be more of a real improvement. Among other things, he can provide that help as a facilitator that is gone with Josh. That's not among Marvin's strengths.

Posted by: Sandy | Jul 12, 2014 11:40:45 PM

I am so glad Utah matched the offer sheet for Hayward. He was not worth almost 16 million dollars a year. Now the Hornets over pay for a Marvin Williams. I am incredibly unimpressed Rich Cho's ability in the free agent market.

Posted by: Jon | Jul 13, 2014 12:14:35 AM

Clifford is clamoring for veterans at each spot . Even Cho can't be this stupid . Cho has however run the Hornets into a ditch . It's patently obvious that Clifford is trying his best to get rid of Mkg . I would not look at Turners stats in Indy . Look at what he was doing in an uptempo game . But the problem is there's no uptempo game here . His defense is not good . If I were him , I would ho somewhere like the Cliopers . He's better than Dudley and it's an uptempo game . Bonnell says There's no push for Stephenson here . It really may be that there's no interest here from him . He was at odds w the USEAGE of Hibbert . He will be livid w the USEAGE of Jefferson . He knows there's no passing system here . He knows he will get no easy buckets from Kemba as he did from George . He knows the dump into Jefferson is crazy out of whack here . He knows this is an 8 th seed at best . He' wants to be on tv and be the first option ,not 3 rd . He knows that he will split time w Henderson until he's shipped and really is not much of an upgrade bc he's not a better scorer . His strength comes in ball handling , passing and stolen rebounds he won't get from Mkg or Jefferson here . Cho is learning on the job . Every time he gives an interview , he acts weird or like he's high on something . More imp, there's a number of guys taken after Vonleh and around Hairston . If these guys missed play much better , this should be the end of the line for Cho . Cho not only doesn't know how to evaluate talent , he doesn't know how players fit in offense schemes much . This is probably more egrious than his failure to evaluate talent .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 1:02:01 AM

"I am so glad Utah matched the offer sheet for Hayward. He was not worth almost 16 million dollars a year. Now the Hornets over pay for a Marvin Williams. I am incredibly unimpressed Rich Cho's ability in the free agent market."

I agree completely, but look at the bright side, we just overpaid 8million/year and a 2 years less than we would have with Hayward.

Posted by: the Dude | Jul 13, 2014 1:18:19 AM

Evan Turner is a terrible ball handler and he can't shoot. Don't know why some of you are asking for him. Just ask Philly fans do they miss him.

This shows they have zero confidence in Zeller. He's not ready to start. He was a reach and this signing proves it even more so. Would have liked to seen them get Humphries or Boozer, but I'm ok with Williams.

Posted by: D.W.G. | Jul 13, 2014 6:58:55 AM

In this plentiful free agent market what has Cho done ? He made a ridiculous offer to a guy he was never getting only to get some attention . Outside of that , zero . This is not a delicious stop . No one was running after Jefferson . It was a good move to get people back in the seats but only an 8 th seed move in a lousy conference where most were rushing to be last . The order next yr . 1. Bulls 2. Pacers 3. Wizards 4.cavs 5. Atlanta 6. Raptors 7. Bucks 8. Nets 9. Pistons 10. Hornets . None of these teams is tanking and all will be healthy . Cho has made no changes to get better than last yr . The biggest move is a pass first pt gd . Do anything possible to get Bledsoe in a sign n trade . Anything . He will instantly make everyone better , run the pick n roll , defend the pick n roll , stop opposing ot gd penetration , get players to run in transition ,spread the floor , score more w efficiency at pt gd and get the easy buckets for the wings in assists at the rim . All this is one move . But Cho does not understand bb and how others are impacted by pt gd play . He had no idea what McRoberts would bring and he fell in his lap . But such passing always impacts ball n man movement . Bledsoe will move the needle much more . On both ends too .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 7:29:00 AM

"That's a deep unit right there."

What does that mean?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 8:02:37 AM

Wow, I don't get some of the comments on here.
Here is my perspective. Vonleh is barely 18 yrs old. William is a decent 4 who can play the 3 a little bit, and a good mentor for Vonleh and Zeller. Let's remember that McRoberts wasn't exactly blowing up the stat sheet before he came to Charlotte. Maybe our coaches can get the same type of improvement from Williams.

Hayward was the shooter we needed, but it was always 50/50 or greater the Jazz would match. Now we still need to find a veteran shooter and hope PJ starts getting his priorities in line. I would say backup point guard should be the next target. Not sure who is out there.

For all of you blasting Cho, remember, it was Cho that brought "Big Al" in...not Higgins.

Posted by: secondelement | Jul 13, 2014 8:59:22 AM

1. Bulls ( Gasol n Rose ) ..2. Pacers 3. Atlanta ( Horford back ) 4 . Wizards ( Pierce ) 5. Cavs ( wiggins , waiters , Kyrie , Thompson , James , Anderson ) ( probably too low ) 6 Bucks ( Kidd , Parker , Sanders , knight , Greek freak , Henson ) 7. NETS .( Lopez is back . Jack , Deron , JOE J , COACH , OWNER W MONEY , BATCHE , KG ) 8 ...................................
Pistons ( Svg the coach , crazy owner , new system , Pope will contribute now , smith off bench , Monroe , Singlar , Jennings , Drummond ) 9 . HEAT . Bosh , Chalmers revived , Wade , Shabazz , McRoberts , Deng and another vet . 10. Hornets ( no money to chase Stephenson , the more Jefferson scores , the worse the others contribute , no pass first pt gd , center a sive on defense )

Having said this . I told my cousin who lives in Atlanta and is a bb junkie 3 yrs ago that one of the dumbest players in the league is Marvin Williams ESP at sf . He's like Josh Smith at sf . But now he's improved and stretches the floor . He has to be checked and can play better defense than McRoberts tho can't pass . He has a mid range shot . A front line of Jefferson , Zeller and Wlliams wll get exposed by a small ball unit bc they're all slow laterally . Williams doesn't have a post up game so you can play him w a sg that can play sf that dribble drives and eat this front line alive . This is how Dunlap used Henderson at sf the second half of the season who was almost unstoppable the second half . Matchups is everything .

I believe that Mkg has fixed his jumper . That he will no longer be self checked causing his defender to double wo looking at him . He better be bc the Cliffird will not play him now that he has a vet option . Cliffird knows that Mkg rested on offense and used all his energy on defense . But Mkg still fouled too much and it ruins Cliffirds defend wo fouling policy and puts players on the line , messing up the defensive stats . He hates it . Williams will cover at both positions based on who's not playing better than the other .

Henderson did not make the open shot in the playoffs . But Cliffird knows he sat his first yr , was a defender first and is still building his game out . He knows too no one has come in here an torched him . The game someone brought up Harden was a game Haden had 8 pts going into the 4 th . Sessions is the one who allowed him to get off . Henderson averaged 14 points and plays elite defense and Clifford gives him all the deference bc he's two way and plays elite defense . His arc shooting had to be over 40% after the break when Neal came to end up at 35% and this is w more attempts a game at 3 instead of a half a game . Plus Clifford knows that Steohesons strength is not scoring more but rebounding and passing . This not worth the bother bc he won't steal rebounds from Mkg and Jefferson and Kemba is ball dominant . Plus , all teams will pass n do more man movement mimicking the Spurs and defusing some pain from losing McRoberts . It's Mkg that Cliffford unfortunately is trying to replace , not Henderson . They could have offered Stephenson something before bc they had reason to know Hayward was not much more than a pipe dream . W Stephenson at 11 to 13 m and Henderson at 6 and Neal and Taylor , someone is going . Probably Henderson . But even Cho knows bc of the off ct issues , lockeroom issues , questions about is he really an upgrade in scoring and the plus net of Neal / Henderson at sg , Stephenson ain't worth the trouble . Why he would come to a team that could be seriously not even an 8 th seed next yr is enough to give him pause . When he closely looks at Jeffersons USEAGE , what option he would be after Kemba , splitting time w Henderson or Neal and not being able to play w the second unit where he gets a ton of his stats , he will get great pause .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 9:31:13 AM

" Deep unit right there " Unit..Team..Squad..whatever. It means that in order to win in the playoffs and the regular season, having a stacked roster can and will help. Are the Hornets ever going to have a " Big 3 " or one of the best starting lineups in the league ? Probably not. But if you have a roster filled out that can go 12 deep, that means that you will have players who aren't wore out by the end of season. It also means that your backup 5 will be better than the opposing teams backup 5, which in turn means we have a better shot of coming out with a W, even if the opposing teams starting 5 is better than our starting 5.

Posted by: bb1130 | Jul 13, 2014 10:15:08 AM

Jefferson is overweight Has foot problems and is older than the average 29 yr old bc he played from hs . The decline for guys coming straight from hs is faster and closer to 30 than others unless you stay in prime shape lime Kobe , James or Kg . Jefferson is like . Daryl Dawkins who played until he was 32 or thereabouts . If you make him play defense , he won't last the full season . It's best to rest him like Pop does and let a lesser center but two way guy do the heavy lifting . That's why I liked Charlotean suggestion of Robin Lopez . But Cho doesn't understand the finer points of bb to even see it . He looks at points and rebounds and decides bc he can't infuse the 100 other variables bc he never played . All these anayllitics guys will be fired in the next few yrs . His worst move was trying to fit Kemba a sg , in at pt gd . It's ridiculous , for over 25 reasons as to offense , defense and transition . I'm warming tho to Williams bc he's not horrific at pf on defense . And he is a better offensive player than what we saw from Mkg on offense at sf , thus the two way player at sf that's desperately needed .

What if Kemba comes back heavier and stops playing the passing lanes , gets assists at the rim , runs the pick n roll and gets teammates out n transition ? And Jefferson moves the ball on offense ? And tries to at least put his hands up on help defense ? Ans.. The Hornets move up to 7 th seed .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 11:15:53 AM

Kemba is going ball out this year. We are finally putting a team around him, first by adding a 20pt 10rb guy in Big Al that Charlotte has never had in 10 years. Building a championship team does not happen over night! Williams has taken forever but he is a decent rotational player who could step up under Clifford. We can bring back CDR and Sessions for not that much and still be positioned to make the playoffs next year. Go Hornets!!

Posted by: Big J | Jul 13, 2014 12:45:52 PM

Any ideas yet on the "superstar" referenced by His Mnimumness?!?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 1:48:13 PM

"Building a championship team does not happen over night!"

We are 8 years in with Air Minimum at the helm....so you got that one right!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 1:50:36 PM

ironman you are lost.

the bucks are not anywhere near the 6th best team in the east. they might surprise some people this year, but they are not better than the heat and they are not better than we are. antetokounmpo/parker is not leading them to a playoff birth this year. next year, maybe, but i they need to make other moves.

nowhere near 6th best this year. they might be 15th again. the only teams they COULD be better than are orlando, philly, new york if carmello takes the year off, and maaaybe boston but i doubt it. boston with rondo/bradley healthy is different than them without.

toronto doesn't scare me at all, but they will be better than several of the teams on the list. probably a 5th or 6th seed themselves. they are the new nuggets.

pau doesn't make chicago the front runner. he makes them better over boozer, but it's not like lebron going to cleveland. they are still a rose injury away from being a mid level team. and they don't have a nate robinson or d.j. augustin on the roster right now. they are relying on dunleavy and mcbuckets (too old and a rookie) to give them wing scoring next to butler. they are definitely a playoff team, but #1? no. not without another move.

as i've been saying since the onset......no better scenario here than stephenson + love.........and they're both still on the table.

if we want to be patient.......we should be looking to move jefferson for great value NOW before we lose him or overpay him next summer. if we want to be impatient......this is pitiful. if we want to not make our minds up and be somewhere in the middle forever......we're nailing it!

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 13, 2014 2:31:31 PM

Hayward . It was superstar money . Mj is a genius on the ct . He truly was . But as w most superstars , it's all instinctive . He's shown he has no clue how to fit players or evaluate them . The problem is neither does Cho . When he talks , you can see he provides stock replies given him from others . He has zero experiences to draw from nor was he the average player who excelled like Phil Jackson after figuring it out . Riley , Pop , Ainge , Doc , coach K , Bobby Knight , Phil or Thibbs would never have picked Kemba to run point and be the pt gd of the future . Not one of them . And each of them would have cut their losses and never let Carter Williams , Lilliard , Lowry or Bledsoe get by even if Kemba were here . Never . I told you a yr before Kemba got in the playoffs what would happen . He would get trapped , cough the ball up , not ignight his teammates and the team would not get out the first round .he will always be able to set himself up . He's lucky Chalmers had a horrific playoffs so he wasn't exposed on defense . But bc of his poor vision , short arms , poor decision making and height , nothing will change despite his ability to score . If Carter Williams were here , Mkg would average 13 .Think of a bum like Evan Turner . Henderson would average 17 . He would make that much of a difference . Cho doesn't know enough . He would have to be surprised as he was w McRoberts . I don't want to hear nobody knew or other Passed on guys like Loenard or Parsons or the MANIMAL or Lilliard . It's bs . Somebody knew and didnt . That's the kind of guy a small market team has to have at the helm .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 2:42:02 PM

"this is pitiful. if we want to not make our minds up and be somewhere in the middle forever......we're nailing it!"


"The problem is neither does Cho . When he talks , you can see he provides stock replies given him from others . He has zero experiences to draw from nor was he the average player who excelled like Phil Jackson after figuring it out . Riley , Pop , Ainge , Doc , coach K , Bobby Knight , Phil or Thibbs..."


Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 2:52:45 PM

nobody knew. you guys play the 20/20 hindsight game over and over. NOBODY was sitting here on draft night like "man they missed faried".

none of you were. I've been big on guys over the years that I felt they missed on. leonard, parsons, dejuan blair, seth curry all come to mind. but i don't roll out a list of guys that became successful to try and compare to the guys we picked.

for starters, if we had picked certain guys, we would have ruined their development all the same. if portland had taken morrison and we took roy, morrison would have been a star. roy would have won some championships. with the lakers.

the picks are far from the problem. the coaching carousel is way more to blame than the picks. the horrible cap management, the horrible patience with young guys. playing against guys' strengths.

michael carter williams stat stuffed on a horrible team and he shot worse and defended far worse than kemba. and they're almost the same age. i think kemba has a year and a few months on him. i love faried's game, but he hasn't won anything. you don't see teams lining up big trade offers for him. the knicks offered shumpert. and denver was going to do it before shumpert sprained his ankle. think about that for a minute.

cho doesn't strike me as brilliant. but neither are a lot of these guys. i mean daryl morey has the biggest balls in the league, but that hasn't won him any rings yet. he just traded asik AND lin for horrible value because he was clearing room for bosh. oops. now he has ariza. he didn't need ariza. assuming they keep parsons, they have duplicates. assuming they don't, they downgraded.

ainge hasn't pulled anything off as much as he's been trying. kupchak has won tons of rings and made brilliant moves, but his cupboard is bare. they just overpaid jordan hill for no effing reason.

cho hasn't made any horrible picks or any horrible moves yet. and that's far better than it was before with higgins. higgins' resume competes with the worst gms of all time. and his picks weren't the problem either.

MKG and Zeller could be stars. no BS. biyombo, if given the chance.....could be a monster in the paint. vonleh could be a stud. kemba is far from horrible. he's a mid level guy that was drafted 9th. he's capable of improving still. jeff taylor was a GREAT 2nd round pickup.

cho hasn't effed up besides the dunlap situation and probably poor handling of augustin/diaw/brown situations. supposedly they've made an offer to augustin to come back. whoops. could you imagine how much better we would have been last year with augustin and diaw instead of ridnour and mcroberts? yeah........i was the guy that said that back in 2011.

we have the ability to make moves we aren't moving, yes. but we also have the ability to be pragmatic and careful, because we already have guys that are going to grow up to be stars if we hang on to them.

fans just need to get smarter. there aren't 20 year olds in the history of the league that have done some of the things MKG has done. absolute stud prospect. yall act like teaching an athlete to shoot has never happened........yet gerald wallace is most of you alls favorite player. insane how dumb that is.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 13, 2014 3:07:14 PM

It is clear they want MKG to play a bigger role this year. Hayward was going to get most of his minutes at the 2 and they are not being aggressive pursuing any 3's. Get a back up point and let these young guys like Zeller, MKG and hopefully Taylor play. We will probably be similar record wise to last year but will have taken a major step forward in experience. At the trade deadline or in the off season, if any of these guys don't look like they are improving then make a move. At some pint these guys need to play and this is it!

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 13, 2014 3:18:28 PM

"cho hasn't made any horrible picks"

Surely Ye jest!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 3:29:36 PM

You are clearly oversimplifying things by saying if Roy were here he would get a bust and if Mortison were elsewhere , he would shine . Morrison has been elsewhere and he's a weak bum . There's no way the Hayward came to play sg when Henderson is here who's a way better defender and averages almost what he did and a much better arc shooter . And Clifford has played Neal , Taylor and Cdr over Mkg . It was Mkg who can't shoot , averages half what Henderson did , who has no arc shot , can't spread , is left alone and violates Clifford's defend wo fouling policy to no end . Hayward plays most of his time at sf , played sf in Utah and can't for the life of him stay in front of sgs .

Dj and Diaw would have been nice . Carter Williams is so much better than Kemba in the salient factors of running point , it's not debatable or worth getting into . Ones a brilliant pt gd , the other is not a pt gd at all . By this time in two yrs , one will be an Allstar w his team in the playoffs and the other will be relegated to 6 th man like Nate Robinson .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 13, 2014 4:06:35 PM

There is some real comedy on here. They go get Neal and draft Hairston, but they love Henderson. Now they rumored to be interested in Stephenson, but they love Henderson. Hayward played a ton of minutes at the 2, but they love Henderson. Now that is really really funny. You don't have to like Kemba, Jefferson or whoever, but don't make up things like you have any real insight. Man. Talk about the writing on the wall for Hendo. Sure MKG was subbed out. Guy was 20 years old and they were trying to make the playoffs. So they should have sacrificed the playoffs while he worked on his shot? Coach did the right thing last year and it looks like the team is doing the right thing this year.

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 13, 2014 4:23:21 PM

yeah there's nothing I hate more then how coaches come in, new system, new game plan, and IMMEDIATELY disregard certain players' abilities to play within that system in time.

henderson has had a different coach every single year. i mean it's nuts. k-brown-silas-dunlap-clifford. if clifford did anything more offensively than just drop it in the post and ask henderson to be a spot up 3 shooter, he might feel better about the guy. he's no kobe, but he has a lot more to offer than what he got out of him last year. dude needs to learn to make some lemonade before asking for oranges.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 13, 2014 9:54:15 PM

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