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July 21, 2014

Marvin Williams' improved 3-point shooting was attractive to Hornets coach Steve Clifford

Charlotte Hornets coach Steve Clifford says Marvin Williams’ improved shooting range was a big selling point in signing him.

            The Hornets made Williams’ acquisition official Monday with a late-afternoon news conference. He’ll make $7 million each of the next two seasons.

            While the 6-foot-9 Williams can play either forward spot, Clifford plans to use him primarily at power forward. The Hornets lost starter Josh McRoberts to the Miami Heat, so they need a replacement starter at power forward.

Williams made a career-high 84 3-pointers last season, shooting 36 percent from the arc. Clifford wants his power forwards to have 3-point range to help create spacing around center Al Jefferson.

Williams and Jefferson played together two seasons ago in Utah. Williams is excited about the prospect of playing together again.

“Al is such a dominant presence in the post,” Williams said. “I don’t know if any one center can guard him.”

            Williams was selected by the Atlanta Hawks second overall in the 2005 draft, following a single season at North Carolina. He spent his first seven NBA seasons in Atlanta before playing the last two in Salt Lake City.

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Some pretty interesting points in this article: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/07/19/5054288/should-be-some-good-battles-for.html

Looks like Big Al and Shorty are the only locks to start...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 5:46:13 PM

And then there's this...

...here we go!

http://terezowens.com/lance-stephenson-celebrating-new-contract-in-strip-club/

Looney Lance in full Hornets regalia posing with strippers...

...he's barely out of the gate but already a full fledged Boob!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 5:48:21 PM

Obviously Bird wanted to keep him. So that bull shit arguement can end. The Hornets stole this player. This is the most exciting thing to happen to a sports team in this town in a long long time. He will be even better offensively playing with Big Al and Kemba. Boom

"It's just disappointing,'' Bird said. "When I'd go to practices, when he was on, he was by far our best player. And he worked. If you work as hard as he does, you're going to get better. I'm going to miss the kid, no question. And he's growing up. That stuff he pulled in the playoffs, that was out of the blue. But I knew how good Lance was and the value he brought to our team.''

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 21, 2014 5:58:23 PM

Solid pick up. Marvin is known as a great locker room guy. Another to add into group. Being a UNC guy should be helpful with PJ. Underrated signing for the Hornets. Liking this roster a lot. They are going to roll put a very athletic group around the big guy.

Posted by: TJ | Jul 21, 2014 6:12:39 PM

And then there is this. Signing is looking better and better all the time....

"This isn't a matter of Indy thinking Stephenson isn't worth the money he got; Bird's comments about "the value [Stephenson] brought to our team" make that much clear. It's a matter of previous decisions rendering the Pacers unable to match Stephenson's rate without making other concessions, the Pacers being unwilling to make those concessions, and Stephenson choosing a deal that offered more money up front and more freedom down the line — plus a starring role on a team that now may well be just as competitive in the East as Indiana over the next few years — over taking a "hometown discount" on the first big-money contract of his career. It's a pretty reasonable decision once you get past that first-blush head-scratching. It's understandable that Bird finds the outcome "disappointing," but he and the rest of the Pacers front office really don't have anyone to blame but themselves."

Posted by: Baller | Jul 21, 2014 6:29:16 PM

Douchestar gets his info from Terez Owens? Now that makes sense. Douchestar and Iron Girl surfing Terez Owens together each night. Now there is a sight to behold! Not that there is anything wrong with that. To each his own. Have fun ladies.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 21, 2014 6:34:24 PM

"Obviously Bird wanted to keep him. So that bull shit arguement can end."

Mike T., serious question, why didn't Bird offer Lance a deal that would have kept him with the Pacers?

Hornet Matt, knew you couldn't "stick with basketball", like you promised. Click that link, it's all pictures, your specialty.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 7:21:58 PM

It sure doesn't look like it was for a lack of trying. Sounds like when they came is low they lost their window even though they tried a shorter term deal like the Hornets. It has been reported they could not go any higher without going into the luxury tax. Don't know what else to tell you. They obviously tried and offered a 5 year guaranteed deal. You don't do that for players you don't like or have concerns about. Good for the Hornets.

"According to Bird, Stephenson and his agent didn't take the Pacers' original offer that averaged out at $8.8 million per year because they were after salaries of $12-14 million annually. Stephenson's camp eventually settled on the Hornets' offer at $9 million per year and the idea that he'll hit free agency once again to make even more money. It gets even more confusing when Bird tells the Star that Indiana was willing to sign Stephenson to a shorter-term deal."

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 21, 2014 7:58:27 PM

Clifford is trying to put guys that can spread the floor around Jefferson just like they did Howard under Svg . This does not look good for Mkg . Even if they start him , they probably promise Henderson bigger minutes and to finish games . He also said he will find a way to increase Hendersons USEAGE to benefit him better this yr . The Spurs spread but these same guys also took you off the dribble . DIAW , Loenard , Ginobli , Parker . The Hornets can do the same w Kemba , Lance , Henderson ánd Williams . Clifford found a way for Mkg to sit behind Taylor , then Neal , then Cdr . He will do the same w Henderson who's way better than all three . Lance will defend the sfs . I still want to see Lance at pt gd facilitating . This coukd FINNALLY be what we prayed for . It will shore up a ton of things in one move . A ton .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 21, 2014 8:45:56 PM

Lance didnt want to play w those guys . He knew Hibbert was a bum , got into fights w him and Hill was a bum too . They were going nowhere . It was draining on he and the others in that huge slump . He had a way out . They had no bench either . Here he could shine w stronger horses at center and pt gd and a much deeper team overall . Mj probably sold him on some outside deal as he should or could do . Having Mj believing in your game is tops . Hornet Mess . It didnt take even a day before you failed to stick to bb . I thought we were past this you clown . Stick to bb . No one has time to get into the other off the wall stuff . It's worthless . You continue bc you know nothing but want to shine . Go read a book on the fundamentals and come back . Guys here want to debate unfettered by the bs .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 21, 2014 8:59:36 PM

nastar you know the answer. but i'll play along....

they COULDN'T offer any more and stay below the tax line. they offered exactly what they were able to offer and stay under the tax. the only way the could have done more is if they had signed someone to a minimum deal instead of c.j. miles getting a whopping 4 million. they thought they were going to double up and get miles AND stephenson and they got stuckey instead. stuckey for the minimum on a team that's already established isn't an end of the world situation compared to stephenson at 9 a year.

but when they look back in a few years, they're going to hate they didn't pay the tax for a year. or rode it out until the deadline and made some cost saving moves to get under it.


but they didn't offer more because they couldn't. not and replace turner/granger reasonably also.

and while i don't think it's necessarily feasible.....love still hasn't been traded. i would stay making offers until the bitter end.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 21, 2014 9:33:20 PM

Interesting stuff, thanks.

"It gets even more confusing when Bird tells the Star that Indiana was willing to sign Stephenson to a shorter-term deal."

Almost sounds like there was some sort of dissatisfaction with the Pacer organization on Lance's part.

Given Lance's volatile personal history, the general injury risks that all professional athletes face, and the clear personal commitment an often unstable Lance had from Larry Legend...

...were I Lance's agent I'd have advised him to take the $44 million guaranteed vs. rolling the dice on a shorter term deal.

Looney Lance hasn't even suited up for the Boobs and he's already embarrassing the organization and our nice little town by getting photographedwith strippers while in full Hornet regalia...this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 9:57:31 PM

What? Did Iron Girl just insult me? But I thought he was above all that? Just ignore me troll. You and Douchestar have a nice little thing going. Hate to think how far that love fest extends. Ewww. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Don't worry about me or you will be late for your rendezvous with Douchestar. We all know how funny you think he is. Have fun girls.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 21, 2014 9:58:33 PM

^^^^Wow...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 21, 2014 10:21:49 PM

^^^I know that's exactly what I thought. Wow! You girls are a little cozy on here. Not that there is anything wrong with that. You just keep doing your thing. Don't let people bring you down. Iron Girl thinks you are funny. How nice is that?

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 21, 2014 11:06:38 PM

When a guy is 24 years old and a budding star.....risking 18 against 44 is a big risk, but he's putting up that 26 million dollar bet that he's going to be a max guy at the end of 3 years with 27 of the 44 already banked. if that's the case, he'll make more in 4 years than he would have in 5, and have potentially 4 more years left on a massive contract at age 27/28. so it really isn't a bad situation to be in for the guy.

it's not like he took 5 million a year. he took more per year, just less years. he's banking on his health and i'm sure he has insurance policies in place to guard against anything career ending.


it was said that his agent secured a 90 million dollar chinese contract to safeguard in case the gamble got ugly. i would say deals like that will probably be available for lance in 3 years the same way they were for marbury late in his 30s.

i think he just saw bird trying to low ball him (he was) and didn't care if that turned out to be the biggest total offer he got or not. it's not like dude doesn't understand 44 is more than 18. he made 1 last year. he got a huge raise and is acting like he was slighted which is exactly where we want him. chip on the shoulder. he and kemba are going to be exciting. whether it works or not, it's going to be an incredibly exciting year.

it ain't all about the money©wyclef.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 21, 2014 11:18:39 PM

Planning on all these guys hitting 3's every night is a recipe for disaster. Missed shots in the NBA equals 20 point runs by your opponents.

Posted by: willy loman | Jul 22, 2014 12:19:34 AM

Planning on these guys to hit threes every game is for sure a recipe for disaster . It's said that when covered , your shooting per centage goes down 20%. Look at how long it took the best shooters in the league or close to come alive deep in the playoffs . ( Battier , Allen and Miller 2 , yrs ago ) look at the collapse of Danny green that same yr . That's why Pop added dribble driving and arc shooting to the offense and games of these shooters ( Loenard , DIAW, Ginobli , and Parker . Mills ,some ) except Mills , these guys play defense too , not just shoot . Bad shooters rarely become good shooters . They improve but not that much . Mkg is a bit different bc his hitch caused his poor shooting , so we think . He will have to improve big to stay on the floor . Lance looks like he may be able to replace a goodly portion of his defensive prowess so that he may not be missed as much ESP since you have Williams and Taylor . He has to step it up from the field and behind the arc .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 22, 2014 3:28:25 AM

Strip joints? If you are worried about that, NFL and NBA rosters would be empty. Douchestar does more embarrassing things with with Iron Girl every night. Glass house Douchestar. Glass House. What time does your little car pool leave? These two are such a great couple!

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 22, 2014 6:34:40 AM

Picking up Marvin Williams and Lance Stephenson is a much better deal that paying Gordon Hayward almost 16 million dollars for 4 years. Utah saved the Hornets from themsleves on that deal.

Posted by: Jon | Jul 22, 2014 8:59:05 AM

"it was said that his agent secured a 90 million dollar chinese contract to safeguard in case the gamble got ugly."

I'd like to read about that information, can you provide a link?

"it ain't all about the money©wyclef."

Apparently with Lance it is...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 9:02:37 AM

Douchestar living up to his name! I am sure Iron Girl found that comment amusing. So insanely funny! Maybe the info you are looking for is on Terez Owens. LMAO.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 22, 2014 9:30:41 AM

Is it just me or is Hornet Matt being really mean and trying to hurt my feelings?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 9:34:22 AM

"Stephenson got bad advice from his agent and he took that bad advice."

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/kravitz/2014/07/20/kravitz-larry-bird-understand-lance-stephenson-bolted/12916949/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

Exactly...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 10:05:57 AM

NASTAR,

first of all that website you are citing is on eof the most unreliable "gossip" sources out there. Also, he was at VAULT, that is not a Strip Club, not even close. Go check it out, you may find some good use of ALL that FREE TIME you seem to have.

Posted by: Go Hornets! | Jul 22, 2014 10:31:38 AM

So, the Hornets have a ton of SG, and need a reliable third Center that "could" play some PF if necessary. Golden State have plenty of big men avaliable and are slightly over the luxury tax, which they are trying to avoid. Lets trade Gary Neal's expiring contract, for Marreese Speights, who has a Team Option after this season (aka expiring contract).

Golden state gets another shooter that can also play some PG and play along both Curry or Livingston, while getting below the luxury tax. The Hornets get a 26 years old big man, who can defend, rebound and score without demanding big minutes; while not compromising their future cap space.

Both players will play for up and coming playoffs teams.

Kemba/Roberts/Pargo
Lance/Henderson/Hairston
MKG/Taylor and Marion???
Williams/Zeller/Vonleh
Jefferson/Biyombo/Speights

Posted by: RobC | Jul 22, 2014 10:42:23 AM

GH, you can criticize the website all you like but those are PICTURES for which the content cannot be denied. And if you want to kid yourself about what's going on in those pictures and why all the money is on the floor, well, that's your prerogative...it's also a sure sign of a made slurper, pat yourself on the back.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 11:00:09 AM

your link simply says what everybody knows. but again....he's gambling on himself in a way that seems logical. if he isn't great over the next 2 years - his option still probably gets picked up. and he's still mid level money at worst after that in his prime. mid-level is almost 6 this year and is projected to be a few million more under the new tv deal. meaning....he could FALL to mid-level money and still make more over 5 years than 44 million, or he could RISE (or really just stay somewhat where he is but without the ear blowing, or with more ear blowing depending on how effective that turns out to be over long term field studies) to max level which over those last 2 years could be in the 20 million a year range. insurance covers major injuries.......


where is he REALLY losing? he's getting 2 to 3 fifths of the same deal with higher dollar figures up front (the indy deal had rising salaries starting lower than 8.8) and well positioned to get paid a lot more.

entering free agency again at 27 is better than entering at 29.

amazing how you aren't harping on lebron doing the same thing and then some. lebron had 5 year max on the table with no state income tax and he took 2 year max with the state tax.

you are running out of things to complain about.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 22, 2014 11:20:43 AM

It's douchestar. His super power is a complete and absolute lack of objectivity when it involves the Hornets or Michael Jordan. Legitimate information be damned. Can jump over rational well thought out posts in a single bound. Turns positives into negatives faster than a speeding bullet. Also the ability to make Iron Girl (his Lois Lane) laugh. The movie is going to awesome!

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 22, 2014 11:44:02 AM

clttn, where's the backup on the $90mm China deal?

"he's gambling on himself"

No doubt, but he's emotionally unstable and has bad representation, gamble won't pay off. His dummy agent thought Looney Lance was a $12-14mm/per guy this time around, not even close.

"you are running out of things to complain about."

You really don't get it do you? I'm not "complaining about", I'm "laughing at"...

...and if there's one thing I know for sure is Air Minny & Yes Co. will always be a stalwart laughingstock!!

Did you see how much money those morons lost last year?!? LOL...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 12:02:12 PM

can't find it. it came straight from his agent right after the 44mm offer. can't find it anywhere now. would have been from around the 2nd or 3rd.

if hayward got max money and parsons got max money and bledsoe is holding out for max money and then avery bradley gets 8 a year.....

i would say yeah stephenson is in the 12-14 million range. media hype killed his value. they made a huge deal out of nothing.


how much money he lost? you do realize that the "business" of the team is more like a hobby for him, right? and they still made money as a whole when you give them all of the arena revenues and arena sponsorship revenues not included in basketball operations numbers.

you aren't laughing at anybody. you're just struggling with the reality that we finally have a real basketball team that is starting to resemble something that could contend.

let it go dude. he finally grew up and started getting ish right. cho hasn't made a BAD move yet. Higgins is gone.

the only guys you can really complain about are 21 and under. which just means you are being impatient.


Posted by: charlottean | Jul 22, 2014 1:45:20 PM

"...can't find it. it came straight from his agent right after the 44mm offer."

Translation: Never happened.

"media hype killed his value."

Translation: Complete BS. Good NBA GM's aren't gonna let "media hype" affect their decisions. (unless totally desperate like the Boobs)

"You do realize that the "business" of the team is more like a hobby for him, right? and they still made money as a whole when you give them all of the arena revenues and arena sponsorship revenues not included in basketball operations numbers."

Translation: Complete BS. For billionaires like Cuban, Prokhorov, Arison, Dolan -- hobby. Air Minny has never paid a penny in luxury tax, he cant afford it. Prove part 2 of your assertion above.

"you're just struggling with the reality that we finally have a real basketball team that is starting to resemble something that could contend."

Translation: contend for what, 8th seed and 1st round sweep?

"Cho hasn't made a BAD move yet."

Translation: He's never made a move, at all. With Higgins departure he moved up to 5th on the totem pole. Cho is a minion, a pawn, has no autonomy whatsoever.

LOL....

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 5:31:40 PM

hahahaha because I can't find an obscure quote from his agent that i read weeks ago that means it didn't happen and I just made it up. like there aren't pages upon pages upon pages of commentary since then on the exact subject. i'm not spending the time scouring for it to back up a fraction of an argument. it's not even the most important part. point is....agent said something like "we can look around because i have a backup deal overseas______" when responding to what the hold up was after bird's offer and midnight recruiting.

"good nba gms" like bird? like kupchak? like donnie nelson? like andy ellisburg/pat riley? those kind of gms? they all made offers and pursued.

the mavs offered stephenson 10 a year pending the rockets matching parsons. the only reason the "good gms" didn't offer more for him is because they didn't have the room to offer more. bird offered the max he had available. same with riley. nelson chose parsons over him....which who could be mad at that? completely comparable players but parsons has better size and no stigma.


i don't know what to say about the rest.......look up what the nba defines as basketball operations. not every team owns/operates its arena. none of that is included. bobcats have master lease and operating rights. none of that was included so all of that goes on top.

clearly jordan has enough to wheel in the league. he hasn't been last in payroll any of the years since he bought the team. he's been paying 2 and 3 coaches the last several years plus tyrus thomas.

none of your "arguments" (can't really call them that) have any merit what so ever.

they were contending for an 8 seed prior to getting stephenson. now they're top 6 for sure, potentially top 4. and young. 5 guys 21 and under right now. one big move away from being legit contenders. do they make that move? probably not. do they absolutely have to now? not really. they're built well and built to last. even if jefferson walks next summer, they have a ridiculously stacked team, cap room + exceptions + 3 young bigs, 2 with some good experience.

I've been critic number 1 of the rod higgins era. i've been hesitant about cho because of how pragmatic he's been and his unwillingness to role the dice or make a ballsy move or pickup a reclamation project worth reclaiming. but he's done enough right and nothing wrong. it's a really good team and it plays in charlotte and that hasn't been said since the last year the hornets were here. and that team wasn't built to last because of mashburn being knee-less. and nobody besides davis being really young and solid.

time to give up the charade. it's over. MJ figured something out finally. and i'm not giving him credit for good decision making, i'm giving him credit for making less decisions. getting out of the way and letting the smart people do smart things.

something you need to learn from, clearly.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 22, 2014 9:57:03 PM

Either you or the agent made it up and since you can't support the assertion, combined with the fact if there ever was such an offer Lance would be off to China already -- survey says, you made it up!

A "master lease" and "operating rights" guarantee nothing, especially with Air Minny at the wheel!! Another completely unsupportable assertion.

Speaking of wheel, paying "2 or 3 coaches" is a joke. Got a retired guy from up at the lake, an AAU coach, and a current guy (that you despise) who is probably the lowest paid coach in the NBA, and they all don't add up to what a real coach gets paid!

Again, Cho is a pawn, a cog in the wheel...he has no autonomy -- when are you going to get this through your thick skull. Here's the way it works, direct quote from Air Minny's:

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“No one person makes any single decision,” Jordan said of the front office. “It’s them and me and Curtis. We collaborate in all parts of the process.”

Cho joined the then-Bobcats in June of 2011 after he was fired by the Portland Trail Blazers.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/06/13/4974771/charlotte-hornets-shakeup-rod.html#.U88kmmK9KSM#storylink=cpy

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What part of "no one person makes any single decision" do you not understand? Cho has to get permission to do anything. Do you think Cho really wanted to sign Punch Drunk Hairston?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 22, 2014 11:01:04 PM

what the eff are you talking about? do you not understand this.


and that "aau" coach has more head coaching experience than the one we have. and i don't despise clifford. he just isn't very smart. he runs smart (van gundy's) principals but he doesn't understand why they are so effective.

show me all of the small market coaches making boatloads more than the 2 a year that clifford is making. brian shaw is making the same amount. so is dave joerger. frank vogel. jeff hornacek.

almost every single guy making more was either hired away from another job or had significant experience going in. or do more than just coach. as much as everybody thinks steve kerr is overpaid, he was a long time nba player, was a pretty successful gm for the suns, and has been broadcasting in between (not bagging groceries).

jason kidd got a whopping 2.5 million. mike malone got 2.25.

the guys that get paid more are on their 2nd deal and beyond.

try some facts out for once. i pass on one rumoresque quote i read - you jump all on it - yet you continue to say some of the dumbest ish the internet has ever read.


you are just as bad as ironman when it comes to just making stuff up.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 8:50:28 AM

Blah, blah, blah...

...fact remains there ain't a coach in the league making less than Coach Cliff. Yeah, real bigshot "wheel" Air Minimum is, super. Getting him cheap was Minny & Yes Co's only concern when hiring Dunlap....hahaha.

Few interesting quotes I ran across:


Elsewhere, the Charlotte Bobcats really like Quin Snyder, who spent last season assisting CSKA Moscow. Snyder was viewed as a favorite last season, and sources say Bobcats GM Rich Cho wanted to hire him over the recently fired Mike Dunlap. ESPN.com
http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/mike_dunlap#sthash.moofPpYa.dpuf

(So Cho wanted Quinn but Air Minny forced Dunlap on him)

"Really, the three primary things we were looking for were player development, a teacher, and somebody to set the culture for this organization," Cho said. "If you look around the league, the best organizations have a certain culture and the first thing about the culture is to rely on hard work.

"The thing that really jumped out is that he's a big-time worker, the first guy in and the last guy out. He's just a crazy worker. That kind of stuff is infectious among the staff and the players, so that will set the culture for us. Mike's going to be very demanding. I know one thing, they're going to be in shape."

Bobcats owner Michael Jordan did not attend the news conference.

(All the culture/hard work talk and they throw towel after 1 season)

Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins said he and general manager Rich Cho met with players and Dunlap before approaching owner Michael Jordan and asking him to make a coaching change.

"The change was allowed," Higgins said.

"I just don't think he was a great fit," general manager Rich Cho said. "Probably best that we go in a different direction."

(Whoopsy! Higgins may be gone but since Air Minny still makes all final decisions anything can happen...hence Punch Drunk on the roster!)

Cho told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Monday night that "a strong emphasis in player development was extremely high on our priority list," in response to the Dunlap hire. Dunlap is known as a teacher of the game amid his peers in college and in the NBA.

(Guess that priority went out the window with the Coach Cliff hire!)


Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 9:40:22 AM

apparently it did. these are things i've been critical of over the last year. signing jefferson and clifford, not playing zeller and biz much, mkg less, all looked like moves in the wrong direction to me. against "the plan". they got bailed out by getting detroit's pick at its peak, but missed out on a shot at a wiggins/parker/randle/exum type talent.

but signing stephenson, drafting vonleh over mcdermott (who could have helped more immediately), not overpaying mcroberts by giving him a 4 year deal that he didn't deserve, etc. they made great moves this offseason.

everything you describe sounds like jordan struggling to trust the new guy, everything this summer seems like that trust is now there.

you keep changing what you are mad about, never satisfied, always erroneous, and refuse to admit when you are wrong. get over it. tyrus thomas got amnestied. they signed stephenson. they are sticking with their draft picks more than they used to. they replaced (upgraded?) mcroberts with marvin williams.

the only things to complain about right now are jefferson's defense and clifford's ability to read stats. everything else is SOLID at worst.

but you keep crying like jordan stole your candy bar.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 11:46:15 AM

You abandoned all your other positions except the wheel/coaching issue and now that I blew that apart you're changing the subject again?

Two questions:

1. Why do certain coaches get paid more than others?

2. Why do the Boobs always have the lowest paid coach in the league?

Laughing at brother, laughing at ; 0)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 12:43:23 PM

what are you reading? i didn't abandon a thing.

1 - market demands + experience/resume. that is a dumb effing question to ask: why poppovich would get more than clifford, or why big market teams are willing to spend more than small market teams. you say some of the least intelligent things imaginable and ignore reality.

2. larry brown was not the lowest paid coach in the league. and why would it be surprising that a rebuilding franchise can't draw the attention of a coach that commands a larger salary?


would you prefer to be the knicks paying derek fisher 5mm? i mean what the eff do you want? at some point you have to actually have an argument.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 2:38:49 PM

"...why big market teams are willing to spend more than small market teams. you say some of the least intelligent things imaginable and ignore reality."

You said the "business" was just a "hobby" and MJ "had plenty to wheel in the league" so...

...why would what some other "small market team" is spending on a coach have any effect on what the Boobs spend?

Put another way, if Air Minny is making all this money on the arena and the Boobs are rolling in the dough why doesn't he compete with the large market teams for the best coaches? Guys like Stevens, Van Gundy, even Phil Jackson....

...we get Silas & Son, Dunlap, Clifford (who I like, but was undeniably unproven and the cheapest alternative).

Are we interested in staying in some predefined box and sucking forever?

Or does Air Minny want think outside the box and get out the checkbook and compete for the very best talent in all areas of the franchise -- including the coaching position?

We'll find out soon because if Coach Cliff's agent is worth a darn he will get $5 million/per out of His Minimumness!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 23, 2014 4:35:27 PM

he'll get a raise if they keep getting better. even though his w/l record has everything to do with an improving roster compared to what dunlap had. dunlap was every bit the coach and a much smarter individual. he had a ridiculously young roster (the guys that actually played). if he had been given jefferson/mcroberts/zeller over thomas/diop/mullens......neal and tolliver and cdr over reggie williams, cory higgins, and hakim warrick/matt carroll i think he would have won a few more games, no?


upper echelon coaches don't go to rebuilding teams. they don't have to. you just keep one upping (or rather one downing) yourself with these comments.

and there are more successful teams who made a name for a no-name coach than there are teams who overpay a big name and see major results from it. vogel? brooks? del negro turned around a couple teams before being canned for bigger names. big names don't want to get del negroed.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 23, 2014 6:08:55 PM

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