July 23, 2014
Charlotte Hornets sign Brian Roberts to be backup point guard
A 6-foot-1 point guard, Roberts spent his previous two NBA seasons with the New Orleans franchise that switched its name from the Hornets to the Pelicans. Wednesday he signed with the Charlotte Hornets, who recently changed names from the Bobcats.
Roberts has a similar build to Hornets starter Kemba Walker. He led the NBA in free-throw percentage last season at 94 percent. General manager Rich Cho likes Roberts’ shooting and his performance in the pick-and-roll.
Roberts went undrafted out of Dayton and spent several seasons playing overseas before earning a roster spot in New Orleans. He was a starter much of last season, after Jrue Holiday needed season-ending leg surgery.
Hornets coach Steve Clifford knows him from when Roberts played on a summer-league team Clifford coached as an Orlando Magic assistant.
The Hornets needed a backup point guard after Luke Ridnour’s contract expired at the end of the season. The Hornets are expected to re-sign Jannero Pargo as third point guard later this week.
The Hornets appear close to being done assembling their roster for training camp at UNC-Asheville in October. Clifford said the one last piece he’d like added is a third center. The Hornets have Al Jefferson and Bismack Biyombo at center. Clifford said Cody Zeller could play there some, but that Zeller is more suited to the power forward position.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 23, 2014 at 02:14 PM | Permalink
Cool! Wonder who they are looking at for 3rd string center? A Vet or a Young guy?
Posted by: Hot Sauce | Jul 23, 2014 2:31:04 PM
Emeka or Elton Brand maybe? An extra veteran presence is needed on this young team
Posted by: Murray | Jul 23, 2014 2:55:59 PM
Byron Mullins as a 3rd option on veterans minimum!
Posted by: Chris | Jul 23, 2014 2:58:32 PM
no to mullens. davis from summer league would be more valuable.
honestly.....we don't really need to sign anyone else right now. we have 4 completely capable bigs plus a young guy who doesn't have any minutes available for him. the roster spot for trade possibilities is more valuable than a guy that shouldn't play a minute this season.
after the deadline would be when it might be valuable to grab a veteran big man or a d-league call up.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 3:21:00 PM
I want to know who Douchstar wants! He has the super human ability to ask questions and answers none. Iron Girls hero. The funniest person on the internet. Douchestar! 4 comments with none from the Douche. Must have encountered some kryptonite. No worry Iron Girl. He will recover and be back soon.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 23, 2014 3:40:00 PM
Roberts has solid court awareness, a good jumper, and a nice floater, which is essential for smaller point guards. Nice signing. He could definitely start some games for us if Kemba needs a night off.
As for a 3rd center, I'd hold off signing a veteran in favor of giving our younger players more court experience. We can always pick up a big later in the season either from the development league or in a trade. Let's first see how these pieces come together.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 23, 2014 4:42:45 PM
there is a log jam @ 2 guard great time to package neal or hendo with bismack for a true big center like gorgui dieng from minn. bismack is only 6'7 maybe 6'8 with boots on. greg oden is still available too
Posted by: tre'4boi | Jul 23, 2014 4:51:17 PM
i think biz has missed about as many games as greg oden has played in the last 3 seasons.....not many.
dieng's standing reach" 9'3.5
biz's standing reach: 9'3.5
height is an inch apart and biz's arms make up for that. biz has true center size and above average athleticism. everything dieng can do at age 24, biz has done at age 21.
dieng's had a handful of big games last year. biz has had a handful of big games thus far as well.
grass is not greener, just older.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 6:00:39 PM
"Roberts has solid court awareness, a good jumper, and a nice floater, which is essential for smaller point guards. Nice signing. He could definitely start some games for us if Kemba needs a night off."
Good post Jeff. As far as I'm concerned there should be open competition to see who starts at the point and I believe Coach Cliff is going to give Roberts much more of a look than the slurper drones will be comfortable with.
Roberts is a PG through and through (not a 5'10" 2-guard masquerading) and given his natural PG instincts and 94% stroke from the line, going down the stretch in a tight game he's clearly the guy that should be on the floor alongside Looney Lance, CDR, Marvin and Big Al.
How long until the Boobs announce CDR's return?
As I think about the down the stretch lineup, can you imagine how out of control things would be in a really tight situation with Shorty and Looney Lance just running around out of control nutso?!? I won't be the least bit surprised to see them knocking each other down on a regular basis!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 6:09:51 PM
^^^exactly....I still do not understand why everyone hates on Biz. Dude is only 21 years old and still has 12 more years of ball left. When given playing time he can and will put up decent numbers. In 13 minutes a game last year he averaged 3 points, 5 boards and a block. If he would get his 20-25 minutes as the backup 5 and sometimes at the 4, he'll put up 7 points, 10 boards and probably 2.5 blocks a game. Don't give up on him.
Posted by: bb1130 | Jul 23, 2014 6:11:47 PM
"....I still do not understand why everyone hates on Biz."
The facts that he can't catch, dribble, or shoot...are where most folks start.
"In 13 minutes a game last year he averaged 3 points, 5 boards and a block."
Dude, he was playing against the 3rd string from the other team.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 6:21:56 PM
^^^there he is. Douchestar living up to his name! Sure Lance, the Pacers best player in the Eastern Conference Finals running around with his head cut off. Douchestar. Able to ignore common sense in a single bound! He truly has super powers and not only ones that attract Iron Girl. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 23, 2014 6:34:53 PM
With the Biz debate, it would be much better if they put him on the court for some meaningful minutes and let him sink or swim.
The board here seems to be 50/50 give or take a little; I'm definitely in the pro-Biz camp, but understand why others aren't.
Point is- regardless of which camp is correct, BB saw next to nothing last year-- I would say it's at least wise to throw the dude out there and give him some time before trading away a # 7 pick that we knew would need development when we drafted him.
But we're pretty stacked (although young) in the front court and I can easily see the team parting ways.
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 23, 2014 7:30:15 PM
dude you are obsessed with CDR. who's slurping who?
and 3rd teams don't play. try again.
biz can't catch......yet he's an elite rebounder. can't rebound without catching, right? maybe guys can't pass (kemba?).....a few guys have been able to get the ball to him without problems. ben gordon would never be mistaken for steve nash, but he never had a hard time finding biz.
you can't throw a horrible pass in traffic to the guy after going 50 straight possessions without giving him a touch and expect it to go well.
he's better than you guys are advertising.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 7:55:26 PM
Kind of tough to get Biyombo minutes with an all NBA player in front of him. He could be a solid player but he is not taking minutes from Big Al. Doesn't really matter what the board thinks. Adding Stephenson to the lineup makes this team dangerous in the East. Lance has shown that he could be developing into an elite player. Bird called him the most talented on the team. If his growth continues this would be the steal of the century. Lance and MKG and Kemba up top will cause all kinds of problems for teams especially with a double team magnet like Al. Good luck defending these guys this year. This season can't start soon enough.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 23, 2014 7:56:56 PM
I really like this team that the organization will put on the floor this season. This team is very talented, deep, and young with the right mix of veterans. Roberts is the right compliment to Kemba and there won't be a huge drop-off when Kemba leaves the floor. About Biz, as I recall Ben Wallace could not dribble, shoot(including free throws)or pass and it took him a long time, but he eventually developed into an allstar that helped Detroit win a championship because of his defense, rebounding, and ability to block shots. I'm not saying Biz will become an allstar, but many teams wanted him on draft night because of his potential. Most big men take time to develop.
Posted by: will | Jul 23, 2014 8:03:44 PM
Whoa. Did you say something positive? Douchestar should be swooping in any moment to turn your positive comment to a negative. Unless he is tangled up in some Iron Girl. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Now his infatuation with slurping makes sense. It's all adding up. Another one one of Douchestar's super powers!
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 23, 2014 8:37:52 PM
"I would say it's at least wise to throw the dude out there and give him some time."
Rational thought...but Coach Cliff is compensated on wins/losses. He gave Bizfumble way more minutes in 1H and saw enough to make a decision. Biz only got 8-9 minutes/game in 2nd half of season.
clttn, I've mentioned CDR maybe 3 times in a month, get a clue. $-for-$ he was our best player last year -- Minny & Yes Co. would have to be morons not to bring him back...
...oh yeah, they are morons.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 8:38:58 PM
^^^there we go. Faster than a speeding keyboard. More obsessed than a teenager. It's Douchstar! Unveiling another super power. Passive aggressive behavior. Where is his sidekick Iron Girl? Hate to speculate on that. Ewww.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 23, 2014 9:39:24 PM
And don't forget Douchestar is not afraid to post exactly what he thinks. That may be the funniest thing he has ever written. Maybe Iron Girl is right. Lmao.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 23, 2014 9:44:41 PM
"...but many teams wanted him on draft night because of his potential."
How do we know this? 8 definitely didn't want him. Who else couldn't live without him? Whoever it was maybe Minny & Yes Co. oughta give em a shout...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 10:09:20 PM
Biz is to defense what Al is to offense. If you noticed in games 3 and 4 against Miami, Biz was out there making his presence felt. We need a change of pace 5 to backup Al. And this year I think that Al will only need 30 - 33 minutes a game. Biz will get his minutes and will prove everyone wrong. He's a legit backup 5 and in a few years could very well be a starting 5.
Posted by: bb1130 | Jul 23, 2014 10:36:02 PM
"Biz will get his minutes and will prove everyone wrong. He's a legit backup 5 and in a few years could very well be a starting 5."
He's a nice kid and for his sake I hope you're right and I'm wrong...
...but obviously I ain't optimistic.
This is a big year for Biz, after the season Boobs will have to make a stop/go decision on a qualifying offer....
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 24, 2014 12:33:29 AM
Douchestar. "8 teams didn't want him." Incredible keyboard speed and teenage like obsessions are obvious strengths, but knowing how the draft works apparently is not one of his super powers. It's Douchstar. "I am not afraid to post exactly what I think." What color is his cape?
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 24, 2014 7:30:43 AM
From the Sorenson column:
Is he a guy you want in your locker room?
“Everybody in the world sees him in the playoffs,” says Walker. “Everybody talks about his antics and stuff like that. He’s a really good guy off the court, gets along with everybody, jokes with everybody. I think guys will definitely love him. He’s a great guy.”
Was that an answer? As for...."gets along with everybody"....clearly that's a false statement.
Boobcat players already having to clean up Lance's mess...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 24, 2014 8:48:58 AM
8 definitely didn't want him? let's see the evidence that joe dumars said that. he was drafted 7th so genius math would say 6 teams. one of those 6 was jan vesely. how is enes kanter doing? it's not like valancunius is light years ahead of biz. he just got playing time. what big man did they miss on at that pick? i mean seriously? vucuvic and faried are the only guys drafted after that play any kind of significance and neither is some huge ridiculous star. faried is a good 2.5 inches in height and 3.5 in reach smaller than biz. you can see why he fell to 22nd. vucuvic is a couple years older, too. and he's had the benefit of playing a ton also. and with better pg play. I would argue the kemba pick way more than the biz pick. we had augustin, we didn't have bigs. bigs weren't in abundance. leonard was on the board.
biz is a prototypical defensive center. he can easily score 14-16 a game off of drive and dish, sideline PnR, offensive glass, transition, and the occasional post up. he's not al. al is not him. al should also not play 38 mpg as he isn't built for that. and the 2 should play together more than they have when matchups allow (like detroit) to hide al's lack of defense.
if they're smart, they would go ahead and make an offer to extend biz for like 3 years 9 million (great price for a backup big man in his youth with his experience). if he balks at that, you wait until next summer. he won't have much of a market because we have depressed his value. smart gms will be looking to get him for the minimum or cheap. his QO is 5.5mm, even I don't think he should get that at this point unless al opts out. not because biz doesn't deserve it or isn't worth it, but because he can be had for cheaper. if cho extends him for cheap, let's al walk - it's going to look genius. he won't do that though. he'll probably overpay al and appeal to the league to allow a 7 year contract to make sure he can't walk by the end of the contract. here's to hoping that he's smarter than that and makes a move for a better star player.
you've mentioned CDR more than 3 times in the past week. we have 1 roster spot left, we have 6 wings on the roster (all as good or better than CDR and much younger) and you keep talking about wanting to add a 7th. slurp slurp slurp away dude.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 8:51:15 AM
Clifford , the staff , fans and Mj will be surprised that the bench as it stands may be able to match or handle the starters or opposing teams starters . Roberts , Henderson , Taylor , pf Zeller , c Vonleh . This could happen if Taylor has improved his outside shooting and Zeller hits the elbow shot , dribble drives and hits cutters . Vonleh is already a way better defender at either position than Jefferson . Once he adds some strength and a go to move , he will shine . The defense of the subs is very high outside of Zeller , at each position .
Hornet mess . What a stupid idiot you are . What makes you the best idiot is that you know absolutely zero about bb . Not once have you posted anything of substance . Not once . Your constant rant about Nastars liking me speaks volumes about you . ESP to the level you do it . A sane or straight guy would at some point find it disgusting . And I told you how we could settle this . But you allowed all the world to see what an amazing coward you are . The constant rants will do nothing to change a thing . I'm going to post my beliefs into perpetuity . Try posting w substance . The jokes are really bad . Really really bad .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 24, 2014 8:57:10 AM
"he was drafted 7th"
OMG you're right, even worse than I remembered....uuugh. Cannot believe we wasted a 7 on a guy who can't catch/dribble/shoot.
"you've mentioned CDR more than 3 times in the past week."
"all as good or better than CDR "
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 24, 2014 9:09:42 AM
joe dumars took brandon knight 8th. he wanted biyombo (to be the new ben wallace) - thus we traded up to get him at 7th. find the quote saying otherwise.
so CDR is better than MKG? what happened to that merit based system? better than henderson? better than taylor? we didn't sign him until MKG AND Taylor both got hurt. better than neal? why draft hairston instead of just selling the pick to miami if he's better than hairston.
i'm saying all of this and I like CDR. I was very pleased we signed him as opposed to the alternatives when we needed a wing to fill in. but better than the guys we have? not hardly dude. stop slurping.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 9:22:45 AM
It's Douchestar. He thinks the Cavs taking Kyrie Irving over Biyombo in the draft is a negative reflection on Bismack. He has the power to completely dismiss logic and objectivity. There goes Douchestar. Why did one team pass on Jabari Parker if he was so great? There goes Douchestar. Blog super hero. lmao.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 24, 2014 9:31:07 AM
Hate to get off topic even thought that seems to be the trend around here.... but I'm really interested to see what's gonna happen with this logjam we have at the 2 guard position and if we are indeed looking for another big. Anxious to see how it plays out.
Posted by: TheRealJD | Jul 24, 2014 10:31:17 AM
It's no more a log jam than most teams have. we have 6 wings - stephenson/henderson/mkg/taylor/neal/hairston
3 points, 6 wings, 5 bigs (counting williams as a 4). we essentially have 3 at every position except center. and a roster spot to do that if we chose to.
hairston won't play barring injury. neal and taylor are cheap bench players/specialists. henderson figures to be the 6th man. and none are on long contracts. not even stephenson or mkg. they don't have to make a trade, but obviously they COULD use that depth to their advantage. i would like to see them hold out and try and land some picks for selling one or two of those guys to a team that suffers some injuries to their wings.
or make the godfather offer for kevin love.
the spurs have 7 wings under contract.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 11:08:34 AM
Thanks Iron Girl. You should keep posting your anonymous beliefs. That is incredibly impressive. What unbelievable conviction and courage you have. LOL. I would never want you to stop or your undying affection for Douchestar to end. It is too good. For the record. Since your friend has no idea how the NBA draft works you might want to spend more time questioning him. How many teams "passed" on Biyombo. Guess the Cavs taking Kyrie Irving means they didn't like Biyombo. I mean seriously can anyone really be that dumb. But that might affect the special relationship you have with him. Not that there is anything wrong with that. You do seem to really enjoy each others company.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 24, 2014 1:16:57 PM
Any residual negativity comes from drinking years of Bobcat urine, but you got to get that taste out of your moth because this honey mead the Hornets are brewing is going to be delicious.
Let go of the past. The cup is now half full.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 2:14:39 PM
Of course when I say let go of the past, I mean the negative parts of the past. There's lots of optimism both from the way the Bobcats ended their tenure and from the galvanizing Hornets history.
As an optimist, I see it all coming together for a magical run in '15.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 3:14:09 PM
let's try not to relate the progress of basketball operations to a meaningless name/uniform change.
nobody over 15 should care much about that and anybody under 20 probably doesn't remember the hornets much. a bunch of "grown ups" begged for a name to be changed. embarrassing.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 3:22:50 PM
There's only two complete wings out of the group . That being Lance and Henderson . Thank goodness both can play sf and Lance can defend all the sfs bc of his size . Henderson can as well except Melo , James , Durant and Leonard . The rest are specialists . Clifford is sweet talking all of them bc he knows how deep you must be to compete . Pop is a genius . But more than anything , he's deep w as many players off the bench that can start . Ginobli . DIAW . Mills . Green . Bonner . Clifford could only hope to have bench guys who could start . That's why leads got blown last yr . One of the biggest problems was the inability to hold leads . As it is , there's only one solid two way starter off the bench . .. Henderson . The rest are not on par w the starters yet . They will have to be the
East teams will pass them . The bench is very good mind you . They should be able to hold leads which is the key . But to get deep in the East at the top , you must have at least 3 if not 4 that can play as well or better . Henderson does or will . Vonleh , Roberts and someone else like Taylor or Neal has to . I hope Vonleh plays center so we can finally see a two way player at that position . Okafer has been the only one .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 24, 2014 3:24:09 PM
Fact is the name change has already made a huge difference.
Maybe it shouldn't have and maybe in a purist league teams would be numbered 1 through 30 with no names or corresponding uniforms. Teams could just play shirts and skins and we could root purely for basketball plays. Maybe the teams wouldn't even belong to any city. They'd rotate around so our focus would be entirely on the game itself without any kind of external loyalties. Commercials would feature coaches talking about the objective values of any product being sponsored.
But personally I prefer things the way they are, and by the looks of it, most fans are responding positively to the name change, which is creating more support, enthusiasm, and ultimately a better home court advantage for the Hornets.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 4:16:42 PM
You guys love this team and defend it . You should be tired of hearing me rip the team . But no one has stepped up to take the bet ? I'm an idiot . Know nothing about bb . Make me go away . As it stands , let y'all tell it , the Hornets should be a shoe in . They're deep . Have the deepest bench in the East . Bulls have Rose who hasn't played in 3 yrs . He's on .roids and it killed his ligaments . He only plays in first gear and will tear something again . The Cavs will have no time to gel . Wizards lost Ariza which was stupid . Nets are to old . NYC has no one but Melo . Hawks haven't played serious ball in 2 yrs . Raptors are silly and not deep . Pacers lost their best player and nose dived when pressed . Pistons must unload Smith and Jennings who can't facilitate any better than Kemba .
Bulls . Cavs . Wizards . Hawks . Pacers . Raptors . Pistons . 8 . Hornets ? Heat ? Nets ? Knicks ? Someone take the bet . Pundits saying Hirnets as high as 4 . What do I know ? I say the hornets will not get out the first round w Kemba at point and Jefferson at center . Loser out for a yr . Loser out for a month betting that Hornets don't make the playoffs . If they convince Henderson to stay , this shores up the bench enough that they lose no leads which was huge . Neal , Roberts , Henderson , Zeller , ( Vonleh or Biz ) can play w any bench . This scares me some . Lance will try to make the Allstar team and be playing for a new contract so he will run point some . This will hugely improve the facilitating , running and defense at point gd . This will be huge as it's fills two of the biggest holes on the Hornets . .. Lance . Henderson . Williams . Vonleh . Jefferson . ... ( Kemba , Neal , Mkg )
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 24, 2014 4:18:58 PM
jeff that is completely yet to be seen (home court advantage). and it isn't the only variable. for the first time they in position to go to the playoffs back to back seasons. this is a bandwagon town.....they start winning and people show up. never was it more true than 2 years ago when they started 7-5 and a home game against memphis was a sellout and then some. the next night was back to normalcy after they lost one or two.
the name change had nothing to do with the last 4 drafts, nothing to do with rod higgins being let go (finally), cho being hired, stephenson and jefferson being signed, etc.
nobody said having names/logos/uniforms was a problem. what is true is that grownups shouldn't care what the uniforms and mascots are as long as they don't take away from the sport. if you're into mascots, go check out disney. that stuff is for the kids. and the kids had nooooooooothing to do with the name change.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 4:33:58 PM
Hey, if one player (James) returning home is a big deal, then what about an entire team's homecoming?
Lots of those moves you're talking about can be seen as preparing the table for this homecoming. Kind of like the return of the prodigal son. With the hope of a rebirth comes investment.
With investment comes success.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 4:38:23 PM
wow you guys are delusional. whole team homecoming? it's a completely different franchise. it's the exact same franchise that's been here since 2004.
it's like putting an porsche body on a honda civic engine. doesn't make it a porsche.
none of those moves were made because they're changing the name. they were made to improve the team and win games and thus sell tickets. they changed the name because they are desperate to sell tickets and improve tv ratings.
it is insane that some of you fall for that type of marketing ploy. adults with the intellect of children.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 4:48:27 PM
Listen, I don't know about you, but some of us adults were children once. And while I don't mean to burst any bubbles (SPOILER ALERT), Santa Claus may not have been real when we were children, but some of us thought he was, and so we developed positive associations for the gift giver in red and seeing our children root for him today reminds us of those positive moments from yesteryear.
Same holds true when rooting for purple and blue.
And there is a chance, just a chance, that some purple and blue mythology will raise this team up and deliver the golden gift of a title just like faith in a larger cause allowed the 1980 US Hockey team or the 2004 Pistons to win it all. When the NBA doesn't rewards the greatest superstar, it rewards the greatest team (2014 Spurs included), and every great teams needs a mythos.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 5:03:51 PM
"so CDR is better than MKG?"
Way better. That's why he got more minutes and all the key minutes.
"Fact is the name change has already made a huge difference."
Nonsense. Well, the slurpers drones are in a tizzy over it but otherwise....
"it's like putting an porsche body on a honda civic engine. doesn't make it a porsche."
Exactly. Close enough anyway.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 24, 2014 5:40:18 PM
FACTS DUDE PLEASE USE FACTS - some of these idiots will read what you say and believe it to be true.
CDR - 70 minutes in the playoffs, 20.7 during the regular season.
MKG - 91 minutes in the playoffs, 24.2 during the regular season. the only time CDR started was when MKG was hurt.
jeff........i don't know what to say. you're making the argument for me by referencing santa claus. if the kids TODAY grew up with krampus instead of santa claus.....and clowns like you staged a rally to go back to santa claus........what effing difference does that make? just pisses off the kids that grew up happy with krampus.
there are 15 year olds that don't know hornets and spent their childhood cheering for the bobcats. it was the name for 10 years.
connecting winning in ANY WAY with a team name is just idiotic and immature (no surprises there).
and you couldn't even get the color scheme right......it was purple and teal.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 24, 2014 6:03:57 PM
And now you made my argument for me. Tons of kids grew up Charlotte Hornets fans. Very few grew up Bobcats fans.
For example, per Forbes, "the Bobcats scored the lowest average TV rating (0.55) and average audience size (6,000) in the NBA during the 2012-13 season on Fox's SportSouth."
How many of those whopping 6,000 viewers were kids compared to the number of kids who grew up with the Hornets? For comparison, in 1989-1990 979,941 people attended Hornets games in Charlotte, 2nd highest attendance in the league, despite compiling a 19-63 record. Now that's fan loyalty. Which is why changing the name recaptured more fans than it lost.
Never underestimate the swarming power of a hornet's nest.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 6:29:36 PM
Sounds like you been schooled. Teal is a shade of blue.
I went with the rhyme like a bounce pass over pine.
Through your legs it went, and now your argument is spent.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2014 6:52:12 PM
I don't know how long it lasts, but there is no doubt the crowd at that first Hornets home game will be crazy. That will obviously help the team and create an advantage. Question is how long it stays that way. There is definitely an impact. Whether you you think people should care is irrelevant because they obviously do.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 24, 2014 8:40:30 PM
Cdr will never be more than a career journeyman playing the 8 th man on a good team . He filled in well if you appreciate his ceiling which is much lower than Mkgs . Cdr can run the floor and finish league average wise or a little better . He can spot up shoot better than most guys on this team but is inconsistent and will always be bc he's reached his ceiling . He's not a sg even tho he can play the postion like Jax did . He's a sf who inconsistently or not to a good starters degree make the open shot . But when you ask him to do anything else off the ball , other than shoot , he's not good at it . Some of this is due to his level oaf skillset and some is due to just being overall weak . In Clifford's defensive scheme , he actually is not bad covering w length on the perimeter . But his on ball defense of sgs and sfs is less than desireable and will ultimately hurt you badly . He can't create his own shot devoid of making wild plays . His finish at the rim if he gets inside is weak . He has no post up game and is only an adequate passer of the ball . No one will ever compliment him w having a very good bb iq . If you take a close look at his game , it flourishes bc of defenses ignoring him . If they key on him the next game , he has no skillset to compete and repeat what he did the game before . A contested arc shot causes his performance to considerably drop . And he has not the skillset to avoid being contested by dribbling and side stepping , up fake and pop or dribbling into a mid range shot . On many occasions , he's just not on like many of the arc shooters . When that happens , he's not contributing . This has been like his 5 th stop and all the preceding places can't be wrong . The fact that Mkg is even in a discussion of who's better , does not bode well for Mkg , a starter that should impact the game on both sides of the ball . One that should not have to be taken out at the end of each game for journeymen in Neal and Cdr . And a second round pick of Taylor . Of course , some problems here have been the poor USEAGE of many of the players and weak development policies . They seem to have no use for the d league which is exactly where Mkg , biz , Taylor , Vonleh and probably Hairston belong to avoid rotting on the bench and not getting huge precious minutes to widen their developing games when they critically need it .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 24, 2014 10:06:22 PM
If you put Mkg in the West , on a team w a back ct like Dragic and Bledsoe , he will average 13 , 5 Rebs and 3 asst. and play stellar defense .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 24, 2014 10:15:01 PM
The Hornets have hired 2 former D league coaches so it would appear development is important it them. And by the way, only 2 NBA contract players are allowed on each D league team, but let's not let facts get in the way. Also, kind of hard to send MKG and Taylor to the D league when they have been playing meaningful minutes since they arrived.
Posted by: Drew | Jul 25, 2014 7:03:35 AM
Mkg should have been in the d league the first yr he was here . He needed to work on a number of things that he could not develop in games playing sf w the Cats . The Cats were tanking that yr . Same w Taylor . Or Biz . Mkg needed to learn how to run the pick n roll as the screener and ball handler . To play off the ball much more and much better . He needed to develop a mid range shot . To finish better . To attempt arc shots no matter what . To jump hook as his go to shot . To flash in the post and timely get the ball and take a shot no matter what . To use his left hand in traffic . To attempt 16 shots a game no matter what . To run a 100 laps if he disappears and does not demand the ball even if the pt gd is not getting it to him or the team has a ball hog who doesn't pass . To defend wo crowding players when sliding laterally . To lift weights and bulk up during the season even if it has a temporary impact on his shot . To shoot no matter what w no hitch that turns his r wrist counterclockwise to 11 o'clock at release . To have the attitude of Paul Piecre who yelled " that's what they brought me here for " when he busted up the opposing team in the first round .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 25, 2014 10:37:15 AM
MKG's best offense game would resemble the effective version of Antoine Walker, i.e., minus the over reliance on three point shooting. Antoine Walker, at his best, played a creative, motion oriented version of post-up basketball that would work very well with MKG's size, athleticism, and skills. Basically Walker used his size when being defended by small forwards and quickness when being defended by power forwards to make quick, creative moves in the post that depended on his ability to initiate these moves a) on the move from outside the post area b) with little wind-up so he could quick release before taller help defense arrived, and c) finish the play efficiently thanks to a soft touch in the paint.
MKG, despite his shooting deficiencies, is very good at scoring on the move and near the basket. Like Walker, he has a good handle, lots of quickness for his size, and the ability to score in motion. Allow him to take big guys off the dribble, find his way to the paint, then score with baby post moves akin to Walker. On smaller covers let him sneak into the low post, catch a quick pass with his back to the basket, then flip a one handed baby hook into the basket. Not only do these plays create easy offense for him, but they keep the whole offense in motion and unpredictable, creating easy scoring opportunities if MKG decides to hand off or dump the ball to a cutting teammate.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 25, 2014 11:19:15 AM
I don't recall Walker doing all the motion stuff you speak of . He was a very good spot up shooter . Bc he played for the Heat and the Celtics , you memory may be better served than mine . I would think more like a sf in the style of Loenard for the Spurs . I think Walker was too good of a shooter for Mkg ever to reach that level ESP w his bad start and horrific shooting mechanics . Note that his stance and foot placement upon release was equally as bad as his release . Walker was much taller . I stood next to him once and he's every bit of 6 ft 9 or 10 . Mkg seemed no more than 6 ft 6 in shoes when I saw him . I guess gym shoes give you an inch or more so he's listed at 6 ft 7 .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 25, 2014 11:39:02 AM
There's a nice Antoine Walker highlight reel on youtube from a 2001 Wizards games where Walker goes 31/10/9. The key is how quickly he goes into his moves, an essential if you're not as tall and long as Jefferson. Watch how quickly he drives, drives and posts, shoots, or passes. I think MKG could do similar things.
Sure MKG is not going to be as good from long range, but most teams gave Antoine that shot because it was the weakest part of his game (a 32 % career shooter from 3). He was listed 6'8, but I'd be surprised if his standing reach was greater than MKG's (then adjust for vertical). Plus watch how Walker works the post, scoring not by virtue of his length but via his quickness and creativity. Barkley was an even shorter guy who similarly succeeded in the post by initiating offense quickly and on the move. It's a lost art, but I've seen MKG do it in spurts, and it doesn't slow down the team offense as you'll see in the video.
I think it's the most promising part of MKG's offensive game in the half court and a reasonable upside for him.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 25, 2014 12:31:44 PM
CDR = 27 min/gm
MKG = 21 min/gm
CRD = 24.3 min/gm
MKG = 22.8 min/gm
CRD = 12.3 min/gm
MKG = 24.8 min/gm
Down the stretch with the playoffs on the line that's what happened....
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 25, 2014 2:08:37 PM
...would love to see a stat for 4th quarter minutes in those same games!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 25, 2014 2:09:46 PM
slurp slurp slurp away dude. 32% of CDR's minutes were at the 2 last year according to basketball reference. 0% of MKG's were.
and the 20 year old #2 pick played more and outplayed the 27 year old 2nd round pick.
I like CDR as a ball player. thrilled they went with him when we had injuries. he was a solid guy off the bench last year. better than MKG? you are delusional.
almost as bad as this jeff guy.
more kids grew up hornets fans? are you referring to the adults that begged for the name change because they never grew up? those kids? those 35 year old kids? i'm talking about ACTUAL KIDS OF TODAY the ones that are 15 and under who spent the last 10 years with bobcats posters on their walls.
you are a grown up who knows nothing about basketball and surely was involved in the campaign to change a name and a mascot. and you still probably don't own season tickets because you surely can't afford them because 35 year old kids don't have good enough careers.
only in charlotte will the campaign be about a name change instead of something that would actually impact the teams chances at winning.
i'm liking what i'm reading from this drew guy. apparently there are 2 of us that like facts now. the trend is growing. all the cool kids are doing it.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2014 2:53:36 PM
Based on the numbers, and if you don't understand numbers you're in the wrong town, there are a half dozen disappointed kids out there, wishing the team's name wasn't changed back.
They'll get over it once they experience a Hornets home crowd.
Personally I prefer a home court advantage based on a packed, intense audience rather than on a swiss cheese crowd that puts both teams to sleep.
Enough with the catnaps. Time for the resurrected Hornets to swarm to the buzzing sound of 19,077 fans.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 25, 2014 3:12:39 PM
"Personally I prefer a home court advantage based on a packed, intense audience rather than on a swiss cheese crowd that puts both teams to sleep.
Enough with the catnaps. Time for the resurrected Hornets to swarm to the buzzing sound of 19,077 fans."
We all prefer as much....but absent new ownership that ain't happening.
When the Hornets cranked up and built the fan base there was no other game in town and all the rich folks and corporations turned out in droves. Now the rich folks and corporations are committed to the Panthers and the Boobs are trying to play a losing hand against an opponent that flopped the nuts...did you see how much money those morons lost last year?!?
"and the 20 year old #2 pick played more and outplayed the 27 year old 2nd round pick."
False. Invariably the #2 was glued to the bench when the game was on the line.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 25, 2014 3:36:19 PM
based on what numbers? the ones you imagine in your head?
do you even know what the attendance numbers were from 1998-2002? attendance dropped off the second the panthers debuted in town in '96. dipped even worse as shinn had legal problems and then couldn't get a new arena built.
21st in the league in 2001 with a whopping 15k. 29th in 2002 with less than 12k. where was that purple and teal (not blue - nobody has ever confused the two things; i.e. nobody has ever referred to it as "carolina teal" or "sky teal" or "navy teal") ?
where was the campaign to keep the team here? if it mattered so much why were so many people so apathetic about it back then? i remember. i was actually there. i didn't miss a game in those years. NOBODY was there. and that was the best team this city has seen. they were running buy one get one free ticket specials FOR PLAYOFF GAMES.
not even in the banner 2010-11 season were the bobcats that low.
we're talking about grown ups vs. kids. a bunch of loud grownups begged to change something they shouldn't have cared about. there's no good argument for it. you are a grown up kid crying like a little kid about little kid stuff that little kids don't even care about.
home court advantage has NOTHING to do with the name and eeeeeeeeeeverything to do with whether or not the team is winning. it also has a lot to do with the quality of fans in the home city. clearly we have dumb and delusional sports "fans" who jump on and off the bandwagon and care about the mascot more than the sport.
you clowns weren't buying lower level seats (as cheap as they were) to start your little cheerleading sections. and i'm positive you aren't buying lower level season tix now either. or upper level for that matter.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2014 3:37:10 PM
CDR had a helluva playoff series. he was a great replacement for jeff taylor in every way except defense. he didn't play MORE minutes. he did play more 4th quarter minutes. and those were 4th quarters of losses.......
0:03.0 Turnover by C. Douglas-Roberts (lost ball; steal by D. Wade) 97-100
as good as CDR played, that was the memorable moment from the series for him. the only game within reach and he nutted.
you are comparing a 27 year old journeyman to a stud 20 year old prospect. it's insane that you would think CDR is the better talent or the better guy for the franchise. as you say.....slurp slurp slurp.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2014 4:24:20 PM
^^^ I have to ask, what do you do for a living? What is your paying job?
Just curious. You have a lot of passion on these blogs and spend a lot of time on here.
Posted by: Rodriguez | Jul 25, 2014 4:25:37 PM
Sounds like we're just excited about the change, and those still complaining about that decision amount to soar losers.
We'll all see very shortly whether the change will work and fans will come out in swarms. They either will or they won't.
And if they do, all those who said the name change wouldn't make a difference, or the problem was ownership, or being a two sport town, will suddenly fall silent just like those who were against the new stadium have gotten awfully quiet since the Knights started leading their league in attendance.
Or maybe a few of the doubters will have the class, and I'm not talking about the who-can-afford-better-season-tickets kind of class, to stick around, shake our hands, and admit defeat.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 25, 2014 5:11:02 PM
it's not much time spent. checking sporadically and dropping comments doesn't take long when you type fast. a few minutes out of the 1440 is nothing compared to those that eff around on facebook and twitter all day (i'm not of that variety) or watch tons of tv/play video games. or those that spend 2 hours in the car every day commuting so they can live in some S box BS development in the middle of nowhere for 100k.
i'm a basketball junkie. i am a charlottean. thus....this is essentially the horse's mouth. no matter how antiquated.
and for the first time since 2002 we have a legitimate basketball team in charlotte.
here's to hoping we can get some smarter fans.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2014 5:22:24 PM
jeff seriously stop talking. you are going to get yourself admitted for these kind of comments.
the fans are going to come out this year because the team is good, not because of the name change. if they were the bobcats and won 50 games, they would come out for that also.
and nobody that opposed the knights stadium opposed it because people wouldn't show up. they opposed it because it was paid for from a tourism fund and they stadium isn't bringing tourists. AAA baseball never does. every small town in america has minor league baseball. and that attendance record is a massive what? 10 thousand-per? it's minor league baseball and we spent 40 million to get it. only an idiot like you would fail to understand the repercussions of poor investments of public money for a private business such as that. if it was a business that brought jobs and economic growth to charlotte that got 40 million in a hand out from the city you would probably go nuts and complain but you throw "baseball" in the mix and you aren't only ok with it, you demand it. nobody opposed baseball. people opposed minor league baseball getting 40 million to move uptown.
nobody was OPPOSING a name change. i'm not OPPOSED to a name. nobody "won" or "lost" - you even implying that just further shows how idiotic you and your group are. i'm opposed to grown ups caring about something that they aren't supposed to care about and only supporting a team because of the name and not because of the sport. it's for the kids and the kids weren't the ones complaining.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 25, 2014 6:14:41 PM
And fans came out for the Knights even though they weren't winning. Likewise, as of May 20, i.e., before James announced his return to Cleveland, the Hornets led the NBA in new season tickets sales for the 2014-2015 campaign without anyone knowing how much they'd win. Now they rank second in the NBA only to the Cavs. Sure they had a promising season, but not the most promising season in the NBA, and I don't recall fans coming out in droves following our last playoff appearance.
Winning isn't everything. Ask the Cubs. It's in the name.
You're struggling to come to terms with the fact that fans care about the name thing, but there it is. Just like they enjoy parks and stadiums set in the downtown. That probably bothers you, too. Or that they care about the way the uniforms look. Or mascots. Or how well players serve the community.
It's ain't all about points on the board or there'd only be one popular team in each sport at the end of every year.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 25, 2014 8:28:07 PM
"...the Hornets led the NBA in new season tickets sales for the 2014-2015 campaign..."
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 25, 2014 11:52:53 PM
The Hornets don't need a third center They need a back up center that Clifford will use . Clifford uses Biz sparingly If at all . If Jefferson is ready to return to the lineup after getting a rest. Biz is out . This never allows you to develop anything different wo Jefferson , thus being easier to beat and defend w his same old highly inefficient ancient gone the way of the buffalo . It will get you to the playoffs but not father . Ever . The failure to use a back up center is hugely unfair to the development of the bench and the bench players who are trying to succeed as much as the next guy . Biz is a liability on offense always and some on defense , thus Clifford distrusts him . Imagine if the Hornets had Blatche . He could actually run w the starters some . He would certainly play way better on ball , help and paint defense than Jefferson . This would make the center and pf positions instantly ready to compete , despite Zeller and Vonleh who aren't ready . At least not fully ready yet . Mj is not going to wait a second longer for development . Not here . Maybe d league .
The bench would be hugely upgraded . They would have a two way player that can pass , defend and score big time which would help keep leads . Losing leads is a top 5 problem included w Jeffersons ball hogging and no defense and Kembas overdribbling , poor assists at the rim and poor defense . ( if you run Lance at point , you solve all the Kemba issues , inc assists at the rim ) Batche is being shut out it seems . The Hornets would fare better w Batche and Lance rather than the bloated contract of Hayward's . Does this team really want to compete or just keep Jefferson happy trying to re- sign him . ( huge mistake anyway ) Does this team want to not add a center so Jeffersson can take the minutes away from A nobody on this team in Biz who isn't in a position to complain , so he can make his greedy push to finally make the Allstar team ? We don't owe him that . Had he passed and bothered to play even minimal below league defense in his last two stops , he would have done so . He like 300 pounds . Unless he stands around on defense and not try as he does , he won't ever make it thru the season . Once he gets to the playoffs , he won't be worth a nickel anyway barely making it thru 80 games w bad wheels . Isn't what he has chronic ? Get a back up center that will be able to shore up the bench and play w the starters if he goes down or not . I like Biz but Clifford does not and won't use him . Same w Mkg . Just won't use him much . Lance will play sf in crunch time w Henderson at sg . ( they will probably be a serious duo, as Lance helped To open up Georges game a lot ) .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 26, 2014 8:14:11 AM
jeff just about everything you say is factually incorrect. i'm not talking about my opinion, i'm talking about facts.
look at the the average attendance figures of winning teams vs. losing teams. teams that win have better attendance. they sell more jerseys and YES there is usually one team more popular than the others. it has been the miami heat the last several years just like the yankees and red sox are constantly more popular than the blue jays and the orioles.
nobody knew how much the hornets would win? they made the playoffs last year. and you're comparing added season tickets, not total season tickets. that's just the bandwagon joining on because they look like they will be good next year.
again.....where were all the hornets fans in 2001 and 2002? you are ignoring the facts.
the name matters to clowns like you. i'm not debating that. never did. it shouldn't. the name and mascot shouldn't matter to adults. it is done for the kids. and for marketing purposes only. you fell for it. and you shouldn't be commenting about basketball when all you know and care about is the mascot. feel free to comment about the uniform design and the new hugo outfit. court design might be too complex for your mental capacity. too basketball adjacent.
and you clearly can't read. nobody is opposed to a downtown arena or stadium. It makes sense for the panthers and the hornets to get public money for their arenas. they draw in major economic benefits in the form of tourism and large scale events (CIAA, DNC, major concerts, ACC Championships, NCAA games, international Soccer) that would not be possible otherwise. AAA baseball does not do that. they should not have gotten that much public money for a private business. they didn't create new jobs for anybody, they didn't bring in tourism, they didn't spur growth. they just provided an alternative entertainment option for our citizens and got 40 million of tax money to do so. and patrick cannon was the swing vote that flip flopped on the vote to approve the funds. wonder how much he got paid to do so?
i'm a HUGE baseball proponent. I have no objection to any sport having a stadium downtown (why would I? free country AND i like sports). It is a problem when PUBLIC money is spent on something that doesn't benefit the public in the way the money is designed to benefit the public. If they wanted to do it correctly, they could have financed it all on sponsorship, PSLs, and maybe a LITTLE help from the city. instead they got 40 million, turned around and sold the sponsorship and stadium naming rights and pocketed all of the proceeds. and there are too many simple minded people like you that can't see the difference.
educate yourself before speaking you ignorant eff.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 26, 2014 9:13:55 AM
Hey . Ot. I got a call from an ex player who follows ROF . He's connected to Charlotte and posts once every so often over there . He's the one who interested me in following and posting there and its subsequent blog At the Hive . I grew tired of the same bs over there and started blasting bloggers who constantly assailed me . It's clickish . Very protectionist and at times petty where you get reamed out in your comments that don't jibe w the prevailing opinion . That I could deal w . Most the guys are civil outside of a few who I became to loathe and for the life of me m could not deal w bc I felt they had deep rooted inherent prejudices that went far beyond what I could stomache . I believe in my heart of hearts they were closet racists if not carriers of sheets in their trunks . Just two mind you . I hated them but tried to steer clear . They wouldn't do the same as they constantly attacked my comments to no end which admittedly ,mi did not respond to as things should have gone . JD and adam . I miss the rest of the guys . A lot . It was a great social club where bonds were forged . They gave up great insight beyond what I ever could have imagined and changed my thinking which was old school rigid . Having said this , many outside opinions are met w hostilities . Not to an I tolerable degree unless it's off the wall like many of Focus claims were on current players . He held them to a greater standard of care than many busts he simply liked not on the team which exposed him to derision . I miss the commraderie but the overwhelming hatred and disdain for the two was too much for me to overcome . This was solely from the constant attacks that were unfounded but never disciplined . Worse ,they didnt know bb but swore they did . And the singling me out for typos , grammatical errors when I could rip each post of theirs was beyond ingenious in light of what I could have done in response . No one speaks the kings English perfectly . Typos coming from a phone posting .The basic stuff they were bringing up was ignored except as to me who wasted zero time in proofing . A second level laying out of grammatical construction , syntax , morphology ,would destroy each post from top to bottom . There are no linguists here . I've forgotten more than most ever knew . And it's not a blog for linguists but one where such policing should be non existent . But it's used as a guise for something else which is rooted to the core of these two and one more I won't even name . Notwithstanding , the lot was a bunch of great guys . Just wish the buttons weren't pushed that I had problems w getting past . In short I learned a lot . And as always , may The Lord have mercy on the group as a whole outside of the indignant hree .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 26, 2014 9:29:24 AM
Sorry, but it looks like you're wrong on attendance and winning. Knicks had a losing season, but the third highest attendance, which was much higher than the Nets who won more games in the same town but couldn't compete on name. Charlotte had a winning season, but were near the bottom in attendance, and despite winning more games than in 2013, had a negligible bump in attendance in 2014 when they actually ranked lower. Lakers, in a two NBA team town, had the 8th highest attendance despite a .329 winning percentage. So it's all about winning, right?
For those who can't do their own research, review ESPN's Attendance Report - 2014 and fact check for me. You'll see winning is one factor driving attendance with other keys factors including brand (name) loyalty. Why would companies fight over trademarks if this stuff didn't matter to the audience?
As for the new season ticket sales, these numbers were reported by Fox Sports and the Charlotte Business Journal to name two.
Look, I do understand how this name thing is frustrating for Bobcats fans who insisted for a decade that winning would solve everything, but the first playoff appearance proved winning wouldn't be enough. Then that poll was done, and it was clear the name change was as or more important than winning.
Seems like a win-win to me. Now every camp can be happy. We have what looks to be a winning team, with brand loyalty, playing right in the center of town in an arena that'll probably get some upgrades and eventually host an All Star Game.
Now let's all get together and support our Hornets.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 26, 2014 10:12:10 AM
you're pointing out outliers, not the general rule. the lakers and knicks sell out there games years in advance. the lakers had a bryant/gasol/nash/howard lineup when they were selling tickets. the injuries and howard skating came after they already sold out the season tix.
the knicks were a contender the year before. they have melo. the lakers have won a few championships over the years with that bryant guy. you are effing blind and ignorant to an unimaginable level.
NEW TICKET SALES are not ticket sales overall. the starting number was so low that they sold a ton of new tickets. still are nowhere near the top in total season ticket sales in the league. nowhere near it. facts dude. not only are you insanely oblivious to the facts that more people are buying season tickets because the team is finally winning and better managed, but you don't see how utterly ridiculous it is for grownups to want to buy tickets because the name changed.
there are definitely a group of lunatics that have done just that. but that's not the driving force behind attendance. the crowds will still be bigger when lebron or durant come to town. or when the knicks come.
again - where the eff were all of the so called hornet loyalists in 2001 and 2002? not at their worst as the bobcats were they that low.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 26, 2014 12:39:35 PM
"NEW TICKET SALES are not ticket sales overall."
The key numbers are "NET TICKET SALES" (equals new sales minus cancellations) AND "TOTAL SEASON TICKETS".
The Boobs resolutely refuse to disclose either number. The other super important number is the "LUXURY BOX OCCUPANCY/USAGE RATE"...another number the Boobs resolutely refuse to release.
Not enough luxury boxes was a key driver behind the drive for a new arena so it's curious that the Boobs refuse to disclose this info...
...well, not really all that curious, because the news is bad.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 26, 2014 1:32:32 PM
Have never heard the Panthers disclose ticket and suite numbers. They are advertising PSL sales so they are obviously not sold out. Not disclosing numbers is not just exclusive to the Hornets.
Posted by: Jim | Jul 26, 2014 7:09:14 PM
It's a bird it's a plane it's Douchestar! He's back after a lovers quarrel with Iron Girl. Able to take a 22 win improvement and some how turn it into a negative for the Hornets. Can minimize the signing of a marquee free agent at a bargain price with a single key stroke. It's Douchestar. Not afraid to speak his mind anonymously on a newspaper blog. Lmao.
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 26, 2014 8:05:46 PM
While we're on the subject of winning, have you seen the sweet new honeycomb flooring? That, like the old parquet in the garden, ought to be worth 2-3 extra home wins for the Hornets. And you got to love how temps rose in San Antonio against the Heat. Ironic that the Heat couldn't take the heat.
What I'm saying is to the extent winning contributed to fans buying new season tickets it was because they knew the name change would result in more mascot, logo, and sound effect intimidation along with resulting home court wins. Worked against Cornwallis.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 26, 2014 8:53:51 PM
It is interesting how everyone who posts on here thinks they are right all the time. You know that is impossible. Correct?
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 27, 2014 6:28:33 AM
Most pundits seem to like what the Hornets have done this off season. Outside of Chicago and Cleveland the conference is up for grabs. I like Washington and Brooklyn will be better is Lopez is healthy, but those final six teams are very close. Injuries, coaching and chemistry will dictate. At worst the Hornets are a 7/8 seed. At best, top 4 is a legitimate goal. This will be a very interesting and entertaining season. With their commitment to defense and an energy boost from the the Hornets, I think they will get off to a good start and that could be the difference.
"I really like what the Hornets have done over the last couple of off-seasons. I loved the Steve Clifford hiring. He is a great coach with a bright future in this game and with the Hornets. I love the signing of Lance Stephenson this offseason, as he can defend and score. Now you have a back court filled with Kemba Walker and Lance Stephenson and then you have have loaded front court, consisting of the talents of Al Jefferson, Noah Vonleh, and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. The Hornets have a bright future but I expect them to make a real push for a 5th seed in the Eastern Conference. I don’t think they are experienced enough yet to make a top-4 seed, but if they get into the playoffs with their coaching, shooting and post play of Al Jefferson it’s possible they could advance to the second round."
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 27, 2014 8:12:55 AM
"Have never heard the Panthers disclose ticket and suite numbers. They are advertising PSL sales so they are obviously not sold out."
100% irrelevant to the Boobs. The Panthers also don't trump up "new ticket sales", don't have to, aren't desperate.
The reason they don't is the Panthers are hugely profitable...you can see the specifics here: http://deadspin.com/leaked-nfl-documents-while-owner-cried-hardship-carol-5988893
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 27, 2014 10:49:39 AM
"Now you have a back court filled with Kemba Walker and Lance Stephenson and then you have have loaded front court, consisting of the talents of Al Jefferson, Noah Vonleh, and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist."
Did I miss the coronation of Vonleh as the starter? Or is that writer woefully uninformed and just mailed it in?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 27, 2014 10:52:45 AM
this just in according to jeff: flooring wins basketball games.
would love to hear poppovich's take on that one.
mike t - there is a huge difference between having an unpopular opinion and being factually incorrect. i don't blast people for opinions. see above........this dude just said the honeycomb flooring is good for 2-3 wins.
what the eff is that? between him saying that kinda ish and all the BS nastar spews....place is loaded with erroneous commentary.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 11:43:12 AM
"All I know is that I saw all the air-conditioning people in the hallways on my way out last night, and I sent them home."
I'd say a sense of humor is good for another 2-3 wins.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 27, 2014 12:01:36 PM
popcorn is probably another 4 wins.
scented candles in the lockerrooms is probably 2 more.
each additional cheerleader adds another win.
each dumb comment that jeff makes adds another 4345284752093487520934875209438725 wins. 82-0? completely possible with that floor.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 12:22:58 PM
On a serious note, I just watched the reel from the time McHale scored 56 points on a variety of put packs and post ups. What really impressed me is that he did most of this without tons of speed or athleticism. Instead he relied on long arms, the ability to shoot with one hand, a soft touch, quickness (as opposed to speed) in getting into his moves once he caught the ball, short turnarounds (most just outside the paint) and avoidance of the two most common big man mistakes (taking extra dribbles after the catch and bringing the ball down where it can be stripped).
And is it just me or does his length, touch, ability to score with one hand, and willingness to work the glass for rebounds and conversions remind anyone of Noah Vonleh? Only thing is Vonleh has even more athleticism than McHale.
I think Vonleh is going to be a force in this league at the 4. Once those McHale fundamentals are perfected, who can stop him?
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 27, 2014 12:37:39 PM
especially on that floor?! with this mascot and the swarming and the buzzing and the blue teal stuff. who is going to stop the 18 year old 3rd string 4?
dude is gonna dominate some aspect of sitting and watching.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 1:02:40 PM
You were making sense till the sitting and watching part.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 27, 2014 1:11:14 PM
i'm not surprised that you don't understand something. i'm sure that happens a lot.
how many minutes do you think coach clifford is going to give the guy over williams and zeller? there's 48 minutes in each game. they aren't paying williams 7 million a year to watch and they didn't draft zeller 4th last year to play him any less than the ~20 minutes he played last year.
he won't play this year unless someone gets hurt. or unless they manage to get him a d-league assignment on someone else's team.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 1:25:48 PM
I didn't say he'd dominate this year. I said he'd dominate once he perfects some fundamentals, which I think will occur over the course of two years, with his playing time going up each year.
As far as this year, I don't think it'll be a Darko Milicic thing under Larry Brown where Vonleh averages less than 5 minutes per contest. Truth is guys always get hurt or need nights off and there's rumors of more back-to-backs this year in the NBA to accommodate a longer All-Star break. Then there's blowouts either in wins or losses and nights where guys play poorly or get into foul trouble. Where there's a will, there's a way. If Clifford thinks Vonleh can handle some minutes, then he'll get some.
You've got to be set on a high first round pick not playing for him to get less than 5 minutes a game. I figure Vonleh gets a minimum of 10 minutes a game this year, 20 the next, and becomes a featured starter by year three. Clifford is great at developing big men and Vonleh has the tools. You've got to give him some minutes if you plan to reshuffle the roster in year three.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 27, 2014 1:49:59 PM
again....he's going to have a hard time seeing the court at all taking minutes from williams and zeller. for vonleh to play even 10 minutes a game that means williams and zeller would BOTH be playing 19 a game or less or suffering a severe injury.
like I said, unless someone gets hurt, he won't play. it isn't an indictment of him, he's going to be good. but he's 18. and there are 2 guys in front of him. simple as that. only big we have on the roster drafted lower than him is al jefferson.
and the same thing applies for next year barring a trade of williams or zeller.
i am not saying this is what I would want to happen. I'm saying what is most likely to happen based on the facts of the situation. it's called reality.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 2:00:36 PM
It ain't reality if it ain't happened yet. We'll see.
The NBA is a bit more unpredictable than that. Zeller, for example, could slide into backup center against some lineups, opening things up for Vonleh. Or Vonleh could play a couple minutes there himself. There's more of a log jam at 2 and 3 than 4 and 5 on this team.
Plus you want to preserve Al this time for the playoff run. He played 35 minutes a night last year, but depending on how competitive we are, that could drop to 30 minutes a contest similar to Duncan. Williams is not a big minute guy either, 25 minutes a night last year. That's 41 potential minutes a night without getting into injuries, back-to-back or blowouts.
Zeller is not playing 41 a night, which means the rest would go to Biz or Vonleh, and that could be a tough competition, and any night guys get into foul trouble more minutes open up.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 27, 2014 2:38:04 PM
Talents of Jefferson, Vonleh and Kidd Gilchrist. You don't have to be the starter to be talented. Maybe the writer was referring to talented players at various career stages and frontcourt positions. The Hornets are loaded that much is clear. Young players and vets. Future talent and present. There is a consensus on that among basketball writers every where. It is a very good time to be a Hornets fan.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 27, 2014 5:07:56 PM
Mike T., want to make a bet on the Boobs advancing out of the 1st round of the playoffs?
If they do I won't post for a month.
If they don't every day for a month you must post "NASTAR is the man, smartest guy I know".
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 27, 2014 5:51:34 PM
Add some weight , strength and muscle to Vonleh and he could play center in this league . Zeller may never be strong enough . Some guys just can't bulk up and get muscle . If Vonleh does , he will be the two way player we need at center . And a guy who can play inside and out . The next step has to come at center . Lance will take over the pt gd spot easily bc he does everything correctly and Kemba does everything incorrectly . Everything . Even high volume shooting from the point gd position which is as bad as not seeing over the top , hitting cutters , hitting cutters in rhythm , lobs , running the pick n roll so the roller can hit a cutter and playing defense on the pt gd . Think Drew Holliday , Dennis Johnson , Jason Kidd ( lite) , Brian Shaw . Lance at pt gd w Kemba off the bench will go a long way in competing .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 27, 2014 6:27:32 PM
reality is what the coach himself has said thus far.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 27, 2014 8:03:29 PM
Yes. I will take the bet with some anonymous person who constantly trolls the Hornets. Sounds good. Now you can keep posting until sometime in May. That will be a lot of fun I am sure.
I do think they have a very good chance of getting out of the first round. However back to back playoff appearances would be another nice step for this team either way. Something they have never done.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 27, 2014 8:49:33 PM
Mike t .. I want that bet too . I'm gone for a yr . You have to go for a month . This is w the team as it stands . If they run Kemba off point or .jefferson from center , bets off . No team w Kemba starting at pt gd will ever ever get out the first round . If he plays off the ball or comes off the bench , they have a chance . He will never average double digit assists in his life nor ever be in the top ten w assists at the rim . If any of these events happen , I will leave for a yr . I would bet he will never shoot 44 % from the field but I'm not sure .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 27, 2014 9:02:04 PM
Why am I so confident ? Bc your pt gd must do the following 1 .play above league average on ball defense .2 . Make teammates better .3. average close to double digit assists w most at the rim .4 ,get teammates transition buckets .5. Keep turnovers low . 6 .run the pick n roll . 7 spread the floor hitting a decent. % at the arc and good % from the field . Kemba did not one of these things in the playoffs and only one during the season . One . It's an easy bet . Who else wants to step up ? And they're talking about giving him another contract . Lmfao . He's a high volume low % shooting , little , no defending sg, running point . Don't tell me about improvement . Either you have or not at pt gd . ( ct vision , decision making , height do not improve over time for pt gds . You're born w it )
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 27, 2014 9:16:19 PM
OK Mike T., done deal.
Iron man, I've been of the same opinion for a long time...Boobs never advance out of the 1st round with Shorty running the point.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 27, 2014 10:18:22 PM
Now why am I confident about Lance at pt gd ? Bc he did it w the Pacers and made the bench better and George better . Equally , he does most of the things a pt gd should do to win and get out the first round . 1 . Easy buckets for teammates , thus making them better . He passes off the dribble and hits moving targets , plus when at the rim , hits teammates . 2 . He gets assists near double digits . This would be better if he ran the point for more minutes but he's the highest triple double guy in the nba . 3. Defense . This may hurt some but it sure will shore up the horrific opposing ot gd in the lane penetration Kemba can't stop . This is the number one evil in crunch time and has lost most games . 4 run the pick n roll . Kemba never could and never will bc he's too little and has poor ct vision . 5 . Decision making . Kemba has none outside shooting . Lance is a triple double guy so this tells you that's not a problem . 6 . Turnovers . Kemba has him beat bc he holds the ball on the break and overdribbles in half ct sets so it's contrived . 7 . Shooting % . From the field , Lance destroys him .
At some point by accident or else , Clifford will have Lance at point . Henderson at sg who will benefit finally from easy buckets as George did . Williams who will spread at sf and have to be guarded and be able to score ten points not 7 , Vonleh to block shots and protect the paint and finally be the roller and finisher . And Jefferson who will shift the defense by commanding a double team scoring at will inside . This unit will compete at the highest level . Kemba will come off the bench ( 6 th man of the yr averaging 17 ) and never lose a lead w Mkg , Neal , Zeller and Biz . The best bench in the league outside the spurs . I will be sent packing for a yr as will Nastars bc they will get out the first round . This may never come to fruition bc Clifford is not an offensive coach and knows little about how to get easy buckets in half ct sets and in transition which is the name of the game . Note he has Vonleh , Williams and Henderson who will shoot around 38% from the arc . But finally have the use of the pick n roll and it's variations which a team must have to compete . They oldest most widely used play in the nba . I doubt seriously Clifford will see this lineup bc he's not that smart and can not conceptualize the huge benefits nor the balls to send shorty where he belongs .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 27, 2014 10:53:47 PM
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