July 15, 2014
Hornets now considering signing Lance Stephenson
LAS VEGAS -- Having lost restricted free agent Gordon Hayward when the Utah Jazz matched an offer sheet, plus Josh McRoberts to the Miami Heat, the Charlotte Hornets are now open to the prospect of signing Indiana Pacers shooting guard Lance Stephenson, the Observer learned Tuesday evening.
Hornets management had contact with Stephenson’s representatives Tuesday, multiple NBA sources confirmed. Stephenson is one of the last name free agents in this class yet to sign, and the Hornets could use his scoring and shooting ability at the wings.
However, Stephenson had some behavioral issues last season, before reaching free-agency that have seemingly depressed his leverage in the NBA marketplace. The Pacers have offered Stephenson $8.8 million per season over five seasons, and have reportedly not come off that number. Stephenson thinks he’s worth considerably more.
Tuesday night, following the summer Board of Governors meeting, Pacers owner Herb Simon reiterated to the Indianapolis Star that his franchise believes its offer to Stephenson is more than fair.
“We made him a wonderful offer and they didn’t think it was enough, so it’s a simple situation,” Simon told the Star.
The Hornets have plenty of cap room to make Stephenson an offer. Their first choice was Hayward, who they were willing to pay $63 million over four years. The Hornets appeared to be staying clear of Stephenson until now, as alternatives dried up.
A 6-foot-5 shooting guard with four NBA seasons, Stephenson had a breakthrough season statistically, averaging 13.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 4.7 assists. He also shot 49 percent from the field and 35 percent from 3-point range.
Posted by Observer Sports on July 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM | Permalink
Sign him Hornets!!!!!
Posted by: Hot Sauce | Jul 15, 2014 10:36:21 PM
Finally...make it happen. 2Years/$25M is a good deal with some leverage for Stephenson and a safety net for the Hornets if it doesn't work.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 15, 2014 10:36:50 PM
This is your chance to make something happen. Could have done this a week ago with him & Deng. There's an old saying that pride comes before a fall, meaning you have to sacrifice need for chemistry & if Clifford is the coach you believe him to be, he, Big Al, & maybe Boozer if you sign him can keep him focused
Posted by: David | Jul 15, 2014 10:43:27 PM
Man I hope the Pacers resign him. Born Ready is such a hooper! I wish Indiana would go into the luxury tax to sign him, but I understand why they can't. If you sign him Charlotte I hope you enjoy it. He's so fun to watch and is a great up and coming player. 5 years $50 million is what he should at least get. In my opinion, my Pacers low balled him, but they had to because of their cap situation.
Posted by: Pacers Fan!! | Jul 15, 2014 10:45:10 PM
On the Gordon signing; Everyone knew the Jazz would match although they hoped no one would offer more than the 12 million being offered. Gordon needed an accomplice to get the Jazz to meet his terms and Jordan needed to show that he was willing to lay down hard cash to improve.
So, the Jazz overpay and Jordan looks like a spender although he really was going to pick up Carolina Marvin all along.
If true to my speculation, very good game sirs.
Posted by: Altheus | Jul 15, 2014 10:49:30 PM
LET'S PARTY LANCE BABY!!!!
Posted by: PJ Hairston | Jul 15, 2014 10:54:18 PM
Interesting....his PPG and RPG average are almost identical to Boozers. Hmm?
Posted by: Chris | Jul 15, 2014 11:02:53 PM
good riddance. maybe as the 4th/5th option on your team you can hide Lance's weaknesses, but i am glad to finally have him off my team. PLEASE take him away Charlotte, and watch him become an infuriating headache. Shaqtin' a Fool REGULAR, right up there with Perkins and Javale. he'll entertain, he'll dance, he belongs on a playground, but he WON't help you win. in fact, he may tear apart your team just as they start getting good. THANK YOU for clearing the rubbish, and SORRY about your future. you're going to regret this summer in the future
Posted by: pacer | Jul 15, 2014 11:08:40 PM
Sure why not. At this point what does it matter.
Cho has set the Hornets back at least three years with his busted draft picks, might as well gamble and overpay another FA, Marvin Williams style, and hope for the best.
Cho must go!
Posted by: Fred | Jul 15, 2014 11:09:20 PM
I am so psyched to read that the signing many Hornets fans wanted may actually happen. Not only would this instantly be a competitive team, it'd be an intense one hornets-nest style. Which is frankly what it'll take to beat teams like the Bulls, Cavs, and even Heat.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 15, 2014 11:09:57 PM
Rick Bonnell is a total butthole.
Can he be any more dour?
His tone here is 100% negative. Him rolling his eyes is evident in every word. Everyone knows the Hornets went after Gordon Hayward first, but that doesn't mean they haven't always thought that Stephenson was an option.
For a beat writer, he's rarely "upbeat."
"Hornets NOW CONSIDERING signing Lance Stephenson"???
The fact that he, personally, doesn't want Stephenson, clearly comes through. Just leave your animosity at home and tell us what the team is doing. Your personal opinions are irrelevant.
Posted by: ThinkAboutIt | Jul 15, 2014 11:28:52 PM
Stephenson to hornets is such a perfect fit
Posted by: john | Jul 15, 2014 11:31:31 PM
"Can he be any more dour?"
Slurpers often confuse realism with dourness...^^^this one is no different.
"Your personal opinions are irrelevant."
Complete and utter nonsense, buy a clue moron. (or move to Russia)
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2014 11:34:53 PM
Cbssports has Hendo ranked a few spots from Lance but I must say that based on character, I prefer Hendo. Lance ups the intensity so I kinda wanna see it but I hope it's a two year deal if it must happen.
Posted by: Altheus | Jul 15, 2014 11:45:05 PM
we need a wild card. lance would provide that. i think he and kemba would bring the best out of each other.
he is NOT the answer to our prayers, but he's a solid building block.
and henderson is the IDEAL guy to have backing him up and sharing the court with him at times. there just aren't better alternatives for our cap space and there are far worse guys to spend it on than a 24 year old coming off back to back conference finals appearances as the robin to paul george's batman.
i'm not getting my hopes up though.......i'm a (bobcats) fan. i know better.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 12:07:03 AM
The guy who said Cho must go is a %&#@ing retard. That is all.
Posted by: EdTheGr8one | Jul 16, 2014 12:10:41 AM
Stephenson has zero offers outside of the Pacers but here . Bird is steadfast in his value and offer . He's hoping to have an idiot like Cho take him off his hands so the fans don't crucify him . His Per is at or near league average but he wants max money . His strength is nor scoring at 13 a game but stealing rebounds , stat stuffing in a contract yr and assists off the second unit . His teammates think he's crazy . He's too impulsive to avoid trouble and showing out . Once he's the team distraction , there will be no where to unload him . At least Jax was a near max player . Once he grabs the ball from Kemba , what will Kemba do other than stand around ? How will he react to the constant dump into Jefferson who never gives it back possession after possession ? Lmfao ..Watch Cho do something stupid as if it will make up for all his sins ( losing Hayward which was a prayer , passing on Lilliard , Bledsoe and Lowry when they were available , Mkg , Zeller , biz ) . All he will do is be the next guy in line to steal minutes from Mkg who never plays in the 4 th rotting on the bench behind Taylor , Neal and Cdr . What's this say for Neal , Cdr and Taylor ? Lots of loyalty to this guys . Lol. He won't move the needle to avoid the following teams that will show up better than the Hornets ... Bulls . Pacers . Atlanta . Wizards . Bucks . Pistons . Nets . Cavs . Knicks . Miami . That's 10 teams . The role players are here . It's the two no passing , no defending stars at pt gd and center that must be upgraded . Stephenson : you will never get out the first round w these two . Go ask Utah fans on Jefferson and old teammates . Go look at Kembas assists at the rim here . You will get zero easy buckets you get from Pg here . Zero . Then you will be the scapegoat . Go back to the Pacers . W you , they may win the East . We have the worst Gm in the nba . The Pacers have the best .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 1:35:29 AM
Bird traded for Hendrrson yrs ago but Bob Johnson said no . There's no way they tie up that much money at sg . Possibly the Pacers and Hornets can swap them out to help out both teams . Once the Pacers get Dragic or Bledsoe at pt gd and possibly Henderson who won't disrupt the lockeroom , they will compete w the mighty Bulls who will be King of the hill . W no Lance , they're looking at Cdr , or Sessions to start at sg .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 1:45:12 AM
No brainer. Sign the guy. Led the NBA in triple doubles. Henderson doesn't know what an assist or rebound is. This team takes a huge step forward this this guy. Add him and this is a team that can really compete. With him, Williams, Roberts and Taylor coming back it is a better roster, the second team will finally not get rim pit of the gym every night. Big Al last year. Lance this year. The a hornets will be players. I have no problem with going after Hayward first. Perfect fit. But if they end up with Lance that is much more than a consolation prize.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 16, 2014 2:37:34 AM
Save the cash for next year; play all the lottery picks hard minutes this year and make 'em earn it.
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 16, 2014 3:09:29 AM
@ Iron Man:
Knicks, Miami…? I hope you're wrong there. brother
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 16, 2014 3:12:28 AM
"No brainer. Sign the guy. Led the NBA in triple doubles."
Great point, Mike Ter-
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 16, 2014 3:15:07 AM
Well it's official he's signed. 3 yrs/27 mil.
You won't find that on this excellent site anywhere though. Just like with the Panthers, have to rely on the national sites for news because the local site constantly drops the ball.
While Bonnell says they're considering it, others report the signing. Rick get out of bed!!
Posted by: Fred | Jul 16, 2014 6:39:29 AM
Miami has Bosh . Wade . Birdman . Chalmers . Deng . Napier . McRoberts . Beasley . They will get a back up sg . And have another young big man coming . .. The Knicks have Dalembert . Bargs. Stat . Melo . Smith . Shumpert . Hardaway jr . The new pt gd that can play . Grant Hill said he guarantees they make the playoffs . Ok , if I'm wrong about two , the Hornets are still out . If I'm wrong about three which isn't happening ,the Hornets are in a dogfight for 8 th and fodder for the first place Bulls to walk over in 4 . Who's going to cover Rose ? What's Jefferson going to do against that defense ? Gasol will get 20 a night on Williams and any tandem at pf . Their stingy defense will turn Kemba over and make him a volume shooter to get close to his average . Save this post .
What's Lance going to do when he's told to feed the Post three times in a row ? As they do oftentimes in the first , second and 4 th ? He's a streak shooter . When he's off and the scapegoat not getting touches w his big contract hanging over his head , is he going to stand mute ? Or react ? What's he going to do when told he will no longer be the guy who gets the ball at end of quarters which pad his stats bc this award goes to Kemba who's not once all yr passed to a teammate but taken every shot ? Imagine that . Every shot at the end of each quarter as if there were no one in place for a better shot . How's that going to sit w Lance ?
Will he blow in Kembas ear ? Or punch his ass in the lockeroom ? He's going to act out . It's in his DNA . Bird could have found more money . Hill was getting 40 m . Lol. When he acts out and you can't trade him bc it's his final chance , you have to send him home w pay . What will Lance do w Hairston when he jacks it everytime w the second unit and he's out there ? You've brought two live grenades in the peaceful lockeroom . How many fights you going to break up in practice bc of those two going at each other ? Cho has never been in a practice outside of playing the violin . It's patently obvious he's never played ball before . When he's on the plane to go see Lance in Vegas , to offer him 4 yrs at 11 m a yr , he better think about something other than I finally made my big splash in free agency so I'm set for another yr . Bc he's about to offer a license to a fool . You guys tired of Jax after two yrs . This guy will take the lesser of 5 months .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 6:41:32 AM
Move Henderson . Lock Kemba up w that money saved . This is the next move of Cho . Clifford will want to play both wings using Lance at sf since he played James we'll who's a pf . Playing him at sf will give him a huge advantage . He certainly can defend sfs . Clifford wants nothing to do w Mkg . Or Biz for that matter . An option is Neal being shipped for a back up center or real back up pt gd . Ultimately , Lance will want to play sg and
Henderson will demand a trade . The Pacers would take him now as would Okc in a ny second to fill huge holes . Memphis too . Or get jj back in a trade w the Clippers and send Hairston packing along w Henderson . In a serious playoff run , you want 4 serious gds as they now have . 5 w Hairston . You have to have this firepower in this gd driven league . But they don't have one that compliments Kemba unless you put Lance there . A defensive lineup of Lance . Henderson . Mkg . Williams and biz would strangle teams . Ditto even if you had Jefferson out there for scoring .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 7:56:24 AM
This signing will come back to haunt Cho . It will be his undoing . There's zero chance bc of the numerous variables that Lance won't implode and fracture this team to the core . . Let's get this party started . Hope there's some clauses in his contract about character and fitness .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 8:23:07 AM
Exactly the way I drew it up! Clifford has some talent to work with now. This team is being aggressive. Have to like it. Playoff team that adds, Stephenson, Williams, Roberts, Taylor, Hairston and Vonleh. That is quite a summer. Any improvement from their own players and this team is loaded! The team option in the 3rd year is another good move.
Hendo off the bench is the best role for him. Would not surprise me if he ends up backing up at the 3 depending in how Taylor comes back. Either way is fine.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 16, 2014 8:39:28 AM
In other words, welcome to Charlotte Lance.
I like him at 9 per a lot more than Heyward for max money.
Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 16, 2014 8:40:27 AM
If Stephenson can lead us into the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs, he can blow in any opponent's ear he wants.
Welcome to Charlotte, Lance!
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2014 8:42:43 AM
Feed the post 3 times? Looks like Clifford has different plans for Lance. Iron Man is clueless....
"In his meeting with Charlotte, Stephenson became impressed by the organization’s direction and intrigued about a pitch on his offensive role. The Hornets have searched for an infusion of talent and emerged as a viable option once Gordon Hayward remained with the Utah Jazz."
Posted by: Real | Jul 16, 2014 8:48:11 AM
And the Pacer tried to wrap him up for 5 years. Not something you would do if you thought he was a problem. Biggest mistake the Pavers made were bringing in Bynum and Turner. Compete disasters. But sure Larry Bird is perfect. Whatever.
Posted by: Real | Jul 16, 2014 8:53:13 AM
Lance & Marvin Williams for $41M is much better than Gordon Heyward for $63M. Hornets made out by the Jazz matching that offer sheet.
Posted by: Jack | Jul 16, 2014 9:02:28 AM
Complete capitulation by the Boobs....surprise, surprise.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 16, 2014 9:09:18 AM
As far as Bird, all I can say is this ain't the 80's. It's been a long time since Bird has beaten Jordan in anything.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2014 9:11:39 AM
Well done Mr. Cho. Well done. Gave Hayward a run but still end up with Stephenson. At the number it might end up being the better deal. Big Al last year. Stephenson this year. Good team right now. Whose next?
Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 16, 2014 9:13:57 AM
This will be either a homerun or a strikeout but lets refresh on a few things here:
1) League has a cap and a minimum don't forget.
2) 2 years is a rental to prove self. If next year he hasn't panned out great trade bait and salary dump for someone or us.
3) in 3 years this team could look 100% different or keep certain pieces.
4) we paid Gordon $13mm and got nothing.
So think about this or rookies one more should pan out besides Kemba:
Noah, PJ, Zeller, MKG, Taylor, and Biz.
If even one hits think about are new starting 5 in 2-3 years.
SF- MKG or Taylor (still not convinced Taylor doesn't end out better in long run)
Center - Biz (haha kidding) Al.
And in mean time a great 2nd team that can score.
This team won't win championships unless a few folks develop into stars but will be a solid playoff team 2nd round most years at least
Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Jul 16, 2014 9:17:00 AM
I like this plan. Get some vets in for a few years and let the kids develop behind them. Create a winning atmosphere and cultivate the fan base. Once this cycle of players retire or move on, then you will have the draft picks developed and ready to start.
Season Ticket: we got the 9th pick in the draft for paying Gordon $13M.
Oh, yeah: Fire Bonnell!
Posted by: Jeff Otah | Jul 16, 2014 9:50:21 AM
It's obvious Rick has no inside sources within the Hornets organization. I probably have better inside info! It is sad when the national media continues to scoop the local beat writer every time.
Posted by: DS | Jul 16, 2014 9:56:47 AM
lancellmakeemdance to charlotte? wow.
if they trade for kevin love and sign seth curry my head is going to explode. this is so...........unbobcatish.
and no, it isn't that much money tied up at the 2 when stephenson can play the 1-3 both ways and henderson only makes 6 this year with an option for next year. if he finishes that contract and we're in contention, he would probably stay for the cheap. and he's absolutely the kind of guy you want on the roster as long as he isn't overpaid.
only reason henderson needs to be going out is in a deal for kevin love. which is the only thing they should be working on right now.
swapping mcroberts for williams, adding stephenson, drafting vonleh and hairston.....looking like a SOLID offseason.
signing stephenson not only makes us better, but it makes indiana worse. they're already over the cap and spent the exception. still going to be good, but akin to miami.....not quite the same. the conference just got muddied up a bit. about 8 teams in play for top 4 spots. maybe 10.
i don't think stephenson is going to be THE franchise guy, i think he'll be the number 2 guy. but a solid number 2. paid like a number 3. but there is definitely a chance he becomes an elite number 1 while being paid like a number 3. great value signing.
just wow. nobody can complain about the rebuild much. they got attainable guys and haven't given up any of our draft picks in bad deals yet.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 10:36:02 AM
"As far as Bird, all I can say is this ain't the 80's. It's been a long time since Bird has beaten Jordan in anything."
Candidate for dumbest post of the month!
Minny is the W.O.A.T.
Bird has been NBA Coach of Year, NBA Executive of Year, and the Pacers have played 54 playoff games since 2011.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 16, 2014 10:59:01 AM
Posted by: Brian | Jul 16, 2014 11:11:01 AM
C-Zeller (cannot be Biyombo)
SG-Hendo, Neal, Hairston
Pretty decent 2nd team and THAT is what you need in the NBA to win, because it cannot just be a strong starting 5. If Hendo goes, the bench will be fine. The question lies at backup Center, and Cho needs to address this immediately. Biyombo and Zeller are not the answer to backup Jefferson.
FINALLY, the Hornets have a really solid Shooting Guard, as they no longer have to settle for a backup in Henderson!
Posted by: I'm Buzzed after hours | Jul 16, 2014 11:11:26 AM
Last time I checked the year Bird won coach of the year, Jordan's Bulls beat Bird's Pacers in game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals and went on to win the championship.
Bird has had some victories sine the 80's, for sure, but not head-to-head against Jordan. Nor has he won it all since then. Sorry.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2014 11:15:15 AM
Who's Mj been loyal too ? DIAW ? Wallace ? Dj ? Jax ? Tyson ? Felton ? Mkg ? Now it's Hendersons turn . Zellers about to be next . At some point , you have to give players a chance to build out , fail and step it up . Not happening here w Mj . Kembas next after Zeller who's halfway out the door . A team can't gel . The players can't mesh . Mj plays w the pLAyers like he plays cards .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 11:17:51 AM
To be fair, Bird did win a gold medal in the 92 olympics, but not without the help of Jordan. Amazes me that in North Carolina, the past and present home of the game's all time greatest player, we still have holdout Jordan critics even after he brought back the Hornets name, improved the team, and pulled off two great free agent signings in consecutive years (Jefferson and now Stephenson).
It's time to celebrate this team, its true fans, and (yes) its owner.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2014 11:25:58 AM
And this team is now way better than last year with absolutely zero downgrade in answer to those thinking McRoberts will be missed. Marvin Williams and McRoberts are at worst a draw with nearly identical numbers. McRoberts wasn't an elite passing forward until Clifford coached him up and handed him a system that called upon McRoberts to play a passing/facilitating role, a skill which won't be missed now that Lance will be doing the same thing from the wing. Not to mention the new Roberts is an upgrade to our backup point guard from last year's playoffs.
With Marvin Williams and Stephenson as three point threats, we'll now have solid spacing even with MKG on the floor, freeing him up to be the defense stopper every championship team needs.
Posted by: Jeff | Jul 16, 2014 11:45:31 AM
Why do you sound so salty about the Hornets signing Lance, Rick? Is it because you were so adamant on the Hornets not showing interest? Now you have to save face and say this was a last resort signing even though there were reports at the beginning of free agency that said the Hornets contacted his agent. It's ok. You can admit it when you're wrong.
Posted by: Baz | Jul 16, 2014 12:42:40 PM
Relative to the Hayward move, this is outstanding. Team option in the third year and netting him at only 9million per year compared to 15.
You can expect a lot of bang for our buck gentlemen; Stephenson thinks he will be a max player in three years and he's determined to prove it.
I expect his best effort- great move by Cho today.
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 16, 2014 12:51:32 PM
This is a huge signing for the Hornets, more so after I learned the terms of the contract...very low risk and huge rewards. Although there are no guarantees, but I like the fact that MJ is the same guy that kept Rodman in line and held him accountable for his actions. IMO Rodman was WAY CRAZIER than Lance has ever been.
Now, is Boozer even an option for the Hornets? Or better yet, is he even a need? The Hornets need a 3rd Center more than anything unless they think Zeller is that guy, then Boozer make some sense. Not sure.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 16, 2014 1:02:07 PM
No to Boozer! We don't need him!
Posted by: Baz | Jul 16, 2014 1:35:18 PM
boozer is still an option as......this is crazy.........we still have cap room (I'm estimating about 3 million and no cap holds remaining with 13 on the roster).
i don't see it being a great move, but we could do a whole lot worse than signing boozer for 2 million as the 14th guy - even if it only improves our practice competition level. there just aren't a lot of reasons to not place a bid. you don't have to play him if you don't want to, and it should just be for this season before he becomes a free agent next summer. the big trick would be whether or not he would be tradeable after january 15th and i think the answer is no. haywood had to wait an entire year before he was tradeable.
still.....somebody gets hurt.....especially jefferson......he'd be a nice guy to have as a cheap insurance policy.
ok so can the kevin love recruiting process begin NOW?
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 1:43:00 PM
I have to agree Rick looks a bit clownish when he fails to break a story like this, for the team he covers.....then keeps a blog entry with "hornets now considering" signing the player they already signed, at the top of his "inside the nba" blog.
Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 16, 2014 1:43:46 PM
i thought rick DID break the story on twitter. league media sure is quoting him as if he did.
keep in mind he's on vegas time right now.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 1:47:12 PM
hornets vs. mavericks is at 4:30ET today but airing at 4:00 am ET on nbatv.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 2:10:47 PM
Fair enough, apologies to Rick in this instances that's the case.
Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 16, 2014 2:54:14 PM
Ball dominant . Not able to spread the floor better than anyone at sg . Slick passes leading to turnovers . High rate of turnovers will infuriate Clifford . Has no idea how the high USEAGE of clip his game . Will get tired of Jefferson not helping cover or pass out of double teams . Will not be able to pad stats bc he won't be able to play w the second unit . Not a good shooter . Mj will ultimately cross him .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 16, 2014 4:27:07 PM
Is Iron man = NASTAR99
Dude needs some therapy...LOL!!!
Posted by: Go Hornets! | Jul 16, 2014 4:44:27 PM
The Hornets would have to bring in Stephenson if they had not of made a huge mistake drafting broken jump shot can never be fixed MKG.
Posted by: Pete | Jul 16, 2014 4:44:48 PM
^^^ they don't even play the same position. and when stephenson was mkg's age.....he was a nobody 2nd round pick on the end of the bench (still taunting lebron though). let the kid grow up.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 4:54:21 PM
and ironman SERIOUSLY DUDE - FACTS. USE FACTS. THEY ARE AWESOME BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL AND NOT IMAGINED. FACTS.
stephenson had a lower usage rating than walker last year and waaaaaaaaaaait for it......................
lower than henderson, too.
assist to turnover of 7/4 is pretty effing good for a young scoring wing. far from a high rate of turnovers. henderson was at the same rate without the playmaking. and stephenson is just as good a defender as henderson, but can also play point. we could easily get away with not playing brian roberts much at all and not signing a 3rd point guard. henderson/kemba/lance in a 3 man rotation at the 1-2; mkg/taylor split minutes, williams/zeller; jefferson/biz; vonleh should spend the year in the d-league honestly. at least the beginning. there's just no reason to NOT be diligently working on his development. they should be working on turning him into a monster. hire tim grover and holger geschwindner both and get it right with that kid. for once.
i would say the same of hairston, but he needs babysitters - so keep him close. he's definitely more nba ready, too.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 16, 2014 5:04:10 PM
it's a good signing given the $$ and length of deal.
to compete in the East you need to have a competent defender for LeBron.
do you guys really want to see Douglas Roberts try to match up again? that was a disaster, and we already know what happens when MKG tries to take him on.
Posted by: Rodriguez | Jul 16, 2014 5:31:35 PM
We signed a talented player, but not a great one. Coach Clifford wants improved 3 point shooting. Lance is mediocre (for a SG) in this category, at 35% last season (33% career). And, 71% FT shooting. MKG has a better FT percentage!
He has an edge over Hendo offensively because he's more aggressive and stronger.
Still, he's not a great scorer.
He can move a few points up from his 13.8 ppg last season, but don't think we got the next James Harden.
The worst part is, of course, his character. I can't even guess what's gonna be left of the great locker room togetherness this team had last season.
He's not a good "chemistry" guy, based on all that was reported about him last season. This matters, when it comes to getting the best out of a group of players.
I trust PJ less than Lance to stay out of trouble off the court (and I mean, in what he does when he's away from the team).
But I trust Lance less than PJ when it comes to roster chemistry and team-first approach.
And we're blessed with both of them now...
The great chemistry team of last year shall be known from now on as the 2Kh team (the two knuckleheads team).
Honestly, I hope for no trouble from these two guys. But, good planning is better than mere hope; signing Lance is not good planning, for this reason.
- - -
Before they gave that ridiculous/unrealistic offer sheet to Hayward, I was saying I'd like them to go for Luol Deng, and also, that I'd prefer Trevor Ariza, but we probably can't get him.
That was because the rumors were that the Wizards want to keep Ariza.
Well, they didn't.
The Rockets got Ariza for a 32 mil/4 yrs. contract. He was an UFA, and we had room under the salary cap to offer him more, including to offset the North Carolina income tax. Same yearly rate as was offered to Stephenson, to get a very good two-way player, without the headaches.
Ariza is the shooter we needed. He made 40.7% from behind the arc last season.
Instead, for 3 point shooting, we just settled for mediocrity. Marvin Williams, Lance Stephenson and Brian Roberts - all at 35-36% for 3 pointers.
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 16, 2014 6:32:03 PM
**Heat guard Ray Allen called Stephenson’s behavior “buffoonery.”**
Great, got us a Buffoon, just super.
The Pacers are one of the most well structured and disciplined organizations in the league and they barely kept The Buffoon from flying off the tracks. 14 technicals, fist fight with a teammate, barging in to huddle of opposing team, blowing in the ear of the best player in the world....
....now he's firmly ensconced in the Boobsylum, with Punch Drunk as a fellow inmate -- this is gonna get uuuuuugly.
You slurpers have no concept of how important team chemistry is on and off the court....this team is worse than the one we had last year.....and the proof will come in the form of a win loss total.
McRoberts and CDR were 2 of our 3 best players, on and off the court, the nucleus is blown to smithereens.
Slurpers, prepare for extreeeeme frustration.....gonna get uuuuugly.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 9:55:05 AM
Clifford hates Mkg . He plays the no. Two pick 24 minutes a game and rarely much in the 4 th q . He has used , Taylor , Neal and cdr over him . This won't stop bc of the following : he won't stop defending wo fouling , he takes only 6 shots a game keeping no defender busy or from doubling someone , he shoots 11% from the arc and doesn't even stand out there to receive passes , he settles for instances of disappearing , has no mid range game , allows Kemba and Jefferson to miss him off cuts , hand offs and post ups , doesn't run the pick n roll as a roller or ball handler ( but should ) or shot and doesn't demand to be involved in the offense .
Clifford is here to win now and cares less about who he uses or hurts not using . Henderson attempts 12 shots a game and shoots 35% from the arc and gets to the line better than Lance or Mkg at 4 times a game . Lance is 2.5 which won't go up bc he's not explosive in traffic at the rim . Lance and Mkg shoot in the low 70 's from the line which will be a problem . Lance is 230 pounds at 6 ft 5 . We saw that Turner and Afflalo played sf all yr and Lance had no problem defending even the best sfs bc of his strength and weight . I would guess Henderson wants out . But cap space to absorb him is drying up . He may have to wait when a sg that's making a push goes down at the break . You can't get much but a 2 nd rounder or two for him and his value playing as a starter or coming off the bench is huge here and much more meaningful . If you could convince him to adjust , you immediately shore up the horrific declines in bench scoring and losing leads which lost as many games as Kembas getting torched in the lane in crunch .
Clifford will possibly start Mkg but Henderson and Lance will get the lions share of wing minutes . If the big greedy two share the ball , w Williams at pf , to spread and shore up the horrific defense at pf from McRoberts , this could be a serious unit . The bench would hold leads in Neal , Mkg , Roberts , Taylor , Zeller . Hairston . . I agree Vonleh should be in the d league as should possibly Hairston be .
If Kemba buys into defense , you have 4 defenders on the starting unit . Help defense , shot blocking and opposing pt gd penetration is shored up . This is huge . HUGE !!!!!! If Lance is allowed to handle the offense and he makes lobs , back door passes and dimes on the break , this is huge . HUGE !!! Finnaly you have a guard who will run the pick n roll although I always thought Mkg n Henderson could have done it as the ball handler .
Kemba attempts 16 shots a game . Jefferson 19 . Kembas must go down bc of his shooting percentage alone . Plus to concentrate on attempting to facilitate in the lane more . I'm warming to the acquisition bc it will take the ball from Kembas hands more who can't see bc of his height , poor decision making , poor ct vision and penchant to OVERDRIBBLE .
In short , it will be Mkg that will get clipped again unless he has an improved jumpshot and his attempts go way up . All this stuff about how he adds to wins bc of his defense is out the window now bc of adding Lance and Williams . I would trap full ct or at least half ct and throw out Williams , Mkg , Henderson , Lance at ot gd and Biz just to see what you get . Lance , Williams and Henderson would have to carry the half ct offense for this brief stint . But I would encourage the running on everything and all out attempts to turn the other team over . This will change things a spell too if only to cool off someone that's hot . Recall too that Henderson exploded at sf averaging 20 points a game after the break . You have to re exploit this and Clifgord said as much the other day . If Lance can make the complete transition to pt gd , then you got soooooooooooooooooooooooo many issues resolved w the holes usung Kemba there . Think the no. One pick n the upcoming draft . Or Carter Williams w better defense . Or drew Holliday . If Lance could do this and replace Kemba , I would cry and never post again .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 9:55:16 AM
4:00 PM ET against new orleans today.
zeller looked good yesterday. it's amazing how much better he looks when he gets the ball in post up, turns and faces and then blows by the defenders he's quicker than.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 11:06:10 AM
Zeller should be used in the post at the foul line . He could pass to cutters , dribble drive , hit the elbow shot or hit arc guys . This will offset the loss of McRoberts and get the ball out of Kembas hands . And cut down the dump into Jefferson campaign . I doubt he's gained enough bulk and strength to beat out Williams better strengths in the lineup . I expected more from him . It appears that so did the front office .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 12:04:50 PM
for those that missed it last night. really expected drake to bomb and was watching simply to see the silence and awkwardness of the crowd and he actually killed it.
johnny manziel from the man in cleveland to a man that lives in cleveland.....good stuff. doesn't even matter who wrote it, he delivered it. the music numbers were hilarious, too.
lance wins cool points for going along with the bit, too. we're one big move away from having a legitimate chance at contention.
i don't think some of you realize how stacked and sustainable this roster is. we have 2 roster spots open with no holes and the biggest predicament we have right now is how to work out the rotations in a way that gets minutes for our 2 rookies (does not look like either will play right now barring major moves).
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 12:10:33 PM
Nastars . You missed your biggest evidence bashing Lance . Some national sports guy said recently that putting Lance in the Hornets lockeroom would be a disaster . And the Pacers fans are lining up to say he's overrated . I agree basically w Sandy . He won't add much more in his points per game average but his ball handling and passing wil help a lot . Plus of course defense and ability to defend sfs bc of his weight and what he did against James . If only he gets the ball out of Kembas hands , this will be tremendous and I think you will begrudgingly agree . No one knows what a disaster he is at pt gd bc no one has come in here that's made a difference .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 12:15:28 PM
Sandy, I get your point and respect your opinion, but I truly believe you are wrong and taking certain things out of context.
First of all, Lance is not and has never been a bad teammate. Hibbert, George and Hill, all hate to see the guy go. He played his heart out every night (a little too much sometimes). Last year it was reported that he had an altercation with Evan Turner. Guess what, Turner was the new guy, he is not regarded as a good teammate and even i look at the guy and feel like punching him. He is crazy and volatile, but not with his teammates, all his "antics" have been against his opponents. Also, I truly believe this locker room is strong enough to keep him in line, and I trust that the same MJ that dealt with Dennins Rodman (way crazier than Lance) will be able to work with Lance.
It is true that Lance is not the next Harden. But that is why Lance is making $9M per season and Harden is making Max money ($16M Avg.). Also, Lance has way more chance at becoming a better player than Harden. Right now Lance's defense and rebounding is years ahead; ballhandling and passing he is a close second, on offense Lance is more efficient although his usage rate is way lower than Harden.
Also, I love Henderson and I would like for the Hornets to keep him and that he is willing to come of the bench and play both the Sg and SF backup. I'd rather trade Neal and Hairston for that matter, if necessary. But Henderson will NEVER be like Harden and at best will be what Lance is today. Lance has a REAL chance at becoming a legit All-Star year in and year out. Hendo will be the SG version of Gerald Wallace at best. It's a matter of upside.
Also, Ariza shot 40% last year (contract year) before that he cracked 36% just once and never more than 33%. He always wakes-up in contract years and then disapears. The same thing happened when he signed with the Rockets 5 years ago, then he went from Houston to New Orleans to Washington. He was nothing more than trade bait, until last season. Also, both he and Deng are almost 30. Lance at 23 is a better player than both, with all his antics. Had Lance not been a "knucklehead" he would have signed a max deal...period.
Finally his 3PT% is just fine, he is currently slightly above average. 40% from 3Pt is elite, but every single one of his stats has gotten better and better every year. In 4 years, he has received more responsbility from his team, he's been held to a higher level of accountabiility and he has gotten better and more efficient even with more preassure on him. From a talent and b-ball perspective, all odds are on his side to become a Superstar or at least an All-Star for years to come. Is he Lebron James?...NO, but he is arguably the 2nd best player in the team and the one with the highest potential to be a Star in the very near future (hopefully). And his current contract terms are perfect for the Hornets.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 17, 2014 12:16:59 PM
and for those previously complaining about biz' lack of attendance at the photo'd practice sessions/summer league/whatever....
dude is running a charity basketball camp in lumbashi for nba africa.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 12:21:31 PM
Also, for those intending to knock on Lance for not being James Harden. If you adjust Lance's stats (assuming his current efficiency stays and does not improve), using Harden's "Usage Rate", Lance's adjusted stats would be:
23PPG-6APG,8RPG in 36MPG, while shooting 49%FG, 36%3FG and 71%FT with a 24.00PER+/-.
That will make him the best SG in the Eastern Conference and a Top 5 SG in the NBA, and possibly a Top 20-25 NBA Player overall.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 17, 2014 12:36:10 PM
^^^^ which is speculating that he would see harden'esque opps in our offense. possible considering henderson and walker had 22.1 and 25.8% rates.....harden at 27.8%
but that's assuming he maintains the same efficiency while adding volume. some guys get better with more volume as it allows them to have more confidence/better rhythm.....others slip due to fatigue or more defensive concentration.
the big thing that stands apart to me is that lance has been a playoff gamer. harden has.....at times....disappeared in the playoffs. and stephenson is a way better defender.
I don't expect stephenson to score anywhere near harden's 25+ a game. but I think 18 with a lot of extras and defense is probable. and just the fact that henderson and he will keep lesser talents off the floor for us makes us better. we can now throw henderson/stephenson/mkg/jeff taylor out the entire game.
there is NO TEAM in the league with that level of wing defense. none. there aren't many that are even close.
and while 35% on 3's isn't outstanding when compared to guys that are only catch and shoot.......he shot twice as much volume as henderson last year, giving him a significantly higher TS%. additionally.......that 3% is diluted by creating late second off the dribble shot attempts (aka kemba's) that are low% and horrible shots. he was among the best catch and shoot guys in the league last year. better than thompson, better than allen.
and the fact that he's only 24 and only 2 years of actual playing experience tells you there is plenty of room to tweak and improve his game.
and the facts are.....it was lance or nobody (or rodney stuckey types). to get the guy for 3 years with the last year a non-guarantee was an absolute steal.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 12:50:52 PM
".....it was lance or nobody (or rodney stuckey types)."
Could have had McRoberts and CDR, would have been preferable to me.
The current Booberation will win fewer games than the one last year.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 9:46:08 PM
hahahahaha mcroberts and CDR or stephenson and marvin williams?! are you serious? you want to give mcroberts a 4 year deal? serious? CDR only came aboard because jeff taylor and MKG got hurt at the same time. he played great at times. jeff taylor replaces him easily. stephenson upgrades significantly.
if they win less games this year it's because of injuries and or a few trades bringing talent east. as it sits right now, i think we're the 5 seed with about 47 wins. with room for growth.
rolling out the same team as last year would have won less than they did last year.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 18, 2014 3:38:55 PM
I never denied Stephenson's strengths: defense, rebounding and ball handling. In these categories, he's one of the top SGs in the league. I also didn't deny his upside for offense; I wrote I expect his scoring average to go up a few ppg. I'm also aware that his playmaking ability will compensate for losing Josh McR. I never ignored these things.
But, I chose not to go much into these positives in my previous post, because my purpose there was only to explain why I didn't want him to be signed by the Hornets.
Those points still stand, I still don't like getting this player here - for all his strengths and upside.
About being a good teammate: he had some ugly incidents with both George Hill and Evan Turner (not with the latter only), and no, Paul George is not about to miss him. I read an interview (before lance signed with the Hornets) where Paul G. sounded quite uninterested in keeping Lance in Indiana (he was very diplomatic and reserved, but also, totally unexcited about that perspective). It's about the kind of character he is, not about playing ability.
Then, I saw him playing, and I still say he's no James Harden in offense (though, he's a lot better in defense). He was last season the third scoring option for the Pacers, and he averaged 13.8 ppg.
What I mentioned about his offensive upside meant to me 16-17 ppg next season. Charlottean expects 18. It's really close. We'll see, who was closest.
And, no other choice? Right, after the Rockets did the smart thing and got Ariza.
What Rob C. said about his showing up in contract years is true. But, it also matters who the coach is.
Under coach Clifford, there is accountability. IF we had gotten Ariza, he would've learned quickly that you produce, or your playing time will be distributed between MKG and Jeff Taylor.
Also, in my opinion, those concerns don't outweigh the character issues with Stephenson. The guy can occasionally blow up, get out of control, and I don't like taking this risk. What's occasionally ? It's under pressure, it's when things don't go his way, it's if he's not geling well with his new teammates; plenty of such opportunities.
Both Lance and PJ are very competitive, very volatile, and they will vie for minutes at the same position. That's a very undesirable mix to have in the team. I would've much rather taken a chance on PJ only, since we already drafted him before his latest troubles became known, and hope our locker room will keep him in line. But this mix...
Posted by: Sandy | Jul 18, 2014 5:31:13 PM
Here we go!
Looney Lance in full Hornets regalia posing with strippers...
...he's barely out of the gate but already a full fledged Boob!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 11:03:11 AM
"hahahahaha mcroberts and CDR or stephenson and marvin williams?! are you serious?"
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 11:05:29 AM
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