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August 22, 2014

Charlotte Hornets sign P.J. Hairston to rookie-scale contract

The Charlotte Hornets have signed rookie P.J. Hairston, the former North   Carolina shooting guard they acquired in a draft-night trade with the Miami Heat.

            The Heat chose Hairston 26th overall before dealing his draft rights to the Hornets. Under the NBA’s rookie pay scale for first-round picks, Hairston will get a guarantee the next two seasons totaling about $2 million. The Hornets would then hold two one-season options on Hairston before he’d become a restricted free agent.

            The Hornets previously signed the No. 9 pick, former Indiana forward Noah Vonleh. Hairston originally retained an agent who hadn’t been certified by the NBA Players Association. That situation had to be resolved before the Hornets could sign Hairston.

            A 6-6 shooting guard, Hairston played in the NBA’s Development League last season after being ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Hairston averaged 21.8 points and shot 45 percent from the field and 36 percent from the 3-point line for the D-League’s Texas Legends.

            With Hairston’s signing, the Hornets now have 14 players under contract with training camp a little more than a month away in Asheville. Coach Steve Clifford has said he’d like to see the team sign a third center.

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Comments

awesome signing. i just hope he can keep his nose clean. hornets should be a top four seed with everyone healthy this year.

Posted by: Zac jones | Aug 22, 2014 2:08:11 PM

How much does PJ pay the Hornets if he punches another kid or shoots an old lady?

Posted by: Gettlemen | Aug 22, 2014 2:22:02 PM

so did he keep the same agent?

Posted by: diddy | Aug 22, 2014 2:30:45 PM

UNC-CHeats!

Posted by: John Blake | Aug 22, 2014 2:31:11 PM

Natster???? Have you slit your wrists yet? Yet another of your "sure things" has proven to be a load of bunk.

Way to go MJ and crew! We are positioned great for this upcoming season. Finally a team Charlotte can get behind that actually has a chance to win!

Posted by: Go Hornets! | Aug 22, 2014 2:39:46 PM

Can't wait to see PJ prove all you haters wrong. Instead of supporting your home team you continue to doubt and make stupid comments. I remember when Cam first got here and all the racist and stupid remarks I heard about him. Look at you people now. Probably have his jersey on right now. MJ and Cho are building a great team. Go Hornets!

Posted by: J | Aug 22, 2014 2:50:14 PM

Congratulations to yet another UNC-CHeat scholar and athlete. You represent everything that makes UNC-CHeat great!

Posted by: Bradley Bethel | Aug 22, 2014 3:01:40 PM

It's hard to shoot the three from jail; based on past and recent history that seems likely.

Posted by: Gettlemen | Aug 22, 2014 3:15:07 PM

Well if he had a real agent in the beginning he would be OK. But I like idea of him and Lance on wing. NBA teams prepare to meet Master mayhem

Posted by: Rahshon Gamble | Aug 22, 2014 3:39:26 PM

Go Hornets!, nice try at revisionist history. In fact I did question why they were taking so long to sign him but I never said they wouldn't. Shouldn't, yes...wouldn't, no.

However, one sure thing is between Punch Drunk and Looney Lance their rap sheets would fill up an entire yellow pad!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 22, 2014 3:54:59 PM

Lmfao !!!! These posts are hilarious . I needed a good laugh . He won't get much time ( on the floor that is ) bc he's a one trick pony and Clifford won't tolerate the rookie mistakes . His defense isn't good . He let guys get by him way too easily to stay on the floor for sustained minutes . He never saw a shot he didnt like , has no mid range and can't finish strong enough yet . They already have a chucker in Kemba . Plus that back ct would get eaten alive by even the weakest of opponents on defense . He better think twice about swinging on Lance in practice . Even if Lance blows in his ear or smacks him like he did the little guy for the Heat .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 22, 2014 4:14:01 PM

I hope Clifford tells Cho to step away and institutes his merit based minutes management system from the git go -- that will be VERY interesting!

By my estimation the ONLY player with a lock on his position is Big Al and outside of that all other positions should have open competition in training camp to see who starts.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 22, 2014 4:44:59 PM

If that's the case , Mkg probably would not start . But you can't have the no. Two pick that's probably on the block lose the balance of the value he has left . Lance can play sf . He has a long wing span and standing reach . More importantly , he can in fact check the bigger sfs better than Mkg and weighs 235 pounds . And defends wo fouling which infuriates Clifford messing up the team defensive position stats . The two best wings by far are Henderson and Lance . Cliffird said Lance will impact the sgs and sfs . Henderson has improved his arc shooting each yr and more than doubled his attempts after Neal got here . It follows to stay on the floor he's going to take even more which he should have . Being the only other two way player other than Lance , this makes the decision even easier . How many sgs averaged over 15 points a game last yr ? And doing it playing w aball hog in Jefferson and a non facilitating pt gd ? Henderson n Mkg should thank their lucky stars Lance is here . Wo McRoberts , they would get less than nothing . Lance looks for cutters . The wing rotation is the best in the nba . But then there's the Josh Smith rumors that may impact the current wing rotation . Whatever , doesn't look good for Zeller if true . Chos picks are getting exposed by the day .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 22, 2014 5:19:08 PM

I think he will be a great addition to the Hornets. Maybe a little to close home. But I feel like he has something to prove. He lost a lot of money by not keeping his nose clean of bad decision. Let's not prejudge him. His desire to live good in college got him caught up. He is 4 years away from a payday. He has all star potential. He might be the best Carolina player since the man Michael Jordan. He pretty good we really have seen is whole game.

Posted by: Tjax1068 | Aug 22, 2014 5:24:29 PM

clifford doesn't understand merit. neither do you, clearly.

Posted by: charlottean | Aug 22, 2014 6:52:46 PM

Who could be the best thing out of UNC since Mj ? Hairston ?

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 22, 2014 9:44:57 PM

"clifford doesn't understand merit."

How can this be? I thought Cho the Great was infallible? You're saying Minny, Yes Co. & Cho handed over the keys of such a glorious franchise to a guy that doesn't understand the concept of "merit"?

Seen any other $90 million or $100 million contract offers coming out of China for American basketball players? Or was Looney Lance the one and only player in history to get offered one of those? How many years was that contract supposed to run?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 22, 2014 11:24:16 PM

Kembas contract issue is coming up . Do you extend him ? If you go by the stupid analytics out there , you do . But his flaws and what this team needs at ot gd makes you not offer him a dime . Make a trade fro a real pt gd or let him walk . Dragic and Rondo will be available next yr . Or trade for Bledsoe . Kemba is going to want 11 m a yr for 4 yrs . He thinks he's as good as guys like Lawson or Conley . Lmfao . These two can facilitate , make teammates way better , run the pick n roll and aren't chuckers . Conley can play defense too .

I got ripped for saying that Faried should have taken over Biz and was much better . Cho was an idiot to draft him . But guys after the first yr argued Biz was better and would be better . Cho better not mess up the Josh Smith trade . Pope n Meeks are not close to Henderson in value on either end . His arc shot is improving . Put Zelller in the deal or Biz or Mkg or even Vonleh . Plus a pick if you have to . The Pistons wanted Henderson before . Cho will want to get something for him . The Clippers , Bulls , Okc and Pistons want Henderson , a two way player that will perform much better in a non catch n shoot stystem and a facilitating pt gd .

Still if Mkg is not in the trade , a sf will be coming . A real pt gd who's two way who can facilitate and shoot from the arc . . Lance . Two way sf , ( or keep Henderson at sg and play Lance at sf ) Josh Smith . Jefferson . They will be a top three team in the east .

Lilliard got cut . Lol . He was the only true pt gd they had on the team .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 23, 2014 10:10:00 AM

^^^Faried over Biyombo? Get this guy GM job. Faried went 22nd which is where every mock had him. Love to see the Iron Man mock that had him at 7.

I go ripped for wanting Khawi Leanord over Biz. What a bunch of idiots for not taking him. LMAO.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 23, 2014 4:48:11 PM

Wow, you call Kemba a chucker but you want Josh Smith????

Josh Smith who chucked up 3.4 3 pointers per game last year hitting a STELLAR 26.4% of them. Smith who over his career averages only 28% from 3?

Smith is probably trying to extend the longevity of his career by extending his shooting range to offset declining athleticism, but he can't seem to hit the shot enough to justify taking them.

PER of 14? Below average in the NBA but people are suggesting we trade MKG, Gerald Henderson (or even worse Zeller) and a draft pick for him? What in the heck are y'all smoking -- that's the worst idea I ever heard. Sure he used to be an impressive shot-blocker, but that has been fading for years.

PLEASE, lord, don't let the hornets trade away a bunch of our good young talent to bring this chucker to the team.

Kemba, on the other hand has improved his three point accuracy every season and hit 33.3% last year on a volume of 4.5 attempts, not great but high enough that it doesn't hurt the team for him to shoot them. If he keeps improving, as I expect, he'll be a real threat from 3-land in a couple years.

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 23, 2014 6:49:35 PM

Steve . Mocks are about as dumb as you . That's why teams have scouting departments . In any event , Biz had no hands , was slow laterally , couldn't shoot w no game outside of under the rim . They fell in love w a game or two shining against weak talent or young kids . Had they put Biz in a full ct practice game over here , anybody but Cho, Higgins and you would have known he had no skillset .

Ben . Smith played out of position . The Hornets need a shot blocker , help defender , defender at pf who can play some serious offense . He chucks but that will be tempered . He averaged 16 a game and has an inside game . All this spacing only by a pf that stretches only by standing at the arc is limited . You can space by screening , swinging the ball and man movement just as well . Think the Spurs or Bulls . It's funny you failed to mention Smiths strengths and filling of holes for the Hornets . Either you're really stupid or disengenous .

Mkg is history . He doesn't play in the 4 th sitting behind journeyman . They won't go into the yr after having to deal w his QO . Plus Mj wants big production at sf on the defensive end And offensive end . Henderson will walk into a starting job w the Spurs , Bulls , Clippers , grizzlies or Okc w nothing Cho can do about it unless he's moved . He didnt give back 3 m .for nothing and his agent is the best around .

Smith will be a huge upgrade at pf and there will be little need for
Zeller and Vonleh who will beat him out in 2 yrs . Plus , the Pistons will want a good reserve back in trade . Zeller can play but he's too weak to handle starting pfs all game and hasn't stepped up enough or certainly fast enough . Mj is in the now . Mkg can split time w Singlar at sf but be the defender at sf to compliment Singlar . Henderson will step right in and shine at sg wo having to deal w the huge ball stopping dump into Jefferson policy . This kid averaged 20 a game the second half of the season , only to have his Rhytm ripped from his game . Lance in fact won't score as much as him but will handle better and facilitate which Kemba is lost at seriously doing ESP in the crunch bc he's too small w littke arms and poor ct vision . Add decision making too . Talk about ft % . Kemba at 39% from the field .,lol.

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 23, 2014 10:08:07 PM

Proper spelling is **chukker**...as in:

"Shorty is a *chukker* extraordinaire."

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 24, 2014 12:31:20 AM

Lmao ncstate fans so salty. Keep hatin, your crap team will remain just that as unc keeps winning and we get to keep enjoying watching our former players do big things in the NBA

Posted by: Smitty | Aug 24, 2014 12:33:07 AM

Iron Man- we've on the same page on Walker; and I definitely appreciate the stats you bring (unlike NASTAR), but I gotta tell ya- when I read your comment about Cho/Josh Smith this afternoon, I thought perhaps your brain was moving faster than your fingers because I could hardly understand the rest of your post; but to come back and advocate and defend the position that the Hornets go for Smith.. you might need to step out and get some fresh air, brother, and rethink your position.

Smith is one of the absolute most boneheaded players in the league and Dumars unfortunately paid the correct price for signing him: his job. I still remember the game against Charlotte at home against the Hawks where I watched Smith jack up these ridiculously bad shots, I mean he didn't care about ANYTHING. It was so disgraceful that Woodson took him out of the game... for the rest of the game.

And you preach (correctly) about ball movement? Fuhgeddabouit, IM.

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 24, 2014 2:12:32 AM

Dude .. It's worse than you know . I have bb junkie relatives in Atlanta and Det . They say his dad sits in or near tge front row and tells him to shoot it every time he touches it . And he has the owner who loves him on speed dial . This is part of the problem why Monroe wants out and zero to do w him . So yes , he's a nut . But so are half the guys in the nba . Heck . I was a nut playing on a major division one bb team . You have to channel the energies of these guys . In the correct setting , Joah amith can play . This team needs some head cases who can go hard . If you're two way , can pass , play hard core defense w good length , you're needed on this team . There's only one two way player on this team . It's Hebderson . Now it's Lamce . Smith is a two way player . You out incentives in his contract to stifle that stuff . The Pistons where terrible w a bunch of young guys w no leadership . Smith will be in a winning culture here . Between Lance , Jefferson , Ewing and Mj , smith won't pull that sick jacking of threes . He will be playing pf , his position and is a very good seasoned vet . Mj wants to win now . I wouldn't trade Henderson but they will demand him bc he's way better than Pope n Meeks . Somehow , I would give them Zeller , Mkg and a pick .

The starters here would be . Kemba . Henderson . Lance . Smith and Jefferson . Lance can play sf w ease . They would still be great at sf on dedense bc Lance can check the bigger ones and Mkg cannot . You can have .williams back up Lance at sf . You have more firepower instantly at sf and ball handling . ( pt f like James or use Henderson on offense at sf . Henderson murdered the league at sf ) . This lineup will beat any team in the East and compete w the Cavs and Bullls. Here's the kicker . The bench w , Roberts , Williams , Neal , Taylor ( or Hairston if he's hot ) Vonleh and Biz is the best bench in the East . And they don't lose leads !!!!!! Sub Lance out early for Taylor so he can play w the subs and you have even a better bench .

I don't care about the head case stuff . The Pistons are desparate and want to move him and his fit here w Jefferson is very good . No more guys driving in for layups untouched . Shot blocking , traps w a of w speed and length . Huge passing . Ok . You have one problem w jacking threes . Put some incentive in his contract to clear it up . If not , sit him . He will get it . If not , lock the lockeroom doors and have Biz tussle w him . Lol . Didnt Shaq grab guys who messed up as soon as they got out the showers ???? You don't pass on bringing him here bc of the one hole in his game that be coached out if him . Then look for a team to take shorty and get Bledsoe .

Bledsoe . Henderson . Lance . Smith . Jefferson . You have 4 two way players in the lineup . Now you can hide Jefferson . You then have a top two way pt gd that can facilitate . They now can compete w the best in the West and East . Look Neal was ripped here last yr . He and Henderson had a bad series . Hendersons problem was a failure to hit spot up shots or open set shots . That will be improved this yr . He shot 45% from the arc in the corners . It was a miracle he averaged 14 w Jeffersons ball stopping and Rhytm and no facilitating pt gd . He will be better this yr w a facilitator who can get him back out in transition and easy buckets in half ct sets . Neal will imorove too after a yr w Jefferson . He was tooooooo good w the Spurs bc of the ball movement and facilitating which there be much more Of when shorty is shipped for a facilitator . And one who can play defense . Defense starts at the top . You have to have a pt gd who does not let guys waltz in the lane . All of Phil's team had one and so did all of Riley's teams . Shorty will never be able to stop opposing ot gd penetration . Ever . I never got this push back from any posts . Lol. But w Smith , they compete and fill the hole at sf too . Once you ship shorty , it's ring time . If you need a sf sharpshooter to add to the mix , get one . There's a ton of them out there that can come off the bench . But the thing is two way players . Go back to 2002 w the Lakers . All winning teams had 4 two way players in the starting positions .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 9:01:26 AM

Sorry . Typing on the phone and driving .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 9:06:21 AM

@ Iron Man:

RE: "It's worse than you know/Smith's dad"- oh ship! reading that was funny as hell and made my morning. ......and you're still pushing for this guy? You should know that in American pro sports, there are guys who just don't get it, even if you have MJ/Ewing beating them over the head.

RE: "I don't care about the head case stuff" ......Man... care about the head case stuff. Have you ever read the phrase (ok, generally graffiti, but whatever); "No matter how hot she is, someone, somewhere is sick of her bullship". Dude, Smith isn't even that 'hot', talent wise. This ain't NBS Live, coach.

RE: "But the thing is two way players . Go back to 2002 w the Lakers . All winning teams had 4 two way players in the starting positions ." ... with ya 100%, that's why I don't understand why you cats are so down on MKG. Yah, his offense is a work in progress, but the guy is going to be an assassin in this league. We saw a disappointing offensive hand, but (1) Clifford was obviously keeping MKG on a VERY short leash, (2) MKG is only going to get better on offense, he did have a bit of a breakout game in the playoffs, (3) I'm happy to have Clifford, but, for a coach who when hired stressed his system is about "putting guys in position to score"... I'm not convinced he applied that theory to MKG, and (4) I'm so bloody tired of watching guys who don't play defense that I love watching MKG giving the other teams 'star' a massive headache.

RE: Shaq tackling guys out of the shower/Biz doing it. LOL - but it would be even funnier if Patrick did it.

One thing I've always forgot to mention regarding Walker... I'm pretty sure that Hornets management is aware of his limitations and isn't going to give him a ridiculous extension. Hopefully they are taking from the perspective of: hey, we've had a bad team with room for improvement at every position; so as we replace we're going to get and inside presence then work on the other spots with the PG being replaced last since at least he does have NBA talent, if not height :-)

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 24, 2014 11:45:40 AM

Dude . I understand your issue w Smith . So we will just have to agree to disagree on whether the arc shooting can be tamed . I think a naked Ewing wrestling him out the shower as Shaqs former Suns coach said he did to guys that messed up will temper Smiths arc shooting .

But let's do it this way .. The team of Kemba , Henderson / Neal , Lance / Williams , Smith / Vonleh and Jefferson will beat Kemba , Lance , Mkg , Williams and Jefferson every night . This added team which subtracts Mkg for Lance beats any team in the East outside of the Cavs or Bulls every night . They compete w the Cavs n Bulls . You have to take the chance on Smith, bc the East has gotten sooooo much better . If Rose stays healthy , who's going g to beat them ? The Spurs ? They will be the only team that gives the Spurs a taste of their own medicine by swinging the ball And applying the requisite defense . If the Hornets get Bledsoe , they too can hang w the Spurs and Bulls . The Cavs too . Bledsoe , Henderson / Neal , Lance /Taylor / Williams , Smith / Vonleh , Jefferson . The Suns don't play defense . Kemba will fit in right fine .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 1:56:00 PM

And why is there so much dreadfully hateful disdain for Nastars ? I do not know him but he's one of the smartest guys as to front office affairs on the Internet . And he's insanely witty too . He missed out on a few things but we all have . Let the first person that's never been wrong about the Hornets as to any events , cast the first stone . He was kidding about shorty going to Italy and you guys know it . Some of you can't wait to attack him about the slightest prediction . Most of the stuff he says about Mj , cho and Higgins turned out to be true . When they had everyone believing in the rebuild and Nastars went against the majority , he got killed for it but stuck to his guns . And look what happened . They turned on a dime , tossing all the be patient bc of the rebuild stuff out the window . I've never seen a guy so hated and vilified . But what's funny is he's taking on the lot of y'all by himself and pretty much prevailing . The reason is bc he doesn't buy into the hype and hogwash the front office pushes . Take that out of the equation when replying and you may have a fair fight w him . He's a handful but let me be the first to say I've learned a lot from his posts .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 2:13:24 PM

I can understand the hate for me . I want some of the huge fan favorites gone . So be it . But I've outlined the reasons why . Let's see who prevails . Me or the field .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 2:15:21 PM

Boobs face some very interesting (and potentially very costly) situations/decisions in the next 1 or 2 years.

If Al opts out do they pay him something approaching max dollars to keep him?

Let Coach Cliff play out his contract and test the market or lock him up with a 5yr/$25mm deal?

Do they give Biyombo a qualifying offer for next year?

You slurpers are aware Zeller Dweller's contract has a team options for the 2 years following this one?

How do the Boobs handle Shorty and his qualifying offer after this season?

Depending on how the chips fall Boobville could look a whole lot different 18 months from now....

....slurpers?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 24, 2014 2:36:23 PM

Iron man, tx for the kind words;). Whadya bet a slurper shows up soon spewing another homophobic rant....?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 24, 2014 2:44:32 PM

Jefferson has never been about winning . If he did , he would share the ball much more and play a sliver of defense . But the easy thing to do is pay him the max and keep winning during the season . Mj will not want to go back to rebuilding or even back sliding down to 35 games wo Jefferson . This notion will control despite the fact you're never getting out the first round w he nor shorty . There's a possibility w bringing in a shot blocking league average defender who can pass like Robin Lopez to back him up . W shorty starting , there's no possibilities ever .

You can't pay Clifford 25 m and he can't figure out how to get his wings off and run an offense that gets spacing from screens , cuts and passing from the foul line by a center or pf . Give him 3 yrs and an incentive to get out the first round . Bet he will come up w how to get Jefferson to pass and shorty to facilitate in the paint and play some defense outside of cheating out in the passing lanes to steal the ball . There's too many good coaches that understand coaching on both sides of the ball . The dump into Jefferson policy is horrifically flawed , the least efficient option in the modern day game ( he never gets to the line and misses cutters who could score and get to the line . And doesn't get teams in the precious bonus . Players lose Ryhtm ) and is Clifford's only offensive scheme . Look at all the past ten champs . They all had passing games from bigs to big passing , the triangle or a pf or center passing to cutters at the foul line . Even the Mavs w Diirk , along w the tired old spacing w guys standing around the arc which gets shut off in the playoffs . The Heat put James at pf and hit Wade off cuts all game in the 2 nd half of games .

Biz will be gone . Trade shorty for a true pt gd . Even if he asks for 6 m , let him walk bc he's a spark plug off the bench . And a good one . He's not even a league average pt gd in many sites ranking pt gds and you have a new crop of Exum ,Burke , Carter Williams , Smart etc that will as well pass him by . Doesn't matter . If you want mediocrity and a sg running point then fine . The seats will be filled but that's it . You could have had Lowry or Bledsoe two yrs ago . These real smart Gms and coaches are filling up these stops now . Think NYC w Phil n Fischer . They know they wouldn't dare bring shorty in bc he's too little to defend for starters and weak . Tell me what championship either won w a small , weak defender starting at point . Fischer was stocky , strong and a very sound defender so don't try replying w him . The decisions are only hard if you really want to win in the playoffs . They're not ready to make the hard decisions yet . Cho has to lose and figure it out bc he has no clue about fit . The fans have to want more which they don't now riding the high of getting to the playoffs . Shorty n Jefferson tho , are fools gold .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 24, 2014 5:06:54 PM

It's Douchestar! So witty and smart. Just ask Iron Girl. Can you possibly get a worse endorsement on the entire internet.

Of course being homophobic would be if I was against their relationship. Quite the contrary. I approve! You stay together no matter what. Do not let anyone break Douchestar and Iron girl apart. Keep holding hands while you type on Rick's blog. So cute. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Aug 24, 2014 5:32:02 PM

Right on cue....

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 24, 2014 9:46:16 PM

It's Douchestar! His super power is being one of the most predictable "men" on the internet. Another trait he shares with his "friend" Iron Girl. I hope their "relationship" does not get as boring as their comments. Keep it fresh ladies. Hate to see you get tired if each other. Maybe turn the lights on every once in a while? Sorry. Bad idea. Enjoy!

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Aug 25, 2014 6:36:22 AM

Hornet Matt (LOL), how about you take 2 items from this list and comment on them? Maybe give us a little insight on how you think things play out? How they should play out?

Betcha can't ;)


If Al opts out do they pay him something approaching max dollars to keep him?

Let Coach Cliff play out his contract and test the market or lock him up with a 5yr/$25mm deal?

Do they give Biyombo a qualifying offer for next year?

You slurpers are aware Zeller Dweller's contract has a team options for the 2 years following this one?

How do the Boobs handle Shorty and his qualifying offer after this season?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 25, 2014 12:05:35 PM

It's Douchestar. Another one of his vast super powers is to only be able to provide questions with no answers! Only downside is that this power only seems to work on Iron Girl. The Douchestar movie is not exactly looking like a blockbuster. Currently only one ticket is projected to be sold to Iron Girl. Douchstar and Iron Girl all alone at the movies. Watching them talk to each other on a blog is at least better than seeing what they do in person. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Can they stay away from each other? Bethca they can't!

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Aug 25, 2014 12:35:55 PM

Wow...get help bud.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 25, 2014 12:47:18 PM

@ Iron Man: OK, you got me so fantasy-basketball'ed out here that I'm trying to keep up with ya. In the scenario above I didn't what ya did with Hairston. Was he traded with MKG by the playstation or he's not ready to contribute at this point?

@NASTAR: Let Coach Cliff play out his contract and test the market or lock him up with a 5yr/$25mm deal? -- Aren't ya being a little quick to hand out $25m contracts there, xbox?

You slurpers are aware Zeller Dweller's contract has a team options for the 2 years following this one? --- That's a great thing, I think. What are you griping about this time?

How do the Boobs handle Shorty and his qualifying offer after this season? --- i gotta think (hope is more like it) that the Hornets already recognize the limits with Walker-- he was an ok draft pick in a talent shallow draft, but not big enough to take a team deep. Walker probably wouldn't want to come off the bench unless he found not many buyers in the market.

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 25, 2014 2:11:26 PM

Even as the backup, ok.. whatever, but not sure what's proper $ you offer him for that role..

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 25, 2014 2:14:08 PM

Unless Kemba Walker suddenly becomes Ty Lawson, which he can easily do that or make the All-Star this year (very unlikely); he will demand a 3-4 year deal in the $7.5-$9.0M per year. And that should be pretty fair, when you consider what players are getting paid lately and what PG's like J. Calderon, B.Jennings, G.Hill, I. Thomas and J. Teague are all signed for. All those are pretty good comparables to Kemba Walker. All are pretty good, above average PG, but none are pure all-star caliber PG's.

Now, if Kemba Walker happens to explode and has a monster year, which given the current talent on the team, coaching continuity for the 1st time in his career, tha fact that he really want's to win and is a contract year, then things could change and he can get into the T. Lawson, K. Lowry, M. Conley and J. Holiday territory of $9.5-$11.0 per year territory. S. Curry is also there, but everyone know he is grossly underpaid because he signed after his injury. If Kemba Walker gets even a little bit of All-Star consideration (even if just a little bit) from a source outside of the Hornets, that that will make matters interesting.

With Rose, Rondo, Irving, D-Will(Maybe?) and K. Lowry as the main PG's in the East it is unlikely he will be an all-star, regardless of what he does, but if the Hornets happen to be lucky enough to be "on pace" for 50 wins (difficult but possible) by the all-star break and Kemba is shooting at least 44%FG, 36%3PT, 80%FT, while averaging 17.0PPG, 7.5APG, 4.0 RPG, then he will be in such a conversation. Those numbers will post PER's as good or better than K. Irving and/or K. Lowry. Those numbers are not difficult to achieve by Kemba Walker, and those are the kind of stats used to get all-star consideration regardless of any limitations you may have. K. Irving is the best example of it, very sinilar stats to the ones I mentioned, one of the worst defenders in the league, another shoot-first PG with very poor court vision, efficiency is just above average, injury prone and he just got a max contract.

As for Coach Clifford, if he proves he is a solid Coach that can turn this Team into a Top 4 in the East, I have no doubt MJ will pay him $25M/5Years if that is the asking price, when time comes. After all, he paid something very similar, although shorter contract to Larry Brown.

Posted by: RobC | Aug 25, 2014 5:20:56 PM

It's Douchestar! Recommending on a blog that I need help. With 10,000 of his own posts and counting, he is in a perfect position to recommend help. LMAO. Not to his "friend" Iron Girl. They "help" each other all the time! Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Aug 25, 2014 8:04:43 PM

If Kemba is an Allstar , it should not in anyway matter if he's kept or shopped . The only thing that matters if he defends and facilitates in the lane to a way better tune than being in the basement . He could average 20, play the same piss poor on ball defense , not facilitate at the rim nor run the pick n roll , become an Allstar and the Hornets will still be trying to get out the first round . Why are there zero takers of the bet ? You guys love this guy and have to hate my sounding on this guy . I'm gone for a yr . A year !!!! But if you lose y'all gotta be gone for a month . Nastars is gone for a month too . What's up ??????

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 25, 2014 8:05:19 PM

i dunno; maybe it's b/c the majority of us would be thrilled to upgrade at the point guard position? (Shocker)

What's your next bet; that Clifford will still be the coach at the end of next season? Maybe the loser of that one can be banished for two years.....

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 25, 2014 8:25:54 PM

Should be quite a year at the Cable Box.....


Overall grade and accomplishments -- B+: If Stephenson keeps improving in Charlotte, this could be a team no one in the East wants to face in the playoffs. That contract carries some risk, but it's also great value. The Stephenson signing and the offer sheet to Hayward, while both very different deals, showed that the Hornets are seriously going for it. They're not satisfied with just making the postseason. You have to applaud them for their aggressiveness.

You also have to like what they did on draft day, which is why overall it's been a strong summer for Charlotte. I'd give the team an A if it had managed to acquire a true sharpshooter or another solid big man in free agency, but the Hornets can try to get guys like that down the road. In the meantime, they're clearly going in the right direction.

Posted by: Mike T. | Aug 25, 2014 8:40:57 PM

Dude .. From the majority of these comments , there's no clamoring for an upgrade at pt gd . And shorty has a greater chance of getting hit by a lightening bolt that struck on the other side of the continent in 1965 right now than making the Allstar team . Think who he has to beat out . Lowry . Wall . Rondo . Rose . Teague . Irving . And possibly Deron . These guys play bb . They all play defense , can score as well or better , can run the pick n roll , drive n kick and pass better . Carter Williams is way better now but he's on a bad team .

I'm afraid that Lances true talent of ball handling will get reduced by the dump into Jefferson policy and shortys overdribbling . He's not a better scorer than Henderson so don't jump on him when his numbers are all that . Bc Hayward and Lance are not great shooters ESP from the arc , they got paid bc the front office knows shorty is lacking in facilitating . And both can facilitate . That means shorty will be re-signed as they have a guy in Lance to fill the hoke in his game which McRoberts did .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 26, 2014 2:43:02 AM

Not many fans are clamoring to upgrade the point guard because Kemba is one of our better players. Ideally you upgrade your worse players and keep your better ones, especially if they are young and have upside, thus improving the team. Right now that means upgrading the small forward and power forward before worrying about point guard, where at least we have a legitimate NBA starter, unlike those other two positions.

I like our youth and talent in MKG, Zeller, and Vonleh, but none of them would be sought after as starters in the league right now, not Marvin Williams, either. So do we try to trade, aim for another free agent upgrade next year, or stick with the talent we have and hope one or more of the three mentioned above, and/or Biz or PJ, develop into quality starters.

Right now I'm happy with the team we've put together: a playoff quality team with loads of young talent. Who knows how it will work out in a few years. Using the past as a guide I don't expect too much, but I'm more hopeful for Charlotte basketball than I've been in more than a decade.

Posted by: Benjamin G | Aug 26, 2014 9:57:14 AM

Interview with Clifford: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24679560/qa-hornets-coach-steve-clifford-on-lance-stephenson-mkg-more

His comments on Kemba:
"
With Kemba, I think Kemba's competitiveness I understood from competing against him, but the thing that he did last year was he put in so much work before and after practice, on off days. And his pick-and-roll game really started to take off. So if you look at his shooting numbers, people wouldn't see the improvement, but his assist numbers, and you can look this up, but I think his assist numbers the last three months of the year actually went up close to one assist per month [Note: Walker averaged 5.4 assists per game in December, 6.3 in January, 7.3 in February, 7.5 in March, 8.5 in April]. And that's when our team started playing a lot better on offense. And it was strictly that he started going from a guy that made a lot of offensive scoring plays in pick-and-rolls to continuing to score but making a lot more plays for his teammates.
"

That is some really nice improvement in assists through the year.

Posted by: Benjamin G | Aug 26, 2014 10:11:30 AM

@ Iron Man- I agree completely.

I was just offering an explanation as to why no one was responding to you jumping up and down asking why no one is taking your bet. There are a couple of people on here that want to keep Walker, but I don't see too many to be honest.

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 26, 2014 10:31:49 AM

Ben . No other position so hugely impacts every other postion . He can imorove all he wants but he can't run the pick and roll . He can't defend the pick and roll and they look to put his short behind in it whenever they need a basket . Did Cliford say anything about Kemba allowing pt gds to shoot 40% from the arc on him ? ???? . He can't stop opposing pt gd lane penetration ... He can't get dimes in the paint in half ct sets or in transition . Once again , how many easy buckets lobs did he throw in the playoffs or all yr ? This stuff won't change . You ever played w a facilitating pt gd ? And then one who can't pass ? It's night and day . The facilitating guy gets gifts , guys get all happy when they get in . They start playing harder . They do the intangibles . They block shots . Fill the lanes . Don't talk behind his back etc . The jacking guys like shorty get nothing . Guys know he won't pass and is out there dribbling the shot clock down to jack it himself . How many times has Kemba ever shared the last shot w anybody in the final seconds in a quarter ? Never . This wears on a team . The facilitating guy has guys jumping over tables to play w him bc their numbers go up . Kemba has made no one better . Watch when poor Mkg gets shipped . Or Henderson who was a beast the second half of the season before last . He was the 8 th leading scorer !!!! When Mkg goes to a place like the Suns or Philly , somebody gunna check Kemba about all the easy buckets he never gave him or anybody . Somebody take the damn bet so I can get run off the site . Lol.

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 26, 2014 12:35:42 PM

I watched nba tv the other day or espn . Bill Russel was on w the grantland guy . Wilt chamberlain and Russel were talking about why Russel had more rings . Wilt said his teammates had to pass him the ball but Russel 's teamnates got the ball passed to them by Russel . That's all you need to know about championships and big men . Kareem , Shaq ,Gasol , Duncan , Walton , Laimbeer , Kg , Dirk . Big guys who passed to teammates wo hesitation causing huge man n ball movement, spacing and shifting of the defense . You can add Phil's teams w the bulls where big to bigs passing was huge .

Another story . Kenny smith was out west playing where Russel was the coach . He said this the other day btw . Russel said , hey boy , you're sitting by me all yr on the plane . Kenny said why ? Russel pointed at three guys and said bc he's a loser , he's a loser and he's a loser . I tried to trade all three of yo mf s and nobody wants y'all . Y'all can come in the office and listen in on the calls . Now I ask you , what would he say to shorty about his jacking , no defense and no facilitating ? That's the kind of coach that you need here . To tell the real truth . ..... Or me an Nastars bc we would tell all these chumps what time it is . The first time Jefferson missed an open player underneath on a double team , I would call a time out . " big Al , if you ever do that again , you would never play another game here " . " shorty , I know I'm old but I will whoop your ass myself if you get inside , draw two and refuse to hit the open man " . That's how you gotta talk to these guys bc they dreamin about the Allstar game . Oh , I would tell Henderson something too . And Mkg . But it wouldn't be none of this bs .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 26, 2014 2:42:22 PM

Kemba's going to be re-signed after this year for 9-12 mil. His defense took big steps last year and his passing did too. As Benjamin posted above his assists went up every month last year and he averaged 8.5 per over the last month. This season Kemba's going to be the 2nd best player on the team, lead the team in assists 6.5-7.5 per, increase his efficiency 42-43%, increase his 3 point% to 34-35%, pull down 3.5-4.0 rebounds, and score 15-18 ppg. He was controlling games last year, and the majority of the Hornets fan base love Kemba. As of today he is 7th all time in Hornets/Bobcats history in 3 points made, he's 9th all time in assists, and 9th all time in steals. At the end of Next season Kemba will rank 8th all time in points, 4th all time in assists, 8th all time in steals, and 3rd or 4th in 3 pointers made in Hornets History. As I said Kemba's price range will be 9-12 mil per, the only way he doesn't get re-signed is if one of the other teams go all out similar to how we did with Hayward. Also their isn't a way to see assists at the rim this season but I'd be willing to bet Kemba was in the top 15. According to hoopdata he ranked 29th in assists at the rim during the 12-13 season and everyone who watched him this season saw him make major strides in the passing game.

IRONMAN aka LT Your hate for Kemba is ridiculous, I remember when you use to say we'd never make the playoffs with Kemba as the PG back in the 12-13 season, then it went to we will never make it out of the first round with him as the PG. This season we'll be challenging the latter with our new additions. Eventually you'll have to pick someone else to talk about, because Kemba's not the problem.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 26, 2014 4:53:29 PM

Ok . Look . I'm not going to debate w you . You're settled in . So this means you're taking the bet that the Hornets get out the first round w Kemba . If I lose , I go away for a yr . If you lose , you go away fir a month . Saying that he made great strides w assists at the rim is smoky not true . The defense the yr before was that he didnt have guys who could convert . He does now and he still can't run the pick n roll . How many lobs did you see in the playoffs ? Back doors ? Alley oops ? Transition buckets ? These are all at the rim . He averaged 6 in the playoffs w 4 turnovers . He's lucky his opponent was Chalmers bc he would have been exsposed . In the playoffs , he did exactly what I said he would . Play sg . That he did well . But let's not infirm each other . Just take the bet . As usual , you cited all the stats that don't much . He's a brilliant sg . He can't play league average on ball defense , can't run or defend the pick n roll ever . He's still in the basement in assists at the rim bc he NEVER THROWS THE AFORESAID PASSES . IF HE THREW THOSE PASSES , HIS ASSISTS AT THE RIM WOUKD RISE BUT IT CANT BC HIS CT VISION IS POOR , DECISION MAKING POOR AND IS TOO LITTLE . PLUS IF HE RUNS A PICK N ROLL , ITS ONE A GAME AND MOST LIKELY A PICK N POP .

WHOS the roller btw ? Lol. You or no one brings up his putrid help defense . You ever see him trap ? OPPONENTS SHOOT 40% from the arc on him . These are the stats that count . We haven't even dealt w his arc n field goal percentages . Who's better bc of him ? Who ? Let's just bet . This isn't hate . He would be a good 6 th man .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 26, 2014 6:46:43 PM

Talk about a moving target. Sounds like this guy said the team would never make the playoffs with Kemba. Now they will never get out of the first round. Next year it will be something else. What a complete joke.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 26, 2014 7:15:16 PM

To Ironman. It is true Kemba still has a lot of work to put in on his passing. Can you not acknowledge that he has made huge stride in this area though? I know I wasn't the only one that saw his assists at the rim go up from the 12-13 season to this season. His game management got better, and he got better at figuring when to get guys the ball and where to give them the ball. In the playoffs Kemba's averaged 6 apg. He had a couple transition assists, didn't throw any lobs, hit a couple back doors (I have to say back door passing and transition passing were 2 of Kemba's best passing plays after the all star break.) Kemba's passing has taken huge strides and if he continues to prove in this area he has a chance to be one of the better passers in the league. You also have to realize Kemba did average 4 turnovers per in the playoffs, but he was our best player through those 4 games. He also took a couple games to adjust. Big Al was hurt and the Heat double teamed and trapped him to force those turnovers. Kemba adjusted well the last 2 games. Also there wasn't one other team that would have been able to play us like Miami did with the ball hawk defense, they always caused us problems, having Big Al hurt just made it worse. You need to re-watch Kemba last season His on ball defense improved a lot. He still has a tendency every now and then to get beat by his man, and doesn't get around screens quick enough, but in one on one situations Kemba is a pretty good defender.

You saying he is still in the basement in assist at the rim can't be proven because hoopsdata stopped running after 12-13 season. There is no way to fact check that. I remember in the washington game Kemba hit Big Al at the rim to tie the game in the final seconds and we went on to win that game. Kemba makes quite a few back door passes, do you not remember all the Jeff Taylor dunks off cuts during the beginning of the season? Those came from Kemba. Do you not remember the Kemba/Big Al P/R. Big Al gets atleast 1-2 lay ups from running P/R with Kemba. We don't run P/R too often because Big Al doesn't like P/R, he like to post up and go to work, and outside of him who is Kemba running P/R with? Biz? Zeller? Mcbob? If Zeller has improved his jump shot and touch at the rim Kemba will be playing P/R with him more this season giving him another Roll man.

Also I don't know if you noticed but we mainly played Kemba off ball in the beginning of the season using Sessions, and Mcbob as our PG's. Kemba did kill it off ball in one month dropping 21 ppg 5 apg 5 rpg on 45%fg and 40% 3 pt. During this stretch with Kemba off ball we were 6 or 7 games below 500. As the season went on we put the ball in Kemba's hand more and more every game, which is why his assists went up, and as a result our team started playing better and we started winning more games.

Kemba's help defense isn't that bad. Kemba is in a predicament where he has to give his man space. The reason is if Kemba gets beat his man will have a wide open lay up because Big Al isn't protecting the rim. Kemba is forced to stand on an island up top, when a man screens him he either as to go over the top to stop the 3 pointer, but then watch as his man goes to the rim for a uncontested lay up, or he can go under the screen and watch the guy shoot the 3. Any PG on this team would go through the same thing because of our defensive scheme. We cheat off the 3 point shooters to pack the paint and protect the rim.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 26, 2014 7:51:23 PM

Also what is the bet exactly?


Is the bet is can we or will we make the playoffs, and once in the playoffs will we win a series making it to the 2nd round?

If this is the question the answer is yes. There are a lot of unpredictable things that can happen in the season though. If Big Al/Kemba/Lance gets hurt we aren't winning a series. If we suffer any injuries from MKG/Big Al/Kemba/Lance and end up in the 6-8 range in seeding and have to play Chicago or Miami then our chances of winning a series decrease. "We will have a big shot and we will have a real chance at winning a series if we stay healthy, an our young guys continue to improve. All I know is we can legitimately win a series with Kemba walker at the PG spot, and if Kemba gets re-signed after this year we will definitely be making it out of the first round during the span of his 2nd contract, and most likely multiple times.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 26, 2014 7:57:30 PM

Steve . Try refuting anything I've said about the holes in shorty's game . You can't . Until you do , don't talk about jokes . Hornetscback . I'm ashamed of you . I highly respect your views in the past . And you know what your boys think about what I said even the ones that can't stand me over at the boys club . But you can't defend shorty . Pop was asked by a reporter was Leonard going to be MVP . Pop said next question . He wasn't going to talk about the stats that put guys on the Allstar teams . That's what you did w shorty . But the real stats that count , shorty comes up short . I believe they looked for facilitator help at one of either pf , sf or sg so they could re-sign shorty . They found him in Lance . This also shows you the front office agrees that he can't facilitate or never will to the tune of even league average where it counts in the paint . But if they pay shorty 12 m , that would be the end of Cho bc shorty is about to be exposed in a big way now . All the holes in his game that I set out will be totally exposed bc he has no more chance of improving in these areas than you do or stupid ass Steve .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 26, 2014 8:08:53 PM

So you did say the Hornets would not make the playoffs with Kemba at the point. And your were dead wrong. Now you changed the argument like the weak ass punk you are. Nice 50 posts on here loser. What will the next 50 be about? Let me guess. Nice nickname for Kemba. Come up with that by yourself?

They won't make the playoffs. They won't make the second round. They won't make the conference finals. They won't make the blah blah blah blah.

Refute your bullshit? Kemba has improved in every category every year. You keep moving the bar like the pussy you are because you have been wrong so much. Punk ass little bitch posting on a blog. Good for you loser. Good for you.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 26, 2014 8:57:27 PM

Steve...get help bud, you're taking it way to serious.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 26, 2014 9:51:42 PM

I have to agree I also think Lance was signed because of his fit along side Kemba. I think Lance was signed to help with Kemba's weaknesses, such as provide extra passing, give us a bigger guy to run P/R, a second ball handler to bring the ball up when Kemba is pressure and when Kemba is trapped. etc I also think Lance was brought here for his potential at the 2 guard, his ability to space the floor from the 2 spot, his ability to break down the defense and go off the dribble which we lacked outside of walker last year, and his versatility on defense giving us a Duo of Lance and MKG together on the wing is going to be lock down. I don't think the FO is looking at bring Lance in meaning they don't think Kemba will never be a league average passer. I think it's more that there is a possibility he could improve becoming a good passer and there is a possibility he could never improve and continue to be what I consider an average passer. I think they said let's bring in Lance who will mask Kemba's current passing weaknesses not only now but as long as they are together, which puts them in a position where if Kemba never develops his passing farther Lance makes up for it, and if Kemba does continue to improve his passing and becomes one of the better passers it's just better for the team. It basically puts the team in a win win situation. I also think Lance does so much more for the team then just mask Kemba's weakness's giving us a guy who can play the 2 and 3, a legit 3rd option with the potential to one day be the 2nd option, and guy who can space the floor, another close to lock down defender to pair with MKG to give us a lock down duo, along with a second guy to break down the defense and create his own shot, and a 2nd ball handler who can create for others.

I think 12 mil is still in Kemba's ball park for pay. Next season the cap should rise a little the same way it did the last couple seasons and in 2 seasons the NBA will be getting new tv contracts and supposedly the cap will be going up to around 80 mil per which would be an increase of around 10 mil per. If we gave Kemba 12 per now in 2 seasons that would be the equivalent to 8-9 mill this season. I also think 12 mil would be based off our team being successful next season top 6 seed at the minimum, maybe top 4 seed challenging for the division title, with Kemba showing improvements defensively (on ball, coming around screens, help), showing improvement passing (through impact, and statistics), showing improved game management, improving his efficiency (FG%, 3PT%), and most of all team success regular season and playoffs. If Kemba improves again next year, and we have a successful season, and we look to be set up to improve every year I could see him getting to that 12 mil per range. I think he'll get payed in the 9-12 mil range for sure though.

For instance look at Kyle Lowry, (he had one good year and got 12 mil per, and his one good year was very similiar to Kemba's last 2 years. Think Avery Bradley got 8 mil, Lowrey got 12 mil, Vasquez got 6.5 to be a back up. You also have to think the Market will set his value. Kemba will be the 3rd best available FA next summer, after Rondo and Dragic. Both Rondo and Dragic are looking to get Max deals. If they get max deals that could increase Kemba's worth, similar to us offer Hayward the max and Parsons getting offered 15 mil per when his value was suppose to be 10-11 mil. Another team such as the Lakers or Knicks could give him an offer and us not wanting him to walk for free could match.

Also think of Bledsoe, he has missed an average of 18 games per season over his 4 year career, he is injury prone, he has only had one good season so far where he proved to be very turnover prone with 3.3 per game, only average 5.5 apg, and isn't much of free throw shooter shooting 77% this season and he feels he deserves a max. Kemba has proved he can be the 2nd best scorer on a playoff team, he has proved he is a leader, he has proved he will continue to improve (passing, defense, efficiency) and he has proved most importantly that he is a winner and he will do whatever he has to to win, whether he has to shoot 10 shots or 20 whether he has to get 5 assists or 8. When we signed Lance, Kemba said he was the perfect fit and that Lance would and could be our closer. Lance hasn't even played yet and Kemba is already stepping down from being our closer. I think next season we see Kemba take on more of a real PG role, he'll still be shoot first, but he'll control tempo, move the ball, set up team mates, move the ball up the court in transition, basically everything except Lobs lol.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 26, 2014 11:45:37 PM

Good points . This is why I liked your posts 704 . The only thing I have a problem is we can no longer just talk generally about passing when it comes to Kemba . Or for any pt gd for that matter . Anyone can pass into Jefferson in the dump it into Jefferson strategy and get assists or pass to a guy on the arc and get an assist . That's all Kemba does , all he can do and is the only way he gets assists . At the boys club a yr back , we had a raging debate about what was the most Imp facet of passing and the truest judge of a point gd . It was per me , assists at the rim . I told you then his assists weren't going up much when he got shooters and they didnt . They went up to 7 in one month but so what . That ain't over a yrs time and they aren't many in the lane at the rim . He may , once a game do only one of the 5 at the rim type passes . It's tough to get inside w these paint protectionist defensive schemes . W these shot blockers . W these guys that trap or when you draw two defenders . He is little , has short arms , no ct vision and most imp , greedy . When he gets inside , he's more interested in forcing a shot bc he's trying to get to the Allstar team . I ran point in the summer league at times but never in college . It was amazing how tuff it was when two huge 6 ft 8 or 6 ft 10 guys run at you to be able to see the open man . I'm 6 ft 5 . Kemba is only 5 ft 11 in shoes . W little arms . He can't see over the top of these 6 ft 3 point gds . I don't care what the boards list him as . I've stood next to him . There's not an away announcer that's come in here and not questioned his height .

As to Lance , I agree . But I think he plays more w Henderson if Henderson is still here . Both are way better than Mkg on offense and both can play sg n sf . Both can cover sfs too. Except Lance can cover the big ones but Henderson can't . Henderson was the 8 th leading scorer the second half of the yr before bc he had no one who could cover him at sf . Lance will play sf on defense and Henderson sg on defense . Clifford played Taylor , then. Neal , then .cdr iver Mkg . He's going to stop now w Henderson ? He's way better than those three . I love Mkg but he won't defend wo fouling and he can't score under this offense . It took Henderson a yr to figure it out and he struggled and was in a slump the last two months . Kemba figured it out by Feb.

W Phil there , I don't think NYC offers Kemba a dime . He loves tall lengthy serious defenders at pt gd . Ones who pass n swing the ball . Fischer was small but stocky and very strong . All Phil's other pt gds were 6 ft 4 to 6 ft 6 . I agree w the rest of your stuff . Stay w us man . Btw . Pull the quote about me saying they wouldn't make the playoffs w Kemba . I believe I always said they wouldn't get out the first round . But whatever . They won't . Do it if you can so stupid Steve can move on . Thanks .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 27, 2014 9:18:20 AM

It's Douchestar. Another of his vast array of powers is talking but not listening. Along with offering advice and taking none. Also has the ability to only influence one person. He is amazing. All of his strengths are actually weaknesses! Talk about unique. Will be an interesting super hero movie that only one person will go to see. The sequel is the Douchestar/Iron Girl "team up." Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Hornet Matt | Aug 27, 2014 9:19:58 AM

And 704... Bc the point gd postion impacts all the other positions , you can't look at stats that much . You have to look at if a guy can run the pick and roll . If he can't , that means , he can't run the oldest play in the book , used up to 25% if the time and up to 40% in playoffs at times , he can't break a defense down in the hardest of times ( that's why they struggle in crunch ) and they can't get to the other variations in the pick n roll that break down defenses as well as spacing by guys at the arc does . You look at whether he can defend the pick n roll . And whether he can get the ball to players in Rhytm at their spots . And whether they can get assists in the lane . Lowry and Bledsoe can . Kemba can't do any of this . That's why they should have traded the pick for Lowry at the time . But Cho is as stupid as Steve when it comes to fit . He's goid w negotiating but so is any law student good in his contracts class. He's good w the cap but so is any hs math student that's good in math . He sucks at evaluating talent . Pundits slam his picks . Having a sg running point coukd be his worst one .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 27, 2014 9:50:44 AM

They got a few guys on here that can deal w your knowledge . Some I can't recall but Dude , rob c , Nastars , Sandy and Charlotean come to mind . They're on vacation but they're leap yrs ahead of the guys at the Hive . Maybe except you , fan , Mullens , panthers , Po , Newcat Charlotte , , br , and a couple of other guys who I forget their names who are cool guys . Tell them hello . I don't read their stuff bc there's too much homerism . I couldn't stomache crazy stuff posted by Focus , .jd , st , adam about me wo was never addressed . Play they posted way too much and didnt have the requiisite bb knowledge . These guys here know , outside of the clowns who only post for the sake of bad jokes . But that's the personae of the site and pushes it too . Ima one day come back w Nastars just to blast some of the regulars just for fun . Not now . I want Kemba to have everyone postion in place first so there will be no doubt about his holes . I like him btw . But off the bench . Rember tho , his assists were going up when Jefferson got here and all the shooters at the arc . Lol. They never did at the rim and not by much outside of that . He's a sg . Plus he's from NYC . My roommate was too . It drove me nuts bc all they did was shoot or play selfish ball . He Played just like Kemba but he was a better defender . He could have played in the Cba but went to law school . There was no money in the Cba then . Lance is from NYC too . His knock is he overdribbles . I can't wait to see how this plays out w Jefferson .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 27, 2014 10:06:51 AM

@NASTAR: Let Coach Cliff play out his contract and test the market or lock him up with a 5yr/$25mm deal? -- Aren't ya being a little quick to hand out $25m contracts there, xbox?

**Am I? If Minny, Yes Co. & Cho don't extend him before the end of this season Clifford then only has one year standing between him and complete free agency. As mentioned before, a new TV contract is coming which will only further embolden the already bold clique of billionaire owners (AirMinny not in this clique) who view NBA ownership as a fun hobby and aren't concerned about profitability. Clifford has another good year combined with rising water lifting all boats (TV deal, see 704's comments above) and it might just take 5yrs/$35mm to sew up Coach Cliff -- such a prospect destined to make Air Minny physically ill. If I were Coach Cliff's agent I'd advise him to test free agency. Given the Boobs dire financial position I'd say odds are at least 50/50% Coach Cliff does not get extended and ultimately goes elsewhere.**

You slurpers are aware Zeller Dweller's contract has a team options for the 2 years following this one? --- That's a great thing, I think. What are you griping about this time?

** Where did I "gripe"? In fact, I was simply pointing it out to the Zeller slurpers that his stint as a Boob could be short. And yes, you are correct, holding the options is good for the team...especially since they've already sent a signal of no confidence by drafting Vonleh. In a trade scenario the options will allow the Boobs to drum up more interest (unlike Hendo where there was no interest).**

How do the Boobs handle Shorty and his qualifying offer after this season? --- i gotta think (hope is more like it) that the Hornets already recognize the limits with Walker-- he was an ok draft pick in a talent shallow draft, but not big enough to take a team deep. Walker probably wouldn't want to come off the bench unless he found not many buyers in the market.

**I hope you are right about the Boobs "recognizing the limits" with Shorty, but I'm not optimistic.**

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 1:04:48 PM

@Iron Man -- I'm perplexed how you want to trade Walker (I do, too); but you're lobbying hard for Smith...... smh

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 27, 2014 1:29:33 PM

@ NASTAR --

"If I were Coach Cliff's agent I'd advise him to test free agency. Given the Boobs dire financial position I'd say odds are at least 50/50% Coach Cliff does not get extended and ultimately goes elsewhere.**"

-- "At least 50/50%" .... ....... .............. ...... wow, that's brilliant analysis there, man. Keep up the good work. Look, NAS, I'll somewhat correct myself; not because a new mindset on the topic hit me but because of the events this summer. Yes, I think it's a bit quick to be whining about the Hornets' options on Clifford; which is why posted the other day. However...... in a league where you give not one, but two guys who have never coached a game 5 year/$25million head coaching contracts..... that just blows my mind. So I guess I really can't say much about your speculation on Clifford, but obviously the Hornets have at least till spring/2015 to really start making a decision. BUT NASTAR....... you calling out #'s like $7million/year??? Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's too early. Plus, make up your mind- if you think the Hornets are a complete failure from top to bottom... why would anyone in their right mind offer such a failure coach that much? You're confusing me... soooooo are you saying we have a top tier coach now? (Text your boy quick for permission to respond- he doesn't like Clifford at all.)

(on a side note, I'm laughing my head off at Phil Jackson passing on David Blaat. LBJ or no LBJ, that dude is a helluva coach. PJ (and Golden State for that matter, although I'm not the biggest Mark Jackson fan) better hope that Fisher is ALL ACES

"** Where did I "gripe"?" --- You're always whining, griping. Staring your question with "You slurpers...." (whatever that means) is evident of the hater-ness.

"especially since they've already sent a signal of no confidence by drafting Vonleh." --- really??? That's awesome analysis, NAS! (high-five!) uhhhhm..... wait a sec......... where was the signal of no confidence sent? Did we pick the (arguably) the best talent left at that spot? Did we pick someone at #9 who was projected to go several slots higher and we seized an opportunity? Is it not a luxury to have two +6ft 10in young guys to develop to keep and/or trade for assets?

"**I hope you are right about the Boobs "recognizing the limits" with Shorty, but I'm not optimistic.**" ---- there ya go again.... I won't even bother...


Posted by: the Dude | Aug 27, 2014 1:57:42 PM

" Plus, make up your mind- if you think the Hornets are a complete failure from top to bottom... why would anyone in their right mind offer such a failure coach that much?"

--> That's a false statement. I've been constructive on Coach Cliff all along, and Big Al too. I do have doubts about Air Minimimum's willingness to pay up and keep them both -- trust me, doing so will be VERY expensive.

"** Where did I "gripe"?" --- You're always whining, griping. Staring your question with "You slurpers...." (whatever that means) is evident of the hater-ness."

--> You have failed to answer the question. Again, where did I gripe?

"where was the signal of no confidence sent?"

--> The location where it was sent was Barclays Center, Brooklyn NY. The time it was sent was the exact moment the Boobs called out Vonleh's name on draft day. That clear it up for you?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 2:26:34 PM

"--> That's a false statement. I've been constructive on Coach Cliff all along, and Big Al too. I do have doubts about Air Minimimum's willingness to pay up and keep them both -- trust me, doing so will be VERY expensive."

**That's hilarious, mate, since many people thought that MJ paid Big Al more than he may have gotten elsewhere. Next, xbox?

"--> You have failed to answer the question. Again, where did I gripe?"

**Read my first post- if you can't figure it out, then stare at yourself in the mirror as long as possible until you have an epiphany. It fluctuates between 'griping', 'hating', and 'speculating while griping and hating'. You're so fantastic at all of them that I figured you wouldn't care. I'll try to be more specific next time since it offended you. Stick to b-ball and don't waste my time on stuff like this considering that you throw so much trash out there with your cutie-pie names.

"--> The location where it was sent was Barclays Center, Brooklyn NY. The time it was sent was the exact moment the Boobs called out Vonleh's name on draft day. That clear it up for you?"

** Actually, it doesn't clear it up for me at all, NAS.

Sometimes teams draft on best perceived talent available; sometimes they draft on need. Maybe they think Vonleh will be better than Zeller; maybe they just thought Vonleh was the best guy to get on the board at #9. Geez, NAS; I just typed this all out for you at lunch......

I'm still waiting for you to show me where the no-confidence signal was sent.

So, do you think you can clear it up for me a little better?


Posted by: the Dude | Aug 27, 2014 4:09:30 PM

Dude ... I like your stuff but come on . There's you have to admit there some signs of no confidence in Zeller by taking Vonleh . If the roles were reversed , they would have taken someone at another needed position . Zeller rumors of his ship taking some water have been around since mid yr . He's weak , misses too many shots at the elbow , finishes poorly and gets pushed around . Vonleh is everything but better and you have a problem in a few yrs when you have to re- sign both of them . I talked to a pro playing currently . He said the biggest problem w Zeller is that he doesn't take off w two feet when he finishes at the rim , only one .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 27, 2014 5:09:03 PM

Iron man incorrectly wrote: "I don't think NYC offers Kemba a dime . He loves tall lengthy serious defenders at pt gd . Ones who pass n swing the ball . Fischer was small but stocky and very strong . All Phil's other pt gds were 6 ft 4 to 6 ft 6 "

BJ Armstrong 6' 2" 175 lbs and never averaged more than 4.0 assists per game playing for Jackson with the Bulls. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/armstbj01.html

And iron man incorrectly wrote: "Kemba is only 5 ft 11 in shoes . W little arms. "

In fact Kemba measured 5'11.5" in bare feet and 6'1" in shoes at the draft combine, and he has a wingspan of 6' 3.5", though he does have low shoulders so his standing reach is 7'7.5" vs. Chris Paul's 7'9".

He incorrectly says Kemba's assists 'went up to 7 in one month', and that Kemba can't run the pick and roll, but as quoted above we have Clifford saying:
"
With Kemba, ... the thing that he did last year was he put in so much work before and after practice, on off days. And his pick-and-roll game really started to take off. ... his assist numbers the last three months of the year actually went up close to one assist per month [Note: Walker averaged 5.4 assists per game in December, 6.3 in January, 7.3 in February, 7.5 in March, 8.5 in April].
"

Iron man is full of hot air when it comes to Kemba. With a good shooter in Lance at shooting guard, another year of preparation and maturity, and continued good coaching pushing him away from a shoot-first mentality, I expect him to average over 7 assists a game next year, which will move him into top ten in the league. Incremental improvement in three point shooting and cutting down on forced shots will boost his field goal % some incremental amount and he'll improve on his solid PER rating of 16.8. His defensive ratings made a big jump last year and will improve again with another year maturity and improved knowledge and strength.

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 27, 2014 5:38:15 PM

BenjaminG, two problems with your thesis of Shorty vs. Fisher...

1) Fisher is at least 3" taller than Shorty and probably close to 4".

2) Derek Fisher is a Point Guard...Shorty is not.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 6:05:52 PM

I have no Kemba vs. Fisher thesis but since you ask they are listed at the same height so your claim Fisher is 3-4 inches taller is just more hot air. And Fisher never averaged more than 4.4 assists per game so I don't know why you'd call him more of a point guard than Kemba who averaged 6.1 assists/game last year and over 7.3 assists/game for the last 3 months of the season.

How does a true point guard play 35 minutes per game on a team with Shaq and Kobe and yet only average 4.4 assists???? WHAT???Some true point guard you are talking up there. What Fisher could do, like BJ Armstrong, was hit the three ball: 37.4% lifetime percentage for Fisher, pretty good, and 42.5% for Armstrong, excellent.

Kemba is not as good a shooter as either of them but he is a better assist man than either.

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 27, 2014 6:20:13 PM

"That's hilarious, mate, since many people thought that MJ paid Big Al more than he may have gotten elsewhere."

That's irrelevant to Al's next contract. If Al has another big year and gets another All-NBA selection or even an All-Star spot he will opt out of his 3rd year and go looking for a max contract. If that happens, in your opinion what should Air Minny do? Pay up? If not, why not?

I'll take your non-answer as a concession on Coach Cliff.

"Read my first post..."

Nothing in your first post even remotely addressed me "griping" about the options in Zeller Dweller's contract. Obviously this is because it would be impossible to take issue with a simple factual statement that points out the details of the contract and nothing else.

"Actually, it doesn't clear it up for me at all, NAS."

Go to google maps and type in Barclays Center and that will clear up your "where was" question...pictures probably are the best route for you.

"maybe they just thought Vonleh was the best guy to get on the board at #9."

What good does this do the Boobs if the long term solution at PF was picked #4 the previous year?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 6:21:20 PM

" "maybe they just thought Vonleh was the best guy to get on the board at #9."
What good does this do the Boobs if the long term solution at PF was picked #4 the previous year?"

Picking the best talent available instead of drafting to a need is pretty common, no? Especially if you're not certain that Zeller is the long term solution (and how could you be at this point), why not take Vonleh if he's your top-rated player available? If both develop well, then one probably becomes trade bait, or maybe both develop into starters for the Hornets down the road depending on what happens with Jefferson.

The Hornets have stocked the larder pretty well, with every position covered at this point. They can afford to develop both Vonleh and Zeller in the next couple years and see what happens. I love their combination of talent right now - poised to move into the upper half of the Eastern Conference and still loaded with young talent that should keep improving for years to come.

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 27, 2014 6:47:14 PM

"I have no Kemba vs. Fisher thesis..."

As I reread the posts in fact I see that you don't, my bad.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 6:48:45 PM

I also think Hendo will play with Lance quite a bit to but I think Cliff will still start MKG. My reasons for thinking MKG still starts are:
#1 Cliff, Kemba, and Hendo have been talking about MKG putting on muscle, and working with mark price all off season and they have said his jump shot looks a lot better.
#2 Cliff always says you start defense and finish with offense. I'm thinking with MKG's skill set and Coach's philosophy of starting with defense, if MKG doesn't start when will he play. You usually want guys off the bench who can score, which MKG won't be able to do to the level of Hendo. I also think with Kemba, Lance, and Big Al bring so much offense in the starting lineup it masks MKG's offensive limitations as best as they can be masked. Off the bench his offense could get exposed even more, or he could get more touches and score more.
#3 I think having Hendo off the bench sort of like a 6th man will be a very nice addition. Him and Taylor are our only 2 way players off the bench and Taylor's offense isn't as rounded as Hendo, and Taylor's coming off a major injury. I also think having a Vet in Hendo on the bench mostly made up of young guys and new pieces, Zeller, PJ, Vonleh, Roberts, Neal, Biz, will add leader ship, defense, and scoring that will help our bench more then MKG could.
#4 Coach has raved about what MKG's defense means to our team. Last season before MKG got hurt we had the 2nd best defense in the league. I remember Indiana was in 1st place and articles were coming out questing if they could be the best defensive team ever because they were holding teams to 88 or 89 ppg. At this time we were holding teams to around 92 ppg. When MKG got hurt our defense hit the fan. Over the 18 games he missed we were the 2nd worst defense in the league giving up around 102 ppg give or take almost a point. When MKG got back our defense came back, and we ended up for the season 4th in ppg allowed and 6th in defensive efficiency.
#5 Cliff has stated a lot MKG is our defensive anchor, he gets our defense going. His energy out their is (I can't think of the word but his defensive energy and intensity catches on to the other players and makes them play harder on that side.) Add that in with his hustle plays that he makes multiple times a game, and his close to elite rebounding for a SF 5.2 rpg in 24 minutes per, and being the only guy on the team allowed to go for offensive rebounds, and what MKG brings to the team is huge. I think all these are reasons MKG still starts but I agree Hendo and Lance will play together quite often.

Last season Tolliver, Taylor, CDR, etc got minutes over MKG in the 4th qaurter because of MKG's offensive limitations, making us play 4 on 5, and our need/want for spacing and shooting in the 4th, along with coaches philosophy of Start with defense and end with offense. MKG played 24 minutes per last year, I think this year he'll play 24-26 minutes per again. I think Hendo will get back up SG minutes and back up SF minutes. Neal and Hendo will split back up SG minutes with Neal being in a shooting specialist role, and Hendo will get the majority of minutes at the back up SF, because he's better then Taylor, is a vet, and Taylor is coming off that major injury. I think Hendo will still get 20-24 minutes per playing in the 4th quarters over MKG and us using Kemba/Lance/Hendo/Williams/Big Al as our crunch time lineup.

As you said Hendo and Lance can both play the 2 and 3. They can both guard 2's and 3's and on d you can always have Hendo guard the 2's and Lance guard the 3's.

Can you believe I had someone try and tell me Hendo couldn't guard 3's because he's a 2 and to small the other day therefore Hendo and Lance wouldn't play together. Haha


The Cats won’t get in the playoffs until they get a sf that is not flawed . This could be Mkg . Until they get a big , strong , scoring but pass first pt gd who truly facilitates and leads .
This is not Kemba . A center or pf that can seriously defend the basket . And not until they get rid og Gordon and Biz w credible replacements . You keep going on w hope .
You save this post too. Bc everything I tell you here is coming . Everything . I told you when thgnext coach was hired , he was looking at the stas on why the Cats were in the
cellar on both sides of the ball . That Biz was gone and at some point so was Kemba . You and the homers argued me down about Biz . Lol . It was heresy .
But less than a few months removed , it ain’t . This is a business . If you posted w this in mind or it was your money ,
half the shit posted would never be posted . .. Never .

by Louis tape on Sep 26 2013, 9:23a

The Cats will not be in the basement from what we all know is going on . Most is unbeknownst to those pundits outside of Charlotte . They will finish at the bottom around 6 th .
Both great impact making pt gds will be the Bpa . One of them shall come . .. And the face of this franchise , its soul , its designs and intentions shall thereafter change . ..
Dramatically . The Cats will be free at last . Once again , on their way to prominence . Finnaly , w a lead guard running point . The Cats will make the playoffs . Mj will shine .
There’s peace on earth and good will to men .

by Louis tape on Sep 14 2013, 7:47a

I have to admit, I worded your words wrong, you never did come out and say we would never make the playoffs with Kemba at the PG. In the first post your were writing what the team needed to do if they wanted to make the playoffs and you didn't single Kemba out, and pointed out more then just Kemba that need to be changed in order to make the playoffs. And in the 2nd you were saying once we get rid of Kemba and get a new PG we would go on to make the playoffs.

So I have to say I did put words in your mouth and exaggerated on that. You never said we woudn't make the playoffs with Kemba and you never said we would never make the playoffs with kemba, you merely were saying if we upgraded our PG spot we could make the playoffs and be a better team. My bad on that one.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 27, 2014 7:22:52 PM

"Picking the best talent available instead of drafting to a need is pretty common, no?"

It may be for teams that have the luxury of time but the Boobs aren't one of them. The Boobs have 2 playoff appearances in 10 seasons, an 0-8 playoff record, and are hemorrhaging cash -- they need to fill needs now.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 7:22:55 PM

I'll admit in the 12-13 season Kemba couldn't and didn't run the P/R
ever and when he did he almost always forced a shot. I use to hate that,
even in the beginning of this season this happened. One thing I saw was after a couple weeks of this Cliff moved Kemba off the ball, and started running our offense through Sessions, and Mcroberts. He did this until December and Mid December he slowly started putting the ball back in Kemba's hands. Kemba continued to get the ball more and more until Sessions got traded and then our PG duties were split between Kemba and Mcbob. Starting in Mid December when Kemba came back he was laying different, he was running Pick and Pop with Zeller free throw line extended, and was running te P/R with Big Al when Big Al wanted to, he was bringing the ball up in transition hitting Tolliver and Mcroberts as the trail man, he even drove into the paint and passed out to a CDR, Mcbob, Tolliver, and Hendo a couple times. There was one game where we where down 2 and there was a few seconds left on the clock and we all thought we were going to get to see a Kemba game winner, instead Kemba caught the ball drove into the paint and passed the ball out to a wide open Mcbob who missed a wide open 3 that could have and would have won the game. I have to say Kemba does need to drive in and pass out more often. The thing about Kemba that is impresses me is how big of leap he made passing last season. 12-13 season he was truly a SG, and didn't do any of the passes you said. Last season after mid December he was doing some of every pass except lobs. When his assists went up through the months 5.4, 6. something, 7.4, 7.5, and then 8.5. That because he was incorporation back door passes, and hitting the trail man, and running into the paint and hitting the corner man, and hitting the roller. Him and Big Al's two man P/R game was looking really nice by the end of the season, and I have to say I think Kembas
quickly turned back door passing into one of his strongest assets in his passing
game. I will admit he needs more work in every aspect of passing, but the reason
I like Kemba is because of how far he went in the span of one season in passing.
I wonder how good he could have been and could be if he had a real coach from
11-12 season until now, with a real system implemented, and people to make him
learn how to be an NBA point from day 1. From what he's shown me last year I
think he'll take a bigger leap on his over all PG game and all around game.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 27, 2014 7:46:22 PM

"Picking the best talent available instead of drafting to a need is pretty common, no?"

It may be for teams that have the luxury of time but the Boobs aren't one of them. The Boobs have 2 playoff appearances in 10 seasons, an 0-8 playoff record, and are hemorrhaging cash -- they need to fill needs now.

To Nasstar:

I have to disagree. I'm not 100% positive what you guys are talking about but if you guys are talking about the team drafting Vonleh because they don't have faith in zeller then I have to disagree.

Zellers strengths are: His height 7ft at the 4 spot has him as the tallest PF in the league, his speed and ability to run the floor, his ability to draw free throws is crazy (he had a couple games last year where he drew 10 or more free throw. Drawing Free throw is very important in scoring.) His ability to body up and play on ball post defense, his quickness on defense allows him to provide help d here mcroberts and other PF's can't, his size allows him to alter shots just being in the picture, and he has an ability to take guys of the dribble, and his rebounding.

His weaknesses are: his strength,his touch around the rim, his perimeter defense, he's still makes young guy mistakes, doesn't use his size on defense to his advantage enough (should be challenging and blocking more shots).

When I look at Cody I can't see him being a bad player. He got pushed out of position for rebounds quite a few times last year and still managed to pull down 9 rpg per 36 minutes which is above average for a PF, he pulls down free throws at an above average rate, he has a passing ability that not many big guys have, he has a nice stroke on his jump shot so I don't see ho it doesn't start falling eventually, he has a high iq, and he has the size. I think Cody just need time to adjust, Last season in his 3 starts which is a tiny sample size he average 10 ppg 8 rpg 2 apg on 60% fg, and over the last 29 games of the season he average 7.7 ppg 4.8 rpg 1.2 apg .5 spg .7 bpg on 50.7% fg and he also shot 72.1% ft on 3.6 attempts per in 18.4 minutes per.

Coach said Zeller will play a bigger role in the offense this season so I'm thinking around 20-22 minutes per with 8-9 ppg 5-6 rpg 2 apg on 46-47% FG which will be really good.

Another thing that's good about Codys game is that with his size at 7 foot, mixed with his speed, his ability to go of the dribble, draw free throws, and his passing, he'll be a double team magnet or at least should be a double team magnet in the future. With the farthest he plays from the basket being at the free throw line, when he proves he can score in the paint, it'll open up his passing, and having a big guy who can pass in the paint is a very good asset.

I'm under the impression we drafted Vonleh because:

#1 He was projected to go top 5, and was being billed as a Chris Bosh type player. He was BPA.
#2 After the top 8 there was projected to be a very big drop off in talent. So I was under the impression we were going to grab any of the top 8 prospect that fell (Parker/Wiggins/Embiid/Gordan/Exum/Randle/Vonleh/Smart).
#3 IMO there wasn't one guy in this draft who would have came in here and got the start, and most of them wouldn't have even broken rotation. Wiggins and Parker are the two who would have had a chance to start because SF is our weakest position. I still don't think they would have started, seeing we are a play off team, they are rookies which means they'll make rookie mistakes (such as bad defense, bad turnovers, lack of effort from time to time, untimely mistakes, adjusting to pace etc etc) and because MKG is a big part of our team, and is now some what of a vet, is on the verge of an elite defender, on the verge of an elite SF rebounder, already knows the system, has seniority, and already has established chemistry with Kemba, and Big Al.

We also were in a position this year where we didn't need to draft for need. We really didn't have a big needs other then shooting and we got our shooter in the draft at pick #26 in PJ who a lot of people wanted and some people even wanted to pick with the #9 pick.

Our roster is

Kemba/ Brian/ Pargo
Lance/ Hendo/ Neal/ PJ
MKG/ Taylor
Marvin/ Zeller/ Vonleh
Big Al/ Biz

Who in our draft range that was available would have helped our team not only now but also in the future, while getting playing time, and having more potential then Vonleh.

The only guys in our range that we could have looked at were Mcdourmett, Young, who wouldn't have cracked rotation and don't have the potential of Vonleh. Payton who can't shoot at all, and wasn't in the running because Cho and Cliff said they wanted a veteran back up PG. Zach Levine, TJ Warren etc all these guys would have been bad fits or deep on the bench, and most importantly wouldn't and didn't have the potential that Vonleh has.

Having Vonleh and Zeller, makes it where we should for sure get our PF of the future out of one of them. It gives us a very good PF tandem in 2 years when Williams is gone and right now. We might also be able to keep both of them and have an above average back up one day with the worse one coming of the bench seeing we will have them as a RFA. Also a lot could happen in the next two years there is always a possibility that we start grooming Vonleh to be our Center of the future. I doubt that but having a 4 and 5 combo of Zeller and Vonleh in the future could be good. I do think Vonleh will be better at the 4 though so I doubt that.

This is just me showing why I feel Vonleh being drafted wasn't the FO showing a lack of faith in Zeller and giving a few reasons why.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 27, 2014 8:29:21 PM

That Vonleh/Zeller is literally the dumbest argument I have ever seen. Vonleh was not expected to be available when the Hornets picked. When a player that talented is on the board you take him regardless of position. And it is is irrelevant where you are as a team. He is an asset. Can stay and be developed or be traded at some point. Either way he was the most valuable player on the board so you take him. It has zero to be with Zeller. No one actually believes otherwise. If they say differently, That's a good way to separate the haters from people who constructively criticizes the team.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 27, 2014 8:33:07 PM

Steve, with that comment you are now a lock for 1st ballot entry into the Boobcat Slurpers Hall of Fame.

If your thesis had any merit whatsoever why did the Celtics, Lakers and Kings all skip over the guy?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 27, 2014 9:14:56 PM

C'mon. You are joking right? Talented players have never slipped in a draft before? Why did so many teams pass on Drummond when he came out or a million other players in the past. You are either a hater or just like busting chops. Do you even know how the draft process works. Just an FYI. When it is your turn to pick. You get to take any player still on the board. LOL.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 28, 2014 7:53:29 AM

"Vonleh was not expected to be available when the Hornets picked."

Relevance?

"When a player that talented is on the board you take him regardless of position."

How good is he? Better than Zeller?

"And it is is irrelevant where you are as a team."

Nonsense. Graduates of Management for Morons think this way.

"He is an asset."

Dumb catchphrase.

"Can stay and be developed or be traded at some point."

Boobs have proven development isn't in their skillset and Clifford not on board with the strategy.

"Either way he was the most valuable player on the board so you take him."

Moron Management at it's finest.

"It has zero to be with Zeller."

Betcha Zeller thinks differently.

"No one actually believes otherwise."

I do.

"If they say differently, That's a good way to separate the haters from people who constructively criticizes the team."

Perfect illustration of Slurper Logic...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 28, 2014 8:24:31 AM

Ben .. Bj Armstrong came off the bench for Phil . W the triangle , you don't need a pass first point gd . Phil is smart . He takes the ball from the point gd and creates big to bigs passing . There probably won't ever be a true high facilitating pass first point gd in his system . BUT ......IF YOU START for Phil at the one position , you better play some defense . Shorty doesn't fit , for the reasons I outlined . Could I be wrong ? Possibly . I'm not sold by your comments on his defense . But those comments , comments of others , 704 ' s comments move me . Also , I once saw shorty in the summer league play defense . I was shocked . He does have the tools and we know Beverly is not much bigger right ? ( is he ? , not sure ) . Fischer is taller than shorty . He was stronger and just built way better to defend . Shaw and Harper were 6 ft 4 and 6 ft 6 . Phil knows the point gd is put in pick n rolls in big games and the playoffs big time . When the switch comes , he wants a big pt gd switching off on the huge center or pf as big as he can get . Shorty is not whom he has in mind . Shorty would serve himself best playing in the triangle to hide his passing in the lane and hitting the roller problems . These issues may improve but come on . When did you ever see him do in the same game any of the problem passes routinely ? Be honest . He can't .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 28, 2014 9:21:46 AM

704 . I agree w your analysis word for word about who starts and why . The deep degree of substance of some of your posts are make them great reads . Stay w us . Or at least weigh in from time to time . We don't have to deal w the constant chronic ridiculous homerism which becomes nauseating . Nastars takes care of that quickly here as you can see. Lol. So there's much less to sift thru . Lol.

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 28, 2014 9:48:42 AM

"Vonleh was not expected to be available when the Hornets picked."

Relevance?

***Relevance is that every draft pundit had him going higher. Obviously a talented player.

"When a player that talented is on the board you take him regardless of position."

How good is he? Better than Zeller?

***Talk about relevance. Had zero bearing on the pick. If he was the best player in the draft at that time you take him. Very dumb comment on your part.

"And it is is irrelevant where you are as a team."

Nonsense. Graduates of Management for Morons think this way.

***Smart. Every GM in the league will take the player that they believe is the best. You would have to be really ignorant to think otherwise.

"He is an asset."

Dumb catchphrase.

***For people that don't understand it like you.

"Can stay and be developed or be traded at some point."

Boobs have proven development isn't in their skillset and Clifford not on board with the strategy.

***The only accurate statement you have made. Not enough to not draft who you think is the best player.

"Either way he was the most valuable player on the board so you take him."

Moron Management at it's finest.

***There is only one moron and it is you if you think that is wrong. Yes. I have an idea, lets take the less talented player. That would be quite a draft room with you in it.

"It has zero to be with Zeller."

Betcha Zeller thinks differently.

***Talk about being a mental midget. Whatever team you are the GM of will never get better with that philosophy. Ooh, Zeller might not like it. Let's pass. LOL.

"No one actually believes otherwise."

I do.

***Glad to confirm how dumb you are. Really thought you had to be joking. That is even funnier now.

"If they say differently, That's a good way to separate the haters from people who constructively criticizes the team."

Perfect illustration of Slurper Logic...

***Sorry. Hit a nerve there? Obviously it is an accrate statement.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 28, 2014 10:27:41 AM

***Relevance is that every draft pundit had him going higher.

"draft pundit" opinions and $2.44 gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks -- zero relevance.


***If he was the best player in the draft at that time you take him.

Why waste a draft pick on a person/position where you already spent a #4 in the previous draft? (unless your worried about the #4)


***Smart. Every GM in the league will take the player that they believe is the best. You would have to be really ignorant to think otherwise.

Now wait a minute, you said the draft pundits had him going higher (call it #5) yet Lindsey, Ainge, Kupchak and D'Allessandro all skipped over Vonleh -- who are you hanging you hat with? GM's or "draft pundits"?


***For people that don't understand it like you.

Clearly you live in some alternative universe...Slurperland?

***The only accurate statement you have made. Not enough to not draft who you think is the best player.

What would be "enough"? Let me guess, if the Boobs drafted a player to compete with Shorty you'd disapprove?


***There is only one moron and it is you if you think that is wrong. Yes. I have an idea, lets take the less talented player. That would be quite a draft room with you in it.

The idea is to take the best player who also improves the team NOW -- are you aware the Boobs rank 25th in attendance and 29th in viewers and also lost $34 million prior to food stamps ($12 million after food stamps)?

Here: http://www.atthehive.com/2014/6/30/5858954/hornets-bobcats-2013-14-revenue-revenue-sharing-12-million-loss

***Talk about being a mental midget. Whatever team you are the GM of will never get better with that philosophy. Ooh, Zeller might not like it. Let's pass. LOL.

Would you feel the same way if a player was brought in to compete directly with Shorty or MKG?

**Glad to confirm how dumb you are. Really thought you had to be joking. That is even funnier now.

You might want to take a look around the table.

***Sorry. Hit a nerve there? Obviously it is an accrate statement.

Accurate in the alternative universe called Slurperland...

Here's what I want you to do -- put together a plan for what Vonleh needs to do in a 2-to-5 year time frame to justify the #9 pick and tell us exactly how/where Zeller fits into your plan? Got that in you?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 28, 2014 11:20:48 AM

Those are literally the worst answers I have ever seen. I know that you have to be joking. No one would believe any of that. If the best player available was a point guard or a 3 of course you take him.

Hey, let's not hurt Zeller's feelings by taking a PF. LMAO.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 28, 2014 11:34:48 AM

As expected....long on opinions, can't back them up.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 28, 2014 11:54:00 AM

Iron man opined: "Bj Armstrong came off the bench for Phil."

Oh, really?

BJ started for them for 3 years, 92-93 through 94-95, and he was an Allstar one year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/armstbj01.html

Looking over Phil's point-guards through the years, the one thing that stands out about them is three-point shooting. Not defense, not assists, not size or strength, not over-all shooting, just three-pointers. In fact their assists are routinely quite low due to the system and due to playing with a dominating, ball-handling wing player.

Kemba has improved his three-point percentage every year. It's ok now at 33.3% last year, but not particularly good. He can improve to good, I think, say 36-38%, but probably won't be elite. If he were placed in a triangle offense and mainly shot uncontested threes on pitch-outs then his % would probably rise - as it is now they come off the dribble pretty often which is a lower percentage shot.

Iron man wrote: "Shorty would serve himself best playing in the triangle to hide his passing in the lane and hitting the roller problems . These issues may improve but come on . When did you ever see him do in the same game any of the problem passes routinely ? Be honest . He can't . "

He improved so much over the course of last year, and he works so hard, that I'm optimistic he'll continue to improve and become a top ten facilitator among NBA point guards. If he just carries forward what he did the last three months of last year then he's already there.

He's got the tools. Slightly small, but with quickness and athleticism to offset that. Not the greatest court vision, but his other assets including commitment to work to improve, will let him move into the upper level, though I don't ever expect him to be an elite.

History shows you don't need an elite point guard to win championships, so I think he can be our long term answer.

Now if Stephen Curry wants to come home to Charlotte, I'd give up Kemba and a lot more to accommodate him. :)

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 28, 2014 12:27:13 PM

@NASTAR:

"Go to google maps and type in Barclays Center and that will clear up your "where was" question...pictures probably are the best route for you."

**** Yep, ok; that's what I thought. Immature; no substance to the answer.

Cheers, mate. Good luck.

Posted by: the Dude | Aug 28, 2014 12:45:54 PM

Can't back them up? OK clown. No one her is longer on opinions than you. and with absolutely no actual information on anything.

Wait. Let me call Cody Zeller and see if he is OK with the Hornets drafting a PF. Hey, let's take Drummond. Yea I know we don't need a center. But wait...look at all the other teams that didn't want him. Stop. Don't draft him. Amazing there are people this stupid in the world. Well. I guess it is the only way to separate the intelligent ones.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 28, 2014 3:30:42 PM

Steve -- put together a plan for what Vonleh needs to do in a 2-to-5 year time frame to justify the #9 pick and tell us exactly how/where Zeller fits into your plan.

Dude, he asked "where"...the exact answer to "where" is the Barclays Center. Ask and ye shall receive ;)

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 28, 2014 7:05:49 PM

Ben .. Find one game . Just one game in the playoffs where Kemba threw a back door pass , a lob or alley oop , one dime in transition or two plays where he hit rollers . Find one game . After you can't , find one game in the last month which was the height of his passing where he did this once . Again , anyone can stand at the arc and pass to another open player around the arc or throw it into Jefferson . Kemba touches the ball more than anyone in the league or close but his assists oer 100 possessions are not what the other good players are . But let's say that's not true . The real assists which are at the rim create easy buckets for teammates . That's why they're so valuable . Plus , you get and ones which adds points , weakens defenses and defenders and gets teams in the bonus . Then players play harder . There's not a better way to get them to play harder . And never will be . Average players look sooooo much better . Look at Neal here and w the Spurs . Look how Kwai gets his points . From Duncan , Ginobli , Parker and DIAW all passing to him inside and out . Some of this is Clifford's fault but still Kembas failure too bc he's got the ball in his hands and never or rarely throws any of these passes . You will have proof positive when you scour the games stats and never find a game throwing two of these passes in a game let alone two different at the rim passes twice in one game . The top guys can dial it up when needed . Any kind . Kemba can't bc it's not a skillset of his . Never talk about assists again . It's at the rim assists w him . He doesn't throw them . When he does w any regularity ESP in the crunch , you won't hear a peep from me . If you sit w guys that play first having seen him , they all too the man lodge the same complaints . Clifford lies and protects his players . He did sit Kemba down when he first came here to show him he wasn't hitting the roller . Nothing much has changed . Clifford , tries to see some silver lining in Jeffersons defense too but you and I know he's lying thru his teeth . He's doing g the same w Kemba . That's why they brought in a facilitator in the back ct at the wing position . They know he can't imorove to any appreciable level . And McRoberts sucked on defense horribly and was only a back up player at pf . It's better to have a player closer in so cutters can be hit easier . McRoberts held the ball too long at times and passed from the arc which is harder and easier to be picked off . It's amazing he coukd do it. Think Kidd or Majic . Lance will be inside the arc throwing dimes . Zeller should be at the foul line doing the same like Gasol .

Posted by: Iron man | Aug 28, 2014 11:17:08 PM

In game 4 of the playoffs Kemba dropped 29 and 5. 3 of his 5 assists were at the rim. None of them were anything special, or difficult passes though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHz-DYQp94

1:05 transition pass to Mcbob, 1:37 bounce to Biz crowded by 2 or 3 guys (I'm suprised Biz caught it and didn't travel, lol Biz is improving.) 3:20 games basically over, Heat weren't trying easy pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymuV2WKHgl4

Game 1 Kemba dropped 20 and 6. Link ^

.5 second in, they'll play it in slow mo after. That's something Kemba just added to his arsenal. In 12-13 or during the beginning of the year he would have forced that trying to draw a foul. Mark Price has been teaching him well. That pass was nice, towards the end of the year he was good for one DID HE JUST DO THAT type of pass a game. That's that Mark price and Mcbob rubbing off on him.
2:35 Kemba gets in the paint circles around and hits Mcbob for a 3. He had another pass a few second before where he hit Big Al rolling with a nice pass for a lay up but you only see big al make the lay up and the commenters say pretty finish and pass at 2:27.

I can't find the highlight for game 2 and 3 but Kemba has some nice passes game 2. That game showed his growth of hitting guys in their spots, and at the right times. He was hitting MKG with the ball perfectly on the cut, before the defense had to adjust all game, it didn't so much pay off in to many assists but his overall pg improvement was pretty nice that game. I don't know why coach didn't have them utilize MKG the same way they did the next game.

Check out this highlight vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2DkK34_n5c

At 10:12 was one of his best passes of the season. That's a new addition. Check out from 9:38 on at he has a nice one to MKG and one to Mcbob next. Also check out 10:17 that pass to Biz, that a Kemba regular now. I like that pass because Biz atcually caught the ball.I think that's something Price taught him, because he does that one with Big Al quite often or did toward the end of the season. Check the last play to Mcbob, that pass was nice, I got so hype when he made that one live, I was surprised he could even make a pass like that. In 12-13 he didn't have these types of passes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3UpTQf7BTM

This is the link to part two of his highlight tape. Check out 6:38 this is a must win game for us. We ended up blowing at the end up 3 a couple seconds left. Coach called a time out. I swore he was going to tell the team whatever you do don't foul on a 3, and don't give up a 3. Well we come out and they give the ball to Afflalo, hendo's guarding him and Big Baby sets a screen. Hendo runs under the screen and Afflalo pulls up for wide open 3 and we ended up losing in OT. The pass is nice though. Check out 7:02 that a decent no look pass, it's not the best, it was kind of dangerous, but I like seeing him take chances to complete passes. At 7:08 he has a nice move to draw Hendo's man then hits him with the kick out for 3. Basically just watch from 6:38 on. Their are some nice ones in there.

Next season will be a very big season for Kemba to see if he will pick up where he left off in terms of passing at the end of this season.
Can he and will he build on his passing?
Will he continue to improve defensively?
He showed he can defend when he wants to. Can he play intense D the whole game?
Can he increase his efficiency 2 pt% and 3 pt%?
Can he get those assist up to a minimum of 6.5 and hopefully to at least 7 per?

If he can channel the 7.4, 7.5, or the 8.5 for a year I'll be surprised and very happy, because that means he's basically a real PG, but with Lance here sharing ball handling duties, and having an advantage in terms of passing with his size making it easier to run the P/R and to dish it out in the paint, I'm expecting Kemba to lose opportunities. With all this I've formed my expectations of 6.5-7 apg to be a realistic range next season.

Posted by: HornetsCBack704 | Aug 29, 2014 3:52:07 AM

Steve, working on that plan? Remember it's a zero sum game with the PF minutes...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Aug 29, 2014 10:08:44 AM

704, thank you for documenting those great passes, including at the rim.

Iron man, that's what I call a burn.

Posted by: BenjaminG | Aug 29, 2014 10:32:04 AM

Iron Man and NASTAR have been absolutely smoked on this thread. Have to believe most people just don't have the time to refute these jokers on a regular basis. Shows what would happen if they did.

Posted by: Mike T. | Aug 29, 2014 11:19:36 AM

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