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November 22, 2014

Hornets injuries: MKG likely out rest of month; Hairston still out with a sprained ankle

It sounds unlikely that Charlotte Hornets small forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist will play the rest of November while recovering from a stress reaction in his right foot.

            Hornets coach Steve Clifford told the Observer Saturday he isn’t counting on Kidd-Gilchrist being back before the Dec. 3 home game against the Chicago Bulls. Kidd-Gilchrist has missed the past four games after a magnetic resonance imaging in Phoenix Nov. 13 showed evidence of a stress reaction.

            A stress reaction is a precursor to a stress fracture. The MRI showed weakening of the bone structure, but does not yet show evidence of a fracture.

            Kidd-Gilchrist said the day after his MRI that he wanted to be extremely careful to avoid this becoming a stress fracture. The Hornets are taking the same approach.

“We’re lucky that he said something (about feeling pain) because if he gets a stress fracture we’re in deep trouble,” Clifford said. “I think that is why they’re being very careful.”

            The Hornets will also be without shooting guard P.J. Hairston for Sunday’s road game against the Miami Heat and probably Monday’s home game against the Los Angeles Clippers.

            Hairston has a sprained ankle and Clifford said he’s probably two or three days away from playing. The Hornets play five games in seven nights starting Sunday in Miami.

Posted by Observer Sports on November 22, 2014 at 01:41 PM | Permalink

Comments

How can a coach fail to address the same problems which cause losses : too much Al making the offense stagnant . Kemba getting taken inside in crunch and destroyed . Lance n Kembas perimeter shooting which is horrific . Lance n .kembas lazy ass defense , playing only at times . No execution in crunch which starts w finding pick n roll partners . The weak defense of the role players , each and every one causing constant loss of leads and teams getting hot : Neal , Roberts n Pj . No transition buckets , up tempo game and motion offense .

These are the causes of losses . But Clifford whom I love n respect won't make the heavy decisions .

The main one that will eat n cut into many of the issues is bringing Lance off the bench . What he does well is not what the need outside of facilitating which is reduced by his turnovers .

He can't shoot , can't cover sgs or sfs who are active and we don't need his rebounding . If he actually stayed home , the Hornets would improve by subtraction .

Now you see why the Pacers collapsed for two months and why Hibbert is excelling now . He's freed of Lance .

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 22, 2014 4:35:27 PM

the offense isn't even the problem here. we're scoring the ball. it can be improved no doubt (kemba shooting less and playing like he did in the first quarter more) but this is ALL about defense, strategy, matchups, etc. and clifford doesn't get those things at all.

lance is in a shooting slump but he has a track record of shooting the ball well. he is absolutely THE playmaker for the team. and our offense has improved because of it, even with him shooting horribly. he's career 46% from the field and at 37% right now. return to the mean is in order.


try this on for size.....per 36 biz is at 12.2/15.6/5.1 right now. i mean what a bust of a 22 yr old big man. put maxiell in!


mkg is showing his value in ANOTHER losing streak occurring while he's out. 2-5 with him out. 8-12 last year without him (half of those 8 wins coming with taylor in the lineup).

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 22, 2014 4:48:50 PM

Very disappointed in the coach. Biz needs to play more. It is painfully obvious. I can't believe people are making excuses for him. Why because if his one year track record?

Posted by: Alan | Nov 22, 2014 5:04:26 PM

ironman, seriously what the eff dude. indiana is 5-7 right now. roy hibbert is at 14/8/3 on 47% from the field. right on par for his career numbers per 36.

and alan you're right. when in nba history have you seen a guy get 6 blocks in 12 minutes and then get taken out of the game and not return? the whole team was feeding off of his energy, too. he goes out the game and that was as good as putting a green light in front of the basket for orlando.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 22, 2014 5:15:09 PM

Anyone here know NASTAR? Maybe there is a reason for his fixation on slurping. Of course I am assuming it is a guy. Maybe not. Then not as much of a big deal. Either way probably childhood based trauma. The way he treats the coach, there might be something going on there. I believe Clifford is single so it is possible.

Posted by: Real | Nov 22, 2014 6:19:00 PM

Hey Rick,

How about this, since the NBA no longer recognizes Centers for the all star ballot, until we have a player with all-star skills in the positions that really matter in this league SF, SG, and PG (not to be confused with Point-God), let's discontinue this blog or eliminate comments; thus ending the debates. Al is a good PF (and at times a beast), I will give him that; but PF's do not dominate this league.

The team will continue to be shyt in a shyty division. Either we purchase a quality player in one of the aforementioned all-star positions, or we cough cough cough...draft one.

Until then, I (and everyone else) should change their televisions to observe the Western Conference teams/games and enjoy NCAA football playoff run.

To the Hornets front office, I will rethink my position of giving you my discretionary time and money in the New year.

Posted by: 4uuu | Nov 22, 2014 7:50:40 PM

WOW ,LOTS OF NBA COACHES LIVE IN THE AREA

Posted by: Grace Brown | Nov 22, 2014 9:03:31 PM

Lance and Kemba go 3 for 14 in the 4 th and the offense isn't a problem ? And you know Biz couldn't put those numbers up in 36 minutes . Like Barkley said , there's a reason a guy is playing 14 minutes a game .

Lance is shooting 22 n 37 and you expect him to return to mean ? He's playing w the biggest ball hog and ball stopper of all time in the nba . Then he has to rip the ball from his back ct mates hands who's trying to make it to the allstar game worse than he is . He's not playing w great players at almost every position like in Indy . And there's no offense here for him other than late clock shot one on one crumbs given up by Al . Wishful thinking here . Lance is not emerging better than Neal and everyone knows it .

And bringing up the Pacers record to me is an insult under the conditions they play under w half the team out . Hibbert balled for 18 n 11 against Al dominating the paint w 3 blocks . They won btw . Don't tell me he's not more inspired wo the clown Lance in the lineup .

Posted by: Ironman | Nov 22, 2014 9:12:17 PM

''....per 36 biz is at 12.2/15.6/5.1 right now."

Shocker. But no one gives the kid a chance.

Posted by: the Dude | Nov 22, 2014 10:13:27 PM

"A stress reaction is a precursor to a stress fracture. The MRI showed weakening of the bone structure, but does not yet show evidence of a fracture."

Told you so.

""....per 36 biz is at 12.2/15.6/5.1 right now."

Shocker. But no one gives the kid a chance.""

Against the 3rd team.

Drones, what's the solution?

Real, kinda funny that unsolicited you go on a rant about moi.....waddup? Is the truth costing you sleep?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 12:11:13 AM

Yes. The truth that you are into "slurping" is a bit disturbing and it does make me uncomfortable. Whatever your personal preferences, it would be great if you kept them off this blog and to yourself. I know all types of people are into basketball, but I don't need to know that much detail about you,

Posted by: Real | Nov 23, 2014 7:06:56 AM

I just see Kemba fade in the 4th quarter. Watching that comeback from Orlando shows that all they did at the end was to put 3 people around Al and he gives up the ball...pretty funny! Is there not anybody else open!!

Posted by: ACCW | Nov 23, 2014 9:23:43 AM

I told you what the solution is 10 times already, nimrod.

Give the kid more playing time and invest the development you'd knew you have to put into a raw draft prospect before trading him or letting a #7 walk for nothing.

Posted by: the Dude | Nov 23, 2014 9:33:47 AM

Dude, he started 106 of his first 143 games including 65 of 80 in year 2 and close to 30mins/game playing time that year...

...not sure how anyone can argue he didn't have a chance to develop.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 9:39:28 AM

^^^sure because most players peak when they are 22.

This guy is a typical troll. Asks for solutions and offers none and will accept none. Only thing that makes him atypical is the amount of time he has and commits to spend commenting on a team he despises. It really is funny and sad at the same time. The Hornets are a dysfunctional bunch no doubt. But the incessant troll commentary from someone with an obvious disorder is ironic.

Posted by: Alan | Nov 23, 2014 10:17:42 AM

SvG's team is one of the worst shooting teams in the league as well. Looks like the apple does not fall far from the tree. The league has caught up to both of these guys. There are not to many of these dinosaurs left in the NBA but appears we have one. Watching the way these other coaches adjust to us is painful.

Think Miami will adjust their game plan from the last game against us?

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Nov 23, 2014 10:29:04 AM

"^^^sure because most players peak when they are 22."

Stop dwelling on "age 22"... Heck we don't even know how old he really is, could be 26 or 27.

The issue is he's now in his 4th year in the league -- that's all that matters.

On the NFL pre-game Keyshwan Johnson was just discussing the case of Robert Griffin and related a story about what Bill Parcells told him when he came into the league:

Year 1 -- "son we are going to let you chill and learn the ropes"

Year 2 -- "we expect you to be contributing and continuing to progress and hone your skills"

Year 3 -- "we expect you to be firing on all cylinders"

Year 4 -- "if you aren't at your best by this point I have to figure out what to do with you"

Keyshawn went on to elaborate that "what to do with you" included (i) trading, (ii) cutting, (iii) demoting to special teams only...

Alan, why all the name calling and personal attacks?


Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 10:37:27 AM

Not name calling. I think that was a accurate depiction. Good way for you to spend a Sunday or pretty much every day of the week. I will let you get back to the business at hand. Go forth troll. Enjoy your lofty pursuits!

Posted by: Alan | Nov 23, 2014 11:52:33 AM

LOL....you feel better having gotten that off your chest....hope so ;0)

What of the observations Keyshawn made? Any opinion?

And Bizfumble? 4 years in and 115 starts under his belt...how long does he get? Forever?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 12:07:47 PM

NASTAR. You really will use anything to "attempt" to make a point, comparisons to an NFL QB? There are just as many or more examples of players that needed time to develop. Maybe we should use examples from baseball. Biyombo is producing in the minutes he is given. There is no doubt. Does he fit the coaches system? Would have to ask the coach. But stop pretending the guy can't play. His rebounding and block shot numbers would have him in the rotation on most team. And don't blame "midget management", he was drafted before this coach arrived. We get it. You don't like the Hornets. But this stuff just makes you look ignorant.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Nov 23, 2014 12:08:21 PM

Why not an NFL QB or WR (in Keyshawn's case)?

"His rebounding and block shot numbers would have him in the rotation on most team."

Name 5. Sixers don't count.

"And don't blame "midget management", he was drafted before this coach arrived."

Midget Management drafted him so who else are we to blame?

"Biyombo is producing in the minutes he is given."

He's playing against scrubs...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 12:19:19 PM

"Does he fit the coaches system? Would have to ask the coach."

Seriously? You'd need to ask the coach to divine the answer here?

The fact that he either doesn't play or is 9th or 10th off the bench isn't a hint for you?

Could you be more clueless?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 12:22:19 PM

Who cares if Biz is playing against scrubs? He doesn't choose the competition he goes against. He is more effective against those scrubs than Maxiell, so what's your point?

Put him in the game when Al needs rest. Period.

Posted by: DK220 | Nov 23, 2014 1:44:19 PM

"Who cares if Biz is playing against scrubs?"

Slurper drones sure don't care....

"He is more effective against those scrubs than Maxiell, so what's your point?"

What's your point? I never interjected Maxiell into the discussion.

Do you think it's some kind of big win if Bizfumble outplays Maxiell? WOOHOO! Lookee there, our #7 who can't catch, dribble or shoot is outplaying the lowest paid player on the team - WOOHOOO!

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 2:33:46 PM

Every team needs a back up center don't they? Who the hell is he supposed to play against. At 22 backing up an all NBA player is not bad. The argument is that he should be getting more minutes. You would really have to pretty ignorant to argue against that based on us minutes. But there you go.....

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Nov 23, 2014 5:43:34 PM

Absolutely every team needs a backup center and that's probably a realistic role for Biz now and over the long haul.

No doubt he comes in fired up, full of energy, and can be disruptive. As for the minutes, seems like 10-15 a game would be about right while spelling Al.

It's the expectations by The Deluded that somehow he's going to morph into the next Ben Wallace that are just insanely crazy...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 5:52:19 PM

Good. So we have agreement he deserves more minutes. That also means the coach could be doing a better job with his rotations. We have just resolved two major issues here and made some serious progress.

Posted by: Season Ticket Holder | Nov 23, 2014 6:07:09 PM

"Dude, he started 106 of his first 143 games including 65 of 80 in year 2 and close to 30mins/game playing time that year...

...not sure how anyone can argue he didn't have a chance to develop."

I hear ya, mate. But that's not recognizing the fact that the front office had absolutely no illusions on how extremely raw the kid was, but the upside that he possesses.
Throw in the coaching/management carousel the kid has been on, and the fact that he has shown improvement this year in only a few games off the DNP-CD list.

Posted by: the Dude | Nov 23, 2014 6:10:55 PM

As for the "he's only 22" nonsense....Anthony Davis is only 21 and the other night he put up 43 points and 14 rebounds going 16-23 from field and 11-12 from line.

This study suggests players peak at 24 so the time to get busy is right now for Biz!

http://wagesofwins.com/nba-players-age-like-milk/

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 6:16:54 PM

there is no debate about biz among the people with brains.

he's already had big games in starter minutes. he's shown consistent improvement from year 1 to year 4.

meanwhile jefferson is stopping what exactly? you clowns said the exact same things about MKG these last 2 years. even all summer after the guy had an incredible playoff game for a kid of his age.

across the league.....the successful players are older. there's a decent sample size of about 400 players every year for decades that proves that. complaining about a 19-24 year old not being perfect is like complaining about rain. it's natural and expected. why the eff are you complaining about it?

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 23, 2014 6:24:52 PM

Regardless of the outcome of the game, it's nice to see Clifford making some adjustments. Moved Al to the opposite block with Henderson in the corner. Had lance leading the second unit surrounded by Roberts and Neal. Just like I requested. Now he needs to reinsert Henderson with the starters. Lance does not fit with that group. Coach is all almost there. Probably won't do what he needs to down the stretch to win but at least it is a step in the right direction.p

Posted by: Real | Nov 23, 2014 6:56:57 PM

"there is no debate about biz among the people with brains."

You got that right.

"he's already had big games in starter minutes. "

Oh yeah, when? 65 starts in year 2, the best he ever did was a single solitary 14 point game. Scored 8 or fewer points in 69 games that year.

"he's shown consistent improvement from year 1 to year 4."

Coach Cliff doesn't seem to agree.

"you clowns said the exact same things about MKG these last 2 years. even all summer after the guy had an incredible playoff game for a kid of his age."

1 game? You're the same guy who suggested Biz had it "figured out" when he started the season 8-10 from the line, right?

"across the league.....the successful players are older. there's a decent sample size of about 400 players every year for decades that proves that."

Only 360 players dress in the NBA. Where are you pulling this "400 players" number from, thin air?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 7:54:45 PM

Guy just can't coach with the game on the line.

Posted by: Real | Nov 23, 2014 8:28:04 PM

The ball stayed in one guys hand. Had nothing against Kemba till now that was FING just boneheaded!

Posted by: DSHTG!! | Nov 23, 2014 8:32:32 PM

"Regardless of the outcome of the game, it's nice to see Clifford making some adjustments."

So we are now reduced to counting moral victories?

No point guard, no execution of the play/plan.

For all the drones who predicted 50+ wins (and there were a lot of you) the Boobs have to go 47-21 the rest of the way to get there...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 8:34:59 PM

nastar i know you're really dumb but i expect you to be able to multiply 15 x 30 teams to get 450. I took 50 off of that because roster sizes were smaller previously.


and yeah dude can't coach. and like i said all summer....chalmers is better than kemba. we just spent 12 a year on kemba and miami has a bigger better pg who plays defense, scores efficiently, and he's getting 4 million a year. and he has all the clutch gene kemba has, too.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 23, 2014 8:45:56 PM

"Teams in the National Basketball Association must reduce their Active List to a maximum of 12 players the day before the beginning of the NBA season."

http://www.nba.com/analysis/00421026.html

Want to revisit your math?

Again, only 360 dress in the NBA.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 8:53:42 PM

In close games going down the stretch, Kemba is killing the Hornets on both end of the court!!! Whoever Kemba is guarding is driving the ball down his throat. The Magic got on a roll on Friday night and came back to win by taking it to Kemba. On offense, Kemba goes one on one and just forget he has any teammates. He takes bad jump shots or drives the lane and get his shot blocked. Cody was going to set a pick for Kemba late in the game against the Heat. Kemba waved him off, went one on one, got stuck and had to take another bad shot. Clifford is going to have get the ball out of Kemba's hand and get it to Lance. At least Lance has a chance of finishing in the lane or passing the ball or.

Posted by: Jon | Nov 23, 2014 8:55:16 PM

"As for the "he's only 22" nonsense....Anthony Davis is only 21 and the other night he put up 43 points and 14 rebounds going 16-23 from field and 11-12 from line."

....omg, you really don't know what you're talking about.

I should have given up when you had your "google earth/ask and ye shall receive" when you couldn't back up something you said that I called ya out on.

Troll on. I'm ignoring the post from here.

Posted by: the Dude | Nov 23, 2014 9:54:25 PM

Are you saying AD didn't score 43 the other night? Or are you saying he's not really 21 years of age? Or are you saying we really don't know how old Bizfumble is?

Refresh my memory on what you "called me out on"...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 23, 2014 10:05:06 PM

nba active rosters are 13 you moron. it hasn't been 12 for a few years now. guys get injured. the guys that aren't playing are mostly the young guys which is exactly my point. you've never been able to get the hang of those facts things. the minute distribution in the nba among competing teams is skewed heavily toward veteran players. that's statistically factual, not debatable.

there's always one exceptional young talent like a lebron or durant who take the league by storm while young (davis is kind of in that boat right now) but the teams that win have starting 5's in their late 20's early 30's. how many games has davis won? how old was lebron when he won a championship? jordan? hakeem? how about durant?

show me some successful starting 5's who featured 3 guys 22 or under as we would if we started biz, zeller, and mkg right now. (not to mention kemba being 24)

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 6:15:05 AM

for the slow kid....

in the league and not playing = a significant statistic when talking about "who is gets the minutes in the nba, young guys or old guys?"

guy on a d-league stint clocking dnps.....significant.
noah vonleh rocking a suit, dnp - significant.
reggie bullock clocking 3 minutes or garbage time - significant.

you might want to learn SOMETHING before talking. this is elementary statistics. like 8th grade ish we're talking about.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 7:08:13 AM

"nba active rosters are 13..."

Damn, that sucks for me, thought it was 12.

So, again, show me the math behind your 400/450 numbers?

"show me some successful starting 5's who featured 3 guys 22 or under as we would if we started biz, zeller, and mkg right now. (not to mention kemba being 24)"

I certainly never suggested starting Biz, Zeller & MKG was a good idea. Now I'm sure you "development" guys would like that...

...but the issue is, and the fact remains, Biz has been given p-l-e-n-t-y of opportunity and meaningful playing time and the role he has secured for himself is as a spot duty guy, #8 or #9 (sometimes #10) in the rotation.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 9:03:15 AM

And BTW, if you want to talk about statistical significance/merit, by all means let's do so!

"it hasn't been 12 for a few years now."

False. Was temporarily increased to help teams during lockout shortened season, the change was made permanent at the end of that season. That's exactly 2 seasons...."a few" would indicate 3 or more.

So, the dataset would only include two seasons where dressed rosters were 13 (last year and the lockout season) and the data for one of those seasons is tainted (lockout) so really we only have one good season of data on 13-man dressed rosters.

Now being a good statistician you'd never draw conclusions on one datapoint would you? You'd want to look at 15 or 20 years of data the predominance of which was drawn from 12-man dressed rosters, wouldn't you?

Oh yeah, you wouldn't....(i) constantly citing 1 good playoff game by MKG, (ii) floated a "he has it figured out" when Biz started 8-10 from the line...LOL.


Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 9:53:55 AM

PS....and of course I understand that AD is the exception, not the rule.

I did that on purpose vs. Biz just to get a rise out of the slurper drones.

It is akin to them citing one bad game by Chris Paul as argument that Shorty is CP3's equal.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 9:59:04 AM

You do realize the lockout was 3 years ago, right?

By all means, keep saying dumb ish. Look up how many teams had rosters under 14 over the last 10 years. It is statistically significant that guys like vonleh aren't playing. That is exactly what we are talking about.

If they had a good 10 day contract, they count too.

Biz has played well the last 2 seasons. Factual evidence exists of that. So you are judging him off of 18-20 in his first 2 years. You did the same thing with mkg. You probably think bennett is a bust too. And noel. And vonleh.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 10:38:35 AM

Damn that is another fail on my part! Kind of like plane crashes.....rarely happen but seem to cluster when they do.

That said, doesn't change the argument on statistical significance. What matters is how many players are dressed in a uniform and on the bench available to play. There are 2 seasons of data at 13....and many many at 12.

The numbers 450 and 400 are statistically irrelevant in the example you cite.

"Biz has played well the last 2 seasons."

You keep saying that but Biz keeps moving farther and farther down the bench and his minutes keep shrinking...

...obviously someone important disagrees.

Through 14 games his minutes are down 66%++ vs. last year...if he were playing well that wouldn't be the case.

13 minutes last night and he was. 0-for everything. Literally the only stats he put up were 2 T/O, 1 PF, 1 STL.

Real big Impact there.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 11:59:35 AM

again, there are 3 seasons at 13. lockout year, dunlap year, last year. and you're talking about for individual games. it isn't 13 active all season. they dress 13 each game. so it changes.

it is absolutely (without any ounce of doubt or room for debate) statistically significant that most of those roster spots who don't play, go to a higher amount of young guys than old guys (excluding injuries which is the predominant cause of dnps). 26-32 year olds are considered in their prime, not 18-22 year olds. the guys are still on the roster and eligible to play. the coach picks who is active and who isn't every night. therefore......if the 18-22 yr olds were better, they would always get a jersey at the very least. they aren't. and they don't. and that isn't to say they aren't talented.....they just haven't grown up yet. that's why the teams with young stars don't win (sacramento all these years, new orleans the last 2, now watch minnesota who is stacked with elite young talent, orlando, etc. etc.). the guys grow up and they start winning. same thing happened in OKC and portland. you have to let the guys grow up. and historically, they don't grow up on their own....they have to play and figure it out on the court little by little. that's why biz is so much better today than he was 3 years ago as a rookie.

and you are like this dude i know of who crashed his plane on landing one time. survived. got the plane fixed at that airport......went to go pick it up and fly it back home and crashed it on take off and died. some people just shouldn't be flying planes. that's you dude. stop trying. you aren't good at it.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 1:42:03 PM

The data from the lockout year is tainted, that one doesn't count.

I'm not arguing your general premise, what I'm telling you is if you ended up at the correct conclusion it was coincidental -- not because of a statistically rigorous examination of the issue.

Again, think about the 450/400 numbers you threw out there...

...walk us through the math.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 1:54:35 PM

"the guys grow up and they start winning. same thing happened in OKC and portland. you have to let the guys grow up. and historically, they don't grow up on their own....they have to play and figure it out on the court little by little."

How long should this take? At what point do you cut your losses on a player?

"that's why biz is so much better today than he was 3 years ago as a rookie."

Better at what?!? LOL...

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 1:57:04 PM

fg %, rebound %, team defense, offensive skill set.

did you not remember the euro step? http://www.nba.com/video/games/grizzlies/2014/03/08/0021300930-cha-mem-play2.nba/

of course not, you don't actually watch the games.

this isn't complicated.....30 times 15.

if paul george gets hurt, and then george hill gets hurt..........doesn't that mean 2 guys who were or would have been inactive are now active? vonleh has been active the last several games since mkg went down and taylor has been inactive all year. so vonleh has been active.......yet still not playing for several games now.

this isn't rocket science. name the superstars who won championships as rookies. even duncan was 22 when he won his first, but he was the young guy. robinson was the star. same with parker 22 and he was the young guy. duncan was the star.

jermaine o'neal did nothing (or didn't get a chance) until he was 22/23.

people used to criticize the pau gasol for marc gasol swap as being a 1 sided deal. until marc grew up came over and grew up some more. noah did nothing until he was 25ish. now look at his reputation.

tyson chandler? didn't average double figures until he was 25 and even still, his career high ppg is 11.8. and rebounds is 12.4. biz could post those numbers THIS year.

it isn't debatable what he can and can't do. dude is not a good free throw shooter. he's not a go-to offensive player. he is an elite defender/rebounder. have you ever seen a guy have 6 blocks in 12 minutes like he did the other night and then the coach keep him out of the 4th quarter while the other team runs a layup line to blow a 15 point lead that was 22 at one point? biz can flat out play. he is not shaq. he's not duncan. he's noah/wallace/rodman/mutumbo/deandre jordan/tyson chandler and those guys WIN. al jefferson's don't.

there is a really long list of guys who didn't do anything from 18-24 and all of a sudden were dope. kyle lowry. goran dragic. chauncey billups. ben wallace. petrovic came over at age 25 and it took him a few years to get it and he was one of the best scorers in the league before he died. he had 3 seasons of nothing before he broke out.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 4:38:58 PM

"fg %, rebound %, team defense, offensive skill set."

He's gone from starting and playing against starters to almost exclusively mop up time -- obviously the comparisons are going to look better, but are they?

If he is so much better why does he continue to slide to the right on the bench and get fewer and fewer minutes?

"this isn't complicated.....30 times 15."

For a statistically rigorous analysis that is not where you'd start.

Try again.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 5:25:50 PM

dude you can't grasp how to get to 450.

and you clearly don't know what mop up duty means.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 9:23:40 PM

Oh I know how you got to 450 but there's no statistical rationale behind it...

...try again.

You did want to discuss statistics, right?

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 9:42:00 PM

let me get extremely elementary for the slow kid.

every roster of 15 (specifically those that win):
player 1-5 play 30 mpg
players 6-10 play 18 mpg
players 11-15 play 0 mpg

the fact that players 11-15 are more likely to be young and players 1-5 more likely to be old is PROVEN by how teams use all 15 roster spots. coach chooses who is inactive (assuming all are healthy) so there's no difference between player 13 getting an active dnp-cd and players 14 and 15 getting inactive dnp-cds. it's the exact same choice by the coach.

you can't form an analysis of the make up of players who don't play by not including the players that don't play. you are insanely moronic.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 24, 2014 10:42:15 PM

"you can't form an analysis of the make up of players who don't play by not including the players that don't play."

LOL...the point of your exercise (or so you said) was to analyze who IS playing, and how much...vs. their age. Who isn't playing is irrelevant.

Try again.

HINT: 450 & 400 are not relevant numbers.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 24, 2014 11:21:16 PM

the point was BOTH genius. comparing those who play vs those who do not and identify the trend on both sides.


if all old guys played and all old guys sat.......then the point that old guys are playing isn't valid. if most old guys play and most young guys sit, you have a trend. and more importantly the trend is that the teams that win have higher age per minute than the teams that do not.

this isn't an opinion.

Posted by: charlottean | Nov 25, 2014 12:55:11 AM

Don't ever bring up statistics again piker because you would know Poisson from Gauss if they walked up and introduced themselves.

Posted by: NASTAR99 | Nov 25, 2014 7:06:25 AM

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