June 19, 2007
Minter, Rucker offer revealing snapshot of offensive woes
Just came from the Charlotte Touchdown Club luncheon where safety Mike Minter and defensive end Mike Rucker were the guest speakers. As always, the two veteran players were entertaining.
But, today, they were especially enlightening. While praising the scheme of new offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson, Minter and Rucker never mentioned the name of previous coordinator Dan Henning. But they did reveal something amazing about Henning’s offense that might explain a lot about last year’s struggles.
Minter and Rucker said that, in practices under Henning, the offense almost always snapped the ball on "One.’’ They said that allowed defensive players to get a jump by anticipating the count.
In the NFL, teams generally do the same things in games that they do in practice, so it’s not much of a stretch to assume that opposing defenses were able to figure that out last season.
Minter said it became obvious in the recently concluded June workouts that Davidson’s offense will use a lot more variety in snap counts. Minter and Rucker also said Davidson’s offense has plenty of other new twists that will give opposing defenses problems.
You can read the whole story, with comments from Rucker and Minter, in tomorrow’s Observer and on charlotte.com.
Posted by Observer Sports on June 19, 2007 at 02:44 PM | Permalink
varying the snap count??? sounds like more a credit than a shortcoming to henning if changing the snap count in practice is what our d notices different.
ps i never thought henning should have been fired. big mistake, imo...not that the new guy isnt capable but i dont think we realized how good henning really was. imo.
Posted by: GameTime | Jun 19, 2007 3:36:24 PM
This guy really wrote a column about varying snap counts.....Wow he must be a little short on real news :(
Posted by: Jason | Jun 19, 2007 3:39:24 PM
The QB should be calling snap counts anyway, not the offensive coordinator. I know Jake isn't Peyton Manning, but he ought to have *some* control over what happens at the line of scrimmage!
Posted by: T. | Jun 19, 2007 3:49:52 PM
we all know henning got the raw deal. great point T and you would think the HEAD COACH might do something about this too??? right???
Posted by: pantherfan1111 | Jun 19, 2007 4:35:39 PM
What are ya'll talkin about? Are you being sarcastic? Did I read a different article or something. he said they snap one one every time in practice. Did not vary the snap count.
Posted by: jyd | Jun 19, 2007 4:49:23 PM
And all of these comments are why none of you are playing pro football or in the front office of a pro football team. You people are pathetic. Dan Henning was horrible in play calling and seemed to have no clue to what he was doing. He forced his schemes on players that didn't fit in his scheme, hence the 8-8 season. This year WILL be different and exciting
Posted by: Greg | Jun 19, 2007 4:54:01 PM
Dudes, read the article until you understand it before you comment. Some of you, I suspect the young and stupid, sound like frickin morons. Pat made a simple -- and interesting -- comment. It was excellent, too, in the mind of a CATS fan. If you're a CAT hater, BUGGER OFF! If you can't grasp simple concepts -- I say again, BUGGER OFF!
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 5:15:19 PM
Well, the interesting question is whether it slipped Rucker's and Minter's minds to mention this to Fox or even to the D Coordinator to raise with Henning last year.
If it did slip their minds, that's pathetic.
If they managed to remember to make the comment, then either the Panthers changed in games, or they didn't. If they didn't change, then that's even more pathetic.
Posted by: brd | Jun 19, 2007 5:21:35 PM
Seriously, anyone who thinks Henning got a raw deal after last season (and the past three seasons) didn't watch very many of the games we played in. This team needed new blood in the offensive scheme and maybe Davidson is the answer, maybe not, but it is refreshing to hear that "Foster run it up the seam" and "draw play" aren't the foundation of the offense this year.
I suspect the snap count is only the beginning of the changes we will see, and certainly not the biggest change.
Posted by: manu4t | Jun 19, 2007 5:58:58 PM
Well Greg, since you seem to be so f'n smart, how many games did the Browns win last year under Davidson's brilliant offensive scheme? 3? Maybe 4? And quit with the old tired "well this is why none of you play football" garbage. Because I'm sure you spent 10 years in the NFL and are up for election to the Hall any time now. Idiot. Think before you come on here bashing people's opinions that are for the most part better than yours.
Posted by: Ted | Jun 19, 2007 6:01:30 PM
Good point by brd. You mean to tell me that no defensive player stepped up in practice last year and suggested to Fox and Henning that maybe they should vary the snap count? YaSTINKas you are an idiot if you think that. Don't try to read into something that's not there, and stop trying to make yourself sound like you are so cool because you went to some luncheon. Go back to ripping off Steve Reed's articles. You suck.
Posted by: TL | Jun 19, 2007 6:05:12 PM
Gawd -- shut up idiots! Like players can tell the coaches how to call plays! You are SO DAMN DUMB!!
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 6:19:15 PM
The point of this article is misinformed and rather weak. The snap count wouldn't have mattered if we had the steriod o line from super bowl year. The snap count was no different then or the year we went to the NFC championship. O LINE O LINE O LINE!!
Posted by: DUH | Jun 19, 2007 6:20:38 PM
I feel bad for Pat and pissed that I get paid to do real work unlike our fantastic observer writers....=(
Posted by: MoronPat | Jun 19, 2007 6:22:28 PM
DUH - Repost a comment when you come down from the acid trip, dude.
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 6:26:23 PM
I know the guy who posted as MoronPat. He slattered a goat at Captain's Galley. He told me -- sweared 3 times - that it tastes just like flounder.
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 6:29:07 PM
"Pantherfan111" YOu fall under the
"bitch about the team" peeps. You are not a real fan.
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 6:37:33 PM
The QUARTERBACK controls the snap count. How hard is this to understand?
Posted by: T. | Jun 19, 2007 8:18:36 PM
Mister T. Obviously your huge butt is talking before the upper gray matter can process the data... Neat trick. We didn't see the butt cheeks move.
Posted by: Concord Cat Fan | Jun 19, 2007 8:36:16 PM
Dan Henning was an embarrassment to the Carolina Panthers franchise. It doesn't surprise me at all that he would do something this stupid. We all kno Dan Henning was too stuck in the past, with his 1 yard & a cloud of dust offense & draw plays up the ass.
Posted by: Dan Henning sucks | Jun 19, 2007 11:32:26 PM
Ummm. I read like three words of the above wordy post...Anyway, I'll admit that stories may be few and far between this time of year, other than speculation, but this is a blog, not a column, right? And either way, it isn't really even about snap counts. It's about there actually being genuine interest in the new offense. Everybody needs to chill the hell out.
Posted by: Scratch | Jun 20, 2007 1:16:30 AM
This shows the caliber of beat writers we have in the area. If the panthers had been using the same snap count for the whole Henning era, I would expect the writers, (who have more access during games, practices, and camps than the regular fan,)to pick up on this sort of thing. I feel that if I were on the sidelines of every training camp practice, I could pick up on this. Any credible analyst, who had this much access, would be able to notice a team using the same snap count. But leave it up to the beat writers to only discover this after it was spelled out for them!!!
Posted by: MM | Jun 20, 2007 1:56:39 PM
Sounds like Carolina Panthers NFL Insider is the mental one. Sorry your like sucks so much, get over it. You've been weighed, you've been measured, and you've definitly been found wanting. GET A LIFE!
Posted by: Sniff | Jun 20, 2007 3:23:13 PM
I agree, the beat writers/local media coverage is horrible. It was obvious that the Panther's playcalling was horribly predictable but they wouldn't talk much about it. The "NFL insider" made no sense except stating the obvious.. the self- proclaimed "wealthy elite" have hidden agendas and are involved in corporate & political corruption *yawn*
Posted by: brent704 | Jun 21, 2007 11:26:52 AM
Anyone want to bet that the psycho above is the same one that is famous for his helicopter speech to the city council?
Posted by: deaconphan | Jun 21, 2007 11:41:14 AM
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