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July 17, 2014

New Hornet Lance Stephenson makes a splash at ESPYs

Soon-to-be Charlotte Hornet Lance Stephenson had a featured role in a skit at the ESPYs Wednesday night, when host Drake had a little fun with Stephenson famously blowing in LeBron James’ ear during the playoffs.

ESPN came up with a “Lance Cam” graphic (think the “Kiss Cam” routine almost every NBA team does, where couples are urged to kiss during a timeout). First Drake blew in Stephenson’s ear, then Drake and Stephenson surrounded Indiana Pacers forward Paul George to blow in both his ears.

George was a good sport, considering Stephenson is leaving the Pacers for the Eastern Conference-rival Hornets.

See the video:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11225283&ex_cid=sportscenterTW

Posted by Observer Sports on July 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM | Permalink

Comments

Awesome, just the type of exposure the Boobs want. Lance and Drake up there, singing about "side pieces", blowing in ears...terrific.

http://deadspin.com/drank-serenades-side-pieces-with-brian-mcknight-takes-1606362567

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 1:13:54 PM

only you could see the negative in that. that ish was hilarious.

choir boys don't win championships, either.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 1:23:43 PM

Love it. Only player that is going to get the Hornets national exposure, and that is a good thing. Need some national TV games.

Posted by: RB Ron | Jul 17, 2014 1:25:25 PM

what was once an indiana vs. miami rivalry might be morphing into a miami vs. charlotte vs. indiana vs. cleveland four way rivalry.

stephenson vs. former team, stephenson vs. lebron, lebron vs. george, lebron vs. miami, indiana vs. miami, charlotte vs. miami.....

eastern conference is going to be iiiinteresting to say the least. insane to think we will actually be a part of it.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 17, 2014 1:48:53 PM

Great stuff making light of the ear blowing. It was never a big deal and a even less of one now. Indiana was ready to commit to the guy for 5 years. Not exactly a good plan if you think he is a bad guy. This is an amazing signing at a great price.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 17, 2014 2:12:59 PM

Allowing Drake to blow in Lances ear will not do anything to change the primary reasons the Hornets won't get to the first round or out of it . Jefferson attempts on average 19 shots a game . In losses , it's higher . He can take 40 shots as long as he passes out of double n triple teams , to an open teammate for an easy layup . The East is wide open . It's the least he can do since he blocks no shots , can't trap , can't protect the paint , can't protect the rim or play even league average on ball defense . We can win the East . Don't post this weird stuff . Print the truth . This is the core premise why they won't win . Everybody , even Mj , the staff , Bonnell act as tho this is not the problem . It is and it's huge . What you gunna do Jefferson ? Hayward knew it . He could have forced a trade like Love is doing if he wanted to be w Jefferson . He used Jefferson to get a contract and would never ever play w his ball hogging ass again . Deron Williams ran away from him as soon as he could . Ask him what he thinks of Jeffersons ball hogging and refusal to pass to open teamates . He's using Hornets . He will get 70 m next time around strangling some teams cap , not passing or playing a drop of defense . They will make money but it will be his 4 th stop w not one of the stops getting out the first round as usual .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 2:20:06 PM

"choir boys don't win championships, either."

False - who won the NBA title this year?

Posted by: Robert | Jul 17, 2014 2:37:22 PM

Iron Man - Jefferson's job is not protecting the rim or playing on ball defense. His job is to score and get rebounds, which he did a fantastic job of last year. Good enough to be 3rd team all NBA. Everyone has their role on an NBA team and Jefferson excelled at his last year and should do the same this year.

Posted by: RB Ron | Jul 17, 2014 3:51:59 PM

"that ish was hilarious."

You're easily amused.... At least you got that going for you, which is nice.

Grad school? You didn't go did you?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 4:20:36 PM

Big time move Cho. Big Al and Lance In back to back years. Absolutely huge. This team is deep and talented. Very excited for this season!

Posted by: Real | Jul 17, 2014 4:57:22 PM

Iron Man is seems like anytime you refer to Big Al it is negative why? I looked at I will admit only about 20 game stats from last season just now, and it was about 50/50 where Al took the most shots. There have been times where I have said he should have passed but that is all NBA players. You also refer to Williams the same one who made the coach choose to retire instead of coach him anymore, I don't think he is a good character witness. All the Hornets seem to love Al. We had a much better change of winning a game at least against Miami when he was able to play than we did when he went down. I am not trying to start a blog war just trying to understand the frustration with Al. Do you think we are a better team without him?

Posted by: David | Jul 17, 2014 5:19:12 PM

The team wo Jefferson would be per Charlotean w Biz at center or an average two way center , better . I'm not so sure . But I do know , there's no excuse not to only play offense .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 5:50:45 PM

"Do you think we are a better team without him?"

Def better with him.

Same can be said of McRoberts and CDR, we'd better with them. The slurpers are all jazzed up about how things look on paper (similar to Air Minny's paper billionaire status) w/o them but hoops is a team game and I telling you next season the Boobs will not win as many games as last season -- stepping backwards.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 6:03:39 PM

Couple typos in there, apologies...but I'm sure even the moron slurpers can figure it out ;)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 6:05:20 PM

So if the Hornets win more than 43 games next year NASTAR goes away? Only downside is one more season of his trolling. This team is better and has the right coach to manage these guys. Deep and talented. Even the summer league team is getting better. This first year as the hornets is shaping up as an exciting one.

Posted by: Real | Jul 17, 2014 6:14:37 PM

"So if the Hornets win more than 43 games next year NASTAR goes away?"

I'm up for a wager...if they don't win 43 what will you do?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 6:32:27 PM

...but seriously, if they don't win 44 or more next year it will have to be considered a failure, right?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 6:38:13 PM

I would be disappointed. But it is really more about seeding. 43 wins could be a 6 or 5 seed next year if the entire conference is better. They need to improve their seeding and win a series. You can argue the downside of the Lance signing, but for that money on a two year deal with a team option, well worth the risk. They were extremely fortunate to get a player that talented. They are not perfect, but they have a better roster than last year. and with all those wing players, they might have another move in them.

Posted by: Real | Jul 17, 2014 6:56:43 PM

"They need to improve their seeding and win a series."

Part two of that sentence is the key.

If they win a series I will go away for a month.

If they don't win a series, every day for a month you must post "NASTAR is taller, better looking, and way way smarter than me...I apologize for ever questioning him, it was very dumb of me."

Deal?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 7:04:55 PM

Well Vonleh really sucked it up again today. Dude is a mini-2013 Zeller. Not that 2014 Zeller is much better, but that's how freaking terrible Vonleh is. He's basically a shorter Jackie Manuel. And should've stayed at joke of a program Indiana for at least 2 more yrs.

But hey, Rich Cho had to take him over the much more needed and better McDermott bc Vonleh was the highest player left on the Bilas Big Board.

Cho must go! Cho must go!

Posted by: Fred | Jul 17, 2014 8:40:19 PM

*taller Jackie. Either way, not good!

Posted by: Fred | Jul 17, 2014 8:41:04 PM

Nastars has to be the funniest guy on the Internet of all time !!! You can't get stuff this good at a comedy show . No one argues the Hornets are better wo Jefferson . Except Charlotean . But he answers w a center who plays both ends together w a pf in Milsap . I free 100% . W just Biz at center , the rest of the players get ignighted , play better bc of ball n man movement and the defense is better . So it's hard to say . The point is hiw much better we'd be if Jefferson plays defense or tries to put his hands up or picks up a roller off the pick n roll . Think the 60 King James put on Mkg doing the same play over n over where Jefferson looked when the switch came .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 9:05:06 PM

I want someone , anyone to take me up on the same bet . I will up the ante . If they get out the first round ,I will never post again . If you lose , you must never post again . You must post as well that ironman is the most brilliant poster of all time and we all bow down to his preachings . Lmfao .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 17, 2014 10:21:24 PM

Iron man.....the problem with this bet is these slurpers are all so incredibly stupid, and so lemming like, and so homogenous, that one of them could agree to the bet and upon losing refuse to honor said bet and start posting under a new name the next day and we'd never know the difference.

They're really like little preprogrammed non-seeing non-thinking drones....Air Minny has gotta love 'em as his whole business plan is predicated on the, problem is there just aren't enough of them in the Boobsylum to keep the charade afloat -- as evidenced by the absolute bottom of the barrel financial performance posted by Air Min, Yes Co. & Cho in the most recent season. Worst in the NBA, again....you just can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 17, 2014 11:19:24 PM

Sure. The Hornets are just killing MJs net worth. I guess when a story doesn't support your argument it is not valid. When it does, cut and paste. Standard troll behavior. Sounds like fun. I wonder if Iron Man and NASTAR post together. Sorry for the visual. Lmao.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 18, 2014 7:19:31 AM

Do they call you that at work, "Hornet Matt"? Lmao.

The ultimate form of Slurperism..."hi my name is Hornet **insert name**, and I'm a complete Boob"....!!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 18, 2014 7:41:24 AM

Hornets must replace Kiss Cam with Lance Cam at games this season!

Posted by: RKR | Jul 18, 2014 9:27:41 AM

Right. A guy called NASTAR calling me out. Awesome name. I guess that's what they call you at work then they can get to you between posts? Look all these between Iron Girl and Asstar. Pecking away together. That is so cute! LMAO

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 18, 2014 9:41:13 AM

You all crack me up.

Yes 45 wins or less is a failure and above is a winner unless we seed 8th or don't make playoffs (in east likely impossible)

Back on point I really am excited about Lance as he brings excitement and bad boy offset if it all gels. Willing to wait and see.

This could be a fun playoff team for several years. Considering small market team we appear to be headed towards relevance and fun games for several years to come.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Jul 18, 2014 10:30:16 AM

Hornet Matt, ever seen snow? (in person that is, not pictures...I know you're real big on the pictures)

"Hi, I'm Hornet Matt...." LOL

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 18, 2014 10:40:37 AM

It's gonna take some time for Clifford to get the team to gel and to get his rotations down, so I wouldn't be surprised if we are slow out of the gate. But once things start clicking a 50+ win season wouldn't surprise me. Our bench is deep at all positions except center but I expect that to be addressed before training camp. Can't wait for the season to start.

Posted by: apauldds | Jul 18, 2014 10:44:29 AM

"I guess that's what they call you at work then they can get to you between posts? Look all these between Iron Girl and Asstar. Pecking away together."

What the heck is all that mess? Slow down, deep breath, don't post when you're really angry ;)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 18, 2014 10:47:36 AM

"It's gonna take some time for Clifford to get the team to gel and to get his rotations down..."

This will be interesting to watch. Obviously Big Al will get all the minutes he can handle, Shorty probably will as well....but what about the rest of the players? On average how many minutes do you expect Marvin, Zeller Dweller, Biz, Punch Drunk, Looney Lance and Vonleh will get?

"...a 50+ win season wouldn't surprise me."

You're insane.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 18, 2014 10:56:52 AM

Not surprised I would need to break down something so simple. I don't get angry at trolls. Just like to point them out. Of course the 20 posts between you and Iron Girl on one blog probably clears it up for most people.

You better get back to work! Oops. I forgot. This appears to be it for you. Has to be fun sharing a keyboard with Iron Girl. So precious the two of you snuggling up together over the glow of the computer.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 18, 2014 11:39:46 AM

I will take that bet! Has to be a year. Better record, better seed or winning a first round playoff series and NASTAR and Iron Man go away for 1 year. I will in return start my posts as you describe. My posts are a little more infrequent, but I will increase if necessary to satisfy the bet.

If you take the bet I will already be apologizing because I thought there was no chance.

Posted by: Real | Jul 18, 2014 12:30:51 PM

I hate to admit it but I did laugh at "ever seen snow?"

Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 18, 2014 1:54:56 PM

"snuggling up together over the glow of the computer." Classic. Disturbing, but classic. Ha!

Posted by: John | Jul 18, 2014 2:51:12 PM

easily amused? try i have a sense of humor. if you didn't laugh at lance cam and honorable mention.....you can't enjoy the simple things.

and yeah i went to grad school. check the forbes top 20 listings and know it was one of them, not going to say which one.

you? how about the real reason you hate jordan so obsessively?

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 18, 2014 3:36:12 PM

Hornet mess .. I said this before . The guys w the jokes rarely contribute bc they have no appreciation for bb fundamentals . You're no exception . Some of us don't have jobs , we have companies .. How about you ? And been past grad school too , if it matters .

Real . You're on . But the bet is simply they don't get out the first round . W Jefferson , it's a sure bet they don't . In fact , I will bet as long as he's the starting center and Kemba is the starting point gd . Kemba averaged 6 assists a game . But 4 turnovers . He's lucky Chalmers was a pig and they didnt need him . Bc of his size and poor ct vision , nothing will change . Then if a real pt gd shows up on the other team , we will see how bad his defense really is and opposing pt gd penetrtration in the lane . Bet on .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 18, 2014 4:50:53 PM

Iron Man owns a company? Now there is a bet I will take. His weekend Hot Dog Cart doesn't count. That is hilarious.

Posted by: Hank | Jul 18, 2014 4:59:31 PM

jesus where do you get this stuff from? kemba averaged 2.3 turns last year. nowhere near 4. 2.2 for his career.

try out facts. they are awesome because they are real.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 18, 2014 5:42:02 PM

Kemba averaged 6 assists and 4 turnovers in the playoffs . Where it counts . I would wager that the assists at the rim average in the playoffs was less than two . But whatever . At pt gd , he sucked . He got no one involved but himself . The pt gds that only get themselves involved in the playoffs sit home .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 18, 2014 6:40:32 PM

"Better record, better seed or winning a first round playoff series and NASTAR and Iron Man go away for 1 year."

Iron man, see what I mean?

The bet was "win/lose a playoff series = 1 month" and somehow this moronic slurper drone has leaped to "better record/better seed/win 1 round = 1 year" AND he's throwing in caveats about how often he posts.

Slurper drones.....they never cease to amaze.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 18, 2014 7:35:48 PM

The Lakers, who can only compete now for the title of "worst managed team in the NBA" since the walking disaster named Jim Buss took over that franchise, waived Kendall Marshall.
Waive Kendall, sign Boozer (with all the PFs they already have)! You don't get much stupider than that.

Kendall's talent as a playmaker is beyond any doubt, and will never be matched by our Kemba. I stand by all the positive comments I made on Kemba: but, a playmaker of that caliber he can't be. Also, Kendall's long range shooting ability has always been underrated. And, he's 6'4"...

I would jump on the opportunity to get him, and let Brian Roberts be the third string PG.
Their free agency moves this off-season tell me that our FO won't see the great opportunity here, and will let another team take advantage of Jim Buss's boundless stupidity.

Posted by: Sandy | Jul 18, 2014 9:59:15 PM

Agreed . Marshall is taller and can run the pick n roll . He should be the back up . Period . The Lakers have the biggest problem w fielding a team to have at least a half ass product so they can get anything they want for the ridiculous ticket prices . That's why big name guys are there like Nash who's a bum and Kobe who's strangling the cap and not worth it production wise but worth every dollar selling tickets .
Clifford says he doesn't even know who's going to start . I told you he's messing w Mkg already . He knows a unit w Henderson and Lance will outperform a lance and Mkg unit . Lance is 230 . He can play all the sfs inc James and Melo the bigger ones . Whomever comes off the bench either Mkg ,Henderson or Lance , it will shore up the pitiful showing by the bench mob who constantly lost leads . Lance bc of his speed n quickness will ultimately pair w Henderson bc they're both scoring at a higher clip and defending too . The guy who will benefit the most outside of Jefferson is Henderson who finally has a guy to hit he n Mkg off cuts , back doors and dimes on the break . Lance moves w the ball unlike McRoberts who stood in position at the top and wasn't able to make all the potential passes off cuts bc Lance is closer in and n the move giving him delicious angles to hit guys . Think how he set Paul George up .
Nastars ... The guys here know what's up . They know the East has gotten way better and we still have two high USEAGE guys who don't pass or play defense . These guys should stop talking about who has what bc it's not imp , won't change the game and most will lose out on what they have , where they've been and for sure what they've done .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 18, 2014 10:30:34 PM

"So if the Hornets win more than 43 games next year NASTAR goes away?"

"I'm up for a wager...if they don't win 43 what will you do?"

^^^the bet was win or lose a playoff series? Contradicting yourself in the same thread NASTAR is tough, but you did it.

Posted by: Real | Jul 19, 2014 8:07:46 AM

This stuff is ridiculous. I cannot wait to see this guy on the court in a Hornets uniform. 23 years old. He and MKG are going to terrorize teams. And people are talking about him blowing in someone's ear. Thank god or he would have never been available....

"As far as consolation prizes go, Stephenson is something of a Powerball jackpot. He brings Plan A production at a Plan C price.On the floor, he could thrive in any situation. He has the stat sheet of a jack-of-all-trades—only he, Kevin Durant, Kevin Love and Nicolas Batum averaged at least 13 points, seven boards and four assists per game last season—yet he may have mastered several of them.

He's an elite rebounder for his size (6'5") and position (shooting guard).

His 11.4 rebounding percentage last season was the best among guards by a considerable margin. The gap between him and the second player on that list (Michael Carter-Williams, 9.8) was as big as the one separating the No. 2 and No. 9 spots (Alonzo Gee, 8.2).

Over the last 10 seasons, only current Milwaukee Bucks coach Jason Kidd has had a higher single-season rebounding percentage of all players 6'5" or shorter (minimum 60 games played).

With a combination of speed, strength, New York City toughness and a disruptive 6'10.5" wingspan—Draft Express indicates that's long for a shooting guard—he has both the physical and mental tools to be a lockdown defender.

The stat sheet wouldn't disagree with that label.

Stephenson was one of only four players—along with Joakim Noah, Paul George and DeAndre Jordan—to play at least 2,700 minutes last season and have a defensive rating under 102 (101).

Noah was named Defensive Player of the Year, and George earned All-Defensive First-Team honors. Jordan was left off the All-Defensive Team rosters but did finish third in the DPOY voting.

Stephenson held opponents to just a 38.4 field-goal percentage, per Synergy Sports (subscription required). According to 82games.com, opposing shooting guards managed only an 11.0 player efficiency rating against him, which is well below the league-average mark of 15.0."

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 19, 2014 9:07:38 AM

"The Lakers, who can only compete now for the title of "worst managed team in the NBA" since the walking disaster named Jim Buss took over that franchise..."

True statement there, Air Minny does have competition but Buss will never be the W.O.A.T. because Minny has already wrapped it up ;) Thing Buss has that Minny doesn't is oodles and oodles and oodles of cash!

*I hate to admit it but I did laugh at "ever seen snow?"*

Truth is amazes me how serious the slurpers take this whole thing, and, that none have ever figured out the genesis of the name. Even with the snow hint I'm sure "Hornet Matt" (LOL) still hasn't...

"Hi, I'm Hornet Matt and I'm a Boob....wanna go to prom?"

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 9:59:47 AM

Stats .. Lol. Now for the truth .. There isn't one Pacer fan that didnt complain about Lance , at least 3 or 4 times a game , jumping into the space of a teammate to take the rebound that was definitely going to the teammate . His own coach stated he was stealing rebounds from teammates .There were times this conduct caused a turnover w he and a teammate fighting for the ball . This was to attempt to create triple doubles even to the detriment of causing problems amongst the other players . His rebounding was thus overrated . Other huge complaints were that he went ISO way too much and in an attempt to get in position , dribbled the ball over 15 secs off the shot clock !! This was the core reason why Hibbert said certain guys on the team were selfish . Equally , his assists per game was 4.6 and his turn over average a game was 2.7 ( or thereabouts , may be off slightly ) . This was due to making the slick pass attempts which Bird cautioned him about but he kept doing . Now , it's claimed that bc the Pacers didnt budge , there was a part of them that didnt want him back bc he stopped ball movement . He's not one to playoff the ball doing much if anything . I can understand that if his game is ISO to get off , so be it . But let's see how he reacts when the dump into Jefferson campaign causes him to stand around force feeding him like the others . He's not a catch n shoot guy which this team is trying to morph into surrounding such guys to compliment the ball hog Jefferson . ( 20 attempts on average a game , never passing ) .Lance wants to at all costs , get to the Allstar game . He's not going to willingly see his isos go down wo imploding . I wouldn't . Now you got 3 ball hogs but for sure , less ball movement . I will take all comers w the bet they don't get out the first round . Be the guy who sent big loud mouth hot dog stand Iron man packing . Lmfao ..

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 19, 2014 10:14:14 AM

"^^^the bet was win or lose a playoff series? Contradicting yourself in the same thread NASTAR is tough, but you did it."

Absolute nonsense, take a reading comprehension class you moronic drone.

I'm gonna break it down for you just this once, so pay attention slurper...

NASTAR said: "I'm up for a wager...if they don't win 43 what will you do?"

For us regular folks who understand the language, a statement like that constitutes a "negotiation" (get your dictionary out). ..."what will you do" is the key phrase. Now, for us to have a "bet" YOU would have had to have proposed to ME, mutually agreeable terms for your side of the wager (you did not do so, hence no wager).

Then REAL said: "They need to improve their seeding and win a series."

Then NASTAR said: "If they win a series I will go away for a month."

AND

"If they don't win a series, every day for a month you must post "NASTAR is taller, better looking, and way way smarter than me...I apologize for ever questioning him, it was very dumb of me."

Deal?"

YOU did not agree to this wager.

Then REAL proposed: "Better record, better seed or winning a first round playoff series and NASTAR and Iron Man go away for 1 year."

Neither NASCAR or Iron Man accepted this wager. Iron man did counter your offer with his own offer predicated on "winning/losing a playoff series"...

...YOU (a REAL slurper moron), did not accept.

So this is where the situation stands....I know that mush between your ears has a hard time understanding even the most simple of terms but here are your two options:

1. If Boobs win a playoff series Iron man will go away for 1 year. If Boobs do not win playoff series you must post "ironman is the most brilliant poster of all time and we all bow down to his preachings", and then NEVER post again.

2. If Boobs win a playoff series NASTAR will go away for a month. If Boobs do not win a playoff series every day for a month REAL must post "NASTAR is taller, better looking, and way way smarter than me...I apologize for ever questioning him, it was very dumb of me."

Do you want either bet? Gawd you're a moron...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 11:20:31 AM

""snuggling up together over the glow of the computer." Classic. Disturbing, but classic. Ha!"

You got that right, disturbing....and also a cry for help. Hornet Matt (LOL), it's ok, just be honest with yourself, you'll be happier.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 11:26:44 AM

"and yeah i went to grad school. check the forbes top 20 listings and know it was one of them, not going to say which one."

LOL...never happened.

"you? how about the real reason you hate jordan so obsessively?"

Asked and answered multiple times. Are you a drunk who can't remember?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 11:28:55 AM

^^^hey man. Nothing personal. Might want to consider getting some help. You are obviously obsessed with something. Print those posts and get with a professional to discuss. They can probably help you sort out your feelings. Good luck and you are welcome.

Posted by: Alan | Jul 19, 2014 12:33:07 PM

Time to get positive and focus on Lance's game. He's a triple double machine, and depending on how he's used, he could average a triple double for the season or be our go-to-scorer averaging 20-plus a game. Whatever we need from this guy to secure wins, that's what he'll provide. Born Ready is a good nickname for Lance, so is "The W."

Lance is all about Wins.

By the end of this contract, with Lebron slowly declining with age and Lance improving, Lance realistically could be the better of the two players (he's already surpassed Lebron for triple doubles). He's already the best shooting guard in the Eastern Conference, and for those bemoaning the loss of McRoberts, Lance averaged more assists than McRoberts while also averaging more points and rebounds and providing some of the league's best defense. Plus he helped carry the Pacers to the Eastern Conference Finals while McRoberts couldn't help us get over the hump of winning a single playoff game. I don't hear people talking about the McRoberts elbow to Lebron or Hayward's inability to lead the Jazz to a winning record (they lost twice as many games as they won).

Lance truly is a great ball player.

Let's get behind the greatest two way player on our Hornets, show him some positive energy, and watch how far the collective energy takes us. We're going deep this post season.

Now protect that hive.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 12:48:44 PM

Jeff . Do you have any idea what King James was doing around his 4 th yr in the league ? Or before that and closely beyond that time ? Lance is the best sg in the east ? He may not be the best one on the Hornets . I love the addition of Lance bc it will take the ball out of Kembas hands which is a wonderful wonderful thing . I want to see someone w good ct vision handle the ball in transition and advance it potentially hitting guys ahead of him for dunks and layups . I want someone to finally run the pick n roll and hit the roller for an easy basket . I want someone to handle the ball in half ct sets that can see over the defense and his defender and see cutters going back door , cutting from the weak side in the middle for a chip shot , flashing in the post for a dime in Rhytm or setting up for a lob . .. And finnaly , getting the ball to a teammate instead of a runt overdribbling w a grin on his face running the shot clock down waiting to jack it himself faking like he was looking for teammates . That's what I want and can't wait to see Lance in the mix . But come on w this even remote comparison to King James which he could never be . If you replace Lance w King James on the Pacers the last three yrs at any point in his career , they win all three yrs w ease . Get back to reality . You must be one of his friends. You can go on Rufus on Fire w that garbage or At the Hive but not here. Those guys are talking about the Hornets winning the East I'm sure by now . Next week or month it will be not one , not two , not three but 4 championships w Lance and the present team as it sits . Lmfao .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 19, 2014 2:24:59 PM

Will never be? James will age like every star before him, and eventually, every NBA starter five or more years younger than him will be better than James. Stop drinking the King Koolade. He's no Duncan and he won't be better than Lance when he's 35 and Lance is 28. I'm just betting the baton will be handed,off sooner,than that. James didn't even outplay Leonard those last three games. Fact. Watch the tape, review the stats, check the box score, and hail the MVP.

Lebron, like Bird and Jordan, is on his way to becoming legend. And part of that Legend making is to forget how Paul Pierce outplayed Lebron head-to-head when Pierce was still in his prime and Lebron couldn't win so much as a cheese pizza off the Celts.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 2:42:55 PM

Jeff. You can't reason with these guys. Someone pointed out professional help might he in order. Obsessive and delusional. The sheer number of posts would indicate some sort of disorder. This is obviously not the place for any reasonable discussion about the Hornets. They are obviously better. Lance is obviously talented, he was the second best player on the 2 time Eastern conference champions and they tried to sign him to a 5 year deal. Only 23. The Hornets have a much better locker room than the Pacers had last year. He is on a short term deal with a team option and out to prove himself. It really can't line up any better. Haters are going to hate. Not much you can do. Can't wait for the season. This team will shut up a lot of people. There isn't a wing in the league looking forward to playing Lance and MKG. Going to be awesome!

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 19, 2014 2:52:10 PM

Yes it's close. Iron Man or everyone else on the plant that loves this signing. People who just might have a little more insight. Maybe just a little.

2. Aside from LeBron James, what has been the best free agent signing in the Eastern Conference?

SHERIDAN: The Knicks keeping Carmelo Anthony was huge. No way Phil Jackson can build a contender in two years without him. The Heat getting Luol Deng for $10 million keeps them a lock to be a playoff team. The Wizards getting Kris Humphries is sneaky smart. But the best move made by any team was Charlotte getting Lance Stephenson. I have an affinity for guys who are fearless and crazy. That guy was the X-factor for Indiana for the past two years. Now he forms an all-New Yorker backcourt with the improving Kemba Walker. Don’t sleep on the Hornets.

BERNUCCA: The Hornets signing Lance Stephenson. I don’t put as much stock as others do in Stephenson’s perceived “issues.” Yes, he can appear distracted at times. How focused were you when you were 23? He is not Ron Artest with training wheels. But he was the free agent with the highest ceiling, and his $9.5 million team option in 2016-17 will seem like a bargain. Furthermore, he brings a competitive fire and the knowledge of two deep playoff runs to a team that needs a little gunpowder sprinkled on their pasta. Steve Clifford is going to love him.

SPRUNG: Lance Stephenson and Kyle Lowry earn the highest grades in my book, but the Washington Wizards were two wins away from the conference finals. A healthy Paul Pierce, signed for a measly $11 million over two years, brings experience, leadership, accountability and the other clichés thrown at veteran players with a championship background. If Pierce can teach John Wall and Bradley Beal how to mature and win, it will be well worth the investment.

Posted by: Bob | Jul 19, 2014 3:05:28 PM

This team is way more talented than last year after the draft picks and Lance Stephenson signing. 2nd year in Clifford's system where he only installed the basic defense and that brought the D to 4th in the NBA. I wouldn't be surprised if Gerald is on the trading block. Sidenote: I wish we could trade ASSTAR and Iron Girl though. They are super lame!

Posted by: Big J | Jul 19, 2014 3:52:20 PM

I agree with the way more talented assessment. Marvin Williams, under Clifford, is equal to McRoberts (who had a career best season because of our coach), Roberts is way better than Ridnour at this stage of their careers, Stephenson is a pure addition and the best two way player on our team, Hairston and Vonleh will contribute some this year, as will Taylor, and every rotation player, other than Jefferson, is likely to show improvement thanks to youth followed by playoff experience with a good chance even Jefferson has a more consistent season thanks to improved health and better offensive and defensive players around him.

While other teams have also gotten better, a top 4 seed is looking very much in our reach, and if you win that first round in the playoffs, unexpected things sometimes happen in round two.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 4:14:14 PM

Jeff. You mentioned so many other superstars in your reply matching them w King James performances against them . But not the one in question . Lance in his head to head averaged 10 points outside of the one outburst . Saying Lance or who ever at 28 will be better than King James at 35 is of no moment . If you were in the room w King James watching a game , or elsewhere playing bb , or on the golf course w him or even at the strip joint getting lap dances w him next to you doing the same , you know damn well you wouldn't say any of this . Have more respect for the King . Have more respect for yourself by not saying off the wall stuff like this . This is King James you're talking about . The 2 nd best player of all time . Kareem being the best . If King James peeked online and read your post , he would get 60 on Lance . He would tell him that it was Jeff who incited me . Lance would no longer let you borrow one of his 5 cars . Lol.

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 19, 2014 4:39:36 PM

^^^I mean really. This guy is a complete moron. What do you think he does every day? There literally may not be a dumber person on the face of the earth. How does he even survive? Pity of family member? Public assistance? Seriously. It is sad. Getting a charge out of posting on blog. Arguing anonymously with anonymous posters. How rewarding it must be.

Posted by: Bob | Jul 19, 2014 4:45:32 PM

And Tim Duncan is the best pf of all time . King James never had half the help or half the brilliant coach Duncan had . King James is in the top 5 best players of all time .. Kareem ,James , Wilt , Mj , and Bird . Duncan is maybe in the top ten .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 19, 2014 4:48:42 PM

^^^enjoy your government cheese tonight!

Posted by: Bob | Jul 19, 2014 5:27:56 PM

First, James is 2 for 5 in Finals appearances, so he's completely out of the greatest of all time conversation. No serious sports writer will ever place him in that mix again. Second, who will be better 5 years from now absolutely matters. Whoever has James on their squad when he's ready for a five year max contract will overpay him in the last two years of that contract. I'd much rather have Stephenson on my team now because it means, if I give him a max contract when this one runs out, I'll be getting all five of those years in his prime.

If I were a general manager or owner, I'd be interested in building franchises and dynasties not rent-a-trophy fantasy teams. This Hornets team is exciting, win or lose, because we've all watched it get built from the ground up the last few years, and Jefferson and Stephenson were brought on board because they complete us.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 7:45:06 PM

Kendall Marshall claimed off waivers by Bucks. Too bad, would have been happy to have him here.

Posted by: the Dude | Jul 19, 2014 8:29:52 PM

anybody arguing that stephenson was a bad signing just doesn't get the nba and should stop commenting. it isn't debatable.

it was stephenson or nobody and stephenson isn't just better than nobody, he's better than most somebodys (or is it somebodies).

the team is stacked.

one note i find interesting.....lot of people calling for kendall marshall. i agree. but where were you guys when i was talking about him when the suns traded him and wizards waived him? and explain to me the difference between marshall and any of the draft picks we ruined over the years?

guys get drafted into bad situations every year and it makes them look bad. on the flipside other guys get drafted into positions that make them look better than they are (MCW, Brandon Jennings,etc). people need to learn how to see the difference. anthony bennett didn't play bad last year. he didn't play. vonleh probably won't play much this year, doesn't make him a bad draft pick.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 19, 2014 9:00:57 PM

"This Hornets team is exciting, win or lose, because we've all watched it get built from the ground up the last few years, and Jefferson and Stephenson were brought on board because they complete us."

WTF are you talking about?!? So "we" are now "complete"?

Never EVER won a single solitary playoff game but we are now "complete"?!?

You talk like we've been to The Finals three of six years and just added the last piece to the puzzle, un-f'g-believable...

...moron slurper drones, they never ever fail to amaze.

Hornet Matt, a.k.a. Alan, nice try ;)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 9:06:11 PM

Well, we can't win playoff games in July. Otherwise we are now complete because it is this team, the one assembled on paper, which will start winning on the basketball court this fall, this winter, next spring, and one day in June.

And then all your arguments and pessimism will be little more than missed free throws, failed box outs, and errants passes...forgotten in the wake of basketball brilliance.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 9:36:00 PM

"...basketball brilliance."

LOL... Define "basketball brilliance". Exactly what are you predicting the Boobs will do next year? Are you guaranteeing the Boobettes advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 9:39:12 PM

I am predicting the Hornets advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, and I'm also predicting that our 2nd round series, win or lose, will be competitive and hotly contested with the Hornets either winning or losing in 6 or 7 games.

Are you predicting they don't make it to the 2nd round and/or don't make that contest a close one?

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 19, 2014 9:55:46 PM

Jeff, good stuff...take a bow. Like Billy Mumphrey, you're a cockeyed optimist, but I give you credit for going on the record with a definitive results based pronouncement.

And yes, you are correct, I do not believe the Boobs will advance out of the 1st round of the playoffs (if they even make it).

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 10:24:17 PM

Air Minny says:

“I think his confidence, in terms of taking a game-winning shot, is a plus,” Jordan said. “You can’t teach that. You either have it or you don’t. ... He has the skill level. You see the explosiveness. You see the signs. Now he has to show that desire to improve and work at it. ... He could very well be an All-Star in two years.”

That's why he's the W.O.A.T.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 19, 2014 11:19:20 PM

K asking other than the moron/idiot99 who... What do we have to give up outside of Jefferson to get Love? No question not gonna happen but just asking?
Somebody not an idiot who is disgruntled!

Posted by: DSHTG!! | Jul 19, 2014 11:52:42 PM

"What do we have to give up outside of Jefferson to get Love?"

Why don't you attempt to answer your own question? If you won't, why not?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 20, 2014 12:22:34 AM

I haven't gone any where douchstar. Some of us just have better things to do. As far as your name. Figuring out the genesis of your name is not the issue. It is that one cares. It is fun it scroll through and see the "relationship" continue to blossom between douchestar and iron girl. Iron girl thinks you are funny. It's troll love! That is so nice for you. You two enjoy your coffee together this morning talking about back door cuts! Lmao.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 20, 2014 6:10:00 AM

"Hi, my name is Hornet Matt....and I'm a Boob."

Watch out for that Hornet Matt, he's a mean one! One of the toughest ever out on Al Gore's internets!! About that snow question....

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Jul 20, 2014 7:42:00 AM

One more time for good measure. Some of you need to wake up. Most exciting backcourt in the. NBA. Let's get this season started.

"As far as consolation prizes go, Stephenson is something of a Powerball jackpot. He brings Plan A production at a Plan C price.On the floor, he could thrive in any situation. He has the stat sheet of a jack-of-all-trades—only he, Kevin Durant, Kevin Love and Nicolas Batum averaged at least 13 points, seven boards and four assists per game last season—yet he may have mastered several of them.

He's an elite rebounder for his size (6'5") and position (shooting guard).

His 11.4 rebounding percentage last season was the best among guards by a considerable margin. The gap between him and the second player on that list (Michael Carter-Williams, 9.8) was as big as the one separating the No. 2 and No. 9 spots (Alonzo Gee, 8.2).

Over the last 10 seasons, only current Milwaukee Bucks coach Jason Kidd has had a higher single-season rebounding percentage of all players 6'5" or shorter (minimum 60 games played).

With a combination of speed, strength, New York City toughness and a disruptive 6'10.5" wingspan—Draft Express indicates that's long for a shooting guard—he has both the physical and mental tools to be a lockdown defender"

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 20, 2014 8:24:41 AM

Oh I am quite sure you have seen snow douchestar. You and Iron Girl sharing a nice little cup of hot chocolate. Two people who have mastered the back door cut. Iron Girl thinks you are funny. You can pretend, but you know that hurts. The one person that thinks you are entertaining. That qualifies you as the least entertaining person on the planet. Fortunately you can't be blocked here or the douchestar show would have been cancelled long ago and Iron Girl might actually have to watch basketball for entertainment. The only thing funny about you is how much time you spend on Bonnell's blog. More pathetic than funny. You are so into Bonnell You might have to add another cup of hot chocolate to your little party in front of the fire. I hope Iron Girl doesn't get jealous.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 20, 2014 8:40:11 AM

This signing is ridiculous. The Hornets should be arrested for stealing this guy. Big time player. Playoff experience. Does it on both ends of the court. Fears no one and is 23. This was a brilliant brilliant move and makes the Hornets very good this year. Another step forward for this team. 7 to 21 to 43 to wow.

"the actual results show that Stephenson held James to his lowest PPG and effective FG% in the entire playoffs—Spurs series included—by staying in his face yet still not allowing him to get to the foul line (LBJ’s usage stayed relatively constant compared to what it was vs. the Bobcats and Nets, but his FTA per game were basically sliced in half). Obviously Paul George had something to do with this as well. But Stephenson played essentially the same number of minutes per game as $13.7M breadwinner George (40.6 MPG vs. 40.3) and had the highest offensive rating out of any of Indy’s regulars, 107.4 points/100 possessions. In other words, in just about as big a stage as you can put him on, Stephenson was delivering on both ends of the floor at a marquee level. And the Hornets just acquired this talent for a mere $9M per year for two years and a team option—a team option!!—for the third year. This, my friends, was a masterstroke."

Posted by: David | Jul 20, 2014 9:07:46 AM

Hornet mess . Since I'm a girl and you're a serious tuff guy , why don't we meet at your favorite Starbucks to settle this ? Some of you guys are real bad behind a computer . I don't know Nastars . But he sure is funny and has an acute understanding about the front office . All you do as well as a few other clowns is make bad jokes . You haven't once posted anything relevant as to bb fundamentals . Same w you Bob . You show up too . I think you guys bring up stuff about govt cheese and welfare bc your projecting . The economy is bad here and I'm truly put out over the blight and misfortune . Some of us haven't been dealt the same hand fortunately so I'm reluctant to respond in kind about your plights . But this is a bb blog . We can post as much as we like . Don't read it or move on to another blog if you're not w it . Leave it to say if you don't like it tuff .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 9:38:52 AM

Wiggins plays over the rim to the tune of once in a 15 yr player . The last one was King James . Playing over the rim is the number one draw in the nba . In the first game , Wiggins got a lob and his head was actually over the rim when he attempted to finish . It brought the house down despite the lob being thrown poorly causing him to miss . I'm not sure if James wants his legacy in Clevland to have a rival .

There's nothing the Hornets could offer to get Love bc Minny wins if they never get a championship but do get Wiggins . You have show time for the next 15 yrs at its all time high inc packed sold out games . And the biggest tv contract . Mj can fool us w his desire for a ring here . It's a desire but he wins w Jefferson and merely saying he wants a ring . He knows he can't win a ring w Jefferson but it's really about packing the place over anything . That's why he's easy fodder for Nastars . I'm about winning . Most of you guy are just complacent w just getting to the playoffs . I see that it's impossible to get thru the playoffs w Kemba at point and Jefferson anywhere on the ct . So w them in the lineup is not only a waste but a set back . The center position scoring by Jefferson is inherently the least productive scoring in the present day game . He never even gets to the line . It kills all the other more proficient scoring opportunities . Bc of his failure to pass and overly high USEAGE , it kills the wing scoring worst which has happened since his arrival . If you can't catch n shoot , you're doomed in his offensive scheme . And we know how bad catch n shoot guys can go south quickly and how many it takes to succeed . ( think . Allen , Battier and Miller the yr before w the Heat ) ( and Green w the
Spurs that same yr ) .
Minny will prevail and the Cavs will give up Wiggins . It's about winning a ring for the Cavs w James . They will Ship a first , Wiggins , Waiters and someone else . You then have the big three but two who play no defense anymore than Jefferson or Kemba . If the Hornets gave them Jefferson ,
Kemba and Stephens , it would amount to the draw of Wiggins in show time on tv or in the arena . Mj would do it in a Ny second . But Minny would hang up the phone . The three the Hornets would ship would be worth in on the ct in wins and impact but not as to tv ratings and ticket sales . And other teams would have more appealing offers . Love would never agree to come here long term . He's a crybaby MF . No team would sell their assets of that level for a one yr rental . Love is not an option here under any circumstances .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 10:08:55 AM

Okay tough girl. If you were really tough you would post your garbage under your actual name. Challenging someone on an anonymous blog is the tactic of true pu$&y. You keep your little love affair going with douchestar. I think it is nice. You ladies deserve each other. Anyone with any self respect would not bother posting as much as you back door buddies. I am sure you are concerned about the blight as much as you contribute to it. No way you have time to do anything productive. Enjoy the rest of the day. Plenty of time for you to post the same thing over and over and over. Sprinkle in some Douchestar and that is a nice little day for you! Lmao. Hornet Mess. That is almost as good as Boob. You girls are really talented. Surprised no nba fringe office has scooped you up. Hahahaha.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 20, 2014 10:29:21 AM

Lol. Punk . Knew you would punk out . Now try posting something about bb . Just once . You can't .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 10:38:27 AM

The Lakers won 27 games . They have a tv contract that pays them 150 million a yr . For the next 18 yrs !!!! They pay Kobe 23 m a yr or thereabouts . Wil pay Lin 8 . Guessing 5 m for Boozer . 8 m for Hill and 9 m for Nash . Swaggy gets 5 m I think . All bums including Kobe . But they profited last yr 100 million dollars !!!!!! Winning is about the tv contract , ticket sales , store sales etc . The nba sells a billion dollars a yr in store sales . That's the winner . Jefferson is going to demand a huge contract coming up . It's time to get something for him instead of letting him walk . He's gong to strangle the payroll here . For him to win , you need to do what Svg is doing in Detroit . .. Surround Drummond w spot up , catch n shoot guys . Singlar . Meeks . Pope ( maybe ) Jennings will be gone and a sharp shooter like Dragic will replace him that can spread and dish . That's another reason why paying Kemba is dumb bc he doesn't fit w Jefferson as he's a volume shooter and dismal spreading and at the arc . Add no defense and sorry assists at the rim passer and it makes no sense . I love what Charloatean suggests even tho he's off on Biz and Mkg to the extent he goes and out to lunch on Morrison. Robin Lopez an Milsap . Now you have the two front ct positions sewn up . In any event . Jefferson is not about winning rings . He wants his money at all costs over anything . He's not re-signing here if there's a dollar more elsewhere . There will be . And I hope he takes it . Again . If you want mediocrity and getting 8 th seed , it's him . He can bring you nothing else . Zero .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 10:55:30 AM

Iron Man. It is obvious that everyone on this board except for one person thinks you have issues. And he only does it because you support his Hornet/Jordan bashing. It would tough not to recognize that unless you have very little perspective. If you don't think Jefferson can play D that is one thing. Personally I think you over value guys that can alter shots and under value things like defensive positioning. But so be it. However you negativity around Al's willingness to play D or understanding of it is what makes your comments embarrassing. Especially when you hear the below. Until you get in the. Hornets locker room or actually have some real insight into what is going on over there, you might want to quit embarrassing yourself.


“I’m excited about Lance,” Jefferson said in the hall outside the Hornets locker room at the Thomas & Mack Center, where he had shown up to watch Charlotte eliminate New York from the Summer League tournament. “We’re all going to be on the same page as far as defense, and defense dictates the offense.

“But Lance is a playmaker. That’s the reason he led the NBA in triple-doubles last year. He’s got this nastiness about his game that you want on your team. I was really excited to hear he signed with us and he wanted to do that. I think he’s got a lot to prove, and he wants to show people he can be a great superstar in Charlotte."

“We were sixth in the NBA in defense and that is the reason we had the success we had so we just got to continue to do all that,” Jefferson said of a Hornets (then Bobcats) team that won 43 games and made the playoffs.

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 20, 2014 11:54:42 AM

Wow this thread is filling up with win!

Posted by: Rob Butler | Jul 20, 2014 11:59:53 AM

Hornet Matt, Iron Man, NASTAR-

please get back to basketball; you three are reminding of that bee-yach fight between LJ and Zo where they weren't even throwing punches just slapping at each other like 5 year old girls.

Just saying…….

Posted by: the Dude | Jul 20, 2014 12:38:11 PM

Our projected starting lineup includes three elite defenders: Stephenson, Williams, and MKG with the first two being upgrades at defense compared to last year when any perceived weaknesses in Jefferson and Walker's defense was managed.

But people are underestimating Walker and Jefferson's ability to play team defense. In a team defense concept, Walker and Jefferson both can play a valuable role. Jefferson can lean on big post playing centers like Hibbert and Gasol, wear them out, and alter shots with his length while Walker can use his speed and quickness to pick pockets when opponents are scrambling to get away from Williams, Stephenson, and MKG. Suddenly we have a big, strong starting lineup, other than Walker, and Kemba's going to use that situation to his advantage, scrambling through the traffic jam caused by our size and strength, picking those pockets, and igniting fast breaks with MKG, Stephenson, and Williams as able finishers.

It's going to be symphonic.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 20, 2014 12:39:01 PM

jefferson is a big body that can fill up space, rebound, and has great hands for steals and deflections, occasional blocks.

but he is horrible unathletic and completely lacks effort on that end of the floor. we got destroyed in PnR's where his man was the screener. lebron didn't score 61 on MKG, he scored 61 on jefferson. they just ran 5-3 PnR over and over and over and lebron got hot on open 3's. smart coaches will exploit that, but it is a HUGE help to have really good defenders everywhere else.

just as williams is a better defender than mcroberts, so is zeller. and those guys upgrade over tolliver, too. having jeff taylor back and having henderson as the backup 2 makes our wing defenders undoubtedly the best in the league. i can't recall a team this loaded with elite defenders. i mean biz is out backup center and he is easily a top 10 rim protector if not top 5.


kemba's only defensive knock is his size. it gets taken advantage of, but he'll learn to use it to his advantage with time.

the team is definitely elite defensively and improved offensively. definitely a top 6 team in the east on paper. first time we've ever been able to say that since the last year johnson and mourning played together.


I've always said we won't contend with jefferson playing the 5 for big minutes and i still think that rings true, but they sure are doing everything possible to stack up our defense everywhere else to where jefferson's job there could be incredibly easy. and we have a lot of room to make some moves to upgrade what we already have. we owe zero picks. we have a ton of young talent.


i don't think we're at all in play for love if wiggins/bennett is on the table there is NOTHING we can offer that is better than that. but if wiggins is not on the table......jefferson + vonleh or zeller + picks should get it done.

but we're a jefferson upgrade away from legitimate long term title contention. it could be as simple as deandre jordan or larry sanders. they won't do it, but that's all it would take. maybe even greg monroe who isn't a two way player, but a much better passer, just as good an offensive talent but much younger with potential to lock up for 4 or 5 years.


now can you imagine if we can keep taylor/kemba/biz/mkg/zeller/vonleh/hairston and develop those guys? the first 3 are eligible for extensions this summer and should all receive them, but it might be just as smart to play kemba on the QO next year and bank on him wanting to stay or being easier to replace than others.

hairston and vonleh should spend the year split between here and the d-league (of course we don't have a team) barring trades that open up minutes for them.


but there's no denying we are in a great position for longevity RIGHT NOW. here's to hoping they don't ruin that for some short sighted moves to appease clifford.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 20, 2014 2:05:57 PM

There hasn't been a game where Kemba wasn't taken in the lane by the starting point guard in the 4 th almost at will , if that pt gd were an aggressive one or was told to capitalize on the matchup . Let's name a few : Wall , Jennings , Kyrie , Paul , Rondo , Teague , Dj , Felton , Westbrook , Rubio , Lin , Dragic , Lowry , Bledsoe , Carter Williams and Thomas . If a pt gd is playing the driving lanes and getting steals , he's not playing on ball defense . Kembas inability to stop opposing pt gd penetration was the second worst problem the Clifford defense was cursed w . His size will always preclude any chance of resolution . Have any of you guys stood next to Kemba ? Can't afford a ticket ? I have . The first thing that comes to mind is how small he is . I'm 6 ft4 . 6 ft 5 in gym shoes . Kemba is not a second taller than 5 ft 11 . And he's just little . There's not one away announcer that hasn't come in here and question his height . The Heat did just what I said any playoff team would do to him . .. Turn him over . He averaged 4 a game . They took the ball from him when they needed . In other instances , they disrupted the offense . Yes , they had the greatest perimeter trapping defense of all time in fairness . But nothing will change unless you swap him out . Nothing .

The biggest problem for Clifford's defense was Jefferson's inability to provide any help defense . Standing in front of an opponent on coming or otherwise is not a great deterrent to a guy coming off a screen or having just broken one of the guards down in making a layup . You guys have totally forgotten , ignored or underestimated the countless times in a game , game after game that Jefferson was abused in this manner . You all keep referring to the final position respecting defensive stats which is pretty much immaterial and tossed out the window in the playoffs . As they were by the Heat . Name one center that has ever won in the finals w on ball defense and similarly pitiful help defense . You can't . You won't . It will never happen . Guys don't even look to see where Jefferson is . They simply break their man down , put their head down and get inside . I've been to other games and seen the same teams that have come in here ignoring Jefferson . When playing other teams , these same players at least peek and look for the shot blocker .

I will say it again . Clifford's defensive scheme may hide one piss poor defender but never two . Not at least in the playoffs . And again , at some point , whatever defense scheme you're in , your indiduals must each play on ball defense . Neither one can . Mkg ánd Hendrrson hugely help these guys out , to the detriment of their offense . They cover madly and don't rest like Kobe or Harden . Or Kemba or Kyrie . No scheme will do it in the playoffs . No scheme will do away w crisp , quick relentless rotation which the Heat didnt have and the Hornets never had outside of the two starting wings . But oddly , both are on the block . Lmfao . Instead of getting a pt gd that can facilitate to get them easy buckets . You can talk all you want about Jefferson and some illusory angle as to how he can work . It's never ever happening . Go out and look at these games not on tv but at the arena . You will see so many things you can't on tv . Like the huge space between Jefferson and the man he's supposed to pick up . Like how much space he takes up and never moves or screens clogging the lanes for the wings to drive . These are facts . Not some made up stuff , analytics or something that sounds good . Some of us here played major college ball as well . You can come w the foolishness , jokes and snyde remarks but we know bs when we see it bc of the years of playing defense in the trenches or out front . This is not to put anyone down or say I'm better but only to offer that some of the stuff thrown about here is unsustainable bc it's never been tested . And is nothing more than a guess . I will hereafter try to stick to bb as suggested which is all I want to do . Pls do the same . There's good debate going on . I'm a bb junkie in retirement and it's too hot to walk or play golf . Can't wait for the preseason .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 3:45:21 PM

Robert Parish. There's one such center.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 20, 2014 4:57:04 PM

Robert Parrish ? Lmfao . He was a very good rebounder , shot blocker , on ball defender and good help defender . The Celtics didnt win until he got there . Chief was a real 7 footer . Not 6 ft 9 like Jefferson . There's not any comparison between the two on defense . Not at all . Wo Parrish , the Celtics would have never beaten the Lakers . Walton helped but he was too banged up to do the heavy lifting. Chief played both ends unlike Jefferson . Try again . And Jeff . You don't have to be in the lockerroom to es what's going on . Jefferson let's players drive in untouched . It's been a knock on him all his career . He just continued it here . Give me a 7 footer who averages 13 a game , 7 boards , defends the rim some , the paint some and puts his hands up when the switch comes . You can go much farther . And Williams is not an elite defender . He's better than McRoberts . Much better . The elite defenders on the team are Taylor , Mkg , Henderson and Lance . They now have the best wing defenders in the nba . It's up to Clifford to devise an offense to befit them . I would play Lance at point gd . Mj played pt gd under Collins for one entire yr . Lance can do it . Phil would use him like that . He used a big , long 6 ft 5 or 6 person or close at pt gd each yr until Fischer . ( Harper , Shaw 6 ft 4 , ) I would run , Henderson at sg , Mkg , Williams and Jefferson . And make them run and trap . On offense , use the dump to Jefferson and then cuts . Bring in Kemba or Neal to replace the wings .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 5:40:55 PM

Robert Parish averaged 1.5 blocks per game for his career, Jefferson has averaged 1.3 blocks per game so far for his with 1.7 per game in last year's playoffs despite playing on bad feet.

There's a reason their block numbers are similar. Both solid on ball defenders who block shots when guys challenge them, but come on, Parish had a great rainbow jump shot and rebounded (9.1) at a similar clip to Jefferson (9.2), but he was not in the mold of today's help defenders coming across the court or even the lane to block athletic finishers the way we've seen from guys like Joakim Noah or Ben Wallace or Rasheed Wallace Rasheed Wallace or even Chrish Bosh when he feels like playing defense, nor did Parish ever have to cover stretch 5's, which was a concept that basically didn't exist back then except for Laimbeer who posed problems for the Celts, and it was ultimately the Pistons, not the Bulls, who put an end to the Celtic reign in the East.

Listen, I was in the original garden to watch Parish in his prime, and he was not much better as a help defender than Jefferson.

The key, if you allow penetration at all, is to funnel it towards Jefferson as opposed to expecting him to come across the lane for support. Then when that big body of his slows down the opponent, you come in and strip the ball from behind like Bird did 1.7 times a game despite being a pretty poor defender himself. Also if you're playing stretch centers, you have to either let Jeffeson cover the 4, or if the 4 has range too, you have to give Jefferson some extra time on the bench. Rest him up for the next game or let him abuse the 2nd unit. Basically get creative.

Greg Kite sucked on offense, but he was often used effectively by the Celts on defense when Robert Parish wasn't the answer.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 20, 2014 6:04:24 PM

I will stick to Basketball as well. I am totally good with Douchestar and Iron Girl holding hands as they type on the computer. It's actually really nice.

This is the best roster this team has had since the Hornets days, Cho tore it down and built it back up. Better, younger with more flexibility and without giving up any picks. This team will be very good this year and is one move away, maybe at trade deadline from being a legit threat to win the East. Really not much to argue about which is the problem for some of these guys. They just need to make crap up so they feel better about themselves.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Jul 20, 2014 6:12:17 PM

, but go ahead and run some searches and see if you can find one play where Parish comes out of nowhere to provide help defense, goes aerial, and blocks something at the rim.

Here's what you're really going to find: Larry Legend using Parish like a prop either a) on offense, waiving off Parish's picks, then dropping threes from range like he's in a layup line, or b) working the half court set like a magician, then serving up a soft pass to a wide open Parish so close to the rim my grandfather could have finished the play in the 80's, or c) on defense funneling guys into to Parish who, without ever taking a lateral step, goes straight up to block the shot...just...like...Jefferson.

You swap out a young Bird for MKG, and whatever you lose on defense, this Hornets team is going to the Finals.

We just have to hope Lance spent enough time with Bird for some of his do-it-all madness to rub off French Lick style. Forget that ear blowing stuff. That's for amateurs. We're about to see a new Lance. I got a feeling something metaphysical is about to happen in the town of Lance snacks and Knights baseball (think jousting and lances). This whole thing feels like it was meant to be, and with Lance away from Bird the first time in his pro life, I think it's going to be like the spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi returning in Luke's ear and Luke becoming stronger for it. The disciple is about to become the master, Lance about to become Reborn Ready on the Reborn Hornets and for the whole thing to shock the basketball world when Lance wins the season MVP leading the Hornets to the best record in the East. Yes, I said it. And I said it first.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 20, 2014 6:25:53 PM

Jeff . You seem to have more than a modicum appreciation for bb . What a relief . But look . Stop trying to compare Jeffersons piss poor defense be it , on ball , help , defending the paint or rim to Parrish's . No Parrish would not be able to cleanly cover stetch fives . But he didnt have to . James
Edwards was the center during the championship yrs w the Pistons . Laimbeer was the stretch pf and mchales assignment . I was at those games . Each n everyone in Det . I had season tickets at the Silverdome and the Palace . Despite Chief not covering outside , he did his job well inside w no complaints . Find anything or anybody outside of you that agrees w you . Chief was a very good on ball defender , shot blocker and covered the paint and rim . We know Jefferson can't w stone feet .

You can't use stats to help you . The celtics has Mchale who blocked shots too . Greg Kite was not a very good defender . But I would take him over Jefferson on defense any day . Anyone would . And you talk about great help defenders who are all power forwards or much smaller and more athletic than Partish . Bosh . Ben Wallace . Sheed . Parrish as to help defense should never be compared to them . But his help defense would have been closer to theirs than Jeffersons which is non existent .

Posted by: Iron man | Jul 20, 2014 7:43:13 PM

You're right about this. The game has changed. Centers are expected to be more mobile. The Wallaces always started together, so one of them was a center just as there have been many times Bosh or Noah has jumped center for their respective teams. Basically Jefferson is in the mold of old school centers, not that different than Parish but with a more refined offensive game (more like McHale frankly) and slightly less height, so he's going to have some advantages on offense in the post against modern centers, but disadvantages on defense. So you deal with it, you adapt, you see how good the team can be, then you evaluate down the road. I say they'll be pretty darn good.

Now we'll see.

Posted by: Jeff | Jul 20, 2014 7:55:34 PM

Obviously Bird wanted to keep him. So that bull shit arguement can end. The Hornets stole this player. This is the most exciting thing to happen to a sports team in this town in a long long time. He will be even better offensively playing with Big Al and Kemba. Boom

"It's just disappointing,'' Bird said. "When I'd go to practices, when he was on, he was by far our best player. And he worked. If you work as hard as he does, you're going to get better. I'm going to miss the kid, no question. And he's growing up. That stuff he pulled in the playoffs, that was out of the blue. But I knew how good Lance was and the value he brought to our team.''

Posted by: Mike T. | Jul 20, 2014 8:02:12 PM

i can't tell among all the gibberish.....are you guys arguing whether or not jefferson can play defense again?

of course he can't. but we just got so stacked elsewhere, it might not hurt us too much.

stephenson/mkg/henderson/taylor = best wing defense in the league hands down. it's not even close going 4 deep.

zeller/williams is an improvement over mcroberts as well. (but mcroberts was not the problem)

we either need to get more defensively from jefferson (he's capable of more than he gives) or we need an upgrade. There will not be a better time to upgrade than this summer. he's only on a 1 year deal and next summer he's going to sign a deal that will make him untradeable. or he'll be signing elsewhere.


but as it stands right now.......interior defense is the glaring weakness. everything else looks pretty good right now. no elite shooters, but a lot of good and improving shooters.

Posted by: charlottean | Jul 20, 2014 8:14:03 PM

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