April 04, 2015
Charlotte Hornets update on injuries to Al Jefferson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
The Charlotte Hornets aren’t ready to rule center Al Jefferson out for the season just yet.
Coach Steve Clifford raised the possibility Friday in Indianapolis that Jefferson’s on-going right knee soreness could scratch him from the team’s remaining seven games. While Jefferson will be out against the Philadelphia 76ers, Clifford said pre-game Saturday that the franchise will keep an open mind to playing Jefferson at least until the Hornets are eliminated from the playoff race.
In Jefferson’s absence tonight Clifford will start Bismack Biyombo at center and use Jason Maxiell as Biyombo’s backup. With Cody Zeller still out at power forward, Marvin Williams will again start with rookie Noah Vonleh as his backup.
As to the Hornets’ other significant injury, Clifford said small forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist’s left ankle is still quite swollen. Clifford had previously said the earliest Kidd-Gilchrist might play would be Tuesday in Miami. But based on the ongoing swelling, it’s hard to picture Kidd-Gilchrist playing against the Heat or at home Wednesday against the Toronto Raptors.
The Hornets started Saturday in 11th place in the Eastern Conference and are running out of games to make up ground on eighth place. Sixers coach Brett Brown, a good friend of Clifford’s, put the Hornets’ situation this way: “I think they’re desperate. Their hour glass is running out.”
Posted by Observer Sports on April 4, 2015 at 05:52 PM | Permalink
Al's knee injury kept getting worse, from one game to another. He can't help the team in his current condition.
Instead of thinking of playing him again, he needs to be seen ASAP by a specialist (or, by more than one), to determine if, towards next season, all he needs is rest, or surgery. Every year, you see players who decide to have all kinds of surgery either before training camp begins, or shortly before the season starts, or shortly after it started. It never makes sense, and it should always be prevented.
Biz can start, and there can be time for Vonleh in the rotation now.
This season was wrecked by injuries, from beginning to end. People who really know this league know that this is nothing new, or special. Other franchises have been through this, in past seasons and in this one too.
Of course, there was the rough scheduling too (the high number of back-to-backs, plus sequences of 5 games in 7 days), plus Lance not playing well with the starters; this had to be tried, and it was tried before he was injured. Hendo does much better as starting SG than Lance did. But Lance is better with the second unit than any other wing reserve.
From two starters out, plus one badly hobbled by his injury, we'll have to go to playing with three starters out for the rest of the season; then Mo, playing injured and not at his best either.
It is what it is, Big AL can't help the team make the playoffs at this point, let's not be deluded by any sort of wishful thinking. It's better to have him take care of his health, and let the young players do their very best in the seven games left.
Posted by: Sandy | Apr 4, 2015 6:42:59 PM
NASTAR. I criticize the team, but you are just a malcontent loser. Anyone that dares point out a positive is a "slurper"? Biyombo had a decent game against the Pacers when the rest of the team didn't show up. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge it just shows what you really are. Just a d bag troll. I have seen people allude to your motivations. Clearly there are some, but I don't really care. Anyone that does what you do everyday is simply an a hole. The reasons are irrelevant. Wow. I am NASTAR...an anonymous Hornets troll. Your parents must be so proud.
Posted by: Real | Apr 4, 2015 7:59:09 PM
Well, lets face facts. Al is on the other side of 30, listed as a generous 6'10" and carries 290 pounds up and down the court and has since High School. He's got a lot of miles on the tires. I am a medical provider and I can tell you when chronic lower extremity injuries happen e.g plantar fasciitis ( last year) groin strain/knee injury this year, it's a bad sign
Posted by: Percy Hargrove | Apr 4, 2015 8:03:59 PM
I think it is a good sign. Needs to come of the bench next year.
Posted by: Jim | Apr 4, 2015 8:11:58 PM
our playoff odds go way up if jefferson stays out.
my hunch is that we get back in the mix, get down to the final 2 games or so and jefferson comes back and we come up short.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 4, 2015 10:34:10 PM
And yes. NASTAR is a d bag troll. You just figuring that out?
Posted by: Mike | Apr 5, 2015 12:20:35 AM
When is it going to finally dawn on this franchise that you do not need Al ? He's a cancer . The team will find a way to win w their incredible defense which is the best in the world wo him . They will keep the other team to one less point . They are the best defense by two metrics . It will take a while to regain the proper ball movement and man movement wo him .
Once you add a two way center who screens and passes scoring about 12 a game to compliment Biz , the team will be much much better than w him under any circumstances. Any . The players play harder on DEfense wo him . They also get to be engaged in the offense damn near every play . Everything will begin to bloom from there : ball movement , confidence . Shooting per centages . Uptempo . Higher scoring .
There cannot be any discussion about next yr w Al . Zero . He's a monster unleashed on this team and has to go . The defense of Philly was tuff as nails last nite . They're long , quick , responsive and play together. The shooting will come if Moe and Kemba dime . The pick n roll has to be incorporated. The roller has to be explosive . Right now this is Hendo who can see over the top and has a second gear and Vonleh . But find it !!!!!
Lance to Biz must happen . A good coach would work w what he has . Reverse the ball until it finds its way to corner threes that are wide open in rhytm for pj , Taylor , Hendo , Marvin and Moe . Force them to be ready which is post unto itself and make them make The shot . Mj forced Kerr to make it .
Readiness comes from being in the crouch , hands out , knees bent already arcing turned and looked at The rim to begin processing sooner than after you get the ball . This corner guy must be freed up w a screen from somewhere timed from the other side this is coaching .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 5, 2015 4:14:50 AM
What is the record now with Biyomba as the starter? They should be more interested in getting Cody and MKG back than Al. This coach is clueless. Al does nothing but mute the other talent they have.
Posted by: Blaine | Apr 5, 2015 8:09:51 AM
Real I was taking a shot at charlottean who thinks the team wins 50 simply by starting Biz every night. The point being Biz started and played starters minutes 2nd half of Pacer game and what happened is they lost by more than they were down at halftime.
Mike, what do you think of that thesis charlottean has about Michael Jordan manipulating the accounting of the organization in order to force out his minority partners? Any thoughts or does your mind focus exclusively on welfare and name calling?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 9:05:28 AM
Big Al =
134 starts w/ 60 wins = 44.8%
64 total double doubles
Per 36 = 21.5pts 10.6rebs
125 starts w/ 34 wins = 27.2%
18 total double doubles
Per 36 = 7.5pts 10.4rebs
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 9:49:22 AM
Name calling....you know things like slurper, midget, boobs, etc. That is some highly intelligent conversation you are involved in.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 5, 2015 10:01:37 AM
Those are terms of endearment, nicknames if you will ;) Don't be so serious man!
So no thoughts on the forcing out of minority parters through accounting manipulation?
I just heard the NBA guy on ESPN talk for 15 minutes about the Eastern Conference playoff race and the Boobs weren't mentioned once.
The Boobs, they never fail to disappoint...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 11:19:40 AM
But Nastars .. You can't look at like you do bc w Al , he has Biz in back up . If Biz had a compliment like Mozguv , his wins would go waaay up .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 5, 2015 12:39:26 PM
But we dont have Mozguv.
I expressed no opinion there...simply listed the numbers/results of each player.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 12:59:40 PM
But we will get one . When Al plays , he has Biz . When Biz plays ,he has no one .
We need a real shooting coach . The errors are the same each game . It's a joke .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 5, 2015 2:09:04 PM
We will get one what? And whatever it is who is gonna get it for us?
Yeah that shooting is pretty important. Saw something today I think that said Boobs are worst shooting team in the entire NBA -- how did this happen? How did the Boobs end up to be worst shooting team in NBA? Who is reaponsible for this?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 5:27:54 PM
Michael Jordan is ultimately responsible. Who the hell doesnt know that. Does that change anything? Who the F cares? It's an effing basketball team. You Really need a hobby. At least Iron Man offers some sort of take on strategy. Yes. We know you think the team needs a new owner. People come on here to talk hoops and you just want to troll Jordan on a blog about 10 people see. Sweet!
Posted by: Real | Apr 5, 2015 7:04:09 PM
Real one day you'll come to realize that ol' NASTAR is really looking out for your best interests.
Charlotte wants and deserves a winner and we just can't allow a gaggle of inept buffoons to besmirch the good Hornets basketball name!
We gotta take these buffoons. Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
We're just the guys to do it...LET'S DO IT!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 5, 2015 7:33:51 PM
Nastar doesn't get the difference in rosters between this year and 3 years ago.
This year and last biz is 16-8 as starter. As a 21/22 year old.
11-4 this year vs 22-39.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 5, 2015 8:47:28 PM
OK. Why don't you start posting again after you take over ownership and spare us all the low brow comedy until then. Thanks.
Posted by: Real | Apr 5, 2015 8:57:09 PM
The scary part is that Clifford has got to know the Biz stat that Charlottean notes two posts above and doesn't play him more. It's gonna suck when we lose him to free agency and re-up Al to lower his head into double teams, not kick it back out, and not play defense.
BTW, who the hell is Brett Brown to say anything about anyone's record?
Posted by: the Dude | Apr 5, 2015 9:56:15 PM
Biz can't score, so he is best coming off the bench.
The Hornets need to upgrade the starting center position. Bismack is not the solution as a starting center.
Posted by: BD | Apr 5, 2015 11:03:15 PM
Had no idea Hassan Whiteside had Gastonia/Charlotte ties until I saw snippets of the C.O. article on Hoopshype.
Biz > Jefferson
Whiteside > Jefferson
But starting Hornets center = Jefferson
Posted by: the Dude's in China | Apr 5, 2015 11:12:49 PM
"The scary part is that Clifford has got to know the Biz stat that Charlottean notes two posts above and doesn't play him more."
If true why is it allowed to happen?
"It's gonna suck when we lose him to free agency...".
Huh? Is Biz an unrestricted free agent?
"Had no idea Hassan Whiteside had Gastonia/Charlotte ties until I saw snippets of the C.O. article on Hoopshype."
Cho and his supercomputer were brought on to ferret out valuable talent just like this, weren't they? What happened?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 8:45:16 AM
Cauley-stein may never be more than a backup , but then he could also be the next Anthony Davis. You can't pass that up. Would go for Payton Jr in 2nd round.
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 6, 2015 9:08:52 AM
Hornets will do well in the draft. Mocks have them grabbing another good player.
MKG, Biz, Cody, Kemba, Vonleh, and Kaminsky, Stanely Roberts, Dekker, Booker or Lyles would be a great addition. If Al doesn't opt out, they clear huge money the next year between Al, Gerald and Marvin. One Free agent and here we go.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 6, 2015 10:45:47 AM
We are in desperate need of truly skilled shooting and said player needs to be can't miss on the personal integrity front (no more Punch Drunk's)...
...Mike who is the player that best meets these requirements and might also be available when the Boobs pick on draft night?
Cauley-Stein ain't it.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 11:17:05 AM
Already provided my list.
Give us your player. That way I can focus my scouting efforts.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 6, 2015 12:05:01 PM
Mike, what number pick do we have? 15? You expect all those players to be available at 15?
Can you narrow it down to one?
"MKG, Biz, Cody, Kemba, Vonleh, and..."
That your starting 5 for next season?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 12:24:32 PM
it's either russell or mudiay. you trade this pick and next year's and hairston to move up.
towns and okafor will not be available, but these 2 guys will be. sacramento and philly are the likely destinations for these 2, but i get the feeling either would listen. same applies with new york and LA if they are picking 3/4 instead of 1/2.
would not be surprised to see winslow or johnson jump up top 5.
if we aren't moving that far up and making a big splash........hezonja is the guy. there just aren't the top end shooters like a stauskus or mcdermott that fit the bill of a lottery pick this year. 2nd round maybe, but you're better off going the seth curry route.
i keep saying it about seth curry. it's getting old even to me. the guy is shooting 92.6% from the line, 46.7% from 3 this year. this is stupid. you are telling me he isn't worthy of the 15th roster spot? the guy that dominated college ball on a bad ankle and has dominated the d-league for 2 straight years?
worst scenario: we're picking ~9th, mudaiy, russell and hezonja are all off the board, al opts in, hendo opts out, clifford gets an extension, lance gets bought out or stretch provisioned.......he and biz sign in indiana, and they try and low-ball mkg in extension negotiations.
that's about how i see the summer playing out.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 6, 2015 2:14:55 PM
"i keep saying it about seth curry. it's getting old even to me. the guy is shooting 92.6% from the line, 46.7% from 3 this year. this is stupid. you are telling me he isn't worthy of the 15th roster spot?"
Whatever number roster spot ol' Punch Drunk is occupying sure sounds like Seth is more worthy of it -- good idea.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 2:31:52 PM
i am 100% positive seth curry could run point more effectively than kemba. 100% positive we would win more games. 100% positive that while he isn't the mvp candidate his brother is.....he's absolutely 80% of him. 80% of elite for 8% of the cost........seems like one of those no brainer moves.
especially when it placates the fans who just want to see it happen for the cool factor if seeing curry 30 jerseys on the shelves again.
it was dumb not to draft him. it was dumb not to sign him when he went undrafted. it's getting down right ignorant not to sign the guy who can shoot that well when we shoot this bad.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 6, 2015 2:38:46 PM
That is the order I would take them in based on availability. One or more will be there. That is not my starting 5. Gerald will start. If not, will have to get a 2. Would be perfectly content playing 1 entire season with Kemba, Gerald, MKG, Cody and Biz as starters.
Give us your player.....
Posted by: Mike | Apr 6, 2015 3:22:20 PM
Mike, where does Stanley Roberts play?
If we draft Kaminsky do you think he should be allowed to come in and compete for a starting position and possibly displace a slurper favorite?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 3:38:44 PM
"it was dumb not to draft him. it was dumb not to sign him when he went undrafted. it's getting down right ignorant not to sign the guy who can shoot that well when we shoot this bad."
I guess Cho's supercomputer doesn't account for guys "shooting 92.6% from the line (and) 46.7% from 3...".
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 3:41:33 PM
stanley roberts is a late first rounder at best. probably around 23rd assuming orlando has that pick.
just because he's a localish guy, doesn't mean we need to draft him. he's a little old for this draft class, too.
we need someone to be the playmaker that kemba will never be.
as for kaminsky.....i don't see how he would fit. he's a less athletic better shooting version of zeller on this team. who is he supplanting besides vonleh? he's going to have the same troubles biz and cody have with playing time and touches. we honestly need less guys to create more playing time for the actual talent.
hate on biz all you want. the results are not lying. we score more efficiently without al and we defend WAY better. it's 2 years running of lineup stats that support the claim. 16-8 vs. 60-74. time to let these young guys off the leash. we have not seen what mkg/cody/biz looks like for 35mpg. not a single game. we've only seen biz and mkg play that many minutes in the same game twice.
and yes, we won both games.
we don't even need our pick. If it weren't going to be a top 12 pick, I would consider trading it for a future 1st. even if it is, depending on who is there I would consider doing it. we don't need more guys, we need to get more out of the guys we have. we only need 8-9 guys playing significant minutes.
walker/biz/cody/mkg/lance/vonleh + a backup pg (curry) and a backup big (jefferson) + a D&3 guy (henderson?taylor? or an upgrade).
we need a coach and a gm who get it. i would give up 3 first rounders for that much. thibbs?
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 6, 2015 4:07:55 PM
OK NASTAR. I knew you could not provide an answer. Tried to apply some common courtesy. Nothing more than an Internet troll. Persistent with more time than most, but still a troll. It is so sad that you actually enjoy it enough to keep going. I actually feel bad for you.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 6, 2015 4:21:35 PM
There you go with the name calling again... Thanks for your concern.
You think BoobCo has already made up their mind on who to draft?
clttn...agree again, a clean sweep is needed. Won't do any good to simply change coaches (new guy would be 7th to work under His Minimumness) at this point. Yes Co & Cho need to go...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 4:53:21 PM
No more name calling. You deserve pity. That's all.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 6, 2015 5:13:42 PM
Why thank you Mike...I always knew you had a good heart. Kinda angry but nice underneath it all. Hope you have a nice week.
Oh, back to BoobCo, do you think they've already made their mind up on who to pick?
clttn says your top pick Kaminsky doesn't fit here, thoughts?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 5:20:07 PM
Nastar , what a loser. Ridicules our team. Bizfumble. Punch Drunk. Air Minimum. The Boobs. Was probably the kid who was always bullied , now finds power behind his little keyboard. Master Nastar , the keyboard conquistador. What a joke he is , a sick little puppy. Would love to scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.
Posted by: Shane | Apr 6, 2015 6:21:58 PM
If I didn't know better I'd say Shane is trying to hurt my feelings....
Shane what's needed to floatt this capsized ship?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 9:24:29 PM
I have zero doubt if Kaminsky joins the Boobs he WILL start over a slurper fav as a rookie, he's a lock for it. This kid is seriously skilled.
Good call Mike.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 6, 2015 10:47:52 PM
"I have zero doubt if Kaminsky joins the Boobs he WILL start.".
A rookie will start with Clifford as coach?
If Al opts in as long as he can breathe , he starts. You think Clifford starts a rookie over his fave?
Posted by: Shane | Apr 7, 2015 6:31:31 AM
Nastar , you have been big als #1 slurper all year. Now you think frank would start if drafted?
What does this say of your confidence in al going into next year? Off the al bandwagon already?
Now THAT is what I call a true slurper.
Posted by: Shane | Apr 7, 2015 6:52:52 AM
NASTAR. You are welcome. I don't pity very many people. Anyone that spends this much time trolling and has this much disdain for anything in life really deserves it.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 7, 2015 7:22:40 AM
Shane, I said a slurper fav, I did not say Big Al. Now he may start alongside Big Al....think about it.
Thanks again Mike, nice to know you care. As for Kaminsky, wouldn't it be great to draft a player who can actually catch, dribble, AND shoot (not to mention really understands how to 'play' basketball)?!? Man that's an exciting prospect!!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 8:31:43 AM
You guys are sensitive.
Kaminsky isnt starting over zeller. That is laughable. Zeller did what kaminsky did as a senior, as a sophomore.
You think frank is tearing up the combine?
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 10:05:28 AM
You are welcome. It is too bad there are people like you out there. But they are important. Without the a holes you would not know who the good people are. Thanks for being an a hole and helping out humanity. You actually do have an important role.
Posted by: Mike | Apr 7, 2015 10:30:00 AM
There you go with the name calling again...thought you'd turned over a new leaf, but no...
clttn, didn't realize Zeller was Naismith POY? Don't think he was even the top guy on his team that year in this regard...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 11:04:49 AM
so was hansbrough. so was jimmer.
don't get me wrong, i'm a big fan of frank. he'd be an asset on the right team. but he doesn't fit here. we have a ton of athletes to get up and down the floor, move the ball and play ridiculous defense.
he fits way more with a team like portland the way they play with aldridge. chicago would be ideal for the guy. what gasol is doing now is akin to what kaminsky could do.
zeller would have been a senior (like kaminsky) this year. think about that. it's like when everyone was raving about alex len....imagine what biz would have done against those small acc front lines given that len had 2 years there while biz was in the nba for 2 years.
kaminsky can play. zeller can play. i honestly think they are comparable talents overall but zeller is the far superior athlete and defender and that's what fits best with this team's identity (assuming they actually buy into what has worked vs what hasn't).
let zeller play with a real point guard and without al and you will be asking why he wasn't drafted higher.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 11:30:33 AM
The conversation is about Frank & Cody, not Jimmer and Tyler.
You said: "Zeller did what kaminsky did as a senior, as a sophomore."
Just for starters in his senior year Frank was:
National college player of the year
Consensus first-team All-American
Big Ten Player of the Year
First-team All-Big Ten
Big Ten Tournament MVP
Leader of Badger team that made Championship game Sr. Year and Final 4 in Jr. Year.
As for Cody as a Soph the ONLY thing he matched
First-team All-Big Ten
That's it. And his teams never made it past the round of 16 in the NCAA tourney.
Biz and Cody should have both gone to college for 4 years, would have been much better prepared for the rigors of the NBA.
As opposed to all the "projects" BoobCo seem to have a Pavlovian hard on for Mr. Kaminsky is the complete package, and a grown man -- I have no doubt his NBA career will be far superior both Biz and Cody once the cards are flipped.
And if there's one thing this team needs in spades it is skilled ball-handling and great shooting.
Kaminsky took over 100 3's as a Sr. And hit over 40%.
Guess how many Cody took his whole career at Indy? Two. Yeah, 2. Made zero. Yeah, z-e-r-o.
Take those slurper glasses off man...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 12:24:40 PM
zeller was 2nd team all american as a sophomore.
kaminsky averaged 4 ppg as a sophomore. zeller averaged 16.5 ppg and 8. compared to kaminsky's 18.8 and 8 as a senior. are you honestly saying that the guy that put up 15.6 and 6.5 as a freshmen couldn't put up 18.8 and 8 as a senior? and he wouldn't have gotten that first team all american after the 2nd team?
cody was the go-to player on a team that won 29 games and 27 games the year before. the team went 12-20 the year before that.
it is DUMB to make the argument that kaminsky is somehow superior as a player because he stayed for 4 years to beat up on 19 year olds.
biz also didn't have the option of college athletics. great argument there. both guys are stud 22 year old big men who are better than their 30 year old counterparts already. both could have dominated college ball this year the same way kaminsky did had they been in his shoes (kaminsky is a whopping 6 months younger).
for a guy the same age do you want the one that already has the nba figured out after the growing pains or the one who hasn't seen any competition like a dwight howard or lamarcus aldridge?
not to mention athletes win out in the nba. kaminsky is no slouch but biz and cody are cream of the crop athletes.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 1:11:11 PM
You said: "Zeller did what kaminsky did as a senior, as a sophomore."
Then you said: "zeller was 2nd team all american as a sophomore."
Frank was consensus 1st team as a Sr., so your statement is false.
Then you said: "are you honestly saying that the guy that put up 15.6 and 6.5 as a freshmen couldn't put up 18.8 and 8 as a senior?"
That's irrelevant to your 1st statement.
In fact, the truth is as a soph Cody did nowhere near what Frank did as a senior.
"biz also didn't have the option of college athletics."
"but biz and cody are cream of the crop athletes."
Of these 3 who is the worst athlete: Biz, Cody, Dirk?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 1:32:36 PM
You are assuming the criteria to "did" meaning awards.
Zeller was consensus as well, just points shy of first team.
You love comparing 22 year olds to 18 year olds and saying how much better the 22 year old is.
Are you saying cody Zeller will not have a successful NBA career?
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 1:47:08 PM
Kaminsky is nowhere near the athlete dirk was. Dirk wasn't cody, but he was close.
Biz played pro ball before age 18....ineligible.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 4:19:11 PM
"You love comparing 22 year olds to 18 year olds and saying how much better the 22 year old is."
You said: "Zeller did what kaminsky did as a senior, as a sophomore."
You made the comparison, not me. I simply showed you that your statement is categorically false.
Kaminsky is actually 6 months younger than Cody so Cody was 20 for basically all of his S oph season and Frank was 21 for all of his Sr season (turned 22 day of KY game, Saturday).
Cody is a nice kid and all and will prob play in the league for a decade but if he's ever an All-Star I will be surprised (no chance Biz ever makes one). So the year Frank was 20 he led his team to Final 4 (beating #1 AZ in the process), the year Cody was 20 they lost round of 16.
Frank is much more skilled and I can see him having a 5-6 year run making the All-Star team every year. (note: if Boobs draft him all bets are off on that)
To answer a previous question, I absolutely place a higher value on guys like Frank & Cody staying in school, developing skills, maturing mentally & physically, learning to win and playing on big stages.
Frank helped himself...Cody hurt himself and will never catch up.
Plug Frank in next to Al (in place of Cody) and the Boobs immediately improve, no douubt about it.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 5:24:50 PM
1 - i didn't make the comparison.
2- i already mentioned kaminsky was 6 months younger
3 - i didn't say anything about awards. i said he did. he won, he was the best player at a big program, he scored, rebounded, dominated the college game. as a sophomore.
i like kaminsky a lot, but you are inflating him like you did clifford. plenty of guys have done what he just did and not had any success at the pro level or had very limited success at the pro level. what makes him different?
you compared him to dirk, not me.
is kaminsky helping you on defense or is he a one way player like al?
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 6:20:14 PM
"he was the best player at a big program"
That's odd because Oladipo was consensus 1st Team All-American the same year Cody was 2nd Team.
When did they start putting the better player on 2nd team and the lesser player on 1st team?
Oh, and Oladipo went higher in the NBA draft too.
Another false statement...what a surprise.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 6:45:27 PM
And zeller was the leading pre season player of the year, oladipo Not named. What does any of it have to do with anything?
Lillard was 3rd team all american. Mkg, too. They both got drafted above 1st teamers.
You called kaminsky dirk. Remember that. I once called a kid who tore up the tourney the next iverson. huge mistake.
Name that player.
(kaminsky will not be better than zeller mark my words)
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 7, 2015 8:11:50 PM
"You called kaminsky dirk."
You seem to think "cream of the crop athleticism" is the be-all end-all...just illustrating that's not the case because I know you think Cody and The Fumbler are better athletes than Dirk -- together they won't accomplish 1/10th of what Dirk has.
Kaminsky will lap Zeller, write it down.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 7, 2015 9:20:17 PM
U idiots bitching over what????
NBA just moved closer too what they want and everyone... Including DONAGHEY!. Is ok?
Wow only ones surprised r the idiits that think refss are need improving not full of sht!!!!
Some people including an idiots who posts here most obviously wants too b apart of this dysfunctional association!
Thought when Silver took over maybe a softening of the big market horse shit but......l..... Fuk NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,,,
Oh and 3rd quarter, 21+ fouls and Hornets what's, 6,7 or8 at most, FUK U AND YOUR BAD REFEREEING LOGIC, YOU FUKING IDIOT!!!
Posted by: Dshtg!! | Apr 8, 2015 12:05:21 AM
Dragic abused kemba. Switch dragic to hornets and kemba to heat and hornets would have blown their asses off the court. Dragic has player option , someone should convince him this team could be his. Could have gotten Lin AND foye for less than they will give kemba. Time to admit the mistake and take action to correct it.
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 8, 2015 12:27:13 AM
when Kemba and Moe pkay together , the numbers are bad . Much better when they play apart . Check it .
Why clifford held Hendo out is baffling . Why Kemba started jacking instead of diming is pathetic . Moe too . They can't find an assist they like . Kemba gets ripped by each point gd in the East that's in the playoffs . They're all bigger , taller , better , better facilitators , better defenders , can run the pick n roll respect the game more and teamates more : Wall . Rose . Dragic . Teague . Lowry . Kyrie .
He's our point gd of The future . Lol. He should be the point gd of the past . The guy makes zero teamates better and is NOT a floor general .
He's last in starting pt gds in getting temamtes layups . 92 nd in true shooting percentage w guards . HE CANT SHOOT IN THE 40's to save his life !!!!!!!!Last in assists at The rim as a starting pt gd . Can't throw a lob to Biz to activate him . He's total garbage and a 48 m dollar bust at running point . This is job two . Job one is get rid of Al .
Last nite was a typical game : few assists , bad high volume shooting . They trap him and he becomes frightened bc he's a midget . Spo knows exactly how to contain him . Dragic got inside at will on him making layups , diming or worse getting hockey assists . Biz tried to help him but ambushed.
How many times did he bullrush the basket , miss and they run out ? He gets his shot blocked more than any point gd in the league .
If you can get an super top elite sg , trade Hendo . Outside of that , he's your guy who's been the most consistent player this yr . He needs to run the offense more to get dimes for teamates . When he gets the ball in rythm , he's become a very good shooter . His stroke is fluid and completely changed . He's a top 5 defender . Wo Al hogging the ball , he's easily a top ten sg Scoerer . All those feeds to Al are shots now . Just like under DUNLAP .
Biz had his record ruined by Kemba as the starting center . Lance should have stepped up last nite . If you do not go for ball fakes , his game is average unless they run . Cliff doesn't know how to control run .
I could settle this Frank stuff in a heartbeat .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 8, 2015 7:07:33 AM
We should all that want Kemba to go , wear bags over our heads until he's traded at games . Mj can't think he's going to get away w forcing
Kemba on us . Midget point gds win the ncaa every yr and do nothing in the pros . Look at this yr . Last yr and w Kemba who's fools gold at best .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 8, 2015 7:12:04 AM
" Time to admit the mistake and take action to correct it."
Danny c BoobCo is contractually obligated to The Short One for the next 4 years -- steel yourself.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 8:19:02 AM
No one said he didn't have a contract. There are options : trade , benching , or if he was so team-oriented , restructuring.
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 8, 2015 8:49:23 AM
Danny c.....come on man let's not kid ourselves here, none of that is going to happen.
You know, your post does raise an interesting thought...if we assigned a letter grade to each of the following what would it be?
1. Big Al and his contract.
2. The new contract Shorty was given.
3. The Looney Lance Experiment.
4. The signing of Coach Clifford.
Given the size of the respective contracts and the grave importance of the head coaching position, those are unarguably the 4 most important moves made in the last 2 years (the sweet spot for execution of The Plan).
So how do we grade those moves?
1. F....the unmitigated and unabating vitriol hurled Big Al's way on a daily basis leaves us no other choice.
2. F...the stench surrounding this contract would gag a maggot.
3. F...this deal clearly represents the biggest offseason punchbowl turd in all of the NBA last year.
4. F...if the entire Slurper Universe says Coach Cliff sucks, then he must suck.
So The Midgets are batting 0.000 on the key moves during the sweet spot of execution of The Plan...
...how are we supposed to compete with teams run by smart guys like Danny Ainge?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 9:24:10 AM
You bashed Shorty all last year , so you obliviously agree he's not the answer. What would you do with him ? Trade him , bench him? Honest answer , one that doesn't end with a ?
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 8, 2015 9:46:12 AM
Yes Danny I agree.
Can't trade him, nobody is going to take that contract. Can't amnesty him because rhe exception has already been used.
Only leaves one option....an off the bench sparkplug role.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 9:51:02 AM
Who was the driving force behind the extension , mj , cho , Clifford?
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 8, 2015 10:10:57 AM
Nastars .. Lmfao .. You laid this out . I love it . Let's see how Sandy digs out of this hole ..
Posted by: ironman | Apr 8, 2015 10:24:23 AM
Danny c....not Coach Cliff, that sort of thing isn't within his purview. Air Minny clearly approved it (Cho has no autonomy) but whether it was his idea or something Cho convinced him of is uncertain. My gut tells me it was Minny's idea.
ironman, no matter the industry bad management always gets exposed....it's only a matter of when.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 10:41:53 AM
Bad management does get exposed. Sad thing is it was even worse during the Bob Johnson era. That was quite a feat!
Posted by: Steve | Apr 8, 2015 11:11:45 AM
"Bad management does get exposed. Sad thing is it was even worse during the Bob Johnson era."
Taking the concept of "popularity" out of the equation I'm not sure it was (worse in the Johnson Era). The management functions (dysfunction in this case) look equally as bad now.
How would you quantify your statement?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 11:43:10 AM
It was way worse before cho. As bad as giving kemba 48 million is, hes not gana diop.
When we trade lance for more expensive dead weight, cho will be looking more like rod higgins (see dampier trade).
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 8, 2015 12:55:16 PM
Cho is a non-factor, has always been a non-factor, and never will be a factor, period.
The team had a higher winning % (or should I say lower losing %? this franchise has never "won") when Johnson owned it vs. Air Minny.
Interestingly, the years Johnson owned it and Minny ran it were the best run this (joke of a) franchise has had.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 1:20:50 PM
The business is definitely run better and there is more young talent on the roster. They actually have their draft picks for a change. Don't like some of the player moves, but the team is in better shape. Al is off the books next year and so is Hendo and Marvin. They can at least take another whack at it. There was nothing redeemable about what Bob was doing with the team, business or in the community.
Posted by: Steve | Apr 8, 2015 6:19:32 PM
How dare you say the Hornets are better at anything! Even over Bob Johnson. NASTAR won't allow it!
What do you mean he brought the Hornets name back? that doesn't count. You take that back right now mr!
Posted by: Blaine | Apr 8, 2015 6:36:26 PM
Blaine...I assume your in favor of hanging a "Brought the Hornets Name Back" banner? LOL.
The bottom line is Cho's presence, and MJ's ownership, have done exactly zero to improve the real bottom line -- wins. (or lack thereof in case of Boobs).
While I truly believe bringing Hornets name back was a complete no brainer (Minny too stupid to realize it, had to bring in a "national polling company" to tell him was the best course of action) the patina of said name change will quickly wear off without improved on court performance.
Slurpers, don't forget that this city turned its back on "the Hornets" once before, name meant nothing.
The ultimate judge of management is wins/losses and the Boobs under Minny are actually worse than when BobJob was the owner -- thats really saying something.
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 7:53:56 PM
Yes the City turned its back on the Hornets. Do you remember the circumstances? Typical troll speak. Say anything to inflame no matter how ignorant, wrong or misplaced it is.
Just as I predicted.
Take it all back Steve. Don't you dare try to say anything remotely positive. That is not possible. The Troll won't have it! He will sit on Rick Bonnell's blog and let all 5 people who read know that it is not possible!
Posted by: Blaine | Apr 8, 2015 8:01:28 PM
What did you predict? Fill me in...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 9:03:12 PM
Looks like the Naismith winner is outplaying our "project" tonight...
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 9:06:30 PM
just lost 2 in a row with half the roster down and now nothing to play for and still it's.......
11-6 with biz as the starter. vs. 22-39 with al as the starter. we could lose out and there's still a start difference and that would be ignoring the fact that al played with a full deck for plenty of those games and biz is down cody and mkg (the best players on the roster).
how big does the sample need to be sandy? if he loses the next 10 starts, he'd be roughly the same as al with quite the sample size over the last ~2 years. the guy can play. he's a point guard away from being amare (hyperbole, i know....but a poor man's version he can be - but with the defense).
hairston and kemba continue to impress with their "scoring" ability. we really need a coach who is going to explain to kemba what good offense looks like.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 8, 2015 10:33:25 PM
Big Al =
134 starts w/ 60 wins = 44.8%
64 total double doubles
Per 36 = 21.5pts 10.6rebs
126 starts w/ 34 wins = 27.1%
18 total double doubles
Per 36 = 7.5pts 10.4rebs
Fumblerooski got outplayed tonight by a Naismith Award Winner who purportedly isn't any good....
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 10:51:23 PM
Nowitzki just hit a 3 in crunch time...
...have any of our "elite athletes" ever even taken one?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 8, 2015 11:59:42 PM
Every hornet stunk tonight except Roberts. No fast break pts. , 18 pts in the paint. Im convinced now they need upgrading at every position. Kemba should be traded or come off the bench. Will never happen but it would be for the best. Hendo and Cody are solid at times but inconsistent. Maybe 2nd team for them too. Biz should start but a two way backup to split time is a must. MKG is a demon on defense but I wonder if his aggressive play will translate to many injuries. This team is in a bad state , no quick fix to be had. Maybe nastar has been right all along.
Posted by: Danny c | Apr 9, 2015 12:03:46 AM
Last three games which desparately needed a floor general ,Kemba weighs in w three assists a game . On the second nite of a back to back , you must have assists at The rim over anything . That's easy buckets for tired legs to stay in games . This guy is pure garbage . No d . Horrific shooting . And totally absent w getting easy buckets for teamates . We can forgive his piss poor shooting in a back to back but not his diming . All the other players will be inconsistent exactly bc of this which evens things out .
This too is on Cliff . How many pick n rolls ? Pick n pops ? Rollers hitting cutters ? Pass , pass , pass , then dribble drive and kick ? Lol. Every team kills us w such simple offense set up by the floor general . But ours gets taken out of games by traps and we run zero outside of one screen and a shot . Or bc he's too busy getting his obligatory 17 shots to average 18 .
Swap him out w Dragic and we shine . The inconsistency of others is fixed w easy buckets , uptempo , assists at The rim and paint , lobs etc . The runt is last in layups for teammates . It's nites like this that he really gets exposed . His failures impact every man on the team . A 48 m pile of mess . This is the same post that could have been written 4 yrs ago and after damn near every loss in The last 4 yrs . We have three more yrs of this . 7 wasted yrs bc Cho and Mj didn't / don't know you can't win w an inefficient sg running point . Who can play bc of his being a runt , below league average d .
Cut bait . Save the team . Tell me who has two more pathetic stars in Al n Kemba ? Who ? Who dares even play ball this selfishly ? The others play team ball . They can't,won't n don't . We can't take another yr of this .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 9, 2015 3:23:09 AM
Not happy with the team this season. However it is amazing that no one on here acknowledges the injuries. And the worst kind. Someone comes back someone goes out. Almost always different guys. Tough to get a rythm.
I am not a Clifford fan because I beleive even with the injuries he cost them about 10 games with poor coaching. That would of put them in the playoffs.
Because of the Al contract they are in a difficult place for next year. Get a new coach, play the young guys and ride it out for a year unless you can make a drastic trade that will make over the roster.
Posted by: Real | Apr 9, 2015 7:04:33 AM
Injuries had zero to do w a coach that enforces , encourages or does nothing when Al puts his head into a defender , gets space and forces a miss on two defenders while a TEAMATE is wide open at The rim .
Injuries have zero to do w allowing Kemba to shoot 5 for 18 damn near each game , shooting us out of a game , bullrushing the rim w two defenders on him . Or watching and changing nothing to avoid Kemba from being dead last in getting layups for teamates .
Zero to do w finding partners after two yrs to run the pick n roll and all its variations . Or to just once a game , force Kemba to throw a lob to a big like Biz who deserves the lob instead of trying to preserve his precious assist to turnover ratio .
Zero to do w watching Al do waistbends while allowing a layup line down the middle of each game he started .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 9, 2015 7:53:53 AM
Nastars .. When biz starterd tor the yr , Tgey were tanking . You can't count that . He was stocked w pkayers like Mullens , Diop and
Tyrus . Doesn't count . Al had a stacked team including
Biz . Biz never had Al in most of those starts .
You kill it w the grades got the Fo .
Posted by: ironman | Apr 9, 2015 7:58:23 AM
Is it time to tank and rebuild again?
No invective has come my way on the 4-item report card above...is everyone in agreement on the grading?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 9, 2015 8:11:14 AM
Everyone? How many legitimate people actually comment here? No one answers you outside of a couple of posters because you are a troll. That is not an insult. You are the definition of the word. Look at your trail of posts. Anyone outside of a troll would be embarrassed. Unlike others, I do not pity you. You obviously enjoy it. The only thing you have done well is stop this from being a place where Hornets fans can converse about the team. Job well done! you have finally succeeded at something.
...now for your next troll like comment or a lame attempt at prentending you are not a troll only to quickly revert back....and action...
Posted by: Real | Apr 9, 2015 8:51:47 AM
how about posting al's career w/l %. it's a beauty.
no need to tank next year. you can build around mkg/cody/biz/vonleh/incoming draft pick (which is somewhere between 1-3 or 9-12 assuming no significant change in the last 4 games. throw lance in that group. the guy can play if he's given the chance and put with the right guys. we aren't going to win with kemba chucking away. any coach with a brain can recognize that our offense is inefficient BECAUSE of kemba. he's the guy pulling the strings. he and al have touched the ball and taking all of the shots. in the games they have been out, cody, mkg, gerald, etc all stepped up and scored more efficiently. and have done so in smaller volume the rest of the time. it's about allocating your possessions to what works instead of what doesn't. it's about scheming toward strengths.
kemba's strength is not shooting. he's a solid catch and shoot wide open guy. not elite. not great. solid. acceptable. but off the dribble? creating his own shot? dude is downright terrible. dude is on the verge of dropping below that 39% line he lives on.
we desperately need a coach who will coach guys toward easy buckets as opposed to difficult ones. the easy ones are there. how hard was it for biz to score 6 points in the first few minutes of the game? and then how hard was it to go back to him the rest of the game? it's bizarre. drummond, chandler, jordan, howard, etc....live off these easy dunks. they are highly effective uses of possessions.
and the killer ish is.....biz has his free throw shooting up to 58.4% on the season. hitting the 2 last night after getting whacked in the arm was downright impressive.
you could easily feed the post to him the same way you do al and make him a 15 ppg guy at the line. 58% on free throws = 1.16 PPP when he's fouled. that's solidly above the league average. couple that with his ability to finish at the rim and you have a recipe that leads to 2 points 60-70% of the time if we have a point guard that knew how to play.
kemba just doesn't know how to play. it's never been more glaringly obvious than this season. he is an incredible waste of talent because he never learned how to play the game. lowest basketball iq on the team. no debate.
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 9, 2015 8:54:06 AM
The truth stings doesn't Real? Stings like a, well....
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 9, 2015 11:15:31 AM
There is the lame attempt. Trolls are so predictable.
Take 2. "NASTAR the Troll"....and action!....
Posted by: Real | Apr 9, 2015 11:21:09 AM
how about al's career winning %?
Posted by: charlottean | Apr 9, 2015 11:47:37 AM
NASTAR is not a troll. He just posts something negative after every comment on the Hornets. Uh wait...I mean...Oh never mind....
Posted by: Blaine | Apr 9, 2015 6:05:29 PM
You slurpers are laughable...equating the truth with "negativity".
Is the prospect of sucking f-o-r-e-v-e-r OK with the Slurper Nation? Is that what you all signed up for?
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 9, 2015 8:19:23 PM
"how about al's career winning %?"
No idea, what is it?
Just for reference...as a franchise the Boobs have lost 62.6% of all games since the franchise fired up the grill.
Is Big Al worse than that? No way?!?!?!
Posted by: NASTAR99 | Apr 9, 2015 8:29:46 PM
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