July 13, 2014
Hornets to sign New Orleans' Brian Roberts as backup point guard
The Charlotte Hornets have come to agreement with point guard Brian Roberts on a two-year, $5.5 million deal to back up starter Kemba Walker next season.
Roberts spent the past two seasons in New Orleans. He wasn’t chosen in the 2008 draft after a college career at Dayton. He played overseas – first in Israel, then in Germany – before catching on with the then-New Orleans Hornets at summer league in 2012.
Roberts got considerable playing time last season due to an injury to Jrue Holiday. Holiday had surgery in February to treat a stress fracture in his right leg.
Roberts played 72 games and started 44 last season, averaging 9.4 points and 3.3 assists. He should be a plus to the Hornets’ sub-standard shooting, as he shoots 94 percent from the foul line and 36 percent from 3-point range (42 percent overall).
Roberts is listed at 6-foot-1, 180 pounds, so he’s very similar in size to Walker. The Hornets explored several options at point guard, including ex-Bobcats Shaun Livingston and Ramon Sessions, before focusing on Roberts.
Yahoo Sports first reported the Hornets' agreement with Roberts.
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Posted by: DL | Jul 13, 2014 5:16:25 PM
A good player, that's who. A very underrated move by the Hornets
Posted by: DS | Jul 13, 2014 5:30:07 PM
So you're telling me that we could have given an offer sheet to Chandler Parsons for 4 years 63 million and had our own Big 3 in Charlotte ? GTFOH !!!
Posted by: bb1130 | Jul 13, 2014 6:26:21 PM
I'm assuming this nice young fella is not the "superstar" Air Minny referenced bringing in?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 6:27:00 PM
The Rockets will match Parsons' offer, especially since they're not getting Bosh, so just like Hayward, he's not going anywhere.
Posted by: Chltpreach | Jul 13, 2014 6:32:31 PM
How do we even know if Chandler Parsons even thought of Charlotte? Chandler may not have even gave the Hornets the time of day. Anyway Roberts is a solid player who can shoot that's who he is.
Posted by: jason | Jul 13, 2014 6:34:41 PM
I like the sounds of 94% from the line. Shorty has long been deficient in this area, clearly he can learn something from this nice young fella Brian Roberts. Nice to have a true PG on the roster. Will there be open competition for the starting job? Should be...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 6:51:21 PM
Kemba is a borderline star. Brian Roberts is a good player but Kemba is too and getting better every year.
Posted by: DS | Jul 13, 2014 7:08:02 PM
Pretty clear why they drafted PJ Hairston. No one on the roster can make the shots he hit today. Serious range.
Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 13, 2014 7:54:13 PM
brian roberts is a solid player, but i find it hard to believe this is the best we can do. I also find it hard to believe he's worth more than the minimum.
Parsons wouldn't have signed here since dallas offered max. no state tax in texas either. and no...the rockets are not matching, they already announced it.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 13, 2014 7:59:13 PM
Roberts is a good player but he's not a "true" PG, although I think that term is overstated.
Posted by: Jack | Jul 13, 2014 8:04:36 PM
If Clifford can instill some discipline in PJ's game. And I think he is the coach to do it, he can be a real weapon for this team. That was an impressive 3 point display. Catch and shoot, quick release, coming off screens. Obviously there are some maturity issues, but wow. That guy can bring rain. Will be a very interesting player to watch this year. When the ball goes into the post you can definitely not leave him. Hope he grows up enough to contribute this year.
Posted by: James | Jul 13, 2014 8:18:58 PM
Why do you people keep talking about Parsons? I don't think either party was interested so stop with the "we could of had him" stuff.
Posted by: DS | Jul 13, 2014 9:41:27 PM
Reports are that Chandler Parson's agent is tight with Mark Cuban. I am sure that the Hornets gauged his interest. We didn't hear about it because he preferred Dallas. Make sure you know what you are talking about before commenting. We didn't have a shot at Parsons!
Posted by: Kenneth | Jul 13, 2014 9:43:02 PM
was it though? he was 6 of 13 from 3 and 6 for 20 overall. 3 trips to the line and a turn.....
24 possessions for 22 points is far from bad, if this is a bad day from hairston it's impressive. but it isn't all that noteworthy. other guys have had far more impressive summer league games than that. courtney fells just had 25 points on 15 possessions today.
vonleh grabbing 18 boards in 31 minutes was impressive. 8 fouls - but a few of those were offensive/loose ball BS calls.
we have a HORRIBLE supporting cast for those 2 guys. zeller will help, but i mean you look at some of these other teams and they have 4 or 5 nba players. sacramento had like 6 and that doesn't include goliath.
and i'll say it again.....if cleveland is selling bennett and waiters......we could do a whole lot worse than giving up jefferson to get them and a pick. that kid looks great. mcdermott did, too. although not a lot of defense on quincy miller.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 13, 2014 9:51:37 PM
The more success Hairston has, the more of a problem he's going to be. He already has the self entitled attitude. One of the reasons the Spurs are successful is Pop says the org drafts players that are over themselves. He was a potential lotto pick w/o issues, we'll see how long he needs to be babysat.
Posted by: Jack | Jul 13, 2014 9:58:25 PM
I am so afraid that P.J. will continue to make mistakes off the court. But if he doesn't he can be the perfect addition to this team down the line. It's still early in both their developments but today was a game in which Hairston's game was on display versus the game of Nik Stauskas. Stauskas can shoot, but that's all he does. And he's slow! He struggled to get away from defenders today who won't even make NBA rosters. P.J. has to become a more disciplined defender, but he has the foot speed and enough athleticism to do so. He can shoot as well as Stauskas and he can create his own shot! His offense on the court with the defense of MKG will be great. And MKG's real value will be realized. We actually got the best player from the draft at pick 26 that can fill our shooting deficiencies. If he can just stay out of trouble.
Posted by: Kenneth | Jul 13, 2014 10:03:50 PM
"P.J. has to become a more disciplined defender, but he has the foot speed and enough athleticism to do so."
Apparently his right cross is pretty good as well.
"We actually got the best player from the draft at pick 26 that can fill our shooting deficiencies."
What does the first part of that sentence mean?
"If he can just stay out of trouble."
Just in the last few weeks he...
-- assaulted a high school kid.
-- loaned his car to a known drug addict who got himself arrested in it.
-- continues to consort with a convicted felon whose actions got Punchy tossed off the UNC team.
-- retained an agent who isn't certified by the NBA and may cost the Boobs a fine from the league.
You may want to temper your enthusiasm on ol' Punch Drunk Hairston...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 13, 2014 10:35:21 PM
Stop letting the $ burn a hole in your pocket, gentlemen; slow and steady wins the race.
Wait for the wise move
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 13, 2014 11:58:24 PM
i've never seen so many people enthused by a 6 for 20 summer league game.
yall do know morrison AVERAGED 20 a game shooting over 60% from 3, 55% from the field a couple years ago, right?
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 12:03:43 AM
Im interested to see this jumper MKG has now that everyone on the Hornets staff has been talking about.
Posted by: jason | Jul 14, 2014 12:16:08 AM
Agreed charlottean. Safe to say Rich Cho blew another one.
It's getting to be like Groundhog Day around here with Cho's blunders in the draft. I think he consults a Ouija board in the war room before sending his selections in to New York.
Cho must go! Cho must go!
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2014 12:16:51 AM
Also, great comparison by charlottean, saying Hairston is the next Morrison.
It's not widely known that Rich Cho badly wanted to draft Morrison, and viewed him as the next Pistol Pete Maravich. Unfortunately Jordan beat him to the punch.
But to this day the shared love of Adam is the bond Jordan and Cho share, and is how Cho ended up here after being run out of two other cities.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2014 12:26:23 AM
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 12:29:20 AM
fred you need to scroll back a few pages and get my thoughts on your cho rantings.......
you are undoubtedly one of the many dumb "hornets" fans. morrison was not, and is not a bad basketball player or a "bust" as he was labeled. he got the death card by being drafted HERE, nothing more.
hairston isn't half the player morrison is/was, but he'll surely have a better career because he's here at a better time. assuming he can stay out of trouble.
MKG is a stud prospect and anybody that doesn't recognize that (like yourself D-F-fred) doesn't know the nba. there is a list of rookies who had 25 points and 12 rebounds in a game. there is a list of those who did it twice. there is a list of guys 20 and under who have scored 20 points in a playoff game. double doubles? 20/10 games?
somebody please present those lists for me. (I already have them, I want to see how resourceful you idiots are at doing something foreign to yourselves: fact checking)
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 12:31:35 AM
Hairston is a streak shooter . It took a number of misses before he heated up . He won't be given this opportunity to find his shot like this in the season . If you let most sgs take that many shots , they will find the range . But it's ESP not happening here bc of The dump into Jefferson campaign . And after that , Kemba has to OVERDRIBBLE the clock down to justify his jacking the ball . Clifford is going to ballistic w Hairstons and Vonlehs violations of his defend wo fouling policy . If they don't keep guys in front of them , they have zero chance of hitting the floor . The guys who were taking them off the dribble won't even play or make teams . Both have to get stronger . This will take time . But there's no time . These guys could easily get buried deep in the depth chart . I see d league stints to avoid rotting on the bench . Yes , this is only game two but the defensive deficiencies are material particularly for Hairston and he is not muscle toned . Clifford mentioned the defensive deficiencies in his interview during the game . And we know his policy on playing young guys ESP if poor defenders .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 1:56:00 AM
Charlotean . I admittedly saw Morrison in college and believed he would make it big time . He didnt . And he's had lots of chances beyond this stop . One was w the Lakers . You seem to have a penchant to fall in love w guys that are busts or near busts from the Hornets dust bin . Morrison is a bust . Biz is a bust . If they haven't moved on , he would be here getting reps . Many think it's only a matter of time to pass on Mkg who probably won't get his QO here , thus a bust . He was traded for Porter last yr but the Wizards passed . They just hugely overpaid Hayward for him to be benched for . Clifford has benched him in the 4 th w Neal , Taylor , Tolliver or Cdr . Routinely . Every game . Now you say Morrison is way better than Hairston . Hairston is the only one between the two that could get his shot off against nba sgs . He's better than Morrison even on defense for sure despite he being weak and not being able to stop sg penetration in the least .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 2:07:53 AM
he did NOT get a bunch of chances. show me the team that signed him to a legit contract after the lakers. it didn't happen. he got zero. guys that get labeled busts, don't overcome that stigma. we labeled him a bust when we didn't handle his injury properly. he was on the bench for the lakers while they won championships and he was behind bryant and artest. you act as if that's an indictment of his ability to play because he was behind 2 elite guys who won rings. while he was all of 24 years old coming off an acl injury. bryant himself said the guy shouldn't have been sitting on the bench, but they were stacked.
the guy was an elite scorer.
and for biz/mkg a guy under 21 cannot be labeled a bust. he hasn't even grown up yet. this is exactly how idiotic our fanbase is. milwaukee is slobbering over antetokounmpo and he did far less as a rookie than either biz or mkg did. biz is a multiple time top 10 shot blocker. dude was a top 10 shot blocker, rebounder and fg% guy last year without the minutes to get praised for it. you slobber over mcw when he's even worse than kemba. you sir......are not smart.
i don't have a penchant for "falling in love with busts" i have a penchant for knowing what the eff i'm talking about. i said it about augustin and he happened to have a helluva year last year while you weren't paying attention.
as i mentioned before.....i'm not the guy on here AFTER the draft with the list of 20/20 hindsights..........i'm the guy that was on record BEFORE the draft saying that nerlens noel, harrison barnes, kahwi leonard, chandler parsons, nik vucuvic, jared sullinger, were studs and we should go with those guys. those weren't guys on the list of people i thought we should get, they were THE guys. and people were talking about me "obsessing" over them, too.
the "bust" label gets thrown around in charlotte like it's candy. and because we aren't in a major media market.....the rumor mill here turns into facts elsewhere because nobody bothers to fact check. fans label a guy a bust......sure he's a bust.
joe alexander is a bust. hasheem thabeet is a bust. acie law is a bust. MKG just started on a playoff team at age 20. and biz did at age 21. how effing retarded is your line of thinking to call that a bust. kid goes for 22 and 10 against lebron in the playoffs and you label him a bust. in effing credible.
i would love to see those 3 digit SAT scores you guys pulled out. IQ in the teens, i'm sure.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 2:38:50 AM
hairston just had a mediocre summer league game. morrison DOMINATED summer league games over and over and over again.
morrison scored 30 in an nba game as a rookie. show me that list.
please for effs sake put some facts into your posts. i know you guys are highly allergic but take an epinephrine afterwards.
morrison had the same kind of rookie season kemba and countless other rookies have had. mediocre. he then played 44 more games in a bobcats uni coming off the acl tear.
that's how much we put into a #3 overall pick. 44 games coming off injury. 44 games in which he wasn't put in a position to succeed with a coach who basically publicly announced that he hated morrison.
gordon hayward IS adam morrison. morrison is the better scorer and hayward the better playmaker, but they are so effing similar and some how one is considered a max-worthy player and the other a bust.
how was hayward's rookie year? how about year 2? morrison scored 20 or more 12 times as a rookie. busts don't do that.
FACTS mfers. FACTS.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 2:47:43 AM
Why do you keep ignoring how Morrison failed at other stops after he left here ? Hairston will be a top catch n shoot arc guy if he gets the ball in Rhytm . He can't do anything else much well . Morrison never could get his shot off like that . Hairston is a volume shooter . He will hurt you badly if not on ESP next to Kemba , another volume shooter who can't facilitate to offset his jacking .
Clifford said he will improve the scoring opportunities in transition and in half ct sets for Henderson . He needs to do the same for Mkg . But did say his jumper was fixed .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 4:38:39 AM
Why are we even talking about Morrison? PJ actually played yesterday and showed some signs that he can be a capable 3 point shooter.
We should be talking about McDermott. All the talk was that we were going to take him at 9. The polar opposite of Vonleh. Mature and NBA ready. Could have helped this team immediately. I like Vonleh but he is at least 2 years away. I don't know how you pass on a player like McDermott that proved it over and over in college. This was not a Faried situation where a lot if teams missed. Very disappointing. He would have looked great in a Hornets jersey.
Posted by: James | Jul 14, 2014 6:52:28 AM
Rich Cho passed on McDermott bc his mock draft from some kid in a basement (like the one on here that thinks he's an nba owner, GM, and coach) total him too!! Oh and because Cho this year decided to draft based on Jay Bilas' best player available on the espn ticker.
We are talking about Morrison bc the same guy above is one of those fans that thinks all white guys have equal ability and should get more "chances" than other players even if they are garbage.
Still waiting to hear why MKG doesn't play in the 4th. I'm sure the answer will be because Clifford coaches his favorite player not him! Lol.
What we all kno is Cho must go!!!!
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2014 7:07:28 AM
Actually there will be no response bc in those lonnnnnnng rants FACTS are conveniently left out !! Lol.
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2014 7:09:51 AM
If McDermott stars , Vonleh and .Hairston don't contribute , cho is in a world of trouble . He must have realized his problem when he threw max money out of desparation at Hayward . If McDermott outplays Hayward or performs similarly , it's over . Securing McDermott or Hayward admits Mkg was a huge mistake at 2 . Then Biz . And Zeller not starting over a journeyman and bringing in two pfs in Vonleh and Williams . Kemba , a sg at point will set this franchise back a decade alone . ( Exum , Carter Williams , Lowry , Bledsoe , Lilliard ) . He doesn't know what he's doing or going on . Zero . There isn't a pundit that hasn't ripped his picks . This is the final straw . Get someone that doesn't keep his head up his computer . All these analytics guys never played bb which should be a condition precedent , for starters .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 7:45:02 AM
The "b" in Biz stands for b-u-s-t.... 9 minutes a game against the 3rd string of the other squad and you want to straight line the stats? LOL...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 8:22:51 AM
Wow, I've never seen this much over-reaction to a summer league game....
Posted by: TheRealJD | Jul 14, 2014 9:04:57 AM
So Adam Morrison scored 30 in one game as a rookie and that makes him not a bust? Walter Hermann scored 30 in one game once too does that make him a successful NBA player? Morrison is one of the biggest busts ever. Taking an unathletic guy from a small conference school with type 1 diabetes at the 3rd pick was a bad pick. You might be the only person in the world that doesn't think he was a bust. There's a reason other teams never played him and he was out of the league only a few years later.
Posted by: josh | Jul 14, 2014 9:07:24 AM
SI mentioned in an article last week that (paraphrasing), that basically there was little interest from Chandler Parson to play for the Hornets. He did not want to move to the East, unless for a clear contender.
Posted by: Go Hornets! | Jul 14, 2014 9:36:20 AM
he's a bust because we made him a bust. what's the difference with "unathletic" paul millsap, j.j. redick, steve novak, etc. hell the numbers were the same or better for morrison compared to thomas except for vertical. and thomas was considered a premier athlete. standing reach of 8'9 + a 31 inch vert, how much higher does he need to go to play basketball?
you can't have like 40 good games as a rookie and 40 ehh to bad to horrible, have a great summer league, great preseason, tear your acl and never get a chance again and be labeled a bad pick. even in the 40 games under brown when he came back, he had a string of REALLY good games for us.
i'm the only person in the world that says it because i'm apparently the only person in the world that watched the actual games. i said the same thing about augustin and low and behold last year he got a shot to show it and everybody shut the eff up about it after years of telling me i was an idiot. morrison wasn't so lucky.
walter hermann was a lot older. he WOULD have been a successful pro had he come over early like his buddy ginobli and learned english. he was 27 and didn't know a lick of english. by the time we figured out the talent that he was, rod higgins turned him into a horrible contract (nazr mohammad). it's also worth noting that hermann's run coincided with morrison's rookie year. meaning that when he went on that tear at the end of the year.....morrison was mostly sitting. so really....less than a full rookie year opportunity. that's what i call player development the bobcats way!
don't worry, i'll keep bringing the facts.
show me the list of the guys that are labeled busts and show me how many of them scored 30 in a game as a rookie and averaged double figures. and never got a shot after that. seriously.... SHOW ME THE LIST (it isn't long).
you guys keep blaming the picks and it has nothing to do with the picks. orlando is letting weaker talents grow up into good, solid pros. okc has been doing it for years. we claimed to be following that model and thus far we haven't bailed on any of the picks, but i suspect we're real close to bailing on 3 of them and overpaying the worst of the bunch.
ironman - morrison went to the lakers. he didn't get multiple other shots. he was a primary scorer in this league. you can't have him competing for bench minutes with role players who specialize in D &3 which translates a lot better to a role and expect that to work. he only had 1 shot - his rookie year. and his rookie year was not much different than kemba's. roughly the same.
we're talking about morrison because hairston goes 6 for 20 in a summer league game and people are acting like he just did something and guys like morrison did so much more. mkg did so much more. zeller did so much more. even jeff taylor did so much more. that's why.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 9:49:23 AM
"you guys keep blaming the picks and it has nothing to do with the picks."
You're right, it starts with ownership...
...but you keep giving ownership a free pass because they were the only one willing (dumb enough) to keep the team in town.
Now there's a new breed of super-billionaire buyers willing to keep NBA teams in crappy basketball towns --- Air Minny should go ahead and cash in while the gettin's good. He won't, too dumb....
There is some good news, at least F.W. didn't show up at the golf course in a t-shirt this year...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 10:06:03 AM
Dj showed up much more than Morrison I think while here but I have to defer to you . Dj did get w the second best passing system in the nba and finally shine . I agree it was the system . I just think that at some point if you're good , you rise to the top . He hasn't . As to Cho , no one would argue that he's not on the level of Gms w NYC , Spurs , Pacers or the Heat . So if he isn't He should go . He's learning on the job and that's not good enough . He's not a wiz . There's too many wizs out there and too few jobs for him to have his job ESP since he's made countless errors . Again , I would fire him for picking a sg to run point . Each day Kembas on the job is setting the franchise back another day . It will be a ten yr setback if he's re- signed as the starter . There's one thing for certain . The power brokers on the site agree on only one thing and one thing only ... That Cho is a village idiot , not really that good , has made too many errors in picks and must go . ( Nastars , Charlotean. Sandy , me and a few others )
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 10:47:23 AM
"That Cho is a village idiot , not really that good , has made too many errors in picks and must go ."
I second that....
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 10:51:06 AM
DJ PLAYED 4 EFFING YEARS HERE. jesus i wanna see sat/iq scores.
DJ didn't tear his acl and then get 40 games after with a coach that hated him to prove himself. DJ had a better rookie year than both kemba and morrison - yet he spent his sophomore year getting mind effed by larry brown. DJ wasn't the problem - his development was. just like with morrison, henderson, etc. etc. etc.
the only draft pick that is even justifiable as not being the fault of development is sean may and that's because it was health related. we should have known better, but at the same time........we took a guy 13th that had some monster games (32 points on dwight howard) in the few that he played. definitely didn't pan out, but if he had been healthy he was worth more than a 13th - so the risk/reward was there.
but morrison? how on earth could you justify that we gave him a fair shake? anybody saying so clearly doesn't know the nba. or basketball. or life. how much time did the panthers give thomas davis? in this town, of all towns.....you would think people would understand patience at this point. impatience got us to 7-59. impatience gave up on morrison before he got a chance. impatience gave up on augustin.
the last thing we need to do is repeat the same mistakes with biz, zeller, and mkg. and now vonleh as well. even defending kemba, this is the first time in 4 years that he has the same coach back to back years.
cho is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than rod higgins. we just got out of hell and you guys are complaining it isn't heaven. i'm complaining, too - but not to THAT point. stephenson + love should have already happened. moves that can be made constantly pass by the guy. but he also hasn't made a dampier trade or a diop trade or a nazr mohammad trade or trade gerald wallace for 2 ehhh picks and then watch portland land a top 10 pick for him a few months later. (cho was on the winning side of that deal)
i'm just thankful we have a team and thankful rod higgins is out. it's called progress.
you guys talking about hairston going 6 for 20........did you see seth curry go 7 for 9 for 26 points last night? of course not. i'm the dumb guy with unpopular opinions.
the guy that said "don't call anthony bennett a bust" all year last year.
what's the difference between harrison barnes as a rookie and harrison barnes last year? igoudala. did it make barnes worse? no. did it make him look worse? yes. circumstance happens. doesn't make the pick bad, it makes the development bad. very few mcdonald's all american's aren't worth that distinction and aren't nba-elite talents. some guys get hurt. some get in trouble. some get drafted and ruined by the bobcats.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 11:12:40 AM
I agree Cho has been just meh, and the history of developing young players at this franchise....well, there isn't really one. If the Hornets are to be better than just meh, it willbe because MKG, Zeller, Vonleh are given a chance and the resources to develop. And then do actually become good/great players.
Iron man I'm hoping there was some deliberate irony in your "power brokers" comment.
Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 14, 2014 12:03:12 PM
"cho is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than rod higgins. we just got out of hell and you guys are complaining it isn't heaven."
The tallest midget in the room is still a midget (no pun intended).
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 12:23:54 PM
Ok Charlotean . I'm sold on the failure to develop players here even Morrison . I agree w Rob c that the three he set forth should pan out , have potential and be better developed .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 12:27:22 PM
cho and rod higgins look like muresean and muggsy.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 12:51:30 PM
Nastar99, The fact that you have to ask what the first part of my sentence meant proves that you don't know basketball. I meant that even though all of the talk was that we should take Stauskas or Mcdermott at pick 9 to add offense and shooting at the 2 spot. But we got a better offensive player at pick 26 with Hairston with less less of a financial commitment for him. And I'll be the first to admit that his recent behavior worries me. But froma basketball perspective of what my team needs he fit the bill more than any one in the draft. So TEMPER THIS! How's that enthusiasm for you?
Posted by: Kenneth | Jul 14, 2014 1:01:34 PM
"But froma basketball perspective of what my team needs he fit the bill more than any one in the draft. "
Nonsense -- that's the ultimate in slurper jibber jabber. Stauskas is going to run circles around Punch Drunk when all is said and done.
Heck, given his past transgressions and the fact that he's used up all his get out of jail free cards I won't be the least bit surprised to see the Durham County D.A. throw the freaking book at Punchy when he shows up in court on August 8th.
One of the few things Minny, Yes Co. & Cho have done well is sign solid citizens, and avoid thugs like the plague --- well they departed from SOP with the Punchy pick and I'm sure they already regret it....has Punchy actually signed yet?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 1:17:59 PM
stauskus wasn't available at 9. why are we talking about him. we going to talk about anthony davis and kyrie irving too?
mcdermott vs. vonleh. it's that simple. we won't know for another 5 years. mcdermott is 22 and vonleh is 18. i think all 3 are going to be solid pros. absolute toss up who has the better career. stauskus is competing with mclemore. vonleh with zeller. mcdermott with mirotic. none of them are in GREAT positions to succeed right away.
seth curry > stauskus and mcdermott. seriously.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 1:48:56 PM
OK, so the Hornets lost Parson for a stupid offer on Hayward that EVERYONE knew it would be matched. (Although many say Parson did not want the Hornets).
Now it is reported that the Hornets are not interested in Stephenson (another questionable choice), he would be great antics or not and even after the Hayward debacle, a 3Yrs/$36M with a player option on year 3 should do the trick. The Hornets have the Cap and the need and can also do a sign and trade if necessary.
If they don't want to do that, what do we have left: Evan Turner??? I actually believe he is a much better "cost/effective" alternative than Hayward, they are pretty similar players although Hayward might be a better defender and a better shooter(by very little). But Turner can score and facilitate as good or better than Hayward and McRoberts for what is worth; he can also play 3 positions (PG, SG, SF).
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2014 2:08:53 PM
they did NOT lose parsons. parsons was not going to turn down a max with no state tax for a max with 7.25% state tax. the mavs only gave him a 3 year deal because they wanted to make it as unappealing for houston as possible. they're going to make him "new-dirk".
stephenson has been and will be the best option as I've been saying since the beginning. he was equally talented/more attainable/more cost effective than anybody else.
we should have gotten turner at the deadline for ben gordon. why that didn't happen is beyond me.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 2:35:19 PM
Back to the original topic... I wonder if the team has any interest in bring Pargo back for the 3rd PG spot?
Posted by: TheRealJD | Jul 14, 2014 2:43:30 PM
they shouldn't. roberts is basically pargo. he isn't young. he'll be 29 in december. he has starting experience in the last 2 years. we should be using some of the remaining roster spots on wild card guys - upside guys that could be better than a roberts or neal potentially. and of course an insurance big to take haywoods spot.
we have 12 now with roberts and williams. really only signing that needs to happen is lance, and keep the other roster spacesto take back bad contracts in a kevin love trade.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 3:16:49 PM
I would truly like to see the Hornets go after Jason Smith from the Pelican as a backup Center. His numbers are solid and efficient. He has true NBA Center size and skills and is a young guy with upside and future. He would be a great pick for the Hornets.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 14, 2014 5:06:40 PM
Look at the Knicks offense . It's wonderful . They have big to bigs passing , assists at the rim , back door cuts , hand offs and more passing before a shot . They have run the pick n roll and pick n pop . The offense of the Hornets has none of this . Most imp , the Knicks offense is not reliant upon the facilitating of a point gd . They're beating the Hornets by 39 points . Zeller looks weak as last yr . He has not added any bulk or strength . Vonleh better grow up quick . Hairston is starting to shoot better . Must play better defense and pass sometimes for hockey assists .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 5:14:05 PM
Any ideas yet on the "superstar" Air Minny was referencing?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 6:23:03 PM
lance'll make em dance©jalen rose.
re: summer league.....the big difference is...in past years, we had 5 or 6 guys that mattered playing. we have 3 this year (2 in the first 2 games). zeller, vonleh, and hairston all had impressive moments in the game. all had rough moments, too. but zeller had some nice finishes at the rim, vonleh had a slick spin move following a deep jumper. it's not all doom and gloom.
they gotta do a better job of getting guys around them to make them look better so they can do their thing. even if it means putting some 40 year olds out there. i mean mark price at age 50 could probably help more on the floor than off. knicks have shannon brown out there to help show guys the offense. i mean is pargo too busy to get some vegas per diem?
a lot of other teams have fringe guys that have legit shots at roster spots. we have zero guys even on nba radars. i don't know where they got these guys from (outside of the fella skeen who gets no run). cho deserves more flack for this than for other things.
this is an extension of the development program. it matters. the w/l doesn't matter, but the growth does. 15 roster spots, those last 5 + 5 dleague/euro/undrafted rookie prospects should make up the roster. taylor could have helped had he been healthy enough for a rehab stint. but how we don't have seth curry running point is beyond me. how we haven't signed him to an actual contract already is beyond me. we have plenty of cap room and nobody left to sign. we need shooters. we have roster spots. he's available for a partially guaranteed deal.
i just don't get how we always miss on the value guys. we actually used to get them here and there. gerald wallace in the expansion draft, matt carroll, walter hermann, alan anderson before he was alan anderson all come to mind.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 6:58:48 PM
Shannon Brown is not an integral part of the offense . He doesn't even start . It's the system that's much more structured . The shots are at the rim , foul line or arc . A big is given the ball or he screens . The screens for the most part are at the foul line . The Hornets screens are high ball screens freeing only the pt gd or sg . The Knicks get way more high percentage shots . The triangle isn't even run yet fully . They occasionally run a pick n roll . The Hornets still have no such thing . Ewing is not a good coach to begin w . They would force a turnover , get out in transition and easily build a lead . The Knicks used traps to cough the ball up w ease and seemed to know the weaknesses of the individual players better . In all fairness , they were bigger and stronger . Vonleh is going to be very very nice . He has the footwork , ball handling , length and athleticism . He needs to improve his touch from all over . This kid is Bosh as advertised in about 3 yrs but right now is raw .
Zeller is more aggressive but out of shape . He's still too weak tho which is going to be his only real problem but a huge one . He handled the ball and offense much more last yr . I can see why they brought in Williams .
Hairston is going to shoot you into games or out . There's no middle ground . He's a pure long range bomber volume shooter .He's very good at catching and shooting . Kemba won't be able to give him the ball in Rhytm bc he doesn't understand what that is , is little and will always be distracted by trying to look for his own shot . Hairston has problems keeping opponents in front of him . He's not close to the elite defenders Mkg and Henderson are or were at his age . He can light em up tho . He has no mid range , ability to play off the ball or finish worth much . Still he's a formidable catch n shoot guy w a great stroke .
Clifford should give Ewing some help . These blowouts are not good for a number of reasons even in summer league . There are a number of things that can be done to compete and keep games much closer . Things to counter act what's being done to the Hornets to stay in games . Start by figuring out how to get more interior attempts off . Pick , roll , hit a cutter . Low post entry passes and free a weak side cutter in the lane etc . The Bulls have a sure passing system that does not break down for easy buckets . The Knicks will have one again too . It's time the Hornets figured it out , no matter what personell is on the floor . It's sad bc Mj the owner played in such a system all his life , after Phil showed up . As Phil said today , the system is for the guys who can't create their own shots . So don't tell me the bs line of who the Bulls had in the lineup or who the Spurs have . Everyone can make a layup or chip shot . Or even attempt a shot at the foul line . And Zeller can pass from the foul line .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 14, 2014 9:26:25 PM
Bonnell and Fowler lowering the boom on the Boobs in separate columns....LOL.
“He’s going to have to grow up and grow up fast,” Ewing said. “With Josh not being there, I don’t know who our starting (power forward) will be. We need for him to improve in all those areas he didn’t do well in last season."
Hence the Vonleh insurance pick in the draft (not that he's showing anything either).
So who does Marvin Williams start over, M-CSS-KG or Zeller Dweller? (because Marvin is gonna start in Coach Cliff's merit based system)
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 14, 2014 11:01:34 PM
ironman - seriously. where the eff do you get these comments from? try some facts our for once.
for all the drug tests that p.j. hairston will surely fail in his career......i swear ewing is high as hell every day on the job and getting away with it.
fowler makes bonnell look like hollinger sometimes. "they were outrebounded 3249875234975203498752349087520349 to 5" no ish sherlock.....the knicks shot 80% from the field during that stretch. it's called compounding problems. when there aren't rebounds to be had vs. the other team having plenty when we were shooting 27%.....that's not the same as being "outrebounded".
zeller had a mediocre game, but that was far from a bad game.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 14, 2014 11:26:37 PM
Did someone say Zeller?? How could I forget to include him in the mix for biggest team draft pick Bust ever.
My grandma on roller skates has better coordination than him, lol. His favorite move last year was to run down the court, close his eyes, throw some layup attempt off the backboard without hitting the rim then flop down in the row of camera guys behind the goal. He's gonna be real good! Lol.
Dude is a total train wreck. Another great Cho pick! Does this guy even do research or just use a magic 8 ball to make decisions??
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2014 11:50:58 PM
Completely agree that Morrison was better than the credit given. Kobe doesn't coddle players and he praised Adam for being a baller. Then, across seas, he was superstar status.
Who would Gerald be if he could truly create his own shot? Better than Lance Stephenson. Look at their stats last year; both were on and off, game after game. That said, he gets throttled by bigger guards. No killer instinct.
Biz has to improve his hands and there were signs of that at the end of the season. Biz never got murdered by opposing centers either.
All in all, we've improved solely due to 3 point %.
Posted by: Altheus | Jul 15, 2014 2:11:35 AM
Zeller is basically admitting that college ball is more chaos than structured; insult to some. Then, proving he truly didn't want to be there and thought it was beneath him, he shows poor leadership in the first half by not even trying. Someone lit him up at halftime but, after actually coming alive, he throws the teammates under the bus by saying he had to play below his level, talent, and standards because guys were in the wrong spots.
Posted by: Altheus | Jul 15, 2014 2:59:20 AM
And this is the same way Vonleh will most likely be unfortunately...entitled. Entitled and a bust like Zeller. Can't believe they had to pay a career backup journeyman 7 MILLION to start for these two clowns.
It's beyond me why Cho thought going back to the Hoosier well for yet another Tom "cruise" Crean bust prospect was a good idea. Oh yeah it's because he sets his draft board based on Jay Bilas' Best Available on the espn ticker for draft day.
Cho must go!
Posted by: Fred | Jul 15, 2014 6:41:29 AM
fred = nastar? probably.
sat scores guys. let's hear it. admit it. you aren't smart and you know it. it's the first step.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 8:02:39 AM
"...he throws the teammates under the bus by saying he had to play below his level, talent, and standards because guys were in the wrong spots."
Good observation. That sort of nonsense won't serve him well with teammates. Does Zeller Dweller already want of the Boobsylum?
clttn, feeling paranoid? Hey, what kind of schools are on your CV? Technical? CPCC? ACC? Ivy? If your purview doesn't extend past the "SAT" I'm sure there's no grad school on the roster...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2014 9:27:14 AM
The one and only thing this Summer League has shown is that Ewing is not Head Coach material. He has no fire and no clue of how to organize players.
You guys are taking Zellers comments WAY OUT OF CONTEXT. He did not intend to throw anyone under the bus, he just stated the obvious. The big guys end up on the wrong end of every play because the guards and wing simply won't pass the ball.
Zeller and Vonleh end up having to clen up the mess after the guards and wings have no more choice but to throw a prayer in the air. Hairston has no choice but to shoot everytime he gets the ball, because if he passes the ball, he will never get it back. This summer league roster from the Hornets is the worst I've seen of all summer league rosters in the past 3-5 years.
What Cody said is exactly spot on...there are five guys on the court playing 1-on-1, in every single possesion. Who ever gets the ball starts running in circles like crazy until they can jack a shot. The NCAA game is very disorganized, but this Hornets summer league roster is well beyond that in the worst way possible.
Last year Bobcats summer league roster was Kemba, Taylor, MKG, Zeller and Biz. All but one player had at least one season of NBA basketball. It was beautiful to see those guys play. They were killing and dominating almost every game. Taylor and Zeller looked great. Also, Clifford was extremely more involved in the coaching. That is the key difference from this year.
Posted by: RobC | Jul 15, 2014 10:01:25 AM
hahahahaha you don't want to see my gmat scores. people cry.
you're referring to the level that the people i'm referring to are on. "know your audience"
and i don't care if zeller did throw guys under the bus. what he said was true. these guys are garbage. the teams they have been playing have been loaded with nba talent and guys that have played together.
sac rolled out a starting 5 of mccallum, mclemore, stauskus, acy, williams. new york had larkin, hardaway, tyler, shannon brown off the bench, aldrich injured, antetokounmpo's older brother, etc.
golden state was the weakest we saw and they had orlando johnson, kuzmic who they hid on the roster by misspelling his name, nedovic (1st round pick last year - hasn't come over yet), mcadoo who should have been a 1st round pick regardless of what he can't do, jrue holiday's brother, festus ezili injured, + 2 SOLID undrafted guys (in addition to mcadoo) in craft and bader.
we have NOBODY beyond our 3 guys and zeller has only played a game. to give it some context.........troy daniels just signed a 2 year deal with the rockets and he looked like the weak link on last year's team.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 11:01:50 AM
Rob c is correct . It's basically one on one or one screen , pass and a shot . But that's Clifford's offense . Clifford is a defensive genius . We know that . But he's better than this or what we see creatity wise on the offensive end . I would not care what the score is . I would make them run the pick n roll w all it's variations no matter what . I would then say no shit until it's moved crisply 4 times including an interior pass . After that's done for 10 sets , I would have the pt gd get inside and dish by kick out at all costs . Draw two and kick out . The guy who's guy doubles has to move in place to get ready for a pass . The Hornets don't do this bc they know Kemba gets inside and takes two defenders . The Hornets do not cut hard bc Jefferson rarely hands it off or hits a cutter even if wide open . Try missing a cutter w the Spurs . Better yet , try not cutting hard w the Spurs or Bulls . If you don't , you're sitting . You do need a pt gd who can run basic sets . You guys are correct about that as it makes it easier . But the Lakers never had one w Kobe in Fischer or the Heat in Chalmers but both moved the ball and screened which Kembas overdribbling ass won't do . So if Kemba doesn't facilitate , why should they have a pt gd in summer league to do it ? Face it . The Hornets don't care . They don't care that they have no big to big interior passing or even a league average Facilitting in the lane pt gd . You can't win wo either one . The Hornets have neither one . But the number one pick is a tru blu pass first , big strong pt gd . He's compared to John Wall . Cho must get Bledsoe who must be on the block or Dragic or this pick at all costs . Kemba and some assets and cash . Cho can't blow it again .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 15, 2014 11:10:34 AM
Charlotean . I won't get into a pissing contest w you . I highly regard your comments outside of Morrison whom the league has spoken on . It matters not if you think I'm not smart , by reason that what you believe ,won't change my posts . I can equally state that some of us have gone well beyond taking the SAT. We are retired , enjoying complaint about the holes in the Hornets front office and team . Lol.
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 15, 2014 11:18:25 AM
genius? he just implemented van gundy's defense. you guys get way ahead of yourselves anointing clifford of that kind of status.
6th in the league with jefferson at center is an incredible feat, but it's also skewed by his low turnover-stagnant offense. it's like john fox football without john fox's excellent situational strategy.
dude is far from a genius. he's the same guy that went on a jeff adrien binge after some misleading small sample size stats were put in front of him. GENIUS!
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 11:21:26 AM
"hahahahaha you don't want to see my gmat scores. people cry."
That low? Which school did they get you into?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2014 11:22:31 AM
so low that i almost didn't get into everywhere.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 11:42:38 AM
doing things after, does not signify going above and beyond the SAT. the point is an aptitude test. i said IQ at the same time. SAT is more common these days.
somewhere in this world, people stopped recognizing their own limits and forgot where they actually stand among their peers. and facts became irrelevant. opinions are welcome, but opinions won't be accepted when they are based off of beliefs and not evidence that is relevant.
the league didn't speak on morrison. we spoke on morrison and the stigma stuck. there is a huge difference. had we been a huge media market, the truth would have come out. and dare i say if he hadn't been white or american he would have gotten more opportunities.
12ppg as a rookie on a bad team is not evidence of a bust. that's evidence of a rookie. a whopping total of 3 rookies last year and 4 the year before did more. and not much more. kemba throws up the same numbers but he's lining up for an extension.
these aren't my opinions. you can't argue against facts.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 11:53:38 AM
Holy smoke… SAT scores????? What the eff are you pansies talking about on here???
Posted by: the Dude | Jul 15, 2014 12:26:27 PM
"so low that i almost didn't get into everywhere."
So which school did you attend?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2014 12:30:28 PM
Holy smoke… SAT scores????? What the eff are you pansies talking about on here???
Posted by: the Dude
from what I can tell, there is your typical msg board troll (charlotte teen) in here that naturally knows more than the head coach and organization.
here we have a blog about the new Hornets PG and he's quickly morphed it in to a discussion about how smart and gifted he is at God knows what, and how Adam Morrison is basically Andy Duphrain from shawshank redemption and he just needs another chance.
Posted by: Rodriguez | Jul 15, 2014 1:35:04 PM
yeah.... dude definitely got shawshanked.
and prize goes to rodriguez for being the 1,000th person of the day to misuse the word "troll" on the internet.
simple as this....anybody calling guys as young as MKG and vonleh and zeller busts before they even get going in their careers have questionable intelligence. anybody that blames this franchise's draft picks over their player development, the same can be said. and again......this is the town where people booed boris diaw (?), booed cody zeller before he played a game (?), and talk negatively about jake delhomme as if he wasn't the man for 6 years before having a horrible playoff game and his elbow giving out. we have dumb sports fans here and they are too effing loud for everybody else to have a conversation.
get mad all you want, but you say dumb ish - it's going to get questioned. people act like saying dumb ish is acceptable because it's on the internet. you guys acting like you're too cool for aptitude tests just told us how it is for you. so it's ok to keep saying dumb ish all the time? no.
you guys really want to talk some more about brian roberts? sure. just keep it FACTUAL.
Posted by: charlottean | Jul 15, 2014 3:41:17 PM
I'm not a smart person per Charlotean . But that's ok by me . I just want justice here . Are you willing to make a pass to an open player w a better shot ? Are you able to sacrifice a shot to get a teammate in Rhytm ? Are you willing to move the ball to weaken the defense ? Will you create a shot for a teammate even tho you can score ? Wil you refuse to not OVERDRIBBLE so the ball doesn't stick in your hands ? Will you play defense and not worry about getting your average to the detriment of the team ? If so , you're a Spur . If not , you're probably one of the stars on the Charlotte Hornets .
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 15, 2014 5:20:03 PM
"just keep it FACTUAL."
Since you brought up SAT's an GMAT's and yadda yadda yadda....
.....which grad school did you attend?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 15, 2014 7:08:41 PM
Vonleh and Zeller are not ready . You must be heavier and stronger to play pf . If it weren't for the piss poor defense of Jefferson , I'd say pair him w Boozer . Cho better make a move . Who was the superstar Mj was talking about ? ..
Posted by: Iron man | Jul 15, 2014 7:37:47 PM
There are 3 people with way too much time on their hands here. Can I recommend volunteering? Rewarding. Maybe a men's shelter. There are guys to talk hoops with all day that can use your help. Forget about money. Your time would be appreciated more.
Posted by: James | Jul 15, 2014 7:42:54 PM
On the Gordon signing; Everyone knew the Jazz would match although they hoped no one would offer more than the 12 million being offered. Gordon needed an accomplice to get the Jazz to meet his terms and Jordan needed to show that he was willing to lay down hard cash to improve.
So, the Jazz overpay and Jordan looks like a spender although he really was going to pick up Carolina Marvin all along.
If true to my speculation, very good game sirs.
Posted by: Altheus | Jul 15, 2014 10:47:04 PM
"....Jordan needed to show that he was willing to lay down hard cash to improve."
So Air Minny was bluffing on his "willingness to lay down hard cash"...good point.
They call him Air Minimum for a reason!
Hey, did you all see how much money the Boobs lost last season? OMG!
Posted by: PJ Hairston | Jul 15, 2014 11:28:20 PM
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